On his Friday Fox News show, Tucker Carlson interviewed Nick Loeb, co-producer of Roe v. Wade, a dramatic film which plans to show viewers "what happened from 1966 through 1973" that led to the Supreme Court's decision declaring existing laws against abortion unconstitutional.
Carlson's interview concentrated primarily on obstacles Loeb has faced in funding the film — obstacles which have included overt and covert suppression of his efforts on Facebook. Loeb also revealed that the film will show America "how the media was manipulated" during that critical period.
Carlson noted that the left-dominated press and entertainment industry almost universally lionize Roe v. Wade "as a watermark in the advancement of the human race." Given that reality, he told Loeb that he is "a legitimately brave man."
Transcript (links added by me):
TUCKER CARLSON: Welcome back to a special edition of Tucker Carlson Tonight: Inside the issues.
Hollywood is a liberal place, but not on every single issue. Jon Voight and Nick Loeb are producing a movie that will explore the real history of the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion decision. We talked to Nick Loeb about his movie. Here it is.
CARLSON: I’ve never seen anybody attempt to do anything like this in Hollywood. I just want to make sure that I know that I’m correct about what you’re trying to do. Tell me.
NICK LOEB: Well, we're actually, we're actually trying to make the real untold story of Roe v. Wade in a movie, not a documentary. No different than you saw in Oliver Stone's JFK, and tell the story of what actually happened from 1966 through 1973, through the characters that drove this to the Supreme Court.
CARLSON: So if you try to make a film that doesn’t celebrate that Supreme Court decision as a watermark in the advancement of the human race, I think you are going to run into some trouble, don’t you think?
LOEB: Well Tucker, I’ve already run into some problems. So, you know, we have a lot of difficulty raising the money in Hollywood, so we decided to do a crowdfunder.
We created a crowdfund called roevwademovie.com, and we launched on Facebook to try to raise money, and even Facebook tried to shut us down. And, we talk about essentially the story of the film of what happens, and how the media was manipulated by some of the characters like Dr. Bernard Nathanson and Larry Lader, and Betty Freidan, and how they were lied to about back-alley abortions and how many women were dying. And they made up fake numbers for the media. They had fake news back then to push their agenda.
And a lot of the truth that we talk about in the film, a lot of people don’t want that truth to come out.
CARLSON: Tell us what Facebook did. On what grounds would they try to shut that down, what was their excuse?
LOEB: You know, their excuse, they said we were spamming. So we had to set up a separate crowdfunding site, roevwademovie.com, but then utilized Facebook to promote it. And Facebook is one of the only platforms out there to be able to promote a crowdfunding site.
And they stopped us from sharing. I couldn’t send out our crowdfunding site to my friends or family. People who liked the site couldn’t share it. Dr. (Alveda) King, who came on as executive producer, was also blocked from sharing it.
And so these are the struggles we have had. They've now lifted that block, but now they've created what we call "shadowban," which I'm learning new terms here, where when we post what we want to promote, it doesn’t even show up in the feeds of the people that follow us, or friends, the people we like.
We even bought and paid for advertising and they blocked us from sharing paid advertising. So it’s been a struggle to get people to go to the roevwademovie.com to support the film.
CARLSON: Yeah, you picked the one subject on which no debate is allowed. Really quickly, why did you want to make a movie like this?
LOEB: Well, interestingly enough, Tucker, I was working on a movie about a year-and-a-half ago, and I have my own pro-life fight going on for life.
And the director had read about an article I had written in The New York Times. And he approached me, and said, "Do you want to read this script I’ve written? Roe v. Wade, no one has really made this movie." And he said, "Well, it was a made-for-TV movie in '89, but it doesn't really lay out the truth and the facts."
And he gave this to me and I read it, and I was really shocked. I mean, everyone in America has heard of Roe v. Wade, but no one really knows the true story of what led up to that. And, I then went on to read about 40 different books and the bios of everyone from Norma McCorvey, who was Jane Roe and converted to become pro-life; Sarah Weddington the lawyer; Margaret Sanger, and found a fascinating conspiracy story. I mean, one factor I don't know if you know is that two of the Supreme Court justices in the case had family members working for Planned Parenthood at the time.
CARLSON: No, I didn’t know that. But I’m going to watch this movie and learn more.
And I have to say, given the context here, a Hollywood filmmaker trying to make this movie, you are a legitimately brave man.
LOEB: Thank you, Tucker.
CARLSON: Thank you. We'll be watching.
As Loeb noted, the orchestrated abortion-legalization movement campaign of deception is an historically established yet unfortunately little-known fact.
In the interview, Loeb referred to Dr. Bernard Nathanson, a co-founder of what is today called NARAL, who because passionately pro-life, reportedly after "he had the chance to observe a real-time abortion" less than a year after the Supreme Court's decision.
Nathanson detailed the pro-abortion movement's dishonest strategy during the period Loeb's film will cover. Here are excerpts:
... THE FIRST KEY TACTIC WAS TO CAPTURE THE MEDIA
We persuaded the media that the cause of permissive abortion was a liberal enlightened, sophisticated one.
... We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000 but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000. Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law.
... THE SECOND KEY TACTIC WAS TO PLAY THE CATHOLIC CARD
We systematically vilified the Catholic Church and its "socially backward ideas" and picked on the Catholic hierarchy as the villain in opposing abortion. This theme was played endlessly.
... THE THIRD KEY TACTIC WAS THE DENIGRATION AND SUPPRESSION OF ALL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
... (I now know) It is clear that permissive abortion is purposeful destruction of what is undeniably human life. It is an impermissible act of deadly violence.
The outrageous myths about pre-Roe v. Wade abortions and deaths from abortions persist. Ardent feminists who have acknowledged the facts, e.g., Ellen Goodman, who admitted that by 1972, the number of women dying during abortions were only "at least 39" (!) in a 2004 column, shrug them off and say, "Facts, schmacts."
These postures show why Loeb's film needs to be made, and his efforts to get it made need support.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.