Greenland Ice Find Debunks Al Gore’s Global Warming Theories

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By Noel Sheppard | July 7, 2007 - 10:19 ET

Just in time for worldwide concerts to draw attention to the planet’s imminent doom at the hands of anthropogenic global warming, a new find in Greenland suggests that much of the hysteria in Al Gore’s schlockumentary “An Inconvenient Truth” has absolutely no basis in scientific fact.

Even though this study will likely get little to no attention from a media in full fawn mode over Gore and his Live Earth concerts, the findings throw a huge monkey wrench into alarmist warnings of climate-related devastation to the planet and species offered as reasons for developed nations to radically change behavior.

As marvelously reported by the Boston Globe Friday (h/t Benny Peiser, emphasis added throughout):

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An international team of scientists, drilling deep into the ice layers of Greenland, has found DNA from ancient spiders and trees, evidence that suggests the frozen shield covering the immense island survived the earth's last period of global warming.

The findings, published today in the journal Science, indicate Greenland's ice may be less susceptible to the massive meltdown predicted by computer models of climate change, the article's main author said in an interview.

"If our data is correct, and I believe it is, then this means the southern Greenland ice cap is more stable than previously thought," said Eske Willerslev, research leader and professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Copenhagen. "This may have implications for how the ice sheets respond to global warming. They may withstand rising temperatures."

How can that be? After all, soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore – who has had absolutely no training in the relevant areas of science despite the media belief that he is indeed the foremost expert on the subject – says Greenland is going to thaw in the near future with devastating repercussions. Surely he can’t be wrong:

A painstaking analysis of surviving genetic fragments locked in the ice of southern Greenland shows that somewhere between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, the world's largest island had a climate much like that of Northern New England, the researchers said. Butterflies fluttered over lush meadows interspersed with stands of pine, spruce, and alder.

Greenland really was green, before Ice Age glaciers enshrouded vast swaths of the Northern Hemisphere.

Wait. Isn’t the debate over and the science settled on this issue? It appears not:

More controversially -- and as an example of how research in one realm of science can unexpectedly affect assumptions in another -- the discovery of microscopic bits of organic matter retrieved from ice 1.2 miles beneath the surface indicates that the ice fields of southern Greenland may be more resilient to rising global temperatures than has been forecast. The DNA could have been preserved only if the ice layers remained largely intact.

A scenario often raised by global warming specialists is that Greenland's ice trove will turn liquid in the rising temperatures of coming decades, with hundreds of trillions of gallons of water spilling into the Atlantic. This could cause ocean levels worldwide to rise anywhere from 3 to 20 feet, according to computer projections -- bad news for seaport cities like Boston.

But the discovery of organic matter in ice dating from half-a-million years ago offers evidence that the Greenland ice shield remained frozen even during the earth's last "interglacial period" -- some 120,000 years ago -- when average temperatures were 9 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they are now. That's slightly higher than the average temperatures foreseen by most scientists for the end of this century, although some environmentalists warn it might get even hotter.

Incredible. And, as many scientists have been claiming regardless of such falling on deaf press ears, this indicates just how nonsensical and worthless climate models proclaiming imminent planetary doom are:

Researchers from the Danish-led team said the unanticipated findings appear to fly in the face of prevailing scientific views about the likely fate of Greenland's thickly-layered ice, although Willerslev stressed that the findings do not contradict the basic premise that the earth's temperature is rising to worrisome levels, with gases emitted by industry, cars, and other human activity playing a big role.

"But it suggests a problem with the [computer] models" that predict melting ice from Greenland could drown cities and destroy civilizations, according to Willerslev.

Think this will be headline news during Live Earth weekend?

No. Neither do I. Regardless, it certainly makes watching the concerts more comical!

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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I saw this yesterday and reli

I saw this yesterday and relished every word. It still sounds good today. I love it when a plan comes together, or Als' falls apart.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

He belongs back under the roc

He belongs back under the rock he crawled out of.

Pickersenior  - "If liberals didn't live it, it doesn't exist."

So many Gorolytes in one pl

So many Gorolytes in one place(Gargoyles are them grotesque statues spewing rain waters from roof through their mouth making a gargling sounds) I find the word Gorolytes is a perfect fit for these Twits.

I could watch it I guess but Al Gore is such a Stomach turner and I Have to have breakfast.

The Liberals have become what they hate.

Goregoyles n. 1. Evil-faced poseurs spewing junk science...

Goregoyles n. 1. Evil-faced poseurs spewing junk science from gaping, foul-smelling orifices. Created fear and panic among the weaker-minded adults and small children, but were finally proven to be mythical boogeypersons who couldn't even find a closet to hide in.

AGW and European Scientists

It appears that scientists, in Europe, are leading the way in research that disputes the "consensus" opinions being presented.  I have no reason to believe there aren't scientists, in the U.S., who disagree with many of the predictions being made by the Gorebal Warming people but, it appears, they are under unique pressures, such as having their funding pulled, if they speak out.  Apparently, in other countries, the truth counts more than consensus.

The question I ask, is will the truth come out before Gore is successful in destroying the economies of the world with his policy endeavors.  As was noted, in some media outlets today, Sen. John Dingell is preparing to send a carbon tax bill out for consideration, as a means of showing people just what the fight, against AGW, is going to cost them, in real money.  Are Americans ready to pay this price, based on the specious science being presented at this time?  Somehow, I doubt it.

Never argue with an idiot.  They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

“But the discovery of organ

“But the discovery of organic matter in ice dating from half-a-million years ago offers evidence that the Greenland ice shield remained frozen even during the earth's last "interglacial period" –“

Noel:

By reprinting this and using it as denier evidence, you are certainly treading on thin ice.  Remember, many of your fellow deniers think the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Skating away on the thin ice of a new day, Dave High

think the earth is only


think the earth is only 6,000 years old.

What makes you think that? I mean, besides the fact that it is what DU or MoveOn told you to think.

I have no idea how old the earth is. (Neither do you) Could be 6,000 years old. Could be Billions of years old.

Dave High

Scooter Libby 

I guess you're referring to w

I guess you're referring to what your people call nutty Christians. Well, there probably are a lot of true believers out there. But may I remind you that your "true believers" think that in 10 years the only ice left will be at the Marriott. Now, who's nuttier?

Dave

Dave,

Is this what I went to bat for you for to get you reinstated as a member a few months ago -- so that you could do drive-by derisions of writers, members, and readers?

You make me very sorry I did, and lead me to not want to do so again in the future for the next former loathing liberal asking for his/her membership back.

Are you proud of how you are representing the liberal view here? After all, your continually snide opening remarks at any thread you enter confirms that which makes it so difficult for conservatives to take any of you seriously enough to want to engage in a civil dialogue.

Yet, hypocritically, folks like you complain about the caustic tone of politics in the nation coincident with failing to recognize how much your behavior is the precipitating factor.

You must be very proud.    ns  

Noel,I think you should leave

Noel,

I think you should leave him be.  He's aptly representing the Liberal viewpoint which is, with very few exceptions, not defended by logic, thought and fact, but merely by denigrating anyone who isn't a Liberal.  By dismissing someone as a Nazi, or a nut or a hate-mongering racist, or whatever, you don't have to actually argue the merits of any issue. 

mattm,I agree. Dave does an e

mattm,

I agree. Dave does an exceptional job of representing authentic "liberal logic" (damn, I think my monitor just cracked) here at NB. Just look at his post above, where he managed to insult Noel, as well as insult the intelligence of most of the members here, and also showed himself to be an anti-Christian bigot-practically all in the same sentence. Hell, even tumbler couldn't do that.

Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.

Thanks.  You guys need some

Thanks.  You guys need some perspective.  It might as well be me.

Dave High

Good point. I never tire of h

Good point. I never tire of hearing the out-of-touch dumbass perspective. You provide a valuable service, Dave!

RtS:As an "out of touch

RtS:

As an "out of touch dumb ass" I respect your admission that I might provide something?" 

Liberal Regards, DAH

Dave, You never responded t

Dave, You never responded to my post this morning:


think the earth is only 6,000 years old.

What makes you think that? I mean, besides the fact that it is what DU or MoveOn told you to think.

I have no idea how old the earth is. (Neither do you) Could be 6,000 years old. Could be Billions of years old.

Why not? You didn't have a talking point to handle the situation?

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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

Kevin Federline, Cato Kaelin,

Kevin Federline, Cato Kaelin, and Paris Hilton provide something, too. Providing "something" merely means you offer a product. Not necessarily a product worth consuming, admiring, or paying attention to, but a "product" nonetheless.

You can take a dump into your right hand, and offer that up as a "product". It would not sell very well and would probably give people the impression you are a "out-of-touch dumbass".

But, by all means, keep posting that "product" you are so proud of.

Sorry Noel, but you conservat

Sorry Noel, but you conservatives have been burning down the house with your false rhetoric for far too long.  I am sorry if you can’t reconcile the fact that you cite scientific premises to prove your anti-global warming position that fly in the face of your faith. 

Answer me this:  Do you trust science, or your faith?  Honest to God, you can’t have it both ways.  In your opinion, is the earth billions of years old, or just 6,000?  Please answer.

Regards, Dave High

Dave the same God who created

Dave the same God who created this universe also inspired the writers of Scripture if you see a contradiction then you are misunderstanding one or the other or both

Scooter Libby

 

And Dave the 'you' is poetic

And Dave the 'you' is poetic it includes me and everybody else. 

Dave, out of curiosity what d

Dave, out of curiosity what did you do  to get kicked out of here r. In no way am i making fun of you. I really want to know what the guidelines are?

When I joined this site, I thought this is one of those sites like redstate.com and had zero tolerence.for Liberal views. Well, I was wrong  I have seen how long tumbler lasted. This site has let far out liberals on the left like Monty, Smart Liberals like Leon, and a left of center joe schmoe like me stay on as members. . Yet they kicked out Mobius and Billadkins.  I agree with letting American Rhetoric Reiview go. Anyways Dave I would like to hear your side of story on why you got kicked out.

Smart Liberals like Leon  

Smart Liberals like Leon  

Since when did "Smart" mean "Talking Point Regurgitator"?

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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

Here's how Leon described him

Here's how Leon described himself:

 I think you're learning a thing or two from me. That's a backpeddle of a much more superior nature than I would generally expect from you. Bravo, and Bravo!

Now that's progress! If you work hard enough, perhaps you can move from apprentice spinmeister to journeyman spinmeister 

In English  1) a denier of what he says  and  2) a liar

Come on botg. Lets be realist

Come on botg. Lets be realistic, the msn was biased for Coulter in Chris Mathews Show. Even though I feel Leon crossed the line on some comments, you was reacting after being attacked.

That conversation you are quoting was after you were egging him on, and it is out of context.

Shawn, they are his words 

Shawn, they are his words 

I realize they are his words

I realize they are his words botg. Those words were said  after he asked you guys to define what victory was.. Then you"botg" decided to point out Leon was not talking about the original heading of a thread. Then people all over give you high fives for giving it to the troll.

I do not agree with everything Leon says, but I say he is smart.

Actually Shawn in the thread

Actually Shawn in the thread Leon had opportunity to say he had mis-spoke.  He chose not to.  Leon had opportunity to define victory.  He chose not to.

Also i only brought up that he was not following the original thread AFTER he accused someone else of taking the thread off topic.

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

botg, I found the whut-chutak

botg, I found the whut-chutakinbout kinda funny the first time, not the 8th time. Some critized Leon about wanting Tony Blair to eat crow. Leon asked what their definition of winning is. He got flamed and was given and answer, but certainly not from you. After no own answered you deflected in back. You know me full and well botg if there is media bias, i point it out as well. Of course people cheer you on. Look at the audience.

I only used wha-chu 4 times i

I only used wha-chu 4 times i think definately not 8.

We get along Shawn because we are able to learn and admit when we need to learn.  Leon does not exhibit that quality imho. 

I actually stayed back through most of it until Leon's hypocrasy in accussing someone else of being off thread.  Then when he admitted his mastery of backpeddling and journeyman spinmeister to Blonde well i couldn't resist.

I don't remember being cheared on BT agreed with me and Blonde had her own thing going on.

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

Yes i admit I embelished on t

Yes i admit I embelished on the whatcutakinbouts.:) I agree, lots of people just went along with the fact Leon changed the topic, when it was clearly you.

i changed the topic?“The wa

i changed the topic?

Leon Says:July 5, 2007 - 21:01

psssst LK,

I ignore off-topic posts. Just for future reference. You don't need to do the crickets chirping. We get it.

botg Says:July 5, 2007 - 21:10

Wha-chu talkin bout leon?  This thread is about the PM of England and you've gone off then complain that someone else has derailled your derail?

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

Leon asked a direct question.

Leon asked a direct question. The other poster did not respond and was tired to send links. You then pointed out Leon was not staying within the boundries of the thread.

You then pointed out Leon was

You then pointed out Leon was not staying within the boundries of the thread.  Yes, right after he said i ignore off topic posts, i reminded him that the whole conversation was off topic

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

Not to mention Leon proved o

Not to mention Leon proved once and for all that he IS reading deficient....by responding to me (with stupid questions...whatever did I mean???, natch) about something you said (thanks, Brucie!).

Blonde you and I know each ot

Blonde you and I know each other well and I know you have a temper. I am walking on eggs shells I know but......Leon asked what somebodys version of Victory is. No an answered and botg said it was not sticking to the topic of the thread. After more flaming said Kill  someone told Leon we have to kill all the Evil people or something like that. Yes some of him comments were neener nenner style but only after you guys egged him on. I believe one poster told him to "go to hell"

Read it again, Shawn.With a p

Read it again, Shawn.

With a particular thought in mind.  Read what your pal Leon tries to say I said.  Then re-read for what I actually said.

You need to learn to look at this kind of stuff with a discerning eye.

Your pal Leon, at the end of this particular encounter, attempted to portray me as angry.  In almost every single post I told him how silly and amusing I found his illegal leaps of logic to be.

And yeah, I quoted Mr. Bishop's definition of victory, which is about as good a definition as I've ever read...yet Leon willfully misinterpreted it. 

So, if you choose to defend your lib friend, so be it.  But that's not terribly smart.

Yes Blonde, I did read it &qu

Yes Blonde, I did read it "twice"  The converstation was already off topic. He asked a direct question, then the question was delflected. I realize you do not like Leon very much. He seems to really press your buttons. You aswered with Mr. Bishops idea, abou  deafeating all the Islamics is vague at best.

Forget it Shawn.Stick to your

Forget it Shawn.

Stick to your liberal principles.

If you don't get it...I don't have the patience to explain it to you (again).

Don't forget Blonde, you the

Don't forget Blonde, you the one who told me not to hold back, even when I was debating you. so that is the way I see it. Prove me wrong.

Sauce for the goose, Shawn.Re

Sauce for the goose, Shawn.

Read my post directly above (below?  depends on your browser setting) yours.

You've already been proved wrong.  Not my problem that you're too stubborn to see it.

Dizzy

I'm getting dizzy.

Can't we just talk about Clarissa Ward & Laurie Dhue instead? ;-)

I say he is smart.

I say he is smart.

You are entitled to your opinion. I have yet to see anything from him that makes me agree with you.

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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

Simple answer: I didn't get k

Simple answer: I didn't get kicked out. I intentionally changed my password (randomly) so I couldn’t sign myself on again.  I did so because I thought I was spending too much time posting negative comments at this site and at the detriment to my family.  After a hiatus, I sought to rejoin you all.  Noel agreed to help me.  For your knowledge, I do not post at any other site.  I kind of like you guys because we are so different.  I am sorry for the times that I offend, but in truth, I mean it in humor and to inspire debate.

Warmest Regards, Dave High

Post Script – Kudos for NB for allowing me in.

Ok so no one kicked you out.

Ok so no one kicked you out. You left out of Protest? Why???

Shawn:This is not about me, b

Shawn:

This is not about me, but since you asked, here is my final answer:  "I am sorry for the times that I offend, but in truth, I mean it in humor and to inspire debate."

Warmest Regards, Dave High

Dave......that sounds like a

Dave......that sounds like a riddle. Simple question. why did you want to leave town. You sound a retired porn star. If you do not want to answer, why o you not answer?

Dave H,The term "day&quo

Dave H,

The term "day" has several meanings in the Bible. In some cases, it means a thousand years (ever heard of the 7 day theory?). Biblical scholars far more learned than myself have been debating this subject since the creation of the profession itself. Yes, there are those literalists out there who truly believe the Earth was created in six solar days, but I personally know very few Christians who actually believe this. Actually I know two, to be exact.

As for the Earth being only six thousand years old, that is a no-brainer, as the Old Testament (which is essentially a history of the Jewish people as well as a prophetic work) only goes back that far, yet we know full well there were cultures that existed prior to that time.

Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.

Dave High

Dave,

Excuse me, but how do you know what my faith is? Have I ever told you? Frankly, that's not something I've ever discussed with anyone here. As such, like most of your ilk, you are jumping to a specious conclusion.  ns

Dave is one of those Liberals

Dave is one of those Liberals whose every argument revolves around that stupid Christianity thing they are afraid of. I wonder if Dave sits beneath a crystal pyramid, facing due north, while his waif-like fingers compose his "product" to be offered to the NB masses? Surely, Dave hasn't been trying to goad people into silly arguments about religion, doing something as sophomoric as taking shots at Christianity in every post, has he? Naaaah. That would be something a troll would do.

RtS:I am in fact the Stewards

RtS:

I am in fact the Stewardship Chair at my Unitarian/Universalist church.  After 9/11, I became a non-believer because no god could possibly blow up so many people at once in the name of ... god.

Regards, Dave High

so you find free-will incompa

so you find free-will incompatable with God?  i reason just the opposite:  a true God requires free-will

btw:  we only see the results here, not the whole picture of eternal consequences (our life here compared to eternity is less than one hour in kindergarten compared to a lifetime)

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

After 9/11, I became a non-be

After 9/11, I became a non-believer because no god could possibly blow up so many people at once in the name of ... god.

God didn't kill those people, Dave. They were killed by a band of fanatical Muslims who had allowed themselves to be convinced by a bunch of illiterate mullahs (who seem to be the people in charge of Islam these days) that they were, in fact, carrying out the "will" of God, or, in this case, Allah.

They were only doing what the Qu'ran commands of all Muslims, and that is to either tax, convert, or kill all non-believers. Of course , the 9/11 attackers skipped the first two elements of that edict and went straight to the third. It doesn't get more evil than that.

BTW-Dave, you should know that I do not consider Islam to be a religion. I consider it a political movement, period.

Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.

As an athiest, I've noticed t

As an athiest, I've noticed there are 2 groups that say they don't believe in god.

Group one, as myself, just don't believe in god. Religion is a personnel area of faith. Faith and science are not exactly the same thing. We just don't believe it. No big deal.

Then there are people who are angry at god. Because god did or didn't do something. But to claim intellectual superioty because "no god could possibly blow up so many people at one time"?

Sorry if I consider you a POed christian.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

You are correct Noel, I do no

You are correct Noel, I do not know your faith.  I was only trying to draw you out.  It must be difficult for you, as a public figure, to keep your faith private while you espouse scientific truth.  Generally, in our Christian country, the two don’t mesh.  I was, in a backhanded way, giving you the opportunity to reconcile faith with scientific truth.

Regards, Dave High

 

giving you the opportunity to

giving you the opportunity to reconcile faith with scientific truth

which is much easier to do than reconciling the big bang with athesim 

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

Huh?DH

Huh?

DH

I have no problem with the cr

I have no problem with the creator of the universe being the same God who inspired the writers of Scripture such thyat they exhibit a harmony.  If there is a seeming contradiction between our interpretation of Scripture and our interpretation of science then one interpretation or the other (or both) are wrong.

The big bang theory postulates that everything appeared in a cosmic explosion 13.8 billion years ago.  If there is no God (cause) then:

Nothing created everything out of nothing (impossible since 'nothing' has no actual existance)

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

good night Dave“The way to

good night Dave

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

The creation of the universe

The creation of the universe is truly a mystery. I expect it will always be.  It is not adequately explained by scripture.  The folks 2,000 years ago had far less understanding of the universe as we now have.  We are greater in wisdom than they were. Cementing the future to the past isn't helpful.  Looking forward with the knowledge of the past is a good thing.  As Micky said about Life cereal, “Try it, you’ll like it!”

Regards, Dave High

High Dave, Your comment rem

Dave High,

Your comment reminded me of a post I made to botg a week or so ago in the forum area of this site...

http://newsbusters.org/node/13678

It's near the bottom with regard to the interpretation of Scripture.

hydrothat's a long forum“Th

hydro

that's a long forum

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

The creation of the universe

The creation of the universe is truly a mystery  So when a logical argument is presented which you can not answer you fall back on the 'mystery' of the gaps?  i have not enough faith to trust in mystery

It is not adequately explained by scripture well if you mean the scientific details are not contained there-in you are correct, Scripture is about salvation for people who mess up, but it does contain the broad overview.  How would you explain the creation event to shepherds over 4000 years ago?

We are greater in wisdom than they were. i think Dave that we have more knowledge but wisdom?  That's a horse of a different color which tends to reside in individuals. 

As Micky said about Life cereal, “Try it, you’ll like it!” Been there, done that

Be assured Dave that i have been where you are in your beliefs i will pray for you to be humble enough to hear.

And i'll leave you the last word

Hey Dave, why are the other p

Hey Dave, why are the other planets warming, too? Answer that before you make any more snide remarks about man-made global warming sceptics.

BTW, I think the Earth is billions of years old.

Remember High dave. Many warm

Remember High dave. Many warmers haven't a clue as to what science is.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Dave, it matters not if the E

Dave, it matters not if the Earth is 6000 years, or 6 billion years old. There is no absolute proof of the exact age of the Earth. What dose matter is that it was created by the Creator, (God). How and when is not improtant. We are not aware of his time line or how he measures time. The finding in Iceland is valad. Weather it is from 500,000 thousand years or 5000 years ago, the finding is relative. If the Earth is only 6000 years ago, this finding may be from that era of the beginning. You libs always try to pin down exact dates, and it cannot be done by digging or drilling. All anyone can do is guess.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Bass:In about two weeks I wil

Bass:

In about two weeks I will be taking my boys (19,16,14) and some of their friends to Ocracoke, NC.  I have rented (as I always do) a 24’ boat with a 90 horsepower outboard.   My favorite line so far was my eldest son saying, “Dad!  This fish is so big it is jerking the rod out of my hand!”

 I think we all have something in common.

In Peace, Dave High

Dave, I have an 19 foot boat.

Dave, I have an 19 foot boat. Love it. There is a 150 HP merc on it. It will run around 70 mph or so, but I rarely run it wide open. She cruises out real nice around 50 or a little less. Depends on the water. A 90 horse motor on a 24 foot boat would really strain the motor to get it on plane, unless your talking about a pontoon boat. That I can see. I work to fish, not fish to work:-)

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Bass:In Ocracoke, NC I pay a

Bass:

In Ocracoke, NC I pay a great guy (http://www.ocracokei...) $700 to rent a fun boat for a week.  It is like a big, ole’ bathtub with an engine because the water is so shallow in the Pamlico Sound, anything with a keel would require someone with knowledge.  I have no illusions that I am a great fisherman.  Frankly, at fishing, I suck.  I have done it all my life and have never gotten better at it.  But I do enjoy taking the boys out for a fun ride and hopefully a nice fish.  We have caught everything from flounder to clams.  And so it goes.  Mostly I fish out of my two 15’ Grumman canoes.  The first was owned by my grandfather and was one of the first Grumman canoes ever made.

Regards, Dave High

 

High, Dave!

High, Dave!

Reconciliation

How do you reconcile your delusion with the fact that some of us conservatives are in fact atheists?

Keep trying to paint the Right with that monolithic paintbrush of yours... 

MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!!  THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!

Unsane:I am not the least bit

Unsane:

I am not the least bit surprised that some conservatives are atheists.  Belief in God is a personal matter.  What does it have to do with politics?  I guess your confusion lies around the fact that most conservatives are Christians, at least in this country anyway.

Regards, Dave High

Explanation, or lack thereof

This explains your initial post on the subject not at all.

Not to mention the following response to Unsane from Dave High back in January or so:

"I have never met an atheist conservative before.  Do you piss sideways?"

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Even in the face of this new

Even in the face of this new research data, the alarmists are still blaring their horns.

"...although some environmentalists warn it might get even hotter".

Look at how some warn that it might get hotter. Wow! All speculation; nothing to back it up other than someone's opinion.

"...although Willerslev stressed that the findings do not contradict the basic premise that the earth's temperature is rising to worrisome levels, with gases emitted by industry, cars, and other human activity playing a big role"

Two points: The data show that it's been much warmer in the past, so how in the world is this "worrisome"? I would clasify it as "natural", instead. And, what evidence is there that human activity is playing a big role, especially since there were no humans around during the last warming period 120,000 years ago?

These people don't ever give up in the face of evidence, facts, history, and common sense, do they?

Once again, the mighty pillar

Once again, the mighty pillar of AGW, the computer model, fails to "predict" an observed (already took place) condition.

Dahlia,In my computer model t

Dahlia,

In my computer model the Goracle has oatmeal for brains, must be true computer models don't lie.

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

H'mm, interesting theory, bot

H'mm, interesting theory, botg.  Yes, we should go forward with the results of your computer model as a working hypothesis and begin selectively looking for evidence to support it.

And Gorophytes, please do not bother producing a brain scan demonstrating otherwise.  AGW scientists have insisted that observed conditions are no reason to discard an otherwise perfectly good computer model.

Ah sweet theories Batman!!!!c

Ah sweet theories Batman!!!!

check out this one!!!!!!!!!!

YIKES!!!!!   BONK!!!!!  KABLAMMOOOO!!!!

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

botg -Thanks for the link. 

botg -

Thanks for the link.  That was spectacular!

botg INCREDIBLE!!! I

botg

INCREDIBLE!!!

I have NEVER seen or heard of this theory before but it is spectacular!

Everybody...this is a great link that shows the Earth EXPANDING! We've all heard of plate tectonics. We've all heard of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the East Pacific Rise. They are plausible explanations for part of the explanations about Gaia splitting apart...but I NEVER heard a theory that there was once a much smaller planet that EXPANDED.

Is it just me or are there Biblical implications here?

Templar (may i call you Simon

Templar (may i call you Simon?)

Either

1  there is a hollow vacuum in the center (impossible it would suck in the atmosphere and we'd all be in heaven

2  there is a continual appearance of matter being created (also impossible)

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

botg, Not Simon. There

botg,

Not Simon. There were 9 original Templars. They are my favorite group in all of human history.

How about this...bad souls go to hell....the underworld...below the surface of the Earth. Full house and then some? Gotta make room...move Australia over!

Actually...I believe most people are basically good. This is absolutely tongue-in-cheek. I would be horrified if this "theory" was accurate.

But you know...if we all lived as if it were true...what a wonderful world it would be!

Sorry Templar is this the his

Sorry Templar is this the history you speak of?

if we all lived as if it were true...what a wonderful world it would be!

Agreed and i do believe in justice      we might not see it until we die

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

botg, The fifth paragrap

botg,

The fifth paragraph from your own reference:

The vulgar notion that the Templars were as wicked as
they were fearless and brave, has not yet been entirely exploded; but
it is hoped that the copious account of the proceedings against the
order in this country, given in the ninth and tenth chapters of the
ensuing volume, will tend to dispel many unfounded prejudices still
entertained against the fraternity, and excite emotions of admiration
for their constancy and courage, and of pity for their unmerited and
cruel fate.

It's easy to make anyone look bad when you can rewrite history. I read boatloads of history - especially about the KT. Read the transcripts from their trials...all hear say evidence delivered second and third hand.

We are WAY off topic here....I will simply thank you for your BRILLIANT link and, again, direct you to your own documentation.

And for those simply looking in who condemn the Knights and the Crusades in general:

1) When did the first crusade occur? 200 YEARS after Islam began to spread by the sword.

2) What had Islam done by then? Conquered/slaughtered HALF of Christendom.

3) How long did the Kingdom of Jerusalem last? Roughly 200 years. Was it worth it? (Have our freedoms for 200 years been worth it?)

Think about it...for 200 years, one Christian country after another was conquered/slaughtered. When HALF of Christendom was GONE!!!!! the first Crusade was called.

This is ancient history. There are MANY unknowns and there is now way to know (with certainty) the truth. But there are ways to form opinions and that is all I have. An opinion.

Philip the Fair (King of France) wanted the Templar treasure after a mob chased him into the temple in Paris and he saw the answer to his financial problems. He orchestrated (through his proxy on the Papal throne) the arrest of the Templars in one fell swoop across Christendom on the original Friday the 13th.

Bottom line...(and yes...this is just my opinion and worthless beyond that) the Knights Templar were dedicated holy warriors for God against Islam. Gosh...what's going on in the world today? Could it be a HOLY WAR? YES! And only one side knows it.

At this late date in history, we view the concept of fighting for religion as abhorent. Most of human history would view our concept of fighting for mere politics as abhorent. We like to think we have progressed so very far. The only two world wars and the incredible slaughter they represent occurred whithin the last 100 years. Yeah...that's progress!

I'll check it out“The way t

I'll check it out

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts 

You impress me!

You impress me!

I accept that the truth about

I accept that the truth about the Templars is fleeting. As so much we know about them was written by their enemies.

Though I don't doubt that the French Crown wanted the Templar wealth. Which looks to have been extensive. They created the original travelers check. 

But I was of the impression that the Crown was so indebted to the Templars, there was no way to repay France's debts. Being in debt to an independent group who was also a potent military presence... Rather than try to repay. The plot was hatched with the Vatacan to bring them to trial as heritics or worse.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

The Earth is Sweating Naturally

The Canadian research is actually worrying about a coming global
cooling to earth based upon the silt records in British Columbia on the
long term solar cycles as in a minnie ice age is due in the next
decades.

I was watching Jeopardy the other week and one of GlobAL
Gore, 1000 volunteers he sent out to spread the myth was on and Alex
Trebec mentioned about the ice sheets thickening and yet he said, "I
still believe in global warming".

These idiots can see
scientific fact and still chant the myth. Trebec has an excuse, but
when you get money grubber "professors" like Galen McKinley out of
Wisconsin "refuting" facts from climatologists due to the fact she is
making a huge salary living "studying" how Lake Superior affects global
warming it is nothing but a sham exposed.

The University of
Wisconsin gets funding by propagating the myth. These European
"scientists" went to Greenland knowing they would find melting and gee
when they got there they found out they were being lied to. What is
interesting in they unlike Galen McKinley actually reported the data
instead of repressing it or going on lying about global warming.

If you notice ALL of the data coming in shows exactly the opposite of global warming.

I will share with the readers my findings in that the sun is actually
heating as the Canadians have found, but it is not cosmic rays alone as
they found but the sun is warming on a bandwidth science has not looked
at yet. This bandwidth resembles a microwave in radiating only the
liquids in a bowl, but not the bowl. This is partly why the ice sheets
are "melting" in the frozen areas. Their explanation is complicated too.

This bandwidth radiation of liquids is causing a slight increase in glacial
flow and a weakening of the ice. This is what is causing the ice sheets
to break off.

See there is no such thing as green house gases
heating anything as it is only water other liquids or mists which are
capable of holding heat. The term is holding heat as they can not
generate heat. All they can do is absorb as much solar heat as the day
allows and immediately start cooling in the night.

NASA is the
place which started this green house gas nonsense in trying to explain
why Venus is "so hot". For the reality of money grubbers like Galen
McKinley and those who never considered it, here are the facts:

Mercury is hot. It is close to the sun. It has no atmosphere.

Venus is hot. It is close to the sun. It has an atmosphere.

Earth is mild. It is perfectly situated by God to the sun. It has an atmosphere.

Mars is cold. It is far away from the sun. It has a thin atmosphere.

Jupiter and Saturn are cold. They are far from the sun, but have thick atmospheres.

In all of the above, it is position from the sun which dictates how hot a
planet is. Jupiter and Saturn being massive and having all of those
gases should be infernos collecting solar radiation and are not. That
blows green house gases completely out of the water as it is the sun
which warms and water is a simple moderation factor.
As I have
written of, the earth is a perfect "body". The atmosphere and oceans
"breathe" and they are like a skin. Right now because of this radiant
solar energy the earth is naturally "sweating" putting more vapor in
the atmosphere NOT TO HEAT THE PLANET, but to cool it. This vapor
moving around naturally increases the core center thickness of glaciers
and is what they are finding. It is though not an ice age event just a
gliche of more vapor.

When a true ice age event occurs, then by
natural means ice thickness increases as the atmosphere rids itself of
sheilding vapors and allows more sun into heating the earth. This is a
remarkable system God created in dealing with moderation of solar
activity.

Now I am not going to win a Nobel Prize which I should
for what God has placed in plain sight as here am I not taking millions
trying to set up a scheme which to destroy Republican forms of
government by filling the pockets of banking cartels so the middle
class has no money or power. All of the above is correct though and
should be awarded the Nobel as it is the first complete explanation of
planet earth's symbiotic moderation.

I do though believe that there is going to be a solar spike of massive radiant heating in the
near future as the frequency of axis shift of the entire solar zone is
about to move into a new cosmic grid. That is something governments
should be investing billions in NOT to stop it as nothing can, but to
provide seven year stockpiles of food, advanced shelter housing to deal
with this spike and the reserves of genetic materials. That is where
the money should be invested and is where screaming masses of people
are going to hopefully haul the Al Gores and Galen McKinley's before
Congress demanding why all that money was wasted on a scheme when
measures to help people could have been in place.

This is the explanation you are not hearing, but it is the Newton truth in God science.

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Global Warming

You have my vote for the Nobel Prize.  Well said.

"I do though believe t

"I do though believe that there is going to be a solar spike of massive radiant heating in the near future as the frequency of axis shift of the entire solar zone is about to move into a new cosmic grid."

wow...

Lame Cherry, Do not misunders

Lame Cherry,

Do not misunderstand what I about to say, but I want to point out a problem with something you said. You indicated that the distance of the planet from the sun determines its temp. While that plays a large role in it, especially considering the Inverse Square Law in regards to solar radiance, it only plays a part.

I would point out to you that the moon is on average  roughly the same distance from the Sun as the Earth. Sometimes it is farther away, sometimes it is closer because of its orbit around the Earth. But on average it is the roughly same distance from the Sun. However you will find large temp differences on the moon. “The temperature at the lunar equator ranges from extremely low to extremely high -- from about -280 degrees F (-173 degrees C) at night to +260 degrees F (+127 degrees C) in the daytime. In some deep craters near the moon's poles, the temperature is always near -400 degrees F (-240 degrees C).”

This is not just because of the moon’s long day/night cycle, although that plays a part. The lack of a significant atmosphere also allows the temp swings to occur.

Later in your post you seemed to admit that the atmosphere does play a role in moderating temps on earth.

Your comment about “new cosmic grid”, well I am not even touching that one…

I am every bit a skeptic that man has played a significant role in climate change up till this point, outside of the Urban Heat Island Effect.

Interesting how global warm

Interesting how global warming skeptics seem to find it necessary to argue against every single aspect of the global warming mechanism. Here is a list of some arguments I have seen presented on Newsbusters (by articles or posters):

  1. Increasing solar irradiance is causing global warming (just look at the other planets).
  2. Increasing temperature causes carbon dioxide release, so carbon dioxide does not cause temperature increase.
  3. Carbon dioxide levels actually fluctuate wildly naturally (see the Beck paper), so today's level is not high by historical standards.
  4. Carbon dioxide