Palin Haters Livid at Juneau Tourism, Outraged Over Little Piper's Lemonade Stand

Palin Haters Livid at Juneau Tourism, Outraged Over Little Piper's Lemonade Stand

By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
May 11, 2009 - 05:29 ET

Tourism has recently been up a little in Juneau, Alaska. More folks than ever have been interested in taking bus tours through Alaska's capital city with a major attraction being the Alaska State House where Governor Sarah Palin goes about her daily work. In fact, the tours have been gaining in popularity since before John McCain asked the governor along for his run for the White House -- Palin being a draw the whole time. The bus tours are so popular that adorable little Piper has even set up a lemonade stand to sell tourists a glass of lemony goodness to quench their thirst for something wet as well as something cute.

And Palin haters in Alaska are livid. They want the bus tours stopped and little Piper's stand razed to the ground. Palin Derangement Syndrome (PDS) strikes again. It's an ugly, ugly thing, this PDS and one man in particular is leading the charge but curiously enough his long past of agitation and his criminal record don't quite seem to be making any of the stories in the Old Media.

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The Juneau Empire has a story of the venom filled Theodore "Chip" Thoma that has cavorted about the city erecting crude, hand-made signs shouting that the bus tours should be stopped. He is a vocal opponent of Governor Palin, naturally, and runs a "group" that he has decided to label Responsible Cruising in Alaska.

Thoma apparently calls himself a "political gadfly" as well as claiming to be an "environmental activist." He also has a record of filing nuisance ethics complaints against government officials a fact that stories are not relaying to the reading public. Thoma has a few criminal convictions for drunken driving -- at least four during the 1990s in Alaska, and two others in Oregon -- as well as one for possession of cocaine. (See Thoma v. Hickel (8/15/97), 947 P 2d 816)

Now apparently the unsavory Thoma isn't just mad at the bus tours that he claims will "ruin the neighborhood." As Joseph Russo has discovered, Thoma is also targeting the inoffensive little Piper.

It seems that Governor Palin is so popular with tourists that thousands of people are walking from the docks to the governor's mansion in an attempt to catch a glimpse of the first family. Mr. Thoma feels that this -- along with Piper Palin's lemonade stand, trampoline and buoy swing -- is "bringing down the neighborhood." It seems that Mr. Thoma doesn't enjoy the Palin children very much.

What sort of a sick man would attack a little girl's lemonade stand?

Of course Thoma tired to tell the Anchorage Daily News that this whole anti-bus tour thing “has nothing to do” with the governor and her cute-as-a-button daughter at all. Dutifully, the ADN obliged his claims.

On the other hand, in that same article, Thoma pinpoints every problem he has with the tours to Palin. Oh, and he’s sure she’s out to get him… just like all those other government officials he’s filed nuisance lawsuits against were.

Methinks Mr. Thoma would be better to spend his money on therapy instead of poster paints and sticks.

This story is yet more proof of the hate and underhandedness of the American left. They know they can’t beat their opponents politically, so they harass, accuse, attack and use the media as a lapdog to do so in order to drive opponents from politics. Instead of relying on truth and the strength of their arguments, the left resorts to thug tactics.

In the end, all I can really say is: well, Mr. Thoma, I know who isn't going to get a loving spit-comb!

**UPDATE

Since there was some question by certain types of people if Piper ever had a lemonade stand, here is Piper's Lemonade stand story from the Junea Empire with photo.

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"Thoma has a few criminal

May 11, 2009 - 05:46 ET by forest

"Thoma has a few criminal convictions for drunken driving -- at least
four during the 1990s in Alaska, and two others in Oregon -- as well as
one for possession of cocaine."

Six drunk driving convictions!? The cocaine misdemeanor is small stuff compared to that.

Three strikes and you are out

May 11, 2009 - 09:00 ET by legacyrepublican

With the drunk driving charges, should we not be looking forward to three strikes and your out?

Buy the man a beer! /sarc

Maybe Piper could spit in

May 11, 2009 - 05:47 ET by motherbelt

In the end, all I can really say is: well, Mr. Thoma, I know who isn't going to get a loving spit-comb!

Maybe Piper could spit in his lemonade!!

This guy obviously has too much time on his hands.

They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

Oops

May 11, 2009 - 06:01 ET by DontFeedTheTrolls

Wait a minute, this is Piper Palin, not the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Took me a minute to figure

May 11, 2009 - 06:36 ET by motherbelt

Took me a minute to figure that one out! LOL!

They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

this is more then just insanity

May 11, 2009 - 05:54 ET by jdripper

This is much more then just insanity.

Jack

"If at age 20 you are a conservative then you have no heart. If at age 30 you are a liberal then you have no brains." Sir Winston Churchill

LOL

May 11, 2009 - 06:01 ET by DontFeedTheTrolls

edit

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Where is the outrage?

May 11, 2009 - 06:29 ET by Blogger Guy00001

There is no collective media outrage over this because the innocent little girl is the daughter of a big threat to leftist dominance. Her mother energized millions of people to go out and vote, and the left is scared.

No use trying to understand why leftists do this sort of thing. The leftist thinking apparatus is hopelessly tangled in contradictions, distortions, fallacies, and anger.

The Democrats are never happy

May 11, 2009 - 06:47 ET by 10ksnooker

After their success with their terror wing the KKK, they now pick on women and children. How top shelf can the party of inclusion get.

Palin really drives them up a tree doesn't she.

Where does it say anything

May 11, 2009 - 06:51 ET by JasonC

Where does it say anything about him trying to "shut down" Piper's lemonade stand? Oh right, in the link to "conservatives4palin." I'm sure they're unbiased.

The allegation is so obviously overblown, it would be funny if people weren't taking it seriously.

It's quite obvious from the link that this guy has filed a complaints against something that he - curmudgeonly, I don't doubt - finds to be a nuisance and the Palinaniacs, who seem to enjoy accusing others of being mean to her as much as they themselves enjoy lionizing her, have run with it. The way the article is written, one can't tell if Piper ever actually had a lemonade stand or if that was a rhetorical flourish.

Paliniacs vs Obamanics

May 11, 2009 - 07:08 ET by GeneralAl

Jason C, there are no Paliniacs! There are Palin supporters defending her against the trash thrown at her by you OBAMANIACS! You are the ObamessiahTeleprompter Worship Team! You are the ones who invented and developed the politics of personal destruction. Your Texas boy, LBJ started this in the mid 1950's. You people can never make a solid arguement for a single point that you believe. It always refers back to a "mistake" made by one of us or morphs into a personal attack! You folks are the maniacs who would gladly kiss the messianic butt! We merely support and defend our kind!

Speaking of that, when is your Telepronpter Messiah going to live up to his oath to "Protect, preserve, and defend the Constitution of the United States?" Oh wait, he meant to say "Disect, destroy, and desecrate!"

Amen

May 11, 2009 - 07:33 ET by gmaniac1

I think Jason is the one out in left field, no pun intended. The Obamaniacs make what Jason calls "Paliniacs" look almost non-existent. This woman and her family have taken more vitriol from the left wing loons than Obama had his butt kissed by them. This is just another example of the left targeting someone and trying to destroy them, to include their family members if they have to. Yes, the old Democratic KKK would be proud how they exploit the innocent.

When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!

What does Obama have to do

May 11, 2009 - 08:03 ET by JasonC

What does Obama have to do with this? Look, I know the right is having a collective hissy fit about his tax policies and the fact that all those cute little tea parties weren't taken seriously enough, but I personally am no Obamaniac, and can't even begin to see what he has to do with some guy in Juneau and a right-wing website's attempt to make it seem like that guy personally kicked down Piper's lemonade stand...

Well try to digest this.

May 11, 2009 - 08:37 ET by kg

Well try to digest this. Obama and the DNC as well as the media are out to destroy everything Palin. The media get their daily marching orders from the Obama white house. The Obama campaign were out in full force in Alaska ti discredit her. The guy is a tool to paint a negative picture of Palin. Palin is a threat in 2012 so the Obama white house through the tools in the media are going to keep the pressure on Palin. They also tried destroying her financially with trivial suits that didn't hold water. So in answer to your question about what some drunk in Juneau has to do with Obama, he is a tool to be used for some negative publicity and then thrown under the bus like many other tools used by team Obama.

Now what does back breaking tax policies and U.S. citizens protesting Obama's massive spending have to do with the lemonade stand?

"DumbAssity of Dope"

Wow, unsubstantiated

May 11, 2009 - 09:35 ET by JasonC

Wow, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories with not a single citation or reference. I guess I stand corrected.

Well here in CT

May 11, 2009 - 11:09 ET by NavyBuckeye

you can tune to channels 3, 8, and 10 for your proof. There is at least two hours of reference material a day to use.

“Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter” - Thomas Jefferson

Deleted Duplicate

May 11, 2009 - 11:11 ET by NavyBuckeye

There's actually very good proof of the media bias

May 11, 2009 - 15:25 ET by Lord Erond

Go to libertarian and former democrat contributor John Ziegler's www.howobamagotelected.com and you'll see that his marvellous demonstration of the ignorance of Obama voters when it came to basic facts such as "who controls congress, who said there were 57 states..etc. None of the Obama voters could answer these questions. But when it came to "which candidate had a pregnant teenage daughter?" or "Which candidate said they could see Alaska from their house?" they nailed those answers. And Zogby reproduced the data, thus giving this poll scientific credibility.

The real laugh is that Palin didn't even say that, it was attributed to Tina Fey on SNL.

"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates

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NO BLOOD FOR OIL... BUSHITLER WILL DECLARE MARSHAL LAW!!

May 11, 2009 - 17:41 ET by SRPwrd

Lol, what? We can't use "unsubstantiated conspiracy theories with not a single citation or reference" when you guys so loved them over the past 8 years?

"I believe in American Exceptionalism, just like Brits believe in British Exceptionalism and Greeks believe in Greek Exceptionalism." - PreBO, 4/4/09

While PARTS of the did

May 11, 2009 - 18:09 ET by balboa

While PARTS of the did further unsubstantiated conspiracy theories over the past 8 years, JasonC is not one of them, and shouldn't be lumped in with them.

SRPwrd... Please review

May 11, 2009 - 22:47 ET by JasonC

SRPwrd...

Please review my post from much earlier today:

Once Obama was elected, I figured it was only a matter of time before
various segments of the right would commence behaving in the exact same
way (conspiracy theories, baseless accusations, willingness to believe
anything about the president no matter how ridiculous or demonstrably
false so long as it makes him look bad) as many segments of the left
did from 2000-2008.

Oh wow, look, I criticized the left too, and completely beat you to the punch on your lame counter-argument. Try again.

is JasonC... Fair & Balanced?

May 12, 2009 - 19:13 ET by MrShy

"...various segments of the right would commence behaving in the exact same way"

Hardly "the exact same way", and probably 1/10th of the farfetched, utterly-baseless conspiracy theory stuff that took place all through this decade -- and still takes place.

But is it our turn for a little payback? After 8 years that were insanely and blatantly unprecedented for an administration and what it had to withstand, you bet it is.

But fair enough, JasonC. You, of course, were doing your nobel share of hanging out at leftists sites over these past years, as you do here, surely calling them out daily as well, correct?

You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!

Yea, good?

May 12, 2009 - 19:17 ET by general company

But you have yet to show were the Right takes part in this behaviour? But I do appreciate you acknowledging the lefts very poor behavior.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Wow JasonC

May 12, 2009 - 18:58 ET by MrShy

You've been here so long (which is completely baffling, btw) and yet you're still certain all this silly "liberal media bias" is in our collective heads.

Literally, why do you hang out here? We are absolutely positive of what's going on, and pity those (like yourself) who are apparently programmed to dismiss mountains upon mountains of evidence pointing to a serious problem of rampant agenda-pushing and corruption within both the current administration AND the mainstream media.

You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!

Well only and Obamaniac would even care

May 11, 2009 - 11:38 ET by gmaniac1

to comment over Palin in the first place from what I have experienced. And as far as just a "lemonade stand" well after her Down Syndrome son was accused of not being hers but her daughters (which was joked about freely to be from her father), her teenage daughter's own pregnancy, lies about banning books, condemnation for disavowing her crazy, abusive brother-in-law as political, etc., etc., I can't see why anyone would think that this constant personal attack on her family would be an overreation... unless your an Obamaniac. But Jason, just like typical and quite frankly cowardly lefties, you refuse to admit who you are. However, you had no problem making the same assertion by calling anyone with an opposing view point a "Paliniac." Hmmmm, not too surprising.

When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!

At least Obama didn't say

May 11, 2009 - 12:15 ET by JasonC

At least Obama didn't say any of those things about Palin. The right had plenty of mud to fling at him too, you know, and even Palin herself accused him of "paling around with terrorists."

Though it wasn't quite as funny as "He's...he's an arab!"

What do you mean I refuse to admit who I am. I'm exceedingly liberal. Congratulations, you got me to "admit" it. Most people here already knew. I find Obama to be an interesting president to follow, but I'm not that enamored with him, as he's a bit too conservative for me.

"...but I'm not that

May 11, 2009 - 13:32 ET by Camelopardalis

"...but I'm not that enamored with him, as he's a bit too conservative for me. "

Really? I'm curious, what do you think he can be more liberal about?

Jason, he did "pal around with terrorists" . . . that is a fact

May 11, 2009 - 14:05 ET by pahuber

They may have been domestic terrorists, but it does not negate the fact they were terrorists.

Nice try, JC

May 11, 2009 - 15:57 ET by UndercoverConservative

but if I recall correctly the whole "closet Muslim" thing was traced solidly back to Hillary's office.

The biggest "hate" on Obama came from his own "teammates", other Dems competing for the same spot. We didn't have to do anything but sit back and watch Clinton and Obama's goon squads attack each other.

I've gotta get back to work or i'd be happy to dig up some links.

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No Jason, Obama has done

May 11, 2009 - 16:05 ET by Gary P Jackson

No Jason, Obama has done much worse.

As CNN reported (yes CNN!) way back in September, It was Barack Obama who called the troopers union, and really got the whole troopgate business in high gear.

It was Obama's now White House advisor, Pete Rouse, who interacted with Alaska State Senator Kim Elton, with whom he worked with in Juneau years ago,that rode shotgun on this.

In fact, after it was all said an done, Obama rewarded Elton with a make work job at the Interior Department.

Classic pay for play!

You can read a report I put together on this, here:

http://thespeechatim...

And if you don't think Obama and the DNC aren't driving the bus on all of this nonsense with Palin, then you are not paying attention!

Paling Around With Terrorists

May 12, 2009 - 13:24 ET by nandrelli

Ever hear of Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi?

And do you remember 0bama's reaction the first weekend Palin was announced as McCain's running mate? He kept calling her the "Mayor from Wasilly" (that's right, "silly"), probably unaware that she had been the Governor of Alaska for several years (maybe Alsaka was the one state left to visit after he had visited 57). He said he had more people on his campaign staff than she had in the city government (but only about 10% the number she had working for her in the State government, but he never acknowledged that). And of course, there was his "lipstick on a pig" remark.

And, according to Islamic rules, he IS STILL a Muslim. There is a specific procedure a Muslim is supposed to perform to renounce his Islamic faith, and 0bama, who was indeed born and raised a Muslim, has never performed that ritual. And it was 0bama himself who referred to his "Muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show.

So it doesn't take "unfounded conspiracy theories" to have reason to disrespect this fraud, who has yet to produce any documentary evidence that he is, indeed, a natural-born American citizen. I guess that is something you are willing to take him at his word for. I mean, after all, he should know, he was there when it happened, right?

JasonC, here's your chance

May 11, 2009 - 07:51 ET by ThisnThat

JasonC, here's your chance to do the world a whole lot of good. Write to conservatives4palin and tell them they are a bunch of liars -- that you have good proof that there was no lemonade stand, and that this jerk didn't try to have it shut down too. Show your proof, please, because obviously the world can't rely upon any conservative voice at all to tell the truth. Comeon -- be our hero.

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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

I'm not saying the site is

May 11, 2009 - 07:59 ET by JasonC

I'm not saying the site is lying about a lemonade stand's existence. I'm quite clearly saying that it seems like their mentioning of it was a rhetorical device which is being interpreted literally.

Whether the stand itself exists, I don't really care. What I find nauseating is that this guy's complaints about the tours are being transposed into a case of "Old grump wants to ruin adorable little girl's precious lemonade stand", and there's not a whiff of evidence that that's the case or that said stand even existed. I'm not saying the site invented the existence of a stand, I'm saying that if you read the linked article, it seems just as likely that they made reference to it facetiously.

How Does It Feel?

May 11, 2009 - 09:37 ET by GeneralAl

How does it feel to experience be "Leftistsized?" You mention:

What I find nauseating is that this guy's complaints about the tours are being transposed into a case of "Old grump wants to ruin adorable little girl's precious lemonade stand", and there's not a whiff of evidence that that's the case or that said stand even existed.

Do you remember the cartoon back in January about the cops shooting the ape? It was about the "authorsssss" of the stinkulus bill, namely, Reid and Pelousy! Your side turned it into a rascist attack upon your Telemessiah! Now you get peeved when the shoe is on the other foot! If you can't take it, don't dish it out!

You lefties are such pink tea and lemonade panzies! Do you want a tissue for your tears? Get used to this because you have at least three and one half years left to deal with it. Your Telemessiah is going to get Bushed-Cheneyed-Palined until we drive him and all you Commiecrats out of office!

Well I'm glad to see you

May 11, 2009 - 10:23 ET by JasonC

Well I'm glad to see you admit it general. Once Obama was elected, I figured it was only a matter of time before various segments of the right would commence behaving in the exact same way (conspiracy theories, baseless accusations, willingness to believe anything about the president no matter how ridiculous or demonstrably false so long as it makes him look bad) as many segments of the left did from 2000-2008. I just didn't expect you to be so upfront about it. Good luck driving him from office though. Unlike Bush, Obama has widespread international and media support, and thus far the media has done a pretty good job of portraying the opposition on the right as the work of fringe nutjobs.

As for being pink tea and lemonade panzies - whatever that means - that's pretty funny considering that Palin supporters spend about 10% of their time extolling her ever-so-impressive bona fides (Hockey Mom!) and the other 90% accusing others of being mean to her. Even if it means deploying her cutest child and claiming that this monstrous guy threatened her lemonade stand.

Anyway, as to the point of my original post, have we found any evidence that this malcontent in Juneau in any way made reference to Piper's business venture? Other than some guy on Conservatives4Palin obtusely claiming he did?

Yea ok Jason

May 11, 2009 - 18:05 ET by general company

(conspiracy theories, baseless accusations, willingness to believe
anything about the president no matter how ridiculous or demonstrably
false so long as it makes him look bad)

Show me the "baseless acusations"

I will use this site as proof of the double standard, no doubt you wouldnt.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Ooooh, a link to a partisan

May 11, 2009 - 22:44 ET by JasonC

Ooooh, a link to a partisan website. Y'all just keep coming up with some reeeal compelling evidence of, um, oh wait, nothing.

Nobody really cares what you think you got here, JasonC.

May 11, 2009 - 22:50 ET by pahuber

You keep on keeping up with your supposed smoking gun and a collective yawn ensues. You actually trying to convince anybody?

Apparently people do

May 11, 2009 - 23:10 ET by JasonC

Apparently people do care. There are quite a few replies on this board. So don't put words in others' mouths, ok?

And it's not a "smoking gun". It's a simple observation that this story is nothing but hot air. Anyone who cared to click on the links and give them a bit of attention could have deduced that. Much more fun, apparently, to shriek "He was mean to Piper!"

Debunk it then Jason

May 12, 2009 - 08:24 ET by general company

What isnt true Jason. Calling it a partisan site maybe true, but that does not mean it's content is untrue. Did you forget what this was all about? After all, you did accuse the Right of baseless accusations, I had assumed that a smart guy like you would be ready to debunk a few.

But if hit an run comments are the best you can do, I understand.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Debunk what part of it?

May 12, 2009 - 11:34 ET by JasonC

Debunk what part of it? Everything mentioned on that list could be essentially true for all I know. What I object to is posting a link to pages and pages of material from a partisan website rather than articulating an argument. Imagine if I posted a rant about Bush's incompetency, or Palin's lack of experience. You ask me to back up my blustering points. I post a link to Daily Kos or some official Democratic party website. I'm pretty sure you'd roll your eyes too.

My apologies Jason

May 12, 2009 - 13:21 ET by general company

I thought when you said:

you meant it. I also thought you would like to elaborate on the "(conspiracy theories, baseless accusations, willingness to believe
anything about the president no matter how ridiculous or demonstrably
false" part.

Imagine if I posted a rant about Bush's incompetency, or Palin's lack
of experience. You ask me to back up my blustering points.

I doubt that would stop you, and yea I might ask where and who.

I post a link to Daily Kos or some official Democratic party website. I'm pretty sure you'd roll your eyes too.

I would read and then I may comment.

Lets be clear here, you said: "

conspiracy theories, baseless accusations, willingness to believe
anything about the president no matter how ridiculous or demonstrably
false

All I am asking, do these topics look like baseless accusations ?

Yes?

No? Why?

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Not to cut in here GC, but...

May 12, 2009 - 13:29 ET by SickofLibs

I saw that a while ago and its misleading.

Its limited to only ONE PER DAY!

Yep

May 12, 2009 - 14:55 ET by general company

But I am trying to keep it simple. : ]

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

I think that those items

May 12, 2009 - 15:07 ET by JasonC

I think that those items are highly selective and that it's hyperbolic to list them under the heading "War on Freedom"

Highly selective?

May 12, 2009 - 16:23 ET by general company

What does that mean?

conspiracy theories, baseless accusations, willingness to believe
anything about the president no matter how ridiculous or demonstrably false

They are also my accusations, I am willing to believe them. How are they false?

You gave the impression that we {the right/NB/contributers}make crap up like the left does. We dont, and these are my shared accusations of Obama. Are they unfounded? Because I believe your statement is

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

JasonC's quote #1: The way

May 11, 2009 - 11:14 ET by ThisnThat

JasonC's quote #1: The way the article is written, one can't tell if Piper ever actually had a lemonade stand.

JasonC's quote #2: I'm not saying the site is lying about a lemonade stand's existence.

JasonC's quote #3: Whether the stand itself exists, I don't really care.

LOL. Come on JasonC -- stand up for something, will ya?

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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

That's not the point...

May 11, 2009 - 11:40 ET by gmaniac1

The point is not to stay focused but keep the argument going until you sound right.

When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!

But whether the stand

May 11, 2009 - 11:48 ET by JasonC

But whether the stand existed isn't the point. The point is that no one has produced a shred of evidence that Thoma said anything about Piper one way or the other. It's pretty clear at this point that that was invented out of thin air by conservatives4palin and repeated as news by NB. The only person who did mention Piper and her various little-kid activities was Sarah Palin herself.

ThisnThat

May 11, 2009 - 13:58 ET by Warner Todd Huston

See update for Piper lemonade story from Juneau Empire.

Be sure and visit my home blog PubliusForum.com.

Warner, assuming that I am

May 11, 2009 - 15:18 ET by JasonC

Warner, assuming that I am one of the "certain types", let me point out that, if you read all of my posts on this board, you'll see that I generally take the stand's existence as a given. I was merely pointing out that, the way CfP (your source) phrased it, it would be easy to think that they mean it proverbially. Kind of like when an NBer says to someone who lost an argument and discontinues posting, "Oh, Poster X is taking his ball and going home." There's not really a ball, right? It's a rhetorical device. That's what I though CfP might have been doing, and I appreciate your weighing in to at least set us straight that the lemonade stand does/did exist.

However...

That is not the main point of contention here. The main issue is whether Thoma directly made trouble concerning Piper's lemonade stand or even made reference to it. None of your source material backs this up in any way. Now that we know that CfP meant the stand literally, it seems apparent that this is not an exposure of so-called "Palin Derangement Syndrome" but a transparent attempt to manufacture the appearance of it. And since this and the Juneau paper (in which the only one making reference to Piper's activities is Sarah Palin herself) are your main sources, I'm wondering if you still stand by the general tenor of your story and maintain that Thoma was "picking on" Piper Palin.

Yeah, Warner, I saw that

May 11, 2009 - 16:20 ET by ThisnThat

Yeah, Warner, I saw that before I replied to JasonC -- just to make sure I was on solid ground, first. Thanks.

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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

Jason cannot help but lie or switch tactics. You have to do

May 11, 2009 - 14:11 ET by pahuber

that to try and cover your last ignorant post... funny how he has an acolyte here in this thread.

Please either elaborate on

May 11, 2009 - 22:50 ET by JasonC

Please either elaborate on how I "lied" and "switched tactics" or take your substanceless 2-line commentaries elsewhere.

JasonC has to lie or change tactics. That's how he generally

May 11, 2009 - 22:55 ET by pahuber

argues his points. This is a fact derived from personally experience discussing issues with him here on NB.

There you go, JasonC. Please, don't try to con me JasonC. Remember, you and I have discussed issues and you generally run off with your tail between your legs when you are debunked.

JasonC

May 11, 2009 - 14:18 ET by Ozark_Sunshine

Jason is a typical liberal that changes his "facts" and opinions more often than a teenager does his girlfriend. Jason, how about you and your leftist friends hold Obama accountable for not showing his birth certificate and eligiblity to hold the office of POTUS? You try to hold everything you can against conservatives, when will you have the courage to speak up and hold your own party accountable? Be a man with character and integrity for once and look past the lies of your party, or continue being a worthless, useless sheep.

Oh please, I'm sure you're

May 11, 2009 - 22:56 ET by JasonC

Oh please, I'm sure you're super-consistent in your partisan criticism too. If you want to call someone out on not adequately critiquing Obama, couldn't you at least wait until the discussion at hand is even remotely related to him? You people are obsessed with this; I don't know for sure that he's eligible to be POTUS, and frankly I don't care. I'd rather have him than a Republican with ancestors who were on the Mayflower. He won. Focus on 2012 and on fielding a halfway appealing candidate (maybe one who's not culturally stuck in 1955) for your dinosaur of a political party.

The issue at hand is whether Thoma directly tried to "shut down" Piper Palin's lemonade stand. Not a whit of evidence that he did has yet seen the light of day.

Let me elaborate. One

May 11, 2009 - 10:35 ET by JasonC

Let me elaborate. One commentator writes:

Mr. Thoma feels that this -- along with Piper Palin's lemonade stand,
trampoline and buoy swing -- is "bringing down the neighborhood." It
seems that Mr. Thoma doesn't enjoy the Palin children very much.

But where is Thoma quoted saying anything about Piper? Where does it indicate something concrete that he actually did? Nowhere. We have only this guys vague accusation to go on here.

And what does Warner extrapolate from this?

What sort of a sick man would attack a little girl's lemonade stand?

It's a huge conclusion leap.

UPDATE: Oh look, if you read the Juneau article, it's Sarah Palin, not the man exercising his right to petition for a new regulation in the town in which he resides, who first brought up Piper.

This is a complete sham, an attempt to demonstrate how "vicious" so-called "Palin Derangement Syndrome" is via outright fabrication. Still waiting on a direct quote in which Thoma himself makes reference to Piper and her lemonade stand in any way shape or form. The conservative pro-Palin website has invented this out of thin air.

Sure, just another

May 11, 2009 - 09:38 ET by SickofLibs

Sure, just another "curmudgeon" and just another "rhetorical flourish."

sorry guys

May 11, 2009 - 11:06 ET by candance

I'm kinda with Jason on this one. While it does sound like a bunch of angry busybodies, the only remark about the lemonade stand is a second-hand account that appears on a partisan blog.

yes

May 11, 2009 - 11:34 ET by katainkent

the dots are not connecting for me either. Is there a printed account of this lemonade stand hating - or is the blog the only source.

What I see is a neighborhood that doesn't want a tour. Which I can understand. I lived on a road that was designated "not a through way" and still got used as one to bypass traffic jams. When you have small children and no sidewalk and unusual spikes in traffic - it bites. Maybe part of the money made from the tourism can help ease said traffic by meeting some of the neighbors complaints such as safe sidewalks. (Except the petting zoo comment - thinking there is no resolving that one)

Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall

And meanwhile the NB

May 11, 2009 - 11:51 ET by JasonC

And meanwhile the NB headlines right now include a lemon-oriented logo with the phrase "Palin derangement syndrome hits new low: Juneau paper chronicles ravings of man upset with Piper Palin's lemonade stand."

Oops! Completely and utterly unfounded! And the Juneau paper in fact didn't say anything about a lemonade stand at all. So unless you consider a local man using his first amendment rights to complain about a nuisance in his own town to be a "new low" in so-called PDS, this story is nonsense.

Its sad that this bothers

May 11, 2009 - 11:57 ET by MrSnuggles

Its sad that this bothers you so much, I can just imagine the veins popping out of your head, your face turning red, and the paper in your clench fists.

It's not bothering me. I

May 11, 2009 - 12:07 ET by JasonC

It's not bothering me. I love being right.

Jason, I have never seen you post one time here at NB and

May 11, 2009 - 14:01 ET by pahuber

being correct. That is any post whatsoever.

Yet I am demonstrably

May 11, 2009 - 15:12 ET by JasonC

Yet I am demonstrably correct here.

No, Jason, you are not.

May 11, 2009 - 15:25 ET by pahuber

Having discussed issues with you before I know writing much more is entirely futile.

Do you even know what's

May 11, 2009 - 22:53 ET by JasonC

Do you even know what's being argued here?

OK. Easy enough to prove me wrong. Show me a halfway-credible source which documents Thoma bashing Piper's lemonade stand and calling for it to be dismantled.

JasonC...here comes the troll. Did you read my last post to

May 11, 2009 - 22:59 ET by pahuber

you? Do you remember our discussion when I answered & debunked your view of the Bible advocating slavery?

You just want to shoot your mouth off and try to solve the great lemonade caper and yet...nobody cares.

You are a tremendous waste of time, JasonC.

He's actually right in that

May 11, 2009 - 23:01 ET by balboa

He's actually right in that this article is inaccurate, inasmuch as has been offered by WTH so far.

Bal, I am not surprised by your comment.

May 11, 2009 - 23:07 ET by pahuber

You and JasonC seem to be kindred spirits.

Oh Bal, you got dissed

May 11, 2009 - 23:15 ET by JasonC

Oh Bal, you got dissed, homes!

Seriously, pa, are you going to present any sort of argument or rebuttal here or are you just going to keep saying, in essence, "nuh-uh"? You may know scripture better than I do, but when it comes to constructing logical argumentation, let me assure you that you're way out of your depth.

OMG! Now that is a funny funny post!

May 11, 2009 - 23:21 ET by pahuber

"You may know scripture better than I do, but when it comes to
constructing logical argumentation, let me assure you that you're way
out of your depth."

I had not noticed any of your logic our last encounter. In fact, you ran off after I made my points. You then said something to the effect that your crazy if you do not believe xyz. That was sooo intimidating. Please, put me in my place....I dare you, JasonC.

That wasn't logic, that was

May 11, 2009 - 23:25 ET by JasonC

That wasn't logic, that was me having less of a background in Biblical studies than you.

Every time you post without demonstrating that Thoma tried to shut down Piper's lemonade, you lose a little more.

§ Hello Bal...Anything I should Care about??

May 11, 2009 - 23:16 ET by TheSter

Just Wondering...

I got Games to Play..

Should I Include myself....

....I could be playing Games right now...

Hmmmm...

Ster.

“I'm not drunk, all right. I just have a speech impediment ... "

Brian the Dog - Family Guy

So that would be no? You

May 11, 2009 - 23:05 ET by JasonC

So that would be no? You cannot provide evidence to show that I am wrong here? What a surprise.

You corrected me on a post a month ago? Wow. So relevant.

And frankly, if you were being accused on a widely-read blog of bullying small children, I'm sure you'd think it's a big deal yourself.

JasonC you were not just corrected, but obliterated.

May 11, 2009 - 23:15 ET by pahuber

"And frankly, if you were being accused on a widely-read blog of
bullying small children, I'm sure you'd think it's a big deal yourself."

I takes little or no intellect to know that this angry liberal did indeed bully the children. Liberals are at heart, bullies (see Genine Gerofolo). The hate & bullying tendencies are at the heart of the liberal mind. Watching you here on this thread with hopes of a gotcha seem to reinforce my suspicions of liberals and their reasoning for even being here.

So by all means Jason go ahead and keep up the hope of a gotcha.

You do know that you would be a very very busy person if you were at the KOS doing gotchas and I suspuct your gotcha rate would practically be infinitum.

I takes little or no

May 11, 2009 - 23:22 ET by JasonC

I takes little or no intellect to know that this angry liberal did indeed bully the children. Liberals are at heart, bullies

This is not a persuasive argument. Frankly, it's absurd.

Look pa, this is real simple. Either produce evidence that Thoma so much as made reference to Piper or get lost. You're losing this one badly.

JasonC, if you havn't noticed I am not trying to convince you

May 11, 2009 - 23:33 ET by pahuber

of anything. I am speaking to how you liberals act and feel. These are not just my thoughts, but the thoughts of myself and most likely the majority here at NB's.

The lemonade stand issue you keep harking about? Nobody really gives a damn except the usual four or five trolls.

"Either produce evidence that Thoma so much as made reference to Piper or get lost. "

I will do neither you jackass. Perhaps I want you to understand how I feel about you angry liberal trolls. Or let people know that you run off when you get your butt kicked or the logic knocked into you... either way I am going nowhere.

"You're losing this one badly."

JasonC, you're not very intelligent are you... I am not losing anything because I am just speaking from my heart about what I feel about little angry trolls. The lemonade caper is long past and you are acting like it's some sort of a "triumph of the will" thing...lol

§ Pahuber...Welcome to MY World!!!

May 11, 2009 - 23:39 ET by TheSter

Good Job.

Mabe U heard about me....

I'm Ster.

You are doing GREAT.

Ster.

Except of course that by

May 12, 2009 - 07:24 ET by JasonC

Except of course that by harping on this and not arguing the issue at hand, you become the troll. That's how it works.

Really? Wow JasonC I guess your posts should come with a

May 12, 2009 - 12:18 ET by pahuber

warning.

You are here to be some sort of super hero... exposing us evil conservatives for whatever it is we hold dear.

You have abosolutely no proof, but only inference and speculation.

Keep it up.

I don't even know what

May 12, 2009 - 12:51 ET by JasonC

I don't even know what you're talking about now. I'm not the one who boasted to ster about being some sort of troll hunter. By the way, I'm pretty sure you have to be licensed to do that officially. I believe Blonde handles the red tape on that.

Actually pahuber

May 11, 2009 - 23:30 ET by shawn228

I'm interested in what you have to say on the subject and not on how Jason is so wrong, do you actually have any evidence that the evil person is offended by the lemonade stand, let alone even knew this lemonade stand existed

He had my vote

Read the posts, Shawn

May 11, 2009 - 23:35 ET by pahuber

I do not debate trolls.

Well the subject is the lemonade stand

May 11, 2009 - 23:38 ET by shawn228

I guess I assumed thats the reason we are here and not a flame fest

He had my vote

I cannot help you shawn. Please do not defend trolls.

May 11, 2009 - 23:42 ET by pahuber

My reasons are not to debate w/ trolls, but expose them when needed. If the truth is flaming then so be it.

No that is not the subject w/ me.

If Jason is being trollish

May 11, 2009 - 23:46 ET by shawn228

....I would say so. Party affiliation does not matter to me. The subject is Pipers lemonade stand and what Jason says is true, there is no evidence of the evil democrats having a problem with a lemonade stand

He had my vote

shawn, I do not need your vindication. JasonC is a troll and

May 11, 2009 - 23:53 ET by pahuber

has acted like a troll in the past.

Therefore, when I see him it is open season and fair game. Please do not defend trolls shawn.

§ Sorry Pahuber...I LIKE TROLLS...Happy Time!!!

May 12, 2009 - 00:00 ET by TheSter

Hello....

I Enjoy "Trolls"....

I ...AM... One of the Origional "Troll Busters"...

Ummmm....

Don't Steal My Thunder....

Hehehehehehe....

Ask ANYONE....I Pound TROLLS.....

Ster.

LOL... hi Ster... I have seen your name around.

May 12, 2009 - 00:11 ET by pahuber

I am not very happy with trolls...

You can have at the trolls, they just make this site worthless when they come around. Especially, when I had spent a lengthy time with JasonC last time and all I got was emptiness when his remarks were proven to be crap.

That just deflates the purpose of trying to put effort into a post when the other person just takes a dump & leaves after you have spent quite a bit of time preparing your posts.

Anyway, see you around.

§ Pauhuber...LOL...Trolls are .....

May 12, 2009 - 00:19 ET by TheSter

Amusing...

You gotta have.....

...FANS!!!

Yes...I SAID IT!!!

Trolls....They Latch on YOU!!!!

Seriously....

As soon as you LogOn....there they are!!!

I got mine....

LOL!!!

Ster.

“Twas a woman who drove me to drink. I never had the courtesy to thank her.”
--W.C. Fields

Would you please post a

May 12, 2009 - 07:50 ET by JasonC

Would you please post a link to this last argument you keep crowing about, since you're under the impression that you schooled me so thoroughly. My recollection was that involved either gay marriage or the transgendered mayor, and more to the point, that while you 'proved me wrong' on a point concerning old vs. new testament, you did not win any argument concerning gay rights as a social institution. I.E., you won a battle but have yet to win the war. So if you're going to invoke that victory a month later as evidence of your superior argumentation, let's see it.

You also seem confused as to what a troll is. It is not someone who disagrees with you. It is someone who either posts unsubstantiated claims and then bails out or who posts the same nonsense on multiple pages. The fact that I didn't give you what you felt would have been an adequate thank you when you beat me in an argument on scripture does not make me a troll. The current thread does not make me a troll either. I am advancing an argument - I have done so successfully - and have addressed, as far as I know, every response that I've received. You may mock the importance of my commitment to this topic, but I happen to think that impugning a private citizen and claiming that he's picking on a seven-year-old, when there's no evidence to support that statement whatsoever, is worth commenting on.

It's your diversions on this thread which are troll-like. And meantime, along with a few other posters on this board, you're styling yourself as some sort of troll bounty-hunter, swaggering about the message boards and boasting of your ability to root out so-called trolls. No doubt you'll soon have a witty tagline to this effect. Trust me, it's not that impressive.

No I will not post you a link. You had your chance to respond

May 12, 2009 - 12:22 ET by pahuber

then JasonC. You walked away from the debate with nere a thought after I had taken much of my time to write out the facts and guess what? Here you are again. You are not here to learn Jason you are here to crap all over NB's with your gotchas and reckless accusations concerning the Bible, et al.

Now, a lemonade caper you believe you have cracked. WOW!

I meant for the benefit of

May 12, 2009 - 12:48 ET by JasonC

I meant for the benefit of others, but whatever.

It's not about lemonade, genius, it's about a private citizen being slandered on the basis of reckless accusations from a website that benefited from that slander. I'm talking about C4P, not NB. It's unfortunate that NB picked up the story as if it were legitimate. That's what I've been trying to point out here.

Slandered? Perhaps your ideas are misplaced. As you should

May 12, 2009 - 12:57 ET by pahuber

know, there are many more conservatives slandered in the MSM every day than liberals... it is usually the liberals that do the slandering. So I guess you should rethink your views and come back with a cogent plan of who to defend.

JasonC, you need to go back

May 12, 2009 - 18:33 ET by ThisnThat

JasonC, you need to go back and read WTH's original thread statements -- in total. The first quoted a blogger who made the observation about Piper's lemonade stand, trampoline, and bouy swing. NEXT, read the Anchorage Daily News article, especially the Sarah Palin quote:

"I wanted to offer him to hide Piper's trampoline further in a corner of the yard ... if it's a matter of not giving anyone anything to look at so they'll go away then I'd ask Piper to not giggle so loudly on her buoy swing or bicycle in the yard," Palin said in a written statement.

The only difference between the blogger's quote, and the written statement from the Govenor is the mention of the lemonade stand. All the other things are the same. Now this is where logic comes in -- which, I know, is a failure for lefties, but stick with me -- one of the sources is more complete than the other. The fact that the lemonade stand wasn't mentioned in the Anchorage Daily News article does not make it untrue. WTH has provided another source which shows that the stand exists.

So, as you say -- easy enough to prove you wrong. Which I just did. You're welcome.

___________________________________

The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

No, TnT, you sure didn't.

May 12, 2009 - 18:38 ET by JasonC

No, TnT, you sure didn't. I accept that the stand existed. There is still a lack of evidence that Thoma referenced it specifically, that he was "picking on" Piper.

Not even Superman can see

May 12, 2009 - 19:20 ET by ThisnThat

Logic and deductive reasoning's not your strong suit, eh? Not even Superman can see thru you, JasonC. I've never seen anyone as dense. Put you hands over your face so we can't see you, please.

___________________________________

The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

Great analogy. Really.

May 12, 2009 - 21:45 ET by JasonC

Great analogy. Really. Now show me how I'm wrong about this. You'd be the first.

Here's the information about what Thoma is doing

May 11, 2009 - 16:06 ET by Lord Erond

A Juneau reader, and fan of Governor Palin (a rare breed in Juneau, I'm sure), tells me that Piper Palin has been running a lemonade stand in Juneau. And that one Chip Thoma is the man behind a movement to close it down.

Mr. Thoma leads a group of Juneau residents who are just "sick and tired" of the Palins and the tours that are conducted to the governor's mansion (something that has been occurring in Juneau since the first governor took office). It seems that Governor Palin is so popular with tourists that thousands of people are walking from the docks to the governor's mansion in an attempt to catch a glimpse of the first family. Mr. Thoma feels that this -- along with Piper Palin's lemonade stand, trampoline and buoy swing -- is "bringing down the neighborhood." It seems that Mr. Thoma doesn't enjoy the Palin children very much. Grinch.

The story gets even more bizarre. Mr. Thoma apparently used to spend his time on the docks in Juneau telling tourists to not bother visiting the governor's mansion because Governor Palin was "never in town." Now that Governor Palin is in town, he still has a problem. Go figure.

Mr. Thoma's group has decided to plant "stop tours" signs on the path from the docks to the governor's mansion.

(any questions?)

"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates

"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po

I still have the same one:

May 11, 2009 - 16:13 ET by balboa

I still have the same one: Where is the proof that Thoma wants to close Piper's lemonade stand, that he's attacking "a little girl's lemonade stand?"

I see hearsay, conjecture, but nothing that constitutes Thoma attacking Piper or her lemon drink empire.

Me too, Lord Erond... Why

May 11, 2009 - 16:50 ET by Jer

Me too, Lord Erond...

Why are you simply regurgitating the same hearsay peddled by an obscure pro-Palin conservative blogger as if you have suddenly discovered "smoking gun" evidence corroborating Piper-bashing gossip?

Jer

Seriously. This whole thing

May 11, 2009 - 22:39 ET by JasonC

Seriously. This whole thing is the saddest/cutest little attempt to manufacture nonexistent "PDS" I've ever seen. Cuter than little Piper's lemonade stand, even. C4P and various posters here keep trying to claim that random guys in Juneau are decimating lemonade stands belonging to the daughters of prominent Republican women. That's just so precious.

Still waiting to see what WTH has to say about the complete and utter debunking of this story...

Based on the info provided here...

May 11, 2009 - 22:32 ET by Tailgunner

...it does not follow that Thoma is 'attacking' Piper's lemonade stand.

Yet Conservatives4Palin makes the allegation.

It's hard for me to believe, as some here do, that they would completely fabricate such a story.

I can only suggest, in their defense, that C4P is probably not basing this charge completely upon the Thoma news story. Perhaps there's enough additional local anecdotal evidence to support their claim.

If there is, I'd like to know.

C4P is apparently out on a limb here and needs to put this to bed.

NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE

oh stop mrsnug

May 11, 2009 - 13:11 ET by candance

NB casts itself as the site that exposes smears and exaggerations in the media. Jason has a right to raise his voice when he thinks NB is engaging in a little exaggeration of their own. And instead of giving him that respect, you start flaming him like some Kos kid.

after a decade of being schooled in propaganda

May 11, 2009 - 16:05 ET by UndercoverConservative

you should be proud we've learned so much. Like the domestic terrorists he favors, we're using the same tools manipulated and deceived the nation and the world for our benefit. Sucks doesn't it?

never bring a knife to a gunfight, and don't rely on sane truth when it's proven hysterical lies will win the day. Sometimes the end does justify the means...because you can't sit on high moral ground when you're dead, destroyed, or imprisoned.

Why would anyone think Obama and the Left deserve anything less than what they did to everyone else? They started the Propaganda Wars, attacked culture, religion, truth, science, and the economy, ceaselessly and with more vile and venom with each passing day. MSM is the dispersal mechanism for the unthinkable bioligical weapon no sane group would deploy, but like the Soviets of old, decided a First Strike was survivable. The agreements and treaties were destroyed, now they get to live with the consequences of their actions.

WWW.GS2AC.COM. 2nd Amendment Grass Roots Action in the Bay Area, CA. We're not all "Breakfast Cereal" folks here! :)

Jason, if you cannot tell that the left hates Palin then there

May 11, 2009 - 13:58 ET by pahuber

is no hope for you.

Anybody with six DUI's should be in the slammer...

May 11, 2009 - 06:52 ET by R D Helm

...as they are most definitely a threat to the driving public.

-Dave

The statists aren't coming, they are already here.

Who wants to bet that this

May 11, 2009 - 09:41 ET by SickofLibs

Who wants to bet that this *sshole is STILL driving?

Used to be 3 times, you lose it for ten years. Plus jail time.

PDS

May 11, 2009 - 06:55 ET by GeneralAl

Why doesn't someone start protesting the protester? Every place this brain damaged loon puts up a sign, we should place a counter sign! We will walk him into a trap as he will surely complain about our defacing of public property!

These clowns play the same beat no matter what the words or tune is about. They remind me of the punk who is three cars away from me at a red light with his woofers tweeting away. As my heart jumps from the reverberations caused by his senseless tunes, he speeds off thinking he is an island. Personally, I'd like to place him and all these others on an island!

This PDS, BDS, CDS, RDS, is a lot of BS! Maybe the Conservative brethern who did not vote, voted for McShame for the nomination, or crossed over to the Obamessiah because they were enamored with his words will finally wake up! We cannot be satisfied just to defeat these clowns! We must seek to destroy them! We must bankrupt them, discredit them, prosecute them when they commit fraud [Which is 75% of the time!], and sue them when they slander or malalign our side!

I said before but I say it again! We need to declare an all out war on these thugs and press the battle forward until they are totally wiped out!

There is no substitute for victory! General Douglas MacArthur

I'm registered Independent

May 11, 2009 - 16:07 ET by UndercoverConservative

So I couldn't do anything about McCain. Any chance Romney will be back?

WWW.GS2AC.COM. 2nd Amendment Grass Roots Action in the Bay Area, CA. We're not all "Breakfast Cereal" folks here! :)

gee. spring arrives in juneau

May 11, 2009 - 07:32 ET by gabbyhayes

the bears come out of their holes, the governor has her eyebrows waxed, and tourists start showing up again in Juneau. And the strangest thing happens wherever tourists show up--some people hate 'em. Certainly worthy of a news headline.

So you're saying NOTHING happened yesterday? No news is good news, I guess.

I have to agree with others here...

May 11, 2009 - 12:26 ET by Tailgunner

...who don't see a direct link in this story to Palin or Piper's lemonade stand.

The article does mention the governor's mansion as a 'main attraction', if not the main destination, and only 'Conservatives4Palin' claims that Thoma is targeting Piper's lemonade stand.

I don't see a connection...and unless some one else points it out for me, I'm going to spank Conservatives4Palin for this one.

NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE

the lemonade stand is just bonus damage

May 11, 2009 - 16:12 ET by UndercoverConservative

or an "unintended consequence" like *all* big liberal social experiments suffer from.

Remember, it's all about spin. Leave out details, make suggestions that can neither be proven nor denied, make the Left feel the poison they've so gleefully and irresponsibly sprayed on the world.

What goes around is coming around.

I don't mind if NB does a little hyperbole in headlines-it's gonna take a little escalation to actually balance the 24/7 bias on the big boards.

Besides, I don't take all my information from here. This is a start, like KOS or LGF or CNN. I get biased BS opinion links on the front page of print newspapers for the left and against my beliefs, so a bit of biased opinion links of beliefs I support is refreshing and gives me something to work with.

WWW.GS2AC.COM. 2nd Amendment Grass Roots Action in the Bay Area, CA. We're not all "Breakfast Cereal" folks here! :)

Hyperbole is one thing.

May 11, 2009 - 22:20 ET by Tailgunner

Unsupportable allegations of anyone wanting to harm a child in any manner is quite another.

It's entirely possible I missed an obvious connection between this lunatic protesting tour buses and Piper Palin's lemonade stand.

If this is the case, please correct me and I will gladly fall on my sword.

NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE

Liberal Palin-Fear

May 11, 2009 - 09:02 ET by MAS1916

Palin scares the daylights out of liberals. Her positive family example is just too 'American' for those that want to take the country to a Socialist utopia. For liberals, breaking down the family as a societal unit is key to establishing themselves in place of the family. Palin's family shows that a traditional family actually works.

Conservatives should not live in fear however. Democrats and liberals are self-destructing. Now that they have complete control in Washington, leftists won't be able to blame anyone else for the problems they create. From jobs, to inflation to defense, liberals will make a mess of things as they always do. This is a lesson the USA seems to learn once per generation.

For more on why conservatives should take heart, there is a list of ten reasons at:

http://firstconserva...

Responsible Cruising in Alaska!!

May 11, 2009 - 09:10 ET by slickwillie2001

That sounds like a party group. Maybe the NIH should be studying them instead of going to Argentina.

Just wondering, if Sasha or

May 11, 2009 - 09:28 ET by eaglewingz08

Just wondering, if Sasha or Malia set up a lemonade stand outside WH tours, would we be praising them for their free enterprise initiative (something contrary to their parents' worldview) or excoriating them for extortion or other bad behavoirs, and demanding that it be shut down?

If it depends on the party that's doing it, wouldn't that be the kind of bias that we here are supposed to be fighting?

lemonade stand

May 11, 2009 - 09:43 ET by SickofLibs

You're talking capitalism, and that's now blasphemy.

It would have to be FREE lemonade or nothing.

No, We Would Not!

May 11, 2009 - 09:47 ET by GeneralAl

We don't attack the kids! We never have and never will! The point to this whole mess is this:

You can call me any name you want and insult me any way you want. If my wife gets into the politics [Which she won't do!] of it, shes fair game. Otherwise, leave her and and my kids out it!

The lefty goons are the ones who attack the innocent!

Just wondering, if Sasha or

May 11, 2009 - 17:06 ET by Dan The Man 2

Just wondering, if Sasha or Malia set up a lemonade stand

Thier father would be telling them that they are about to be bought out by the government. Whe nteh yobject he tells them to get the f### with the program and sign the papers or he will make it hell for them. He will audit them and their employees every year from now til they die and hound them with FBI CIA and any other organization at his disposal. Ohh ya Uncle Rahmm has a horsie for them when the ywake up in teh morning.

It is quite an ironic name

May 11, 2009 - 11:55 ET by MrSnuggles

It is quite an ironic name for the group considering that this dirtbag has 6 DUIs.

A pic of Little Piper's Lemonade Stand

May 11, 2009 - 09:34 ET by SmokingGun

Here's the pic.

http://juneauempire....

Any word on whether or not

May 11, 2009 - 10:52 ET by BuffNBone

Any word on whether or not she's selling "T" shirts yet? It would be the perfect thing to wear to a Fourth of July Tea Party.

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Piper Palin and her detractors

May 11, 2009 - 10:29 ET by grumpyoldb

What kind of a Drunkard Coke-head would go after a little kid's lemonade stand.... Oh Yeah, A DRUNKARD COKE-HEAD.. If this is the best resistance that they can come up with to Sara Palin the left is even more mentally challenged than I thought... And this idiot is just one more reason I would vote FOR PALIN in 2012.

Palin-Nugent 2012......

Enterprise Not Allowed

May 11, 2009 - 10:30 ET by slickwillie2001

A Sasha and Malia lemonade stand would never be allowed at the White House because then people like me would point out that the girls had more executive experience than the Bamster did when he began his run for President.

When life hands liberals

May 11, 2009 - 12:07 ET by Jack Bauer

When life hands liberals lemons, they take governmentaid.

“I'm with you on a free press. It's the newspapers I can't stand.” Tom Stoppard, Night and Day, 1978

I think it's defeatist to

May 11, 2009 - 14:21 ET by QueenMum

I think it's defeatist to consider that Sarah Palin is going to be the one to save the Republican party. I think the party could do better. We don't need just another "charismatic personality" who knows how to say all the right things. I believe she's a principled person. I just don't think she'll be ready for prime time in 2011 (which is a conservative estimate of when the campaigning for 2012 will begin). That being said, I think it's time to stop looking for insult every time her name is brought up in the media. Let the good people of Alaska fight their own battles for now.

Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand

campaigning will wait until 2011?

May 11, 2009 - 16:16 ET by UndercoverConservative

respectfully, Mum, what're you drinking? Campaigning started three months ago! Or it never stopped :P Every action, every press conference, every NY overflight, every speech and bill, every late night comedy show and early morning news show appearance-all for the sake of forcing Product Awareness of whom they're trying to sell.

WWW.GS2AC.COM. 2nd Amendment Grass Roots Action in the Bay Area, CA. We're not all "Breakfast Cereal" folks here! :)

I think the party could do

May 11, 2009 - 17:11 ET by Dan The Man 2

I think the party could do better. We don't need just another "charismatic personality" who knows how to say all the right things

I believe when President Reagan was running for President people were saying much of the same. Don't judge a book if you never read the thing and only take biased opinions of it. She is charismatic and she seems to be able to run the largest state in theUnion with aplomb. She will do until someone else better comes along.

Remmeber the Presidential race is nothing more than a beauty contest or American Idol competition to most voters.

Dan: Running the largest

May 13, 2009 - 08:32 ET by QueenMum

Dan: Running the largest state in area is not the same as running a state that is heavily populated. Palin vs. Reagan is comparing apples to oranges.

GO CAVS!!!!!

I don't see anywhere where

May 11, 2009 - 14:22 ET by balboa

I don't see anywhere where this guy actually said he wanted to get rid of Piper's lemonade stand.

Ehat is the difference

May 11, 2009 - 15:43 ET by George S Patton

Ehat is the difference between Piper Plain and JasonC?

Piper has a business and is trying to make a dollar, JasonC checks the mailbox and believes the world owes him a living.

six convictions?

May 11, 2009 - 15:53 ET by UndercoverConservative

All he needs to do is kill some young girl with his driving and he's in Kennedy territory. Maybe he just needs to fail to pay income tax for a decade or so and he'll really move up (or down?) the D power structure.

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Diverting tourism traffic would cause the closure

May 11, 2009 - 16:07 ET by Lord Erond

Of her lemonade stand. That's Thoma's plan.

"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates

"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po

Did a quick search last

May 11, 2009 - 16:12 ET by Gary P Jackson

Did a quick search last night when I heard about this moron.

Besides the info that WTH put out there, about Thoma v Hickel, in which Thoma
unsuccessfully sued the Governor, at the time, because the “government was out
to get him” !

I guess smoking bushel baskets full of dope on a daily basis can make you
paranoid!

I found this at an Aussie paper, and thought it summed this loser up
pretty well:

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/arc_of_a_thoma/

1969. The highlight of Alaska resident Chip Thoma’s life: he is given a
security job at Woodstock and spends the entire concert next to the stage.

1970s-80s. Chip is given several drink-driving tests, which he fails four
times over ten years. He spends time in prison following a cocaine
conviction.

2009. Chip is given to complaining about a lemonade stand run by Piper Palin,
seven-year-old daughter of Alaska’s governor. He spends most days railing
against tourists who want to see the governor’s mansion.

Pretty much the typical democrat activist.

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t
pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected,
and handed on for them to do the same.
_____Ronald
Reagan

2009. Chip is given to

May 11, 2009 - 20:30 ET by Jer

2009. Chip is given to complaining about a lemonade stand run by Piper Palin,seven-year-old daughter of Alaska’s governor. He spends most days railingagainst tourists who want to see the governor’s mansion.

And the source for this item in the Australian newspaper? Why it's the aforementioned internationally respected gossip-peddling right-wing blog: "Conservatives4Palin". Imagine that!

Jer

Exactly, none of which

May 11, 2009 - 20:46 ET by balboa

Exactly, none of which contain any actual quotes from Thoma indicating he was attacking Piper's lemonade stand.

Bal, get real...really, quotes from the culprit that he himself

May 11, 2009 - 23:50 ET by pahuber

would raze the lemonade stand?

How would that sound? "I plan to destroy pipers lemonade stand and you can quote me?"

He has infered it like most liberal rats that keep their deviant thoughts quiet.

THE PALIN BUS TOURS

May 11, 2009 - 19:56 ET by Mad-j

What if these same tourists were to circle The White House waiting for a glimpse of THAT first family? Would this nutjob protest that on envirnmental grounds?

Probably not, as the White

May 11, 2009 - 20:07 ET by balboa

Probably not, as the White House is built to accommodate such traffic and buses.

Come on Warner

May 11, 2009 - 23:21 ET by shawn228

This is pure hyerbole. Nowhere is there evidence anyone wants to pick on a poor girl and offended by a lemonade stand. The article you linked is obviously written by a right wing version of Keith Olberman

He had my vote

I am

May 11, 2009 - 23:43 ET by Warner Todd Huston

I am sticking with my sources as presented. But, you go ahead and prove it wrong... not that you can, of course.

Be sure and visit my home blog PubliusForum.com.

Warner

May 11, 2009 - 23:51 ET by shawn228

The article says the person in question has a problem with the tours. Nowhere does it say he has a problem with a lemonade stand or even knows it exist. This is pure speculation on your part.

He had my vote

Can't prove it false when

May 12, 2009 - 09:22 ET by balboa

Can't prove it false when you've failed to prove it true.

Wow, oldest rhetorical

May 12, 2009 - 11:41 ET by JasonC

Wow, oldest rhetorical cheat in the book. "I'm sticking by my unsubstantiated claim, you have to prove me wrong."

Not how it works. Your C4P source has zero credibility and makes its claim via third-hand gossip. The other sources make no mention of Piper except when they quote Sarah Palin, who is clearly the one who brought it up in the first place. Way to use your child to make a private citizen look like an ogre, Sarah. If you have a legitimate source which quotes Thoma on the topic of Piper, let's see it.

Otherwise, it's quite clear that you are following C4P's lead in falsely accusing a private citizen of bullying a child. Pretty low.