CNN doesn’t even try to be objective anymore. Case in point, Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo were discussing Mount Rushmore, the President’s recent speech there, and the Founding Fathers. Lemon’s solution? Just add Barack Obama, making him “front and center.” (The journalist didn’t explain how that would happen without impacting the other Presidents already there.)
Talking to Cuomo, he suggested: “If they're going to put someone on Mount Rushmore, considering the history of this country, the first black President should be front and center.” Cuomo liked the idea, agreeing, “Add to Mount Rushmore.... I think it's a more salable idea than the idea of taking away Founding Fathers.”
Cuomo then hailed his colleague’s bias, perhaps even CNN’s slant:
You’ve made a choice. You may not be winning yourself a lot of fans but you're going to say what you think is true from experience, hard-minted from many years in the business and this country. Everybody has to make a choice about what they're going to do right now.
Lemon justified, “Many times I do this because I'm not just speaking for myself but I’m speaking for other people.” Many people already see CNN as DNC TV, the network should just officially admit it. Conservatives don’t agree with cancel culture. But it would simply be nice for the network to say it will be supporting Biden in the 2020 election.
In June, Lemon used his show to sneered, “If you grew up in America, you came out of American soil...considering the history of this country...how can you not be racist?” As the MRC’s Curtis Houck put it on June 10:
Over the years, he’s called Trump supporters “worse than” racists, questioned their intelligence, suggested female Trump voters benefit from “white supremacy,” and the kind of people who “steal,” “cheat,” and “lie to their mother.”
This is what Cuomo calls “saying what you think is true from experience.”
A transcript of the segment is below.
CNN Tonight with Don Lemon
4 minutes and 59 seconds
DON LEMON: I think, listen, this is gonna --- people are going to get --- pick this up --- if they're going to put someone on Mount Rushmore, considering the history of the country, the first black President should be front and center.
CUOMO: Add to Mount Rushmore. I think that that's --- first of all, I think it's a more salable idea than the idea of taking away Founding Fathers. You know, and again, all of this is fodder for debate and discussion. You got to have the talk. You can't hate people for having ideas you don't like. You know, that's the only mistake we can make. I was talking with my kids about this and we were talking about slavery and I was saying we did this, we did that, we did this and I was saying, now listen, you know, as you're getting context for this, Cuomos have only been here a couple generations but you have to understand own the history of the place because now you are charged with what do you do here? What are you about? How do you collaborate in the creation here? Whether it’s the pandemic or virus of racism. What we do have to do in the country is everybody -- you're doing it beautifully, brilliantly yourself. I'm biased and I love you. But you’re using your platform. You’ve made a choice. You may not be winning yourself a lot of fans but you're going to say what you think is true from experience, hard-minted from many years in the business and this country. Everybody has to make a choice about what they're going to do right now. As famous song [sic] from Rush, even if you choose not to decide you made a choice and that's where this President is with the Confederacy.
LEMON: All right, preach there, Cuomo. Listen, I have to say it’s --- many times I do this because I'm not just speaking for myself but I’m speaking for other people and I think it's important to give people, as I have said before, we have to cut people a break in this time. People are vulnerable. You know, we’ve got the coronavirus. They’re sitting home. People don't know where the next meal is coming from. They had a tough time with jobs and on and on. But you can't let people off the hook, so it's tough for many people’s ears to hear you say --- well, we have to add, we can’t change, we can't take it down, when Native Americans would say, well, that didn't happen when it came to us.”
LEMON: And so what's wrong --- what’s wrong with all of us together thinking or reshaping our country so that more people rethinking our country in the way we think and where priorities are so the country is --- belongs to everyone.
CUOMO: Nothing is wrong with it.
LEMON: It’s not just --- it’s not just my country.
LEMON: Maybe some of the people --- maybe some of the people --- I’m not saying they should --- but maybe some of the people up there on Mount Rushmore --- who knows? It wasn’t around --- Mount Rushmore --- if you --- the name shouldn't be Mount Rushmore if you talk to Native Americans.
LEMON: It is stolen land. It was Mount Rushmore 40 years before they started to carve presidents faces in it and no one got any money for that and the person who was behind that was one of the Founding Fathers.
CUOMO: Right. Or was a president.
LEMON: Or was a president and so ---
CUOMO: You're totally right. The premise is where we have to work towards, which is if we all decide. It's about consensus and collective consciousness and if you get to appoint ---
LEMON: But the majority of people aren't always on the right side, right? I mean, look at the civil rights movement. That’s so --- just because ---
CUOMO: --- right, but you got to that point where you got a majority of the country because otherwise, you wouldn't have had the legislation. You know, you have to get to a point where the country – Plessy v. Ferguson. Separate by equal. A lot of people thought that was Supreme Court, law of the land. People thought that was end of discussion. Fine. You got equal rights here. We’re equal, but we’re separate which was an extension of Lincoln’s philosophy, by the way. You have Brown v. Board of Education. And it was a whole rebirth of cultural awareness. We need collective conscious. The key has to be the we.
LEMON: And we need education. I really do think we need education. And I think people need to learn about the Founding Fathers. As I say, they were not perfect. Doesn't mean —
LEMON: --- they didn't do great things. I don't like to deify anyone, right? But they were not perfect. Lincoln wasn't perfect. You know, people think that Lincoln just said, listen, we’re going to free these people and then he was always on the right side. No, he wasn’t.
CUOMO: Right. There was a lot of pragmatism.
LEMON: He wanted to expatriate black people or Africans and send them to the colonize [sic] and send them to somewhere else, right? So --- yeah.
CUOMO: You are dead right. I was blessed with having a father who was a Lincoln scholar
CUOMO: And he was piping this stuff into my head since I was a teenager, but I'll tell you what the best thing to come out your pie hole you said early on in this, if you have a black friend, talk to them.
CUOMO: If you don't, find one.
LEMON: Find one.
CUOMO: If you're black person --- fine -- that is the key.
CUOMO: When people start to hear about different people's experiences, things change in your own experience and perspective. That's where we got to get to. That's all.
LEMON: You got it.