The NIH’s Dr. Jay SCHOOLS Margaret Brennan on Covid Lockdown Harm, Crisis of Confidence in Public Health

Jorge Bonilla
August 9th, 2026 10:23 PM

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The Elitist Media have a playbook when it comes to interviewing Trump administration public health officials: avoid any honest talk about the massive harm done by the Covid response, and demand allegiance to The Science™. The Director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, quickly shut that down.

 Consider this exchange on the first anniversary of the shooting of the CDC headquarters in Atlanta, which resulted in the death of an officer. Brennan tried to blame the shooting on “vaccine misinformation” and on HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr:

 

 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You were down in Atlanta this past week. This is one year since that horrific shooting at CDC headquarters.

JAY BHATTACHARYA: Yes.

BRENNAN: Officer David Rose was honored this past week. He was killed last year protecting CDC employees from a gunman. And we should note, he was a combat veteran, a United States Marine, who had just graduated five months prior from the police academy. Three kids left behind. The shooter was motivated by misinformation about the Covid vaccine. That is why he shot over 100 bullets into the windows of the CDC.

BHATTACHARYA: And, you know, I–

BRENNAN: Is enough being done to counter this kind of misinformation?

BHATTACHARYA: I mean, I should start with, I got to talk with Officer Rose's wife a few months back. One of the first things I did is I– you know, to honor him and his sacrifice in protecting the people that work at the CDC, the amazing people that work at the CDC, was we– you know, we renamed the street that leads into the CDC after him. And it was a really nice event.I'll tell you, the thing is, I want to focus on attention on Officer Rose because I don't– I think what the shooter did was horrific. And I think that, you know, if you talk about why shooters do things, the really fundamentally–

BRENNAN: Well, his father said he was brainwashed about the Covid vaccine and thought it was making him suicidal. That's what he's– the vengeance was when he said he was going to shoot up the CDC.

BHATTACHARYA: I mean, Margaret, I mean the thing is just like, to talk about the shooter puts the emphasis on somebody who's– I mean I think we shouldn't be putting our emphasis on the shooter.

BRENNAN: No, I am on misinformation about–

BHATTACHARYA: Yes. I mean I think the key– the key thing is, there's a loss of public trust in public health that happened in part because of a lot of– frankly, even on this network, and on other networks, there was a particular single point of view put across during the Covid pandemic about how– you know, that led to things that really did cause harm to people. The school closure is probably the number one thing that left the–

BRENNAN: This is not a productive line of claims. We covered Covid in depth on this program, like no other Sunday show did.

BHATTACHARYA: I'm not blaming you specifically. What I'm saying is, you want to talk about misinformation, the kinds of decisions and sort of the public sort of face of public health during the pandemic led to many people losing trust in public health–

BRENNAN: The Trump administration officials?

BHATTACHARYA: No, I mean, I mean like Biden. So, Biden, for instance, censored me–

BRENNAN: The pandemic began under the Trump administration.

BHATTACHARYA: But during the– but during the– but during the–

BRENNAN: And we put those officials on our air.

BHATTACHARYA: Just so we're clear, the Biden administration censored me, right? They censored– they sent out direct attacks on people who disagreed on the Covid– on sort of whether the Covid vaccine stopped it -BRENNAN: RFK Jr. called the Covid vaccine "the deadliest vaccine ever made."

BHATTACHARYA: I– no, I– you should talk to Bobby. But I can tell you what–

BRENNAN: That is misinformation. And we're not being clear about that. And I think that is dangerous, wouldn't you agree?

BHATTACHARYA: People lost their jobs, Margaret, because the Biden administration censored people and said, look, you can't even talk about the Covid vaccine harms.

BRENNAN: We're talking about a shooting.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, and I'm talking about why you have the kind of distrust that's led to the kind of– sort of problems that you're talking– were talking about earlier in public health. That distrust was not caused by President Trump. And it wasn't caused by Bobby. It was caused by a lot of sort of really fundamentally–

BRENNAN: Misinformation–

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, but often spread by the government itself regarding natural immunity, closing of schools, closures of mask mandates. People lost their jobs because of these vaccine mandates that didn't make any public health sense. So, if you want to talk about public trust, you have to embrace that fully, right? You can't just talk about it in a narrow, political way.

BRENNAN: I'm talking about a shooting at the CDC and an officer you said you just went to honor.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes.

BRENNAN: That's what I was talking about. You're talking about something else entirely.

BHATTACHARYA: No, no, you're trying– you're talking about, Margaret -

BRENNAN: I also asked you about shoring up public health in vaccines.

BHATTACHARYA: Margaret, just to be blunt, you're– what you're talking about is– what you're talking about is, you're trying to blame the shooting on Bobby.

BRENNAN: No, I'm not. I'm reading you what his father said.

BHATTACHARYA: No, what you're reading– what you're– what you're saying– what you're implying is that somehow the lack of public trust, right? So–

BRENNAN: I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about your visit.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, and my visit–

BRENNAN: And is enough being done?

BHATTACHARYA: And I– this was a year– I think it's really unfortunate, Margaret.

“Vaccine misinformation” was the catch-all used to shut critics down. Some of us remember when former Univision anchor Jorge Ramos went so far as to say that questioning vaccines were tantamount to “a threat to Democracy.” When Bhattacharya shuts that narrative line down, Brennan goes for an emotional appeal to the memory of the officer cut down by the deranged gunman. Mind you, this is after Bhattacharya talked about the time spent with his widow in honor of his sacrifice.

Also notable that Brennan went for the “Trump officials” tu quoque when the record reflects the censorship of Biden happened under the Biden administration. That really happened, too. Per The New York Post:

A federal court of appeals ruled earlier this month that the White House, surgeon general, CDC and FBI “likely violated the First Amendment” by exerting a pressure campaign on social media companies to censor COVID-19 skeptics — including Stanford epidemiologist Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.

“I think this ruling is akin to the second Enlightenment,” Bhattacharya told The Post. “It’s a ruling that says there’s a democracy of ideas. The issue is not whether the ideas are wrong or right. The question is who gets to control what ideas are expressed in the public square?”

The court ordered that the Biden administration and other federal agencies “shall take no actions, formal or informal, directly or indirectly” to coerce social media companies “to remove, delete, suppress or reduce” free speech.

What did Bhattacharya do that merited government-induced censorship? He advocated for people to live as normal lives as possible during the pandemic, and against draconian lockdowns. This was simply too much for Brennan.

The interview closed out with a similar exchange- Brennan chiding Bhattacharya for bringing up 2020 when discussing the lack of confidence in public health today:

 

 

BRENNAN: Should parents trust that they can go vaccinate their kids when their doctor tells them to do so for them to go back to school?

BHATTACHARYA: Yeah, I think– I think that the– that parents, for most kids, especially for the measles vaccines, the DTP, all the standard childhood vaccines, it's very important that parents vaccinate their kids. As far as can- they feel confident sending them back to school? You know, I just– just to push back some. It was a tremendous mistake to cause parents to fear that– about sending their kids to school during the Covid pandemic. The kids were better off in school. We shouldn't be scaring the public–

BRENNAN: I'm talking about what people do now. It's August. About to be September. Kids are going back to school. I'm not talking about 2020. I'm talking about 2026.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, but, Margaret, you're talking about the– you're talking about– we're talking about the why people have–

BRENNAN: Clarity from the federal government and the top health official.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, OK, just so we're clear. If you want clarity, let me give you some clarity.

BRENNAN: Please.

BHATTACHARYA: The reason why you have this problem in public trust is because what happened in 2020 has not yet been addressed. To be–

BRENNAN: Can these parents trust you and the recommendation that they should go get their kids vaccinated to go back to school?

BHATTACHARYA: Yes. I mean, I think– I mean the parents, should they trust me? I mean I'm giving my recommendation. I vaccinated my kids. I don't think that it is a– it's– I think if you want to protect your kids from these sort of parental diseases, yes, you should vaccinate your kids. But it is even more important that these kids go to school. That they, in no way, shape, or form should this show or any other show like it perpetuate the idea that sending their kids to school is worse because there are going to be some health risks there when it's just not true, right?If you want to protect your kids from those preventable diseases, vaccinate your kids. I've been very, very clear about that. But it is a– it is a mistake, and it contributes to the lack of public trust if you sort of fearmonger around, oh, if you send your kids to school, well, you might be around unvaccinated kids. That's a tremendous mistake, right? If you vaccinate your kids, you can protect your kids from those risks, whatever they are.And in any case, it's better to send the kids to school, because that's how you keep kids healthy.

BRENNAN: Yes. We want to send our kids to school.

BHATTACHARYA: I'm not– but now addressing what happened in 2020 is part of that.

BRENNAN: OK.

BHATTACHARYA: If you want to say why there's this loss of public trust, you have to really wrap your arms around that.

BRENNAN: But you trust the science and the health workers and the vaccines now is what I understand you were saying. And so that is the message that I think we can–

BHATTACHARYA: I mean, trust the science. I mean I've looked at the scientific evidence and there's lots– I mean I personally have made decisions for my family around those lines too.

BRENNAN: OK.

BHATTACHARYA: So, yes.

BRENNAN: That's good to know. Thank you. We're going to leave it there, because I know we're running out of time. We'll be back in a moment.

This is not that different from what Dana Bash tried to do last week with HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Cut off any discussion of 2020 and push for an acknowledgement of the supremacy of The Science™. Bhattacharya doesn’t let Brennan escape the painful truth that what happened in 2020 is the reason there is such distrust in 2026. 

And as Bhattacharya pointed out, the Elitist Media had a huge role to play in that. Rather than correcting course so as to regain the public’s trust they barrel forward as though nothing happened- even as trust in the media continues to crater. That arrogance and institutional lack of self-awareness is exactly what Brennan demonstrated today. 

Click “expand” to view the full transcript of the aforementioned interview as aired on CBS’s Face the Nation on Sunday, August 9th, 2026:

MARGARET BRENNAN: We're joined now by the director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. Good morning to you, Doctor.

JAY BHATTACHARYA: Good morning.

BRENNAN: And we should mention, you're also helping to run the CDC until the new director is sworn in as well.

BHATTACHARYA: Until next Wednesday, yes.

BRENNAN: Until next Wednesday. So, let me ask you about a number of things that I think people at home are worried about, particularly around the food supply. The cyclospora outbreak linked to iceberg lettuce from Mexico is now in 15 states. There were two deaths this week due to it. Yesterday, USDA issued an alert for a range of products that may have salmonella, including meat and poultry. Twenty-seven states are affected by salmonella, possibly linked to jalapenos, but cilantro, red onion, avocado also listed in the CDC notice. Albertson's, a grocery store, just recalled some items. There's risk of salmonella in eggs in Texas, according to the CDC. And then you have this screwworm outbreak affecting beef. This is overwhelming for someone going into a grocery store right now. Why do they seem out of control?

BHATTACHARYA: Well, the cyclospora outbreak is larger than it normally is. I mean normally there's actually cyclospora cases. The– so, the two deaths that you mentioned, they happened in late July– late June, early July, before we identified the source. And so, folks that are listening, they can rest assured, the CDC and the FDA are working hard to trace back exactly where these outbreaks are occurring from, intervening with the suppliers to make sure that they don't– and doing recalls to make sure that they– that the disease hasn't– you know, that the condition doesn't spread. I mean, it's tough. You go to a grocery store. You buy lettuce. You say, hey, can I buy the lettuce?

BRENNAN: Yeah.

BHATTACHARYA: And what I'd say to folks listening, we're working hard to make sure that the contaminated sources don't get onto the shelves. And if you're worried, you can buy the– buy the lettuce but make sure you wash it carefully. Don't eat the outer leaves. And if you're really worried, just, you know, cook your vegetables.

BRENNAN: But we're not hearing from the FDA. I mean it– should there be a restriction on imports from central Mexico right now? It seems like a lot of things are tied back.

BHATTACHARYA: Yeah, I mean, I think the key thing is that when we find a contaminated source, we intervene. I can't speak for the FDA, thank God. I mean it's just the NIH and CDC. But I can say that the folks who I have worked with at the FDA are– they're a great team of folks that are– that are tracking back and finding the source of these outbreaks.And for cyclospora specifically, it's complicated because the– for technical reasons, it's much– it's more different than if it was just a bacteria to find the exact source. But they've done a great job finding it. And they've been cooperating with the CDC team that I've led the last few months to try to identify the source. And, you know, it's– what we know now is because of that hard work that's gone on.

BRENNAN: Yeah. But there are also a number of other health issues, including measles cases now at their highest level in 35 years. The CDC says only ten U.S. states have measles vaccine coverage rates above the 95 percent threshold in the prior school year. That is so key because that is, as you know, a marker for basically a way to stop transmission- herd immunity.Do you believe that the federal government needs to make a really full- throated push to tell parents, go get your kids vaccinated with the MMR vaccine?

BHATTACHARYA: You know, one of the first things I did as CDC director, I think it was back in February of this year, was that there was a big outbreak in South Carolina. And I went on to– I went on– I don't know if TV is the right word, but I went on camera and I recommended that the best way to end the measles outbreak there was to have their kid– parents vaccinate their kids from measles.

BRENNAN: Yes.

BHATTACHARYA: And the outbreak has now ended in South Carolina, in part because of that. There's been a lot of– a lot of outbreaks, not just in the United States, but around the world.

BRENNAN: Yes.

BHATTACHARYA: And, you know, it's– a lot of it has to do with sort of a collapse in sort of public trust in a lot of science– you know, public health measures that occurred during the pandemic, for reasons we can– we can discuss. For me, the most important thing is to try to regain that trust.

BRENNAN: Right. But why not– you can have TV ads. You can have something that's more of a national push. It was notable last week that Secretary Kennedy went on television and did say, parents should get kids vaccinated from measles because it's effective at preventing infection roughly 97 percent of the time. That was a change for him. He has not always been that clear, as you know. Why not blast that across the airwaves of America?

BHATTACHARYA: I mean I think that I've done my best to try to do that. Every time anyone's asked me about vaccinating their kids from measles, I say exactly that, that the best way to protect your kids from measles is to get the vaccine for meals. You know–

BRENNAN: This country's going to lose its measles elimination status in November.

BHATTACHARYA: As did Canada. As did Mexico. As did the U.K.

BRENNAN: But that's not acceptable, right, the gold standard of science.

BHATTACHARYA: But, you know, I think the thing is–

BRENNAN: That MAHA–

(CROSS TALK)

BHATTACHARYA: I think the thing is, if you look at the- actually what's happened, like the– there are specific states where there's– we have these outbreaks, a big outbreak in Texas, which has now been addressed. Big outbreak in Arizona and Utah that's been addressed. South Carolina, that's been addressed.Now what we saw was an outbreak in Virginia. Again, coming down sharply in now Pennsylvania. It's specific communities of people that have– that are the highest risk that we have to focus on, as well as the broader sort of message that is important for children to be vaccinated from the measles if we want to address the measles outbreak.

BRENNAN: Well, that's why I brought up herd immunity because it puts everyone at risk, right, not just people.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes.

BRENNAN: But on this issue- you were down in Atlanta this past week. This is one year since that horrific shooting at CDC headquarters.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes.

BRENNAN: Officer David Rose was honored this past week. He was killed last year protecting CDC employees from a gunman. And we should note, he was a combat veteran, a United States Marine, who had just graduated five months prior from the police academy. Three kids left behind. The shooter was motivated by misinformation about the Covid vaccine. That is why he shot over 100 bullets into the windows of the CDC.

BHATTACHARYA: And, you know, I–

BRENNAN: Is enough being done to counter this kind of misinformation?

BHATTACHARYA: I mean, I should start with, I got to talk with Officer Rose's wife a few months back. One of the first things I did is I– you know, to honor him and his sacrifice in protecting the people that work at the CDC, the amazing people that work at the CDC, was we– you know, we renamed the street that leads into the CDC after him. And it was a really nice event.I'll tell you, the thing is, I want to focus on attention on Officer Rose because I don't– I think what the shooter did was horrific. And I think that, you know, if you talk about why shooters do things, the really fundamentally–

BRENNAN: Well, his father said he was brainwashed about the Covid vaccine and thought it was making him suicidal. That's what he's– the vengeance was when he said he was going to shoot up the CDC.

BHATTACHARYA: I mean, Margaret, I mean the thing is just like, to talk about the shooter puts the emphasis on somebody who's– I mean I think we shouldn't be putting our emphasis on the shooter.

BRENNAN: No, I am on misinformation about–

BHATTACHARYA: Yes. I mean I think the key– the key thing is, there's a loss of public trust in public health that happened in part because of a lot of– frankly, even on this network, and on other networks, there was a particular single point of view put across during the Covid pandemic about how– you know, that led to things that really did cause harm to people. The school closure is probably the number one thing that left the–

BRENNAN: This is not a productive line of claims. We covered Covid in depth on this program, like no other Sunday show did.

BHATTACHARYA: I'm not blaming you specifically. What I'm saying is, you want to talk about misinformation, the kinds of decisions and sort of the public sort of face of public health during the pandemic led to many people losing trust in public health–

BRENNAN: The Trump administration officials?

BHATTACHARYA: No, I mean, I mean like Biden. So, Biden, for instance, censored me–

BRENNAN: The pandemic began under the Trump administration.

BHATTACHARYA: But during the– but during the– but during the–

BRENNAN: And we put those officials on our air.

BHATTACHARYA: Just so we're clear, the Biden administration censored me, right? They censored– they sent out direct attacks on people who disagreed on the Covid– on sort of whether the Covid vaccine stopped it-

BRENNAN: RFK Jr. called the Covid vaccine "the deadliest vaccine ever made."

BHATTACHARYA: I– no, I– you should talk to Bobby. But I can tell you what–

BRENNAN: That is misinformation. And we're not being clear about that. And I think that is dangerous, wouldn't you agree?

BHATTACHARYA: People lost their jobs, Margaret, because the Biden administration censored people and said, look, you can't even talk about the Covid vaccine harms.

BRENNAN: We're talking about a shooting.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, and I'm talking about why you have the kind of distrust that's led to the kind of– sort of problems that you're talking– were talking about earlier in public health. That distrust was not caused by President Trump. And it wasn't caused by Bobby. It was caused by a lot of sort of really fundamentally–

BRENNAN: Misinformation–

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, but often spread by the government itself regarding natural immunity, closing of schools, closures of mask mandates. People lost their jobs because of these vaccine mandates that didn't make any public health sense.

So, if you want to talk about public trust, you have to embrace that fully, right? You can't just talk about it in a narrow, political way.

BRENNAN: I'm talking about a shooting at the CDC and an officer you said you just went to honor.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes.

BRENNAN: That's what I was talking about. You're talking about something else entirely.

BHATTACHARYA: No, no, you're trying– you're talking about, Margaret -

BRENNAN: I also asked you about shoring up public health in vaccines.

BHATTACHARYA: Margaret, just to be blunt, you're– what you're talking about is– what you're talking about is, you're trying to blame the shooting on Bobby.

BRENNAN: No, I'm not. I'm reading you what his father said.

BHATTACHARYA: No, what you're reading– what you're– what you're saying– what you're implying is that somehow the lack of public trust, right? So–

BRENNAN: I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about your visit.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, and my visit–

BRENNAN: And is enough being done?

BHATTACHARYA: And I– this was a year– I think it's really unfortunate, Margaret.

BRENNAN: Let's talk about, since you want to restore public trust, tell me what you're doing now, because The Washington Post and Bloomberg reported The White House is preparing an executive order on vaccines and autism. What is it going to prescribe? What is it going to do? Why are we seeing another announcement here when I know you are launching research into a plethora of issues that are contributing factors, potentially, to autism? Why would The White House be saying only look at this thing?

BHATTACHARYA: Well, I don't– I mean, you would have to ask the president about the specifics of the executive order. I'll tell you what we're doing.

BRENNAN: Because is it going to– do you think that's restoring trust in vaccines?

BHATTACHARYA: The purpose of the– whatever the– I mean I– you can ask the president about the executive order. But I'll tell you what the focus of the president has been–

BRENNAN: You don't know about the executive order?

BHATTACHARYA: I don't– I won't be able to tell you specifically what's on it because I don't think it's done yet. But I– you can ask the president about it. What I can tell you is that the president cares deeply, as does Bobby, about the rise in autism. I know you do as well. There are so many families around the country that have had, you know, have faced the issues of this, right?

BRENNAN: Yes. And they want real information.

BHATTACHARYA: And so I, as the NIH Director, have been focused on making sure that we have science that addresses that very complicated question about why we've seen a rise in autism. It's not going to be a simple answer. And I– last year I authorized something called the Autism Data Science Initiative, that we're going to have a big sort of early set of– set of results from it in a couple weeks from the dozen and more scientific teams that have been funded to look at this, with a mandate of thinking very broadly, not just genes, not just environmental exposures, but potential interactions. We don't know– I– if you ask me, as a scientist, do I know why we've seen this rise in autism, I'll tell you, I don't know the answer to that question.

BRENNAN: Yeah.

BHATTACHARYA: And the fact that it gets so tied up with, OK, is it– is it vaccines, not vaccines? What it does is it sends a signal to scientists that, if you work on this topic, you're going to get destroyed if you get the wrong answer.

BRENNAN: Yeah.

BHATTACHARYA: I've tried my hardest. The way you build public trust is allow people to talk and think, without that kind of sort of political overlay. I've tried my very hardest as NIH Director to make– to allow that to happen.

BRENNAN: Which is so key for science. Which is why I'm asking you why the president, putting out an order specifically focused on one what seems to be preconceived notion, how that wouldn't be undermining what I'm talking about.

BHATTACHARYA: Well, you're jumping ahead. I mean I don't know exactly what's in this executive order. Neither do you. So, it's not– yes.

BRENNAN: Well, it's interesting that you don't. My colleague Matt Gutman here at CBS asked you last week whether you think vaccines cause autism. You said, you don't know for certain. You said, there isn't evidence that any vaccine causes autism, but you also don't have evidence that vaccines do not. Parents are preparing to send their kids back to school.

BHATTACHARYA: OK, so just so– I just want to be very, very clear what I actually said.

BRENNAN: Please be clear.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes.

BRENNAN: Should parents trust that they can go vaccinate their kids when their doctor tells them to do so for them to go back to school?

BHATTACHARYA: Yeah, I think– I think that the– that parents, for most kids, especially for the measles vaccines, the DTP, all the standard childhood vaccines, it's very important that parents vaccinate their kids. As far as can- they feel confident sending them back to school? You know, I just– just to push back some. It was a tremendous mistake to cause parents to fear that– about sending their kids to school during the Covid pandemic. The kids were better off in school. We shouldn't be scaring the public–

BRENNAN: I'm talking about what people do now. It's August. About to be September. Kids are going back to school. I'm not talking about 2020. I'm talking about 2026.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, but, Margaret, you're talking about the– you're talking about– we're talking about the why people have–

BRENNAN: Clarity from the federal government and the top health official.

BHATTACHARYA: Yes, OK, just so we're clear. If you want clarity, let me give you some clarity.

BRENNAN: Please.

BHATTACHARYA: The reason why you have this problem in public trust is because what happened in 2020 has not yet been addressed. To be–

BRENNAN: Can these parents trust you and the recommendation that they should go get their kids vaccinated to go back to school?

BHATTACHARYA: Yes. I mean, I think– I mean the parents, should they trust me? I mean I'm giving my recommendation. I vaccinated my kids. I don't think that it is a– it's– I think if you want to protect your kids from these sort of parental diseases, yes, you should vaccinate your kids. But it is even more important that these kids go to school. That they, in no way, shape, or form should this show or any other show like it perpetuate the idea that sending their kids to school is worse because there are going to be some health risks there when it's just not true, right?If you want to protect your kids from those preventable diseases, vaccinate your kids. I've been very, very clear about that. But it is a– it is a mistake, and it contributes to the lack of public trust if you sort of fearmonger around, oh, if you send your kids to school, well, you might be around unvaccinated kids. That's a tremendous mistake, right? If you vaccinate your kids, you can protect your kids from those risks, whatever they are.And in any case, it's better to send the kids to school, because that's how you keep kids healthy.

BRENNAN: Yes. We want to send our kids to school.

BHATTACHARYA: I'm not– but now addressing what happened in 2020 is part of that.

BRENNAN: OK.

BHATTACHARYA: If you want to say why there's this loss of public trust, you have to really wrap your arms around that.

BRENNAN: But you trust the science and the health workers and the vaccines now is what I understand you were saying. And so that is the message that I think we can–

BHATTACHARYA: I mean, trust the science. I mean I've looked at the scientific evidence and there's lots– I mean I personally have made decisions for my family around those lines too.

BRENNAN: OK.

BHATTACHARYA: So, yes.

BRENNAN: That's good to know. Thank you. We're going to leave it there, because I know we're running out of time. We'll be back in a moment.

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