If anyone wants to find out why much of the mainstream media ruins its own credibility by throwing dishonest insults while they think they're al all about "facts," check out the Joe Rogan interview on Wednesday with CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
Rogan pointed out the CNN lie that he took a horse dewormer (Ivermectin) for treatment when he came down with a case of Covid earlier this year. Gupta could not defend CNN on that but merely sheepishly acknowledged the lie but could not go beyond that for obvious job security reasons.
Here is Rogan pressing Gupta on the CNN Ivermectin lie.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA: By the way, I'm glad you're better.
JOE ROGAN: Thank you. You're probably the only one at CNN who's glad … The rest of them are all lying about me taking horse medication.
GUPTA: That bothered you.
ROGAN: It should bother you too. They're lying at your network about people taking human drugs versus drugs for veterinary.
GUPTA: Calling it a ‘horse dewormer’ is not the most flattering thing, I get that.
ROGAN: It's a lie. It's a lie on a news network. And it's a lie that they're conscious of. It's not a mistake. They're unfavorably framing it as veterinary medicine.
Who upset Rogan with this line about his taking and recommending a "horse dewormer"? Well, it started with Anderson Cooper and Brian Stelter on Cooper's September 1 show. Other offenders included CNN contributor Bakari Sellers, and CNN hosts Jim Acosta and Boris Sanchez. Sanchez was the harshest: "celebrities like Joe Rogan have been talking about taking it. You see this tweet. You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, stop it." [See transcripts below.]
Later, after Gupta tried to turn the discussion to the FDA, Rogan came back at Gupta again about the CNN "horse dewormer" lie.
ROGAN: ...But don't you think a lie like that is dangerous on a news network when you know that they know they're lying. You know that they know that I took medicine. Here it is. This is Ivermectin.
GUPTA: The thing is that we're going so fast that I feel like we're, I'm missing...
ROGAN: Do you think that's a problem that your news network lies? Dude?
GUPTA: What did they say?
ROGAN: They lied that I was taking horse dewormer.
Again, when Gupta tried to change the subject, Rogan brought him back to the matter of CNN lying.
ROGAN: ...Does it bother you that the news network you work for out and out lied just outright lied about me taking horse dewormer.
GUPTA: They shouldn't have said that. Why did they do that? I don't know.
ROGAN: You didn't ask? You're the medical guy over there.
GUPTA: I didn't ask. I should have asked before coming on your podcast.
ROGAN: But they did it with such glee.
GUPTA: No, Joe.
ROGAN: They did. I watched.
Later Rogan came to this conclusion about CNN's veracity:
ROGAN: My point is you're working for a news organization. If they're lying about a comedian taking horse medication, what are they telling us about Russia? What are they telling us about Syria? Do you understand that that's why people get concerned about the veracity of the news?
Joe Rogan also challenged Gupta over the necessity of young children taking a COVID vaccine when they're not as vulnerable to infection.
On Thursday's New Day, CNN devoted nine minutes to a different narrative: it sounded like how Dr. Gupta brought Science to the Podcast for Muscleheads. They ran different clips where Gupta was the lecturer. There was nary a whisper about CNN's snotty "horse dewormer" junk:
Berman closed with a gush: "Sanjay, you're a prince. I don't know where you get your patience. I really don't. Remarkable display of calm and patience there. Thank you so much for that."
For a look at the repeated CNN "horse dewormer mockery" of Rogan, click "Expand":
Anderson Cooper 360
September 1, 2021
COOPER: Up next, there's a breaking news, Joe Rogan, a popular comedian and podcaster who's told his listeners the COVID vaccine is not necessarily for young people just disclose he has COVID. He also acknowledged taking controversial treatment designed for animals. That's coming up....[commercial break]
BRIAN STELTER: ....But when you have a horse deworming medication that's discouraged by the government that actually causes some people in this crazy environment we're in to actually want to try it. That's the upside down where we're in with figures like Joe Rogan.
COOPER: So Dr. Wen, Ivermectin apparently given to deworm animals. Why are people using this? I mean, I know, you know, it's being spread online and stuff. But what is the theory that it works?...
[after several paragraphs of transcript, we get]
I mean, Ivermectin is used in humans for things like parasites and scabies, but those are at low doses. When people are taking them at a very high doses as given for lifestyle, for horses for example, then they could get nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, severe skin rash, extremely low blood pressure and permanent liver damage. You could also die from overdoses of Ivermectin. And I hope that people realize this and heed the advice of public health experts rather than Joe Rogan.
Don Lemon Tonight
Septermber 3, 2021
BAKARI SELLERS, CNN contributor: I think the unfortunate part about all of this is you have individuals like Joe Rogan, for example, who don't want to take an experimental vaccine but will take horse dewormer. We've made this a political football and I wish we would just recalibrate for a second and say look, you know, we have children that are dying that are filling up hospitals. Let us do our part.
CNN Newsroom [with Jim Acosta]
September 5, 2021
JIM ACOSTA: And the podcast host Joe Rogan, he came down with COVID. He says he's been taking the livestock dewormer Ivermectin as well as other treatments that people talk about on the internet and so on. Doesn't have any effect on COVID obviously. Did you ever expect that you would have, I guess, to compete with the likes of Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, Dr. Fauci, and are their voices more powerful and, I guess, more widespread than people like yourself, other public health experts who are out there? And isn't that part of the problem?
FAUCI: Well, Jim, disinformation and misinformation is really a very serious issue when it comes to a public health issue like COVID-19 in which it is essential to get correct information out, both for people who are infected and who do need proper medication and proper care to foster things that are unproven right from the beginning has always been a problem.
The best way to counter disinformation and misinformation is to try as best as we all can to get the proper and correct information out. But one of the enemies of public health is disinformation and unfortunately we do see that in some quarters.
CNN New Day Saturday
September 5, 2021
BORIS SANCHEZ, host: Doctor, let's dig into a topic that you have been very vocal on on social media, ivermectin, that horse dewormer that has led to a lot of emergency room visits. [Really?] I see you shaking your head.
People have been taking this thing trying to treat COVID, but it has led to a lot of folks getting poisoned which led to this tweet from the FDA warning people not to take it. And yet celebrities like Joe Rogan have been talking about taking it. You see this tweet. You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, stop it.
Doctor, how did this become so popular? Is there any research that points to it being effective at all?
Dr. ROB DAVIDSON: It's hard to exactly figure it out. Now, listen, I took ivermectin in 2014 with a team of doctors and nurses who were in Haiti and on a relief trip. And we were exposed to scabies in a pretty significant way.
Ivermectin is a great drug. It won the Nobel Prize in 2015 but it treats things like scabies, river blindness. It's treated -- you know, for large animals, to deworm them like you said.
And so we don't want to say ivermectin shouldn't be used for what it's intended to be used for. It just not an antiviral. It doesn't treat COVID.
There is -- there are studies in Petri dishes using massive amounts of ivermectin and it inhibits the virus. But, you know, you throw that much of a drug at almost anything it's going to inhibit how well it works.
Some scientists latched on to this. We see this in health care all the time. There are groups of doctors or scientists who feel like something that they see may work and so they really want it to work. They try to do research. We see some observational studies, you know, case series -- groups of people that people think it's helping, it gets out into, unfortunately, social media and then folks like Joe Rogan latch on to it.
You know, the president latched on to hydroxychloroquine last year in the same way. Our own Senate majority leader here in Michigan, Mike Shirkey, tweeted out about ivermectin just this week. And it's just inexplicable why these folks want to sort of promote this and amplify it when the evidence just isn't there. People just need to get vaccinated, wear their masks, do the things we know work.
SANCHEZ: Yes, that makes sense. It's striking to me that Joe Rogan promotes psychedelic drugs that he gets from who knows where and he doesn't really know what's in them, but when it comes to a vaccine where millions of people have taken it, there's a ton of research on it, he doesn't recommend taking that.