'Fight the Smears' Website Admits Obama was Kenyan Citizen: Where's the MSM?


Following the controversy over the authenticity of  Barack Obama's birth certificate can be a bit confusing with all its detailed analysis. Your humble correspondent will leave that up to the experts. However, in response to the charge that Barack Obama is not an American citizen, Obama's Fight the Smears website, quoting FactCheck.Org, has made a bombshell admission...Barack Obama was once a citizen of Kenya. You read that right, Obama had Kenyan citizenship until 1982. Here is the startling admission published in Fight the Smears (emphasis mine):

 “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.”

So according to Fight the Smears itself, Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired on Aug. 4, 1982 meaning he held Kenyan citizenship until that point. This is astounding and so far no mainstream media outlet has reported on it. Will some reporter out there be so bold as to ask Obama if he was a Kenyan citizen until his 21st birthday as his own website concedes? 

Until reading of this Kenyan citizenship admission, I thought the lawsuit claimng that Obama was born in Kenya filed by Clinton supporter, Phil Berg, in Philadelphia was of minor import. However, by responding to it in the way it did, the Fight the Smears website has just opened up a big can of worms for Obama in its admission that he was a citizen of Kenya until 1982.

Meanwhile, instead of simply producing the original birth certificate in court and put the matter to rest, the Obama campaign seeks to evade that action by attempting to dismiss the lawsuit entirely. Here is the latest report on this lawsuit from the Phoenixville News:

PHILADELPHIA — Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee filed a joint motion in federal court Wednesday to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the Illinois senator to prove he's a citizen of the United States.

On Aug. 21, four days before the Democratic National Convention, Lafayette Hill attorney Philip Berg filed suit in Philadelphia seeking to remove the Democratic candidate from the November ballot claiming he was born in Kenya and not in America.

Berg asked the court for a temporary restraining order "prohibiting Obama from being formally confirmed as the Democratic Party nominee for president," according to court papers.

The Federal Election Commission was also named as a defendant in the legal action.

A day after the suit was filed, a federal judge denied the motion for a temporary restraining order.

When rumors emerged last summer questioning whether Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii, his campaign posted a certificate of live birth on its Web site.

In a press statement circulated Wednesday by Berg's law office, the attorney insisted the Democratic candidate was born in Africa and thus ineligible to run for president.

"It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the 'qualifications' to be president of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his 'Vault' (version) Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist," the press release reads.

The suit seeks to compel the senator to produce the long version of his original birth certificate.

The motion to dismiss filed Wednesday called the suit's allegations "ridiculous and patently false," and argues the court lacks legal standing to challenge a presidential candidate's qualifications.

While Berg argued the case against Obama on constitutional grounds, Obama's attorney claims Berg must show a "specific and individualized injury" to prove standing in the case rather than a hypothetical one.

Earlier this year, a similar suit brought against Republican presidential candidate John McCain's and the Republican National Committee claimed that McCain wasn't "a natural born" citizen, having been born in the Panama Canal Zone while his father was serving in the military.

That suit was dismissed in July on grounds the plaintiff lacked standing in the case.

A minor lawsuit that seemed to be just a small irritant has now caused the Obama website to respond by admitting that he was once a Kenyan citizen. Where is the MSM on this? Which brave reporter will quote Obama's own website to him? Until now, there has been absolutely no mention in the mainstream media that we have a presidential candidate that once held citizenship with another country. 

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.”

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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This is intriguing. If it

This is intriguing. If it was simply a matter of the "missing" birth certificate, I would say this is a non-issue. But the outstanding lawsuit, if properly filed, puts this in a very different light, IMO. Interestingly enough, all the 0bama campaign would have to do is produce a valid birth certificate - end of the issue. That shouldn't be too hard.

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birth certificate was produced more than a month ago

Hey Hermano,

A lot of people here have commented to ask "Where is Obama's birth certificate?" which I take it is also the thrust of your comment (and since you got the first post in, I'm responding to your comment).

Obama's birth certificate was produced and authenticated over a month ago. (http://www.factcheck...).

So, you're right--it shouldn't be hard to show a birth certificate, Obama showed his--so, as you say, "end of the issue."

»→ nickleby

You're right.  It's just the mechanical rabbit on the greyhound track.  Some will chase it and others won't.

I don't think we should question his place of birth or his Muslim faith for that matter. 

"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama

Nick

I have to agree with you.The question of if Obama was a citizen or not came from a hillary supporter.It has never been a issue with me.I can find real faults with Obama without adding any dubious ones.Mark down this day.We agreed on something.I think Armaggedon is coming.

heh

ha! we should have saved this for Halloween, when it would have been extra-spooky. Quick let's disagree about something! Uh, I think the Mets were most amazing in '86! Go!

Nick

"I think the Mets were most amazing in '86! Go!" How did you know I was Red Sox fan?This is war and I aint waiting for Congress to declare it!Great series though.

oh, damn

oh man--I grew up in a Mets household, but I know a lot of Red Sox fans: I would never have said that so flippantly if I had known. I knew a guy from Boston who, when he was feeling really depressed, would watch a tape of game 6 just to make himself feel even worse. Great series, definitely.

I look forward to the next non-political competition we find ourselves on opposite sides of. Red Sox/Mets 09?

Nick

As long as it was the Mets.I also was a fan of theirs.Who didnt like Yogi?I didnt feel as bad because it was the Mets that won.I also liked Dave Johnson.They are like the Cubs.A team I always enjoyed watching.Just a note.On game 6.It takes more than one game or one play to lose in the WS.Too much was made of it.Bottom line was they had seven games to win the series and the Mets outplayed them.That would be cool if there was a rematch.

numbn*ts, If Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii...

...then his original birth certificate still exists.

I was born in 1964 in Atlanta, Georgia. My original birth certificate still exists.

He has yet to produce said certificate, and continues to expend vast sums of money in an effort to resist doing so.

He could clear this whole mess up in about 5 minutes, and would save a bundle of money in the process.

Why hasn't he?

-Dave

In order for wealth to be spread, it first must be seized.

Factcheck is lying. What

Factcheck is lying. What Obama produced is NOT a birth certificate and has been proven to be a forgery. Real certificates of live birth from that time were hand written, and had a lot more information on them. The fact that he can't even provide a REAL birth certificate proves to me that he is not a natural born citizen, and this means, if he wins, I will stop obeying the laws of the US. Any true Americans must stop obeying all laws of the US. We must stand up in mass to defeat the invaders.  If we don't, we lose our country for good as Obama's election will prove that Liberals don't need to obey the Constitution... only Conservatives do.

____________________________________________________

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lbz, whom do you trust?

lbz, you don't trust FactCheck.org. Do you trust McCain? Do you trust Sarah Palin? Do you trust Hannity or O'Reilly at FoxNews?

Because none of these people have ever questioned Obama's birth certificate. I'm sure they've seen the facts, and they're not saying it's a forgery or anything--they accept it.

So I think you might want to rethink your plan to become a criminal if the election goes to Obama.

Good morning Nick

Factcheck is hit and miss at best. Accuracy is not their strong suit.

An answer to the questions, please.

Coco,

Do you trust McCain?

Do you trust Sarah Palin?

Do you trust Hannity or O'Reilly at FoxNews? 

Übercon

"The voice of dissent must be heard."-Henry Ford

Good afternoon UBER

I trust only God.

HA!!! Uber I found you!!!

I'll be back.

Ster.

Who do you Trust Uber???

Olby?

Crissy?

Joy Baher?

Michael Moore?

Ster.

uber you don't think

OJ was innocent...do you?  i mean he was found "not guilty" by his "peers" AND the glove "didn't fit".  right?

 

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

and here I was going to take the weekend off

hi coco,

But I didn't defend FactCheck--I accepted LBZ's statement that he thinks FactCheck is lying.

But it's hard for me to imagine that someone who is "mens sana in corpore sano" would think that

a) the people who he normally considers trustworthy (McCain, Palin, O'Reilly, Hannity--fill in the blank with your favorite conservative) have dropped the ball on this; and

b) that somehow the best response to this would be to become a criminal.

(I mean, I understand the urge to say, "I'm not going to fight fair if he's not," but we're not really talking about "fighting fair"--we're talking about upholding the Constitution and the laws. If you really think the Constitution is in trouble, then it makes more sense to fight to uphold the laws, not to declare your intention to break them. LBZ's announcement might just as well have been said by William Ayers--"the government is prosecuting an illegal war in Viet Nam, therefore I will not follow the laws.")

Nick..I'm here!!!

What's the point of reference ???

I'm watching football also....

Ster.

Nick

I neglected to thank you and 99 for bringing up the mets and getting me to t of think of Yogi. Truly a great American and one of the best in baseball. Brings back some good memories.

Hi Nick, Coco!!

It will never see the light of day.  Don't waist your time.

Ster.

Ster

Barack Hussein is in Hawaii attending to that right now. Kinda like the wolf in Little Red Riding Hood visiting grandma.

Not sure what to think

I've been following this loosely as it's developed. First I heard that there was a question of where he'd been born, although I knew there was an issue with the BC. I would say that the argument that, even if born in Hawaii he still had Kenyan citizenship, isn't much. By American law, if born in America, he's a "natural-born citizen." I'm pretty sure, anyway. I don't know if Mexico considers a Mexican baby born here to also hold Mexican citizenship, but I don't think that effects our laws which (unfortunately) say it's a citizen.

OTOH, if he was born in Kenya, that's a different story, obviously. But, first I heard of that.

The one thing I really don't understand is why they don't just produce the BC. I don't see how that's an unreasonable request. It's a requirement of the office to be a citizen, and proving you meet that requirement should be neither a surprise nor a burden.

Let your voice be heard! 

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

That's the point IJ, so far

That's the point IJ, so far Obama has only produced a fake birth certificate to the Daily Kos.  The admission of Obama's dual citizenship with Kenya is to throw people off the central issue, his real place of birth by focusing on his father.  Obama, as a lawyer, is using a lawyer tactic, dissembling.  As long as Obama is NOT forced to produce his real birth certificate, his citizenship is NOT in question.  Where do you think they dreamed up the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy?????

BTW-this is the same way illegals are helped by the Sanctuary Cities, Don't Ask, Don't Tell.  They are NOT illegal, if you DON'T ask them to prove they AREN'T.   The unemployment rolls in CA, Michigan and other Blue States are higher than the national average for a reason.  The State Unemployment offices don't use E-Verify to confirm whether the SS# the applicant gives is fake or real, they only use the immigration data base to confirm you are a registered green card holder IF the applicant says they are one.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Sure, I get it

That's why I find that they won't produce the BC to be so suspicious. For Pete's sake, you have to show one to get a driver's license... well, in this state, anyway. Wait, does Obama even have a driver's license?

And that "don't ask, don't tell" policy you mention is really beautiful, isn't it? You can't get the "wrong" answer if you never ask the question.

And people fall for that? Un-freakin'-real.

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

The Don't Ask, Don't Tell

The Don't Ask, Don't Tell ploy is a standard trick of lawyers to obfuscate the real issues.  Besides the gays in the military thing, I saw it used by the Family Law Courts, they won't ask certain questions of females in custody hearings and investigations that they will ask of males.  E.g. they won't ask a kid did your mother ever hit you, whereas they will with a father.  Their over riding policy is "NEVER ask a question you don't want the answer to."

Obama being a lawyer knows how to manipulate the legal system for his own ends.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Yep, knew that one!

"NEVER ask a question you don't want the answer to."

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

»→ dscott

I believe the saying is "Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to" 

But your derivation has a lot of merit too.  It's the ostrich defense. AKA the Sgt Schultz defense.

"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama

Actually, no, you are

Actually, no, you are wrong.  Up until Reagan, if you were a dual citizen, you lost your US citizenship.  The US did not allow dual citizenship.  Also, his case is very different since he is running for president.  The rules are more strict if one of your parents was not a US citizen.  According to the law on the books, I do not believe he can legally run for president.  His mother was not old enough at the time of his birth for him to qualify since his father was not a US citizen and he held dual citizenship even after he turned 18 (actually tri, since he was adopted by an Indonesian man and taken to live with him, I believe they considered him an Indonesian ctizen, but I am not sure about that one.)

All this means is that he

All this means is that he had a Kenyan father and an American mother - and therefore had dual citizenship.  It doesn't have anything to do with where he was born.  The Constitution doesn't say that the President must never had had citizenship from another country and gave it up (The founding fathers certainly had previous citizenships).   "Natural Born" is the key.  

I dislike Barack (he won't call Sen. McCain by his title, then I won't call him by his) as much as the next guy, but this is making us look kinda mean-spirited and ignorant.

Current Kenyan law says the father determines if a child is going to have Kenyan citizenship (a potential 2nd citizenship would come from the laws of the mother's country) - this law wasn't in place in 1961, but they may have had a version of it. 

We want people to think about the issues not  that conservatives are so mean-spirited that they would deny anyone to ever run for President if they had dual citizenship as a child - something they couldn't control.

The key is to remember that Place of Birth and Citizenship don't necessarily go hand in hand - it depends on the laws of the particular country. So please don't link the two unnecessarily. 

You could check what laws in Kenya were in place in 1961 re: citizenship to see if perhaps there is evidence that he had to have been born in Kenya in order to get dual citizenship.

 

Dual Citizenship

The issue here isn't whether Obama is an American citizen or not because he is. However, why has the public NEVER been informed that Obama once held dual citizenship? That is a part of his biography that has not been reported by the MSM. Only now does the Obama campaign admit he once held dual citizenship. Biographical information that has been suppessed.

PJ, that's only the one of

PJ, that's only the one of his citizenships, he is also Indonesian.  When his mother remarried another Muslim, Mr. Sotero, under Indonesian law Barack and his mother became the "property" of Mr. Sotero, a citizen of Indonesia.  They both became Indonesians upon marriage. 

Furthermore Barack (Obama) Sotero traveled under Indonesian passport to Pakistan.  Sorry, but when you use the passport of another country to travel abroad you have declared your citizenship and de facto renounced your dual citizenship with the US, a dual citizenship which was expressly forbidden by both countries.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

BTW - PJ, this also

BTW - PJ, this also concerns security clearances.  If Barack Obama were to be vetted by the standard process for national security clearances, would he even get any????  His travels to Pakistan would flag him.  Wouldn't he be turned down???  Yet, this man wants to be the POTUS, a position which would make him privy to the most closely held sensitive secrets in the entire world!!!!  And those secrets are vital to our national security.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Here you go PJ, this is the

Here you go PJ, this is the actual lawsuit document alleging Obama is NOT a US citizen: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/13/

It is just as I said, he is Indonesian by virtue of the fact of his use of their passport.  Under US law over the age of 18 if you obtain a foreign passport you have renounced your dual citizenship in favor of the other country.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

dscott... Absolutely nothing

dscott...

Absolutely nothing is going to happen about any of this...the msm still remain silent...they will continue to do so...no matter what.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

The Supremes need to hear

The Supremes need to hear this in order for it to go anywhere. Doubt that will happen.

http://theobamafile.com/

I will not obey that man if

I will not obey that man if he gets into office. It's time for a second civil war as far as I am concerned. This one to protect the sanctity of the US Constitution from the Democrats since they treat it as if it were toilet paper. 

____________________________________________________

"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." ~ Ayn Rand

Ah... Someone else talking about secession.

Interesting.

--Mike 

www.thebrattonreport...

zapper, it's not just the dems

one of the reasons for the electoral backlash that is predicted to happen on nov 4th is that the repubs in power have not been true to their stated ideals.  namely, "the smaller and less intrusive the govt, the better".  they have not defended our borders...true we have not been attacked like 9-11 again, but the wave of humantiy that continues to cross in illegally has not abated much.  if repubs ever do get back to the conservative tenets and values that they supposedly used to represent, i could someday even see myself registering as one....not likely though based on what i see today.  i remain a conservative independant.

cheers!

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

Well, you're right of course

The only real issue to me is the charge that he was actually born in Kenya. That's a new one on me. If true, it would blow any hope of him claiming "natural born" citizenship out of the water.

But it's the first I've heard the charge, and that's all it is right now. Although producing the BC would be a quick, easy, and final way to address it.

So why not do it?

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

"We want people to think

"We want people to think about the issues not that conservatives are so
mean-spirited that they would deny anyone to ever run for President if
they had dual citizenship as a child - something they couldn't control."

According to this logic, I guess we shouldn't hold being born in another country against people. They couldn't control it, they were children at the time. Sure, it's in the Constitution, but geez, that's mean.

It's not about being mean. That's the same lame excuse folks use in favor of illegal immigration.

""Natural Born" is the key."

It very well may be, but we don't even know for sure that he was natural born. He certainly hasn't proven it, at least not publicly. But we should probably let that slide too. Don't want to be mean or anything.

If a non-US citizen (legal

If a non-US citizen (legal or not) had a child here - that baby is not a natural-born citizen;  but it is a US citizen (illegals kids may not be - not sure of that).   It couldn't run for president, but it could vote. 

It is mean-spririted to say that if I chose to marry someone from a different country and if my children who are born in this country had dual citizenship as kids, then my kids are flat out of luck and can never be president.  

"Mommy, teacher told us that we could be president when we grow up."

 "sorry, honey, you can't because Daddy was (is) a _____.  But who wants to be president anyway wouldn't you rather be an astronut?"

Again, I don't want Barack to win but whether he as a child (adult different story) had dual citizenship is a non-issue.  There are enough reasons for me to dislike him, this isn't one of them. 

I have mine. Where is yours?

I don't understand this. If you ask me for my birth certificate, I can hand it to you within minutes, provided I can remember the combination to my fire-proof safe. ;)

Where is Obama's? Why can't he produce it? What is the deal here? Did he lose it, or has he never had it? This is so easy to refute, if he will just show it to us. The same thing happened with John Kerry. He could have shut the Swift Boat heroes down by merely releasing all of his military record, but he didn't, which says to me the Swift Boat people were telling the truth, and Kerry wasn't.

Now I am really wondering, is there a real story here? Why doesn't FoxNews get on this?

News suppression on dual citizenship

As I stated, the real issue here isn't the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate. I leave that up to the forensic experts to figure out. The real issue here is why, until now, has the fact that Obama once held dual citizenship NOT been reported by the media.

Maybe that's it... he just

Maybe that's it... he just can't remember the combination to his safe. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Birth certificate easy to get

"I don't understand this. If you ask me for my birth certificate, I can
hand it to you within minutes, provided I can remember the combination
to my fire-proof safe. ;)"

And if you couldn't, it's very easy to order a new one from either the county or state where you were born, depending on local law.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Ridiculous

I'm sorry but this issue makes people look stupid. It's just as bad as those who claim that McCain is not a US citizen because he wasn't born stateside. 

Now, issues that cannot be denied by the anointed one are his built in sympathy's toward muslims* and his ultra-liberal views built from marxist philosophy that he learned growing up.

*The reason I know that one cannot just leave a religion is based on my own experience. Raised a christian, yet today I am atheist. I hold favor and sympathy for those with judeo-christian values. And I hold the actions of those who bash christians & jews in contempt. I also despise those who claim not to have a god, but, put their faith in idiotic notions like AGW and deify individuals; like Gore, Obama, Soros, celebrities, the UN, KOS, etc...,    

I'm sorry but this issue

I'm sorry but this issue makes people look stupid. It's just as bad as those who claim that McCain is not a US citizen because he wasn't born stateside.

There is an intersting issue here.  Obama has not produced a BC yet, now this may be intentional just to obscure other matters but why hasn't he produced one?

I believe he has not said anything about his dual citizenship because it would have hurt his chances and fueled speculation about him being Muslim before he was picked as Dem canditate.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Citizenship Kane.

Even so, I doubt at 21 Obama gave nary a thought about it one way or another (as did most of us during peacetime, regardless of ideology). The problem I have with Obama and all on the left is that they don't ever come out for our country. They never seem proud when America's number one. Those on the left are always too eager to deride our nation at every opportunity (Obama in Berlin). Yet, they never have trouble looking out for their own self interest.

 

presidential qualifications

I wonder if Arnold is watching? This is an important issue and should not be minimized. Its the presidency stupid!!!!!! There are few qualifications to be prez.....he should be vetted as to his birthplace...fully (sorry, it wasn't in a manger).

 

A lawsuit unfortunately is not enough. The federal election commission? Congress? Who should have oversight on this? They are steamrolling the rules as they go.....They are practicing the "do it and they'll have to prove it" routine.

 

Brave Reporter????

"Which brave reporter will quote Obama's own website to him? "

 uh,...Yeah! Good luck on getting an answer to this one, I'd say the odds of the MSM quoting this back to Barry are about 45:1. Any bets?

 ***Poster is not a bookie, and won't be taking any real bets.

0bama Citizenship Issue

This sounds like a trivial, foolish issue, but if you think it through it could be major.

From what I see, we have a significant possibility of having a person who doesn't satisfy the Constitutional requirement of being a natural-born citizen, being elected President.

What would happen if that occurred, and the truth came out after the election (and before the inauguration)? The Dems, I'm sure, would want Biden to take the office. The Republicans, I'm sure, would want the election invalidated, and to be held a second time.

I doubt there is any law that addresses this possibility (I know the Constitution doesn't, but there is some wording in the Constitution that says Congress can define Presidential succession issues, so there could conceivably be something there). I think the Federal Election Commission should step in and demand that 0bama resolve this immediately (after all, he could get his Birth Certificate within 2 days at most, even if he himself must travel to Hawaii to get it. Besides, he was in Hawaii not too long ago, and this issue had already come up from the Hillary side at the time, so he could have picked it up then).

My fear is that the Republicans would look very foolish if he came up with a legitimate certificate, and I fear the 0bama camp could be setting us up here. The only way I could see it done with no negative impact to our side would be for the judge in the civil suit to order 0bama to produce the certificate to the court, immediately. Fat chance.

Either that, or the Supreme Court could conceivably step in to resolve this issue. Knowing how quickly it moves, we should know by the 2012 election.

The Constitution puts forth few requirements for qualification for election. Another is that the candidate must be at least 35 by inauguration. With the inauguration on Jan 20th, what if 0bama didn't turn 35 until Jan 21st? Would he have run through the primaries and become candidate, or would the Dems have told him "come back when you grow up, kid"? Should we delay the inauguration by a day?

There are requirements listed in the Constitution, but no method of enforcement. Just like with this bailout bill, we are in uncharted territory.

Kenyan Citzenship Allegation

If had just been conservative websites alleging that Obama had Kenyan citizenship I wouldn't have even bothered writing this up. However, what makes this VERY SIGNIFICANT is that it is Obama's own "Fight the Smears" website that stated he once held Kenyan citizenship. I am not saying this disqualifies him from being president but this is definitely an IMPORTANT piece of biographical information that has been suppressed...until now.

Kenya

The reason his birth in Kenya came up is from a news report that his family in Kenya swear he was born there, and that his Mother immediately flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

The birth certificate posted by the Daily Kos and passed around was closely examined and was determined a fake. Two questions arose, why is the number at the top right blanked out and why is there no State Seal embedded in the document? It was also thought to be a fake copy from his sister's birth certificate.

As others have said, why hasn't he cleared this up by now if he had nothing to hide?

We know if he was a Republican the 2 faced hypocrites of the MSM would be all over it. It appears they revel in proving they are rather than they are not.

 

forged Hawiian BC...

Where's the investigation to identify the source of the forged Hawiian BC?

I REALLY want to know who was behind it...  (and no, I don't believe it was Dan Rather.)

Who is the head of the Federal Elections Commission, and why hasn't this doubt been resolved? Is this going to require the intervention of Congress? Let's get some airtime on this - Fox, EIB, others?

We want proof! We want proof! We want proof!

birth certificate?

I'm not sure what the issue is here. You ask why the MSM is not talking about his citizenship, and some commenters here are wondering why people aren't investigating Obama's birth certificate.

But a month ago, on Aug 21st, FactCheck.org posted an article examining the birth certificate that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii--http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html. So, the MSM is not asking for his birth certificate, because it's already been checked out. He's an American citizen.

As for him holding dual Kenyan citizenship, that's a little odd--you want to argue that a boy born in Hawaii in 1961 holds citizenship in a country that gained independence in 1963? Maybe if he had claimed it, this would be an interesting story, but he had no political relation with Kenya--so the MSM isn't following this because it's a non-story. (And again, FactCheck.org covered this a month ago, in August: http://www.factcheck...)

Factcheck lies....

Fact check based their article on the same 'proven forgery' birth certificate Hussein O provided to KOS.  Hussein O's school registration in Kenya show him as 'Barry' and as an Islamist (according to the Associated 'with terrorist' Press ,democrat/terrorist supporter/lie, spreader article). His father choose his name and his religion and made him a citizen of Kenya. It was also reported than he was born in Kenya and his mother rushed back to Hawaii to register his birth. Only Hussein O can come out with the truth and he's a born liar. 10 verified lies in the 1st debate that won't be reported by the Lame Stream democrat press either.

 

 

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FactCheck was the basis of P.J.'s article

Just so you know, the part that P.J. quoted from the "Fight the Smears" website which says that Obama could have had dual citizenship was actually from the FactCheck.org article--you can go and read their account of it (which is good enough for P.J. to quote here).

On the other hand, if you would prefer to think up clever puns rather than to learn the truth, more power to you, Scrap.

factcheck has very close

factcheck has very close ties with Obama and ayers.  I am suspicious of anything they put out and their motivations.

okay

sure, amber, I'm suspicious of so-called "independent" sites/think tanks, too, but:

a) I've never heard anyone make a creditable claim against FactCheck.org--that is, I've never seen anyone provide any evidence to show that they were in the tank for either candidate.

b) FactCheck.org has been referenced by several of the bloggers on this site--in fact, this very article uses a quote from FactCheck.org!

You can call them

You can call them independent all you want, but factcheck is funded by the Annenberg Foundation and guess who was the chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge for 6 years (the largest grant by the annenberg foundation)?  Obama... and Ayers served on his board.

QE... wait, what?

Amber,

Okay, for the sake of this argument, let's say that the Annenberg Foundation is secretly calling the shots here--they gave Obama a role in the CAC and they fund FactCheck.org--then why have posters here used FactCheck.org before?

In fact, if you remember the 2004 debates, Cheney himself referred to FactCheck.org as the source of correct information. Was Cheney misguided and naive? Shouldn't you be emailing him about this great threat?

(And if you don't trust FactCheck.org, here's the article about Obama's birth certificate from Politifact: http://www.politifac...)

They used it because it fit

They used it because it fit their views, not necessarily because it was fact.  I have never used them as a source because I don't trust them.  They lie and truth to suit their purposes and I never know which they are really doing.  If they have a point that I want to check out, I will verify it with another source and use the other source.  Just because a liar tells the truth once does not mean we should trust the liar.

 

true, but the flip side is that sometimes a liar tells the truth

Amber, someone who lies can tell the truth, but that doesn't mean we should always trust that liar to do so--you and I agree on that.

But the flip side to that is that sometimes a person who lies does tell the truth--and it's still true even if it is being said by someone who often lies.

So here, FactCheck.org and Politifact agree. You don't trust FactCheck.org, but you accept that they may tell the truth sometimes--and here you have Politifact agreeing with them, which would seem to raise the chances that this is a true story.

Do you agree?

(P.S. And are you saying that the NB team used things from FactCheck.org "because it fit their views"--are you saying that the NB team (or some members of it) are not always truthful?)

I agree, liars tell the

I agree, liars tell the truth too and it is important to verify if they are telling the truth.  I found, in my own searches, the birth certificate was not real.  So, it really does not matter if Mother Teresa says it is real, until the US government looks at it and verifies it is his real COLB, I am not saying it is.  If / when that happens, I will say it is real, but not before.

I don't think the articles that Newsbuster does here that use factcheck are dishonest, but I do think it is diningenuous to use a source to back your views and laud it as a truthful source when even they (not all posters here admit that) admit it is in the tank for Obama and willing to cover up the truth for him.  I wouldn't use them as a source, it would be akin to taking Dan Rather's word for it.  Sure, Mr. Rather has done some good reporting (I am sure he has, I am just too young to know) but his last one shot all of his credibility. 

I am not saying I do not lie, by the way.  Everyone does.  That is why it is so important to have multiple sources.  Our news media is all messed up because of the AP monopoly.  Bloggers and researchers, like the ones here, are doing a good job at turning it around.

what US government officials would you believe?

Amber,

Hawai'ian state officials have been in contact with FactCheck.org and Politifact, and they have noted that this is a correct birth certificate. Do you not trust those officials or do you not trust the websites that have reported those contacts with those officials?

No, the real issue is

No, the real issue is accepting Factcheck.org as an imprimatur of total accuracy and to suspend our disbelief.  Factcheck.org is fallible because it is run by human beings and the absence of a documented mistake on their part does not give them the imprimatur of infallibility.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Drivers license vs Birth certificate

The requirement to present a birth cert only came  after Islam murdered 3,000 Americans on 9-11-01. The Islamic murderers had dozens of drivers licenses from a number of states but none had birth certificates. The fact is Hussein O could have a dozen drivers licenses from Il in different names if he obtained them prior to 911. Hussein O was an Islamist when he attended school in Kenya and his records show it. Democrats are so dense they fall to every con who comes along. Bet they buy a lot from door to door sales people and order a lot of unusable free stuff with shipping only $49.95. 

 

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So...a child born outside the USA...

...to an American parent(s) is to be considered a citizen of the country he was born, correct? It states clearly in the Constitution of the United States for the qualifications of the President...

No person except a natural born citizen,
or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this
Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither
shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained
to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident
within the United States.

Hmmm... this needs to be investigated more thoroughly...If Obama-man was born in Kenya and McCain was born in Panama...wouldn't the discrepancies cancel each other out in the end??? Does it matter anymore? Aren't we far enough along where no one gives a damn?

Or is this going to be another ploy and distraction to keep the media