Jim Lehrer on Colbert: I am ‘Bias-Free’ And The ‘Flavor of Neutrality’

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Appearing on the Monday edition of Comedy Central’s "Colbert Report," PBS host Jim Lehrer dismissed any hint of a liberal agenda, declaring himself "bias-free." The "NewsHour" anchor also indicated that the real problem is the distorted viewers, not slanted reporting:

Stephen Colbert: "Now, um, do you believe that you have a liberal bias?"

Jim Lehrer: "I know I do not have a liberal bias."

Colbert: "You know you have a liberal bias?"

Lehrer: "No. I do not have a liberal bias. I do not have--"

Colbert: "You don't have a liberal bias."

Lehrer: "I don't have a conservative bias either. I don't have any bias. I am bias-free."

Colbert, in his faux conservative tone, continued to press the PBS anchor, leading to Lehrer’s claim that the audience is at fault for perceiving bias:

Colbert: "Oh come on, come on now."

Lehrer: "No, no, no. Bias is what people who hear or read the news bring to the story not what the journalist brings to the reporting."

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Colbert: "Uh-huh. But doesn't the journalist have to hear the news before he says it back out to someone else?"

Lehrer: "Yes."

Colbert: "I mean you are a channel– I mean, you’re adding some, you know, Jim Lehrer flavor to what you, to what you said. There is no way to avoid that."

Lehrer: "Well, but it is a flavor of neutrality."

Colbert: "Oh, that sounds delicious! That– That should be the new ad campaign: ‘Jim Lehrer, the flavor of neutrality.’"

Despite his claims of being free of bias, the MRC has noted some "liberally flavored" leanings, including the softball style of his 2000 interview with presidential candidate Al Gore and his handling of the debates between Bush and Gore. An analysis by the MRC found that, as moderator of a "town hall" debate, he chose mostly liberal questions. And, during the 2004 Republican convention, Lehrer followed a GOP tribute to the late Ronald Reagan by blaming the deficits on the former President’s tax cuts.

Mr. Lehrer, however, would likely label these examples as simply the problem of faulty viewing.

A transcript of the relevant section, which aired at 11:50p.m. on November 27, follows:

Stephen Colbert: "Now, I gotta say, um, seem like a nice guy, I like your reporting. I love the fact that you don't vote. That is very famous, right? You don't vote?"

Jim Lehrer: "Well, yes, and no. Sometimes--"

Colbert: "Yes or no? What-".

Lehrer: "Sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t."

Colbert: "You just don't tell people?"

Lehrer: "That's right. It is none of their business. Is that a problem?"

Colbert: "All right. No, that’s fine. No--"

Lehrer: "If it’s a problem--"

Colbert: "No. If you want to be wishy washy about that, but whether or not you vote--"

Lehrer: "I'm wishy washy for a living, sir."

Colbert: "I want to talk to you about that. You call yourself the middle of the road. You are very moderate in your reporting. How do we know what is important in a newscast if you’re not yelling at your guests? I have never heard you yell at a guest. And that makes me very suspicious of whether or not you mean what you say."

Lehrer: "If, by chance, somebody's watching the program some night, not this program but the News Hour and--".

Colbert: "If, by chance."

Lehrer: "If by chance, and I ask somebody a question and they give the answer and then I say, ‘liar!’"

Colbert: (Laughing) "Your ratings would go through the roof. They'll say, ‘Jim Lehrer has lost his mind.’"

Lehrer: "Exactly. But, you see, I'm not into those cheap tricks. I wouldn't do anything like that."

Colbert: "Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. No, you’re PBS, you're above that.

Lehrer: "Absolutely.

Colbert: "Don't have to worry about ratings!"

Lehrer: "No, no, we don't care if anybody watches us or not."

Colbert: "That's good, that's good."

Lehrer: "That's good. It keeps us low key, sir."

Colbert: "Uh-huh. Now, um, do you believe that you have a liberal bias?"

Lehrer: "I know I do not have a liberal bias."

Colbert: "You know you have a liberal bias?"

Lehrer: "No. I do not have a liberal bias. I do not have--"

Colbert: "You don't have a liberal bias."

Lehrer: "I don't have a conservative bias either. I don't have any bias. I am bias-free."

Colbert: "Okay. So you’re like a manila envelope. There is no inherent flavor in the way you report the news. It is just information. But doesn't information itself have a liberal bias?"

Lehrer: "No."

Colbert: "Oh come on, come on now."

Lehrer: "No, no, no. Bias is what people who hear or read the news bring to the story not what the journalist brings to the reporting."

Colbert: "Uh-huh. But doesn't the journalist have to hear the news before he says it back out to someone else?"

Lehrer: "Yes."

Colbert: "I mean you are a channel– I mean, you’re adding some, you know, Jim Lehrer flavor to what you, to what you said. There is no way to avoid that."

Lehrer: "Well, but it is a flavor of neutrality."

Colbert: "Oh, that sounds delicious! That– That should be the new ad campaign: ‘Jim Lehrer, the flavor of neutrality.’"

Lehrer: "There is another element to this though."

Colbert: "Oh, it gets spicier. What is the other element?"

Lehrer: "All right. For instance, you have an obligation every evening, five nights a week, to be serious and funny. I have an obligation five nights it to a week to be serious and boring."

Colbert: "Mission accomplished!"

Lehrer: "Exactly. And you know something, you can make fun of me all you want."

Colbert: "I will."

Lehrer: "But it takes a lot of courage to be boring five nights a week. It really does."

Colbert: "You– You might be the bravest man alive."

—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.


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Also posted under the "S

Also posted under the "Shocking Editorial" story:

In the early days of the formation of this republic, newspapers were deliberately open about their political leanings.  It was common to see papers named with the label of a political party or philosophy.   This prevalence of many different views which were out in the open, and not hidden behind a cloak of pretended objectivity, is what created the "balance."

The death of objectivity occurred at the birth of the notion that news outlets should be "balanced".  The pretended objectivity adopted by "journalism" removed the checks and balances provided by the media marketplace.   

I say to hell with "objective journalism"! I want the truth! 

Of course, you'll say, the 'truth' is different depending on the viewpoint.  Fine, give me your truth, I'll give you mine, they'll give us theirs and we individuals can decide which is the real truth and what the best course of action is to be taken based on that information.  The only requirement for this to work is that the source of the information openly declare it's philosophical bent.

This is why FNC should drop the "fair and balanced" slogan and openly embrace the label of a "conservative" news source.  Then they should fire Geraldo and every other Lib working for them, expand into local over-the-air markets and, most importantly, challenge the "networks" to openly declare their Leftist tilt.  This would blow the MSM's cover as 'journalists' and expose them as political activists; or at least make look foolish trying to deny it.

"The essence of bias is the pretense of objectivity" - Me

Additional P.S.  PBS can't afford to admit its bias because then it would lose government funding.  This is another area conservatives should challenge the established media.

Lehrer: as honest as it gets

I watched the Colbert Report last night and saw the interview with Jim Lehrer. I am a huge fan of his and the News Hour on PBS. As far as TV news reporting goes, I think that the News Hour is the best in the business at providing unbiased reporting of the news without a political party slant. It is difficult for moderates to detect any political posturing or hard selling of a particular viewpoint. Isn't this what news reporting should be about? That is to inform and educate the viewer without bias? However, I'm sure that extreme right wing conservatives and extreme left wing liberals get upset with any "news reporting" that dosn't tell them what they want to believe. In addition, I enjoy the News Hour because theirs is not a line-up of pundits yelling and screaming at one another like a bunch of hot-air blowing drunks at a bar (e.g., FOX and MSNBC).

"Dissent is the highest form of
patriotism."
President Thomas Jefferson

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
President 'Teddy' Roosevelt

It's impossible to be totally

It's impossible to be totally objective.  PBS may report the stories they report from an "objective" angle, but what about what they don't report?  Who chooses the stories they run?  What criteria do they use?  Are they covering the Harry Reid land scam story?  Are they covering the fauxtography story or the false reporting of Shiites burning Sunnis to death?  Did they fail to cover all the good economic news that existed prior to the election, or did they deliberately suppress it in order to help Democrats?  The answer is obvious!

PBS is a Liberal dominated organization and there is no doubt that their news programs are Liberally biased.  Their pretended objectivity is more dangerous than if they were to openly declare their bias.

"The essence of bias is the pretense of objectivity." - Me

PBS has a bias towards bein

PBS has a bias towards being boring in presentation and dull in content selection. Look, I find the MSM's fascination with tabloid journalism to be annoying, but at the same time PBS bores me to tears with technocrats from the UN and the like talking about problems in sub-Saharan Africa or the ballet in Sarajevo or other stuff I have little or no interest in.

It's also as if they look for the most boring, irrelevent news stories to latch on to for interview topics.

Now, I like that they do more on certain international stories and the like, but really I think your best best there is just to read (with a grain of salt) Reuters, the BBC, AFP, and a variety of other international press outlets.   

Bias At PBS Different From Network TV

The bias at PBS is more subtle. I remember a few years ago that Lehrer's idea of a Republican voice on his program was David Gergen, who ended up working at the Clinton White House.

The big broadcast networks and CNN are far more overt in their presentations. After watching their "news" there's no question in anyone's mind but that this is "news" for Democrats, by Democrats.

PBS, which attracts a more educated crowd HAS to be more careful not to turn off conservative viewers, but to change them. Also PBS has to be careful given their funding arrangements.

Off course they're biased. Just in a more subtle way.

Matt and Ken and others cov

Matt and Ken covered your other points rather ably.  I would only like to add that you need to check your quotes before you post, especially when its one you've heard from a Liberal.  Thomas Jefferson never said that bogus nonsense.  Take my word for it; its a bogus quote started by some Liberal Lefty professor, though the name of the whacko moonbat escapes me.

"Chief Justice Oliver We

"Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, writing for a unanimous court, held that anti-government speech during wartime was an overt "act" subject to regulation by Congress � the clear prohibitions of the First Amendment against such regulation notwithstanding. According to Holmes: "When a nation is at war many things that might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its conduct that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight and that no Court could regard them as protected by any Constitutional right."

With regards to determining what is lawful and what is not, I take Holmes over T. Roosevelt any day of the week.  Had republicans won i would be pushing for your execution.  I am not kidding.

Bias is what people who hear

Bias is what people who hear or read the news bring to the story not what the journalist brings to the reporting."

Interesting premise, based on a faulty world view of objectivity.  From the same man who said something to the effect that truth was in the eye of the beholder. So that is very consistent with his world view, however, when one is in the position of asking the questions and framing the arguments, you are in the position of controlling the answers for the desired outcome, anyone who has experience in dealing with the law knows this.   He believes sincerely that he is an impassionate observer and moderator?  I know he makes the attempt, which I will not take from him, however, what are his views on Fox News?

I used to watch the show from it's inception with Robert McNeil, something was lost when Robert left. I ran across an interesting site critiquing the show.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

The only people devoid of any

The only people devoid of any bias are those that lack any mental capacity at all. Even an infant is biased toward his parents and will vocally display that bias when handled by a stranger. Lehrer has basically admitted that he is mentally retarded (not that there's anything wrong with that). Why then, do we rely on a mentally deficient person to report the news to us. By his lack of logic he has basically said the "Mien Kampf" is not biased, but the reader brings his own bias to the experience which he then forms his own bias of the work. Ludicris!

'When you wade into political life you have every right to say what you want, but you cannot in turn argue that no one has the right to take you on'... --Rush Limbaugh

Colbert drugs ??

Never having watched the Colbert show and only having seen him once on "sixty minutes" I quickly came to the conclusion that the man is a fool. I did not watch the entire interview on "60", it was banal. However reading his words above, I feel that Colbert is "wired". I think you know what I mean. "Happy juice!"

He may be the craziest man alive. What an ass!

You can do better than that

You can do better than that. Really get in there an assault his character. I just don't think you're even trying.

colbert

You don't think Colbert's behaviour is silly?? How would you describe what he has to say, what he contributes?? I confess I base my judgment on one viewing and reading his comments on the internet, but the man is a popinjay!

You don't think Colbert's b

You don't think Colbert's behaviour is silly??

Of course, but I would expect it, being a comedy show and all.

How would you describe what he has to say, what he contributes??

He contributes a hilarious half hour, four days a week.

Colbert

Bal, you may not care but you just lost a lot of respect.

Because I like the political

Because I like the political comedy stylings of Stephen Colbert? Really? That's all it takes to lose your respect?

misterbill....a popinjay inde

misterbill....a popinjay indeed... with no reason to be!

You hit it right on the head...I watched him at the yearly Presidential Roast on C-Span....he was absolutely atrocious.

Now pull the other one, Jim.Y

Now pull the other one, Jim.

You will know their liberal bias by their denial of bias.

PBS: the leader in liberal, tax-payer supported bias for over 50 years.

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

Habitual-liars of the leftist mass-media

Yep! When Lehrer and others of his rancid kind attempt to justify that they're unbiased; we know it's a crock. From Lehrer to Matthews (of course, Olbie) state they’re not biased but solely objective. The fact that these wankers can lie so brazenly, indicates they have a lot of issues that must be dealt with; such as their being habitual-liars.  

(Lehrer: "No, no, no. Bi

(Lehrer: "No, no, no. Bias is what people who hear or read the news bring to the story not what the journalist brings to the reporting.")

Did I read this correctly, Lehrer is blaming the reader of the news for the bias and not the messenger?

This has got to be the most convoluted rational of the roles of the messenger and reader of news I have ever heard.

Lehrer has  definitely been seduced by the dark side.

The whole idea that we have a

The whole idea that we have a PBS just pisses me off.  That Americans have to pay taxes to support "news" from a so-called public broadcaster "company" is insane. 

And, like another poster mentioned, most of the programs are just boring.  Nevertheless, a typical "news" format is to first pick a person that has a liberal point of view with no counterpoint from either the interviewer or another person with an opposing view.  In fact, its is a rare moment indeed that they have any conservatives on a PBS show at all.  Then, the interviewer waxes on and on about how wonderful the person is to bring us these "gems" of opinion.  The liberal gets into the role and talks as if what is spewing forth is coming from the tablets on Mt Sinai.  Its enough to make you barf. 

And, what's with the "news" from the BBC? 

I just went to the online front page of www.pbs.org.  I purused the headlines.  The fourth article from the top is typical - "How credit card companies get Americans to take on more debt."  Sure, they go to people's houses and hold people at gun point - go buy that HD TV and pay with a credit card. 

And, again, let me remind all of you - you paid for the above article, in part, with your taxes! 

This is more evidence of my

This is more evidence of my theory of The Fair And Balanced By Definition Mentality operating among MSM folks: "they identify (equate, synonymize) their point of view with being fair and balanced. To put it the other way, they believe their point of view is, by definition, the fair and balanced point of view.... Thus, too, their genuine shock and outrage when they are accused of not being fair and balanced: according to how they think, they are fair and balanced by definition and, therefore, can hardly be anything else."

Democrats, media most corrupt groups on earth

It took the Democrats 150 years, a horrible civil war and the Civil Rights Acts of 1965 to admit and finally shed their racist ways. The media will never shed its inculcated bias, either, nor will it be objective and ethical until forced to change. Democrats are one of the most corrupt organizations on earth and they have transformed the media in that image, PBS in particular.

j17ghs...Amen!

j17ghs...

Amen!

MSM -- Democrats

MSM -- Democrats. The issues that keep coming up here on NB are usually triggered, not so much by what MOST democrats say or do, as by the way the MSM presents it. I will wager that 90% of moderate Democratic positions or statements will wind up buried in the middle of the paper. The MSM feeds off,thrives on the most extreme left statements. Recent times have showed them to be perfectly willing to create false photographs or political or military reports to substantiate THEIR position, not the position of either party. There must be laws somewhere to make tha illegal. (In addition to the laws regarding treason which are not being applied.)