David Brooks Attacks Conservative 'Talk Jocks'

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If you want to become a house "conservative" for the New York Times, the prime rule is that you must treat Rush Limbaugh as well as other talk radio conservatives with utter disdain. In fact it is pretty much a job requirement at the Times as the other house "conservative" there, the conspicuously inconspicuous Ross (Whothat?) Douthat, knows full well when he slammed Limbaugh at the Atlantic magazine a few months before enduring obscurity at the Gray Whale.

The main house "conservative" at the Times, David Brooks, took time from from his "bromantic" stares at Barack Obama's finely creased pant leg, to slam Limbaugh today:

Let us take a trip back into history. Not ancient history. Recent history. It is the winter of 2007. The presidential primaries are approaching. The talk jocks like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and the rest are over the moon about Fred Thompson. They’re weak at the knees at the thought of Mitt Romney. Meanwhile, they are hurling torrents of abuse at the unreliable deviationists: John McCain and Mike Huckabee.

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Note the utter disdain by the "civilized" Brooks: "talk jocks." And who does Brooks think is intellectually worthy to pontificate on politics? Why David Brooks himself as he "humbly" explained to Gabriel Sherman of the New Republic while cooing bromantically over Obama:

“I don’t want to sound like I’m bragging,” Brooks recently told me, “but usually when I talk to senators, while they may know a policy area better than me, they generally don’t know political philosophy better than me. I got the sense he knew both better than me.”

Got that? Except for The One, Brooks believes he knows political philosophy better than anyone out there. With that attitude, it is no wonder he has a tremendous chip on his shoulder when it comes to writing about "talk jocks."Although Brooks thinks he excels at political philosophy, his knowledge of political history "flops like a fish."

Yet somehow, despite the fervor of the great microphone giants, the Thompson campaign flops like a fish. Despite the schoolgirl delight from the radio studios, the Romney campaign underperforms.

Could Thompson flopping like a fish have resulted from the fact that he started late and didn't seem to have the enthusiasm to endure a long campaign? Brooks leaves out that piece of political history in his analysis. Also note that Rush Limbaugh never endorsed any candidate, including Romney, in the primaries.

Brooks continues his attempts to rewrite history in order to slam conservative "talk jocks."

...Over the past few years the talk jocks have demonstrated their real-world weakness time and again. Back in 2006, they threatened to build a new majority on anti-immigration fervor. House Republicans like J.D. Hayworth and Randy Graf, both of Arizona, built their re-election campaigns under that banner. But these two didn’t march to glory. Both lost their seats.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Shamnesty bill fail in 2007? And weren't the conservative "talk jocks" credited for a large part of its failure?

Brooks continues his rewrite of recent history to bolster his theory that Limbaugh is somehow insignificant:

In 2008, after McCain had won his nomination, Limbaugh turned his attention to the Democratic race. He commanded his followers to vote in the Democratic primaries for Hillary Clinton because “we need Barack Obama bloodied up politically.” Todd Donovan of Western Washington University has looked at data from 38 states and could find no strong evidence that significant numbers of people actually did what Limbaugh commanded. Rush blared the trumpets, but few of his Dittoheads advanced.

No strong evidence? What about the fact that Obama was forced to battle it out with Hillary for months after he supposedly had the nomination locked up in February? Perhaps he has some explanation other than Operation Chaos for this unusual event.

Remember how ObamaCare was supposed to have been passed before the August congressional recess?  Townhall meetings and public resistance changed all that. Many have blamed conservative talk show hosts for this but not David Brooks who continues to maintain the fantasy that Limbaugh and the other "talk jocks" have no real effectiveness:

Over the years, I have asked many politicians what happens when Limbaugh and his colleagues attack. The story is always the same. Hundreds of calls come in. The receptionists are miserable. But the numbers back home do not move. There is no effect on the favorability rating or the re-election prospects. In the media world, he is a giant. In the real world, he’s not.

So why is the White House so obsessed with both Limbaugh and Glenn Beck? Perhaps Brooks should ask the object of his bromantic feelings for the answer.

Brooks concludes by trying to assure us a bit too strenuously that conservative talk show hosts are really ineffective:

But this is not merely a story of weakness. It is a story of resilience. For no matter how often their hollowness is exposed, the jocks still reweave the myth of their own power. They still ride the airwaves claiming to speak for millions. They still confuse listeners with voters. And they are aided in this endeavor by their enablers. They are enabled by cynical Democrats, who love to claim that Rush Limbaugh controls the G.O.P. They are enabled by lazy pundits who find it easier to argue with showmen than with people whose opinions are based on knowledge. They are enabled by the slightly educated snobs who believe that Glenn Beck really is the voice of Middle America.

So the myth returns. Just months after the election and the humiliation, everyone is again convinced that Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the rest possess real power. And the saddest thing is that even Republican politicians come to believe it. They mistake media for reality. They pre-emptively surrender to armies that don’t exist.

They pay more attention to Rush’s imaginary millions than to the real voters down the street. The Republican Party is unpopular because it’s more interested in pleasing Rush’s ghosts than actual people. The party is leaderless right now because nobody has the guts to step outside the rigid parameters enforced by the radio jocks and create a new party identity. The party is losing because it has adopted a radio entertainer’s niche-building strategy, while abandoning the politician’s coalition-building strategy.

The rise of Beck, Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and the rest has correlated almost perfectly with the decline of the G.O.P. But it’s not because the talk jocks have real power. It’s because they have illusory power, because Republicans hear the media mythology and fall for it every time. 

Of course this antagonism on the part of Brooks is not surprising from someone completely enamored with Obama. And who else does Brooks admire? We certainly know it is none of the "talk jocks" for whom Brooks is liberal with his sneers. It is none other than Obama's senior adviser, David Axelrod:

"I followed his career because he was who I wanted to be. He was a hero.”

So the next time Obama, Axelrod, or any of the other liberals whine about how the "talk jocks" are ruining their agenda, I guess we can just show them this David Brooks column to convince them that their effectiveness is merely "illusory." 

Oh, and what is Van Jones doing nowadays, David?

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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Brooks did get one thing

Brooks did get one thing right.  THE ONE knows politics better than he does. What The One doesn't know is actual governing.  Hence the perpetual campaign, including lobbying for the Olympics. Speech-making is what he does best, and he knows it.

deviationists ???? Is "Maverick" out of style now?

And re Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh:  why be afraid of "illusory" power, Dave????

Speech making?

You mean Speech Reading. Without his teleprompter, he's just another ignorant politician.

The Times Dismissed Bill Kristol

for improprieties. Perhaps being too conservative.

The Times wants a CINO - a conservative in name only, who bashes real conservatives.

Have they made it illegal

  • Have they made it illegal yet to call him a pinkshirted fag?

    On second thoughts I don't mind either way. He's a pinkshirted fag.

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You're right, AJB....

You're right.  I stand corrected.

COGITO ERGO SUM

What am I missing here? The Talk-Jock Trio said that McCain was a partial conservative and would be a lousy candidate....AND THEY WERE CORRECT!

So Brooksie's point is.....what?

Exactly

Exactly

The problem with David

The problem with David Brooks (actually there are many but not enought space) is that he doesn't understand talk radio.  Rush, Laura, O'Reiley, Hannity, and probably even Beck passionately believe in what they say.  What you see is what you get with those people.  They are passionate people who believe deeply in their views. 

 Brooks on the other hand gave up his beliefs year ago for money, a powerful job and a chance to have someone in power feel him up.   It is a refinement of the tingle up the leg.

If Brooks were not willing to trash the people he claims he is one of, would he have a job?  He!! would he even have a wife?

Brooks has it backwards

How does Brooks get from the premise ...

"Hundreds of calls come in. The receptionists are miserable."

... to this conclusion?

"But the numbers back home do not move. There is no effect on the favorability rating or the re-election prospects. In the media world, he is a giant. In the real world, he’s not."

What's Brooks is missing is that the people who are listening to Rush are conservative already. They didn't become conservatives for a day, only because a media figure manipulated them. That's why, when conservatives call their congressmen, the overall numbers don't move. The people were conservatives before Limbaugh said anything, and so "the numbers" of liberals v. conservatives don't change at all. But that's natural. It's a false argument to say that they should be changing.

Brooks simply has it backwards. People aren't conservative because Rush Limbaugh says so. It's the opposite: Limbaugh is popular because so many people are conservative already. Limbaugh's success has always been a reflection of a conservative majority, not the cause of it.

Now, as it is, Rush claims to speak for the majority, to give it a voice. Eh, not really. Not every conservative would speak his way, but that's OK. You can complain about how Rush uses humor, or how he lobs bombshells from behind a microphone instead of engaging debates directly with liberals (as Reagan and Buckley did) but that's a matter of taste.

The true leader of conservatism will engage liberals directly. We don't have anyone like that now, but I'm fine with that, because the climate has changed. The liberals learned their lesson from getting blasted by Buckley and Reagan. When they engaged those guys, they got embarrassed. So, liberals don't really engage anyone anyway. There's no need for a "leader."

 

I think thats his premise

What's Brooks is missing is that the people who are listening to Rush are conservative already.
They didn't become conservatives for a day, only because a media figure
manipulated them. That's why, when conservatives call their
congressmen, the overall numbers don't move. The people were
conservatives before Limbaugh said anything, and so "the numbers" of
liberals v. conservatives don't change at all. But that's natural. It's
a false argument to say that they should be changing.

I don't think he missed it at all. I think that's the premise of his article. His premise is Rush and the like are preaching to the choir, not converting people or even nudging them much, as evidenced by Thompson, Romney, Huckabee and McCain's success in the primaries. The candidate Rush liked least did the best and the one he liked the most did the worst. 

Brooks is simply stating Rush and the like have found their niche, an audience that likes what they say most of the time, and if the audience disagrees, they just ignore him on that subject. He's saying basically what you are saying. Rush is not converting people to conservatism. Conservatives listen to Rush.  They are conservative without Rush, and as evidenced in the primaries, they are of independent mind when it comes to voting.

I don't know what the outcry is for - Brooks is saying what Ann Coulter and Rush has been saying for years. Conservatism has no leader. Whats the problem?

No - this is what Brooks is saying (I argue)

"And the saddest thing is that even Republican politicians come to believe it. They mistake media for reality. They pre-emptively surrender to armies that don’t exist."

Brooks is arguing that the people who should be leaders, i.e., Republican politicians, are afraid of crossing Rush. Brooks is saying that they're being intimidated by "armies that don't exist." I argue that the armies do exist, but not because of Rush. They were there already.

And let's be clear. Conservatives did have leaders, once. WFBuckley was always a leader. Goldwater was a leader for a while, but since the mid-1970s, it was Reagan. Reagan led conservatives until the end of the 1980s. And here's why: both Reagan and Buckley confronted liberals. They did so with civility and wit, and they knew their subjects. Reagan was not the doddering fool, by any means. Liberals learned to avoid him. They'd insult him and lampoon Reagan, but they were careful to avoid him. There's the great story of the debate with Bobby Kennedy. Reagan flattened RFK so badly that RFK ordered that he was never to be put in that situation again.

Contrast the Reagan style with the Bushes. Reagan would be on offense most of the time. Neither Bush did well on offense. They came off as arrogant and petulant. And, Bush 43 especially, never enjoyed leading the charge. They liked to make decisions, but they didn't like explaining them and defending them.

That's what conservatives need. They need someone who can stand out in front, invite liberals to debate, and then explain and defend conservative ideas. Rush isn't a leader because he doesn't invite debate. He's a commentator in the booth, but not a quarterback on the field.

 

If the armies exist they aren't voting

Brooks is arguing that the people who should be leaders, i.e.,
Republican politicians, are afraid of crossing Rush. Brooks is saying
that they're being intimidated by "armies that don't exist." I argue
that the armies do exist, but not because of Rush. They were there
already.

If there are armies, they are not voting armies because conservative candidates are losing - not winning. If any group looks to be on the rise its the blue dogs.

But maybe I'm missing it. Can you give me an example of this conservative sentiment in the real world. Yes I understand Rush may have 20 million listeners. Fox beats CNN in the ratings. But where is the evidence that conservatives are a voting force?

If there is no conservative voting force, the GOP is indeed making a mistake by directing their message (pandering?) to a paper tiger.

I guess that's the question in the end. Is there a conservative voting force? I see no evidence of it.

They had been voting

Since Reagan in 1980, conservatives formed the base of the GOP, who were mostly in control of the White House and Congress for the last thirty years. Even during the Clinton years, the GOP took back things in 1994, two years into his presidency. The Democrats didn't win back the House until 2006, and then only barely. 2008 was a year where conservatives were more or less demoralized (I speak for myself) and many didn't come out to vote at all. But conservatives have been the backbone of the winning majority for about thirty years.

Are there different groups within the parties? Sure. Have the others grown in relative strength? Sure. But the conservatives are still a formidable group, and may well be the biggest single sub-group.

 

Amen!!!

 A republican with some sense..

     "Glenn Beck is not aligned with any party. He is aligned with  cynicism”  Sen. Lindsey Graham, (R-S.C.)

 

He's gonna eat those words.

"The rise of Beck, Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and the rest has correlated almost perfectly with the decline of the G.O.P."

 

2010 ain't so far away.

 

" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him....-Sen. Jim DeMint

→ Some truth to it

Not so much O'Reilly, but Beck, Hannity, Ingraham, and Limbaugh enjoy popularity indicative of a rise in conservatism.

If the Republicans want to tag along, they need to change to fit our standards.  Most of the GOP is comprised of RINOs who get religion only when poked with a big stick. 

"who get religion only when poked with a big stick."

And the promise of some more votes. Sigh. Too true Cool, too true.

Gary

If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. -- Tom Paine

Keep your chin up, David. 

Keep your chin up, David.  It's hard when you have to look in the mirror every morning and know that, in the media world or the real world, you'll never be more than a flyspeck on the underside of Rush's left shoe. 

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

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Brooks is a eunuch.

Brooks is a eunuch.

Hate to say it, Dave

Some of these "conservative" commentators are more INTERESTING and PROVOCATIVE than you are.

Question...

"Oh, and what is Van Jones doing nowadays, David?"

 - I think the more important question is, What is John McCain doing these days...

Re: Ms Brooks

Looks like a new entry on the 'want to be Michelle Obama for 24 hours' list.

So what am I missing Sir

So what am I missing Sir David of Brooks? Obamacare started at 56 percent approval, in May/June, and after just two months of talk radio it's dead at 41 percent approval. That's a twenty five percent drop and nothing Obama has done has stopped that precipitous drop or reversed it. So Obama is even more ineffective and incompetent than talk radio 'jocks' even though Obama is the second most knowledgeable person on political philosophy next to Brooks? Is that the take we're supposed to make on this?

Oh BTW, the NY Slimes is reporting that Obama really didn't want the Olympics and that his trip to Copenhagen was just a ruse so Obama could take a telephone call on Air Obama from Gen. McChrystal, and Newsweak is reporting that the loss is actually good for Obama, even though the rag never reported that a loss would be good for Obama and Chicago BEFORE Obama actually lost the bid.

Funny how that works. Obama gets Olympics is GOOD. Obama loses Olympics is GOOD. But no bias there. This is a great day for the republic, as Drudge reports, the EGO has LANDED!

For all of David Brooks'

For all of David Brooks' self-indulgent chatter, he never articulates policy-wise where he believes the "talk jocks" are wrong.  He drops a litany of tone-related deceptions and non-sequiturs, marvels at the "style" of hoods like Rahm Emmanuel, David Axelrod and Barack Obama and whines about not appealing to the ideologically incoherent "moderates".  Sure, he occasionally hints at an affinity for "smart" "environmental" principles, but he really doesn't do his homework...he feels because he's incapable of thinking.  Essentially, he has zero understanding of economics, he's embarrassed by social conservatives and he wants to be accepted by those on the left.  So he writes these lame hit pieces designed to curry favor with the left, and he offers nothing of substance while accusing others of the same.  I listen to Rush Limbaugh...I don't follow him...I don't need someone to "lead" me, nor do those who listen to talk radio.  The candidate who best represents my core beliefs (lower taxes, less regulation, less government spending, less influence for parasites like trail lawyers, food police, nanny staters, "environmentalists", government unions, UAW, SEIU, etc.) will be the one who gets my support.  But chances are the likes of Limbaugh and Levin will also support that candidate.  Meanwhile, David Brooks in his journalistic masturbation will promote another loser like Lindsey Graham or Charlie Crist because they go along to get along.  David Brooks is an ignorant douche working for a spoiled clown who's steered the Titanic into the iceberg.  No doubt Brooks will be crossdressing to make sure he gets one of the lifeboats.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

They are enabled by the

They are enabled by the slightly educated snobs

My God, I thought for a second Brooksie had a moment of self-awareness, because that phrase describes him perfectly.

He describes folks, such as Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin as "Jocks."

Has he been in a coma since the late seventies?

What else is still in the Brooks' lexicon? Moon Boots, Tie-Dye T-Shirts, Grateful Dead, Vangelis, Commodore 64, the De Lorean?

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Jim Webster