As people that actually pay attention to weather are aware, the winter in the Northern Hemisphere this year is following the same pattern as last year's extraordinarily frigid conditions in the Southern Hemisphere.
In fact, all kinds of cold and snow-related records are occurring all over the supposedly warming planet this winter despite continued claims by climate alarmists that the world will come to an end if we all don't immediately reduce our emissions of that awful -- naturally occurring and necessary for most life on earth! -- gas, carbon dioxide.
Makes one wonder how climate alarmists will spin the winter of 2008 so as to keep alive their precious global warming myth. Fortunately, as NewsBusters has reported for many months, foreign press outlets are much more honest with their citizens than America's, as observed in this fabulous article in the Canadian National Post Monday (emphasis added throughout, h/t NBer Oscar Goldman):
Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.
The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."
China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.
Brrr. I'm getting cold just thinking about. But there's more:
And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.
The ice is back.
Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.
I bet you hadn't heard that the ice in the Arctic has mysteriously returned. Why do you think that is?
Want to know what else has returned? The snow to Mt. Kilimanjaro:

But media won't tell you about that, either.
Isn't it great having a "free press?"
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















Comments Policy
Is The Pope Catholic?
February 25, 2008 - 12:52 ET by PSPCplWhen ever I asked my Dad a dumb question to which the answer was a resounding "yes", I would get this in question in response. Anything that makes Al Gore look like blithering idiot that he is and/or discredits the enviro orthodoxy will never make it past the editors at any MSM outlet.
If it Doesn't Fit
February 25, 2008 - 12:55 ET by allanf"If it doesn't fit you must acquit". In this case certain scientists will merely reweight the data to account for "anomalous" readings.
Global Warming?
February 25, 2008 - 13:04 ET by merlin61Again, Al Gore is wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!
I love it!!!
Record snowfall? Al
February 25, 2008 - 13:23 ET by JerryRecord snowfall? Al demands a recount. But only in select precincts... the Mohave desert and the tropical rain forest.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Didn't you get the memo?
February 25, 2008 - 13:29 ET by aeroveloIts no longer called "Global Warming". Its now called "Climate Change". Make a note of it.
See, the weather just wasnt cooperating for them to continue to call it global warming and not have people break into laughter, so the hand-wringers got together and decided that the money was just too good to walk away from. So instead of killing the cash cow, it was time to rename it to climate change. This way, no matter what the weather does, you can still make a buck or two off of scaring people.
The MSM will reliably report every snow storm, every heat wave, every hurricane as if it was final, absolute proof that we are doooooomed.
Grants will still get written for for "research" [read propaganda] into the matter and companies will still clammor to re-brand their wares as "eco-friendly" or "green" so as to not miss out on any hysteria based buying.
So if you could just go ahead and try to remember to call it "climate change"....that would be great...mm hmmm.
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Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
Yeah, I'm going to have to
February 26, 2008 - 14:01 ET by ZayneYeah, I'm going to have to ask you to come back next year with new data. Thanks.
Uh..Oh...Grab your SUV and start drivng
February 25, 2008 - 12:54 ET by JayTeeWe can stop this Ice Age from happening, if we just jump in our SUV's and start driving it in circles around the Neighborhood.....Global Warming will happen....and you can have your wife and Kids Jog along behind you...(more CO2 emissions)
And Don't forget to stop in the country and feed some Beans to the local Cows (methane).... and throw in some new Construction for Coal powered Plants.
And if this doesn't work...then the Global Warming people have been lying to us.
better idea to stop the Frozen Apocalypse
February 25, 2008 - 16:29 ET by UndercoverConservativeFire up the backyard barbecues!
Pork products especially. Takes care of cold weather and Muslim extremists in one tasty assault! :)
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
GW
February 25, 2008 - 13:07 ET by bsmarjThere is only one explaination for the cold.
Duh! It's Global Warming!
Excellent video.
Don't forget the hurricanes...
February 25, 2008 - 13:09 ET by tropicalreportNoel, global tropical cyclone output is at some of the lowest levels in nearly 30 years, with the Northern Hemisphere managing to come up with only 70% of the normal annual cyclone energy in 2007. While the US focuses on the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico, these ocean areas only account for 10-15% of the yearly global hurricane activity. If we are truly seeing a global warming signal in tropical cyclones, perhaps we should look at GLOBAL data rather than only the Atlantic (which may have cyclical behavior)?
It is very hard to find a trend from the figures on this Tropical Cyclone climate page:
http://www.coaps.fsu...
darn it
February 25, 2008 - 13:09 ET by bws53What am I going to do with all these carbon offsets I bought? Who would've thought they'd be more worthless than SCO stock?
I don't recall...
February 25, 2008 - 13:11 ET by acumenMakes one wonder how climate alarmists will spin the winter of 2008 so as to keep alive their precious global warming myth.
Winter of 2008? What winter of 2008? I don't recall. Way too early to determine any trend.
Now the prevailing winter of 2007, that was a scorcher. 2007 is etched and seared, yes seared, into my preconception, yada, yada.
Of course it will!
February 25, 2008 - 13:15 ET by fonzie2178The global warming kooks don't want to be bothered with facts. That is why none of them, including Algore, flat-out refuse to debate the issue! To do so would be the end of their movement. The only thing they can do now is take credit for all their efforts. Never mind solar cycles or anything like that, that ACTUALLY affect the Earth's climate. You'll never hear about any of this without listening to conservative talk radio, as we all know the MSM is doing everything in its power to perpetuate this great scam. I say this as I sit buried under 12 inches of snow, expecting another 6-8 inches here in Iowa tonight. Global warming my a**! :-)
Reports like this just give
February 25, 2008 - 13:13 ET by bassndudeReports like this just give me a warm fuzzy feeling all over. I read this earlier this morning. Its always good when these things get out, but sad that the media here in the US, (Mr. Global Warmings home), just ignore it. Im not sure if its because they will not admit they were wrong, or because they dont want Al Gore to lose his job.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Another touche', Noel!
February 25, 2008 - 13:14 ET by Wildcatter1980The MSM continues to show they are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO in the tank for their own personal political causes and agenda!
Wonder if their "excuse" will be, "It's the weather, d*mn it! We're talking about the climate and saving the planet, you 'in the tank for big oil' Rethuglican!"
Just my $0.02
Harsh winter? Where? The
February 25, 2008 - 13:33 ET by LeonHarsh winter? Where?
The Northeast, traditionally known for harsh winters, has been incredibly mild all year.
In fact, I'll bet I could count the number of days below freezing in Philadelphia on my hands.
I saw you push this harsh winter myth the other day Noel. Perhaps there is more snowfall in certain areas, but I haven't seen any harsh winter. I'd be willing to bet the folks in NYC and Boston would agree.
Thanks a lot Leon,
February 25, 2008 - 13:54 ET by fonzie2178You gave us Midwesterners your winter this year. Maybe you should think about taking it back for next year! (I'm kidding of course, but we have been getting slammed here)! :-)
Leon
February 25, 2008 - 14:40 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
You've perfectly represented the absurdity of this entire issue by claiming that because the Northeast is experiencing a mild winter, that completely trumps the record cold happening elsewhere in America, as well as across the globe.
In essence what you've proven is that much like politics, climate is ALL local! Thank you for playing my game. :-) ns
Noel, Of course you are
February 25, 2008 - 16:04 ET by LeonNoel,
Of course you are correct. I was being purposefully facetious, but for me, it HAS been a very mild winter.
Put a real damper on my ski plans. I was planning on heading up to Sunday River in Maine this March but it just doesn't seem worth it with the low quality snow we've been getting. Going to have to shell out the extra cash to go to Whistler this year instead.
Leon
February 25, 2008 - 16:07 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
I'm confused. Stowe, Vermont, is reporting very good conditions, with a major storm on the way: http://www.stowe.com...
A friend of mine lives in South Woodstock, VT, and he claims this has been a VERY cold winter so far. ns
Noel, I was up in
February 25, 2008 - 16:21 ET by LeonNoel,
I was up in Stratton last weekend and it was pretty icy and a lot of groomed snow. Not a whole lot of powder. Certainly skiiable but not good enough to waste a week of vacation on.
The key for me is to always check the amount of natural snow vs. the amount of snow-making. A high level of manufactured snow is always a dubious indicator for me.
The Poconos in PA is basically not even worth considering.
Apples and Oranges
February 25, 2008 - 17:28 ET by Del DolemonteYour problem is you went to southern Vermont. You need to get up to the far northern areas like Stowe or Jay Peak.
Here in New Hampshire the skiing snow has been great all winter. I'm sure it is at Sunday River in Maine as well.
Mild my Ass
February 25, 2008 - 17:06 ET by PopularTechIt has been a bitter cold winter. I am out at night every night for hours and it has been anything but warm. There is nothing mild about this winter and I live in NJ - near Leon. The problem is people like him try to relate to their handful of times they are outside of a climate controlled building to use as evidence of what the weather is like. Try camping and tell me how "mild" it has been. These same people never paid attention to the weather 20 years ago like they do today thanks to the hysteria. Humans are not good for data keeping in their mind. They only remember extremes or things relating to experiences they have had.
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Thank you for playing,,,
February 25, 2008 - 21:34 ET by BlondeMost excellent, NS. Perhaps delicious, even.
Well, it's been hotter here, generally, this winter....well except for a certain weekend when it was so cold (you remember...you were in Florida then) when it was raining iguanas.
Typical, tho, of the warmers to try to point at one particular little weather node to make a broad sweeping statement about "climate change".
These liberals are really too, too transparent.
Stupid, but transparent.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hey Leon,
February 25, 2008 - 14:57 ET by mastersofdeceitCheck it out.
http://www.whittierd...
"..probably pushed southward by COLD NORTHERN and interior temperatures.."
Move to Minnesota
February 25, 2008 - 15:04 ET by CobraMan"Harsh winter? Where?"
Harsh winters in the Northeast? Since when? And Where? Maybe high up in the mountains where harsh climate is expected, but where else?
If you want to experance an ACTUAL harsh winter, you should move to Minnesota (yes, 10 to 20 below zero is harsh! Now add 6 inches or more of snow falling in just a day. And don‘t forget the wind-chill factor) or any of the upper plains states. We're known for rather harsh winters and I can personally attest to the fact that the last TWO years have been especially harsh.
(On edit: removed a reference to a NORTHWEST state that has no bearing on the discussion. Note to self: consult your intelligence from time to time when offering comments)
Wait a minute Cobradude...
February 25, 2008 - 15:36 ET by JayTeeLeon hasn't been to the North Pole, yet he believes the Ice is melting.....during the Summer....he just hasn't been told by Al Gore that it re-freezes again in the Winter.
Al's witholding critical information.
Leon, did you even read the
February 25, 2008 - 15:31 ET by bassndudeLeon, did you even read the report? Or do you refuse to do so and belive that if winter is mild at your house, it is mild in the rest of the world to? Im betting you wont read anything that challenges your pre conceptions.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Here ya go, Leon
February 25, 2008 - 15:58 ET by QueenMumSome reading to keep you busy.
Chicago weather this winter? - Harsh, as usual.
Power to the people!
Thanks Queen, That will
February 25, 2008 - 16:07 ET by LeonThanks Queen,
That will certainly be interesting reading. Unfortunately for the current debate, I have no historical context. I'll have to do some more research, but thanks for the solid start!
You're welcome, Leon
February 25, 2008 - 16:18 ET by QueenMumPlease also consider this.
Power to the people!
Interesting Queen. I
February 25, 2008 - 16:28 ET by LeonInteresting Queen.
I barely follow the specifics of my weather let alone those of other areas, but as far as I've been concerned this winter it's been extremely mild. On president's day I was walking around in a t-shirt. That's simply unnatural.
Like I said in my original post, I can count the days we've been below freezing on my hands. This is the second mild winter in a row for us. It's been a real bummer on the skiing. While not the greatest resorts in even the best of weather, it is nice to have the poconos only an hour or 2 away from the city, but we haven't been able to use them at all really these past few years. It's a real waste.
Leon: Perhaps you should
February 25, 2008 - 16:43 ET by QueenMumLeon: Perhaps you should head out to South Wisconsin.
Power to the people!
Try Northern Wisconsin
February 25, 2008 - 20:53 ET by CGattonForget southern Wisconsin...come up here to northern Wisconsin, where we've been calling off school for the following day because it's way too cold this afternoon to even think about getting buses out at 4:00 tomorrow morning, lol. (No, not today, but this winter!)
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
How does the saying go?
February 25, 2008 - 18:01 ET by Roger the ShrubberHow does the saying go? Better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Despite relatively few significant snow storms, the Poconos Ski areas have all been running at or near 100% for the past month, particularly on weekends.
Roger, I never said
February 26, 2008 - 07:49 ET by LeonRoger,
I never said people weren't going there, I just said the skiing is garbage.
If you're relying on snow-making for your snow, you will have awful skiing conditions. Fact.
Leon, I don't know where
February 26, 2008 - 07:21 ET by motherbeltLeon, I don't know where you live, but I live in PA. Been here 7 years, and this is by far the coldest winter I've experienced here.
Every year some places have colder or hotter winters and summers. To just report on the anecdotal warmer winter temps or hotter summer temps while simply ignoring the anecdotal instances of the opposit is just shoddy reporting.
mb, Where do you live?
February 26, 2008 - 07:58 ET by Leonmb,
Where do you live? I live in Phladelphia and it's been a balmy winter. And the temperature records back it up.
Philadelphia at the half-way point through the 2008 (January 18th), was averaging 3.5 degrees above normal. 3 days at 65 degrees.
The warmest winter in Philly ever? 1889 - averaged +7.9 degrees. Second warmest winter in Philly ever? 2007 - averaged +7.8 degrees.
Our total snowfall as of the halfway point was 1.8 inches. 1.8 inches!! That's nothing. We are at 30% of normal snow.
So not sure where you live, but I'd be willing to bet it's not been as cold as you believe it has been.
Link
21 days where temp went to 32 or below from 11/24 to 12/31/2007
February 26, 2008 - 08:06 ET by PawpawNFACTS FOR LEON: Seems Philly had 21 days & nights where the temp was at 32 degrees or below from 11/24 to 13/31/2007. Therefore your "hasn't been freezing or below appars incorrect. What weather data you using, living room thermometer!!
40 Days Below Freezing so far in Philadelphia this Winter
February 26, 2008 - 08:49 ET by PopularTechSince Winter starts on Dec 22, you have 40 days so far this winter below Freezing but to Leon this never happened because he only has so many fingers.
Philadelphia Winter 2008 Low Temperature History
If you include temperatures back to November you have 56 Days below Freezing!
Philadelphia Nov 2007 - Feb 2008 Low Temperature History
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Leon
February 26, 2008 - 09:06 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
Are you going to respond to the weather FACTS in your area, and apologize for misrepresenting them in order to advance your agenda? Or, are you going to behave like the rest of the climate alarmists, and present nonsense that's easily refuted?
Regardless, I must sincerely thank you again for playing my game, for you have possibly better than anyone else demonstrated what a crock of crap the global warming myth is, and how people on your side are so blinded by their dogma that they don't even know what the weather is like in their own backyard!!!
Thank you, Leon. This thread will be forever preserved as the moment when the real nature of the global warming myth was exposed for all to see. ns
Noel, I have already
February 26, 2008 - 09:53 ET by LeonNoel,
I have already posted the facts, you have simply ignored them
1) Philadelphia as of January 18th, halfway through the winter was averaging +3.5 degrees above normal. The warmest winter ever was 7.9 degrees above normal. Aka - we are experiencing a warm winter. I don't know how I can be any more clear for you. (LINK)
2) We have had 1.8 inches of snowfall as of January 18th. This is 30% of normal. Hardly a harsh winter. (link)
3) PopTech is posting the number of days where the LOW got below freezing. The LOW. What's the point of looking at the low without looking at the high? You have to look at the average daily temperatures, of which, only 13 this winter are below freezing, as per PopTech's own graph.
4) I was indeed in Stratton this month and guess what I saw? Packed powder, snow making everywhere, tons of grooming...aka weak conditions. Read some skiier reviews. Too much freezing rain, too much grooming to turn the ice crust to frozen granular. There have been good days, but I haven't seen them. Again, I claimed the conditions weren't good enough to warrant a week of vacation and I stand by that. I don't want ice patches, I don't want groomed snow, I want fresh, deep powder. Not worth the risk of going to VT or Maine and ending up with a week of freezing rain.
There's your facts. Don't know how to make it any more clear for you.
Normal? Fact = 56 days dropped below freezing
February 26, 2008 - 18:23 ET by PopularTechNothing is as dishonest as stating something as "normal" when you cannot prove what that is.
The point of looking at the low is to prove that so far over 56 days have dropped below freezing = fact. Ignoring reality does not change it.
Maybe in the future we can get your anecdotal commentary of a recent trip to a local ski resort to make climate based decisions. The rest of us will look at the data.
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So Philadelphia is getting as much snow as 1950?
February 26, 2008 - 18:16 ET by PopularTechLeon, your lack of research cracks me up. Do you ever look at history?
Historic Philadelphia Snow Fall
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Here's some facts for LEON!
February 26, 2008 - 07:58 ET by PawpawNCheck out the highs and lows and the dates LEON. You should know more about where you live before bringing discussion! http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/phi/climate/phlclimate.html
Leon has 8 Hands?
February 25, 2008 - 16:54 ET by PopularTechLeon you have 8 hands? (40 days below freezing)
Philadelphia Winter 2008 Low Temperature History
Can I get paid everytime Leon says an idiotic comment.
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No Pop Tech...but
February 25, 2008 - 17:13 ET by JayTeeEverytime you reply to Leon, you can get 3 Credits towards your Masters Degree..........In Urban Legend Management....
Yeah except that PopTech
February 26, 2008 - 08:01 ET by LeonYeah except that PopTech can't add.
Obviously you look at the average temp for each day b/c it makes no sense to look at the extremes.
How many days were below freezing?
13. 13. 13.
So I don't have 3 extra fingers but I was close.
Leon those day's low termperartures do not exist?
February 26, 2008 - 08:41 ET by PopularTechSo the 40 times that it was recorded that it dropped below freezing never happened? It must be nice to ignore reality in your world.
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"Take It Away, Leon, Take It Away!"
February 25, 2008 - 17:23 ET by Del Dolemonte(Bob Wills, 1936)
Sorry, Leon, but Pennyslvania, while technically in the northeastern part of the US, is really more of an "Atlantic state".
Here in central New Hampshire, which IS legitimately a part of the Northeast, I have measured almost 12 FEET of snowfall since December 1st of 2007. That's an alltime record. Our official NWS office in the State Capitol of Concord has also set an alltime record for snow. And they take their measurements 700 feet lower than I do. My daily high temperatures have been above freezing only 3 days out of 25 this month.
Many of our local towns have run out of money to keep their streets clear. Even the rich Boston suburb of Newton has had to get extra money to plow all the white stuff.
And we have another 12 inches of global warming set to arrive tomorrow.
It's also interesting to note that last month on the Hawaiian island of Maui, the snow line on Mt. Haleakala drooped all the way down to the 7,000 foot level. That's rare.
Del
February 26, 2008 - 09:18 ET by Noel SheppardDel,
I had a feeling he was full of crap, for a friend of mine that lives in South Woodstock, Vermont, has been complaining to me about hold cold it's been for months. As I stated above, this is how the climate alarmists work. They make any claim they want irrespective of facts.
But, why should that surprise us, because this is the MO of virtually every Democrat. We see them do this regularly when it comes to economic, fiscal, and security issues. Facts are totally irrelevant to these people. And, Leon just proved how unimportant facts are to them with respect to global warming.
I guess this is why the leaders of this movement refuse to debate any of the climate realists! :-) ns
Nothing to see here
February 25, 2008 - 13:35 ET by landsharkThe lefties/enviros are in CYA mode - which is why they're quietly dropping the phrase "global warming" in favor of "climate change", covering every possible climate event without fear of being contradicted by...um.... reality.
Which makes it even more strange that they're sticking with the assertion that there is only one public policy solution; reducing carbon dioxide emissions.
Scary thing about Climate
February 25, 2008 - 17:26 ET by general companyScary thing about Climate Change is you never know what tommorrow will be like, it may even Rain. (shudder)
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
Global cooling cause by the global warming...duh!
February 25, 2008 - 13:37 ET by wizardjrCome on you guys. We explained that to you several years ago. It's the global cooling caused by the global warming. Didn't you see the movie "The Day After Tomorrow"? We'll have an instant Ice Age because of global warming. </sarc>>
Now, if only intellectually
February 25, 2008 - 13:39 ET by Mr. KafirNow, if only intellectually honest Californians can convince the Schmuck in Sacramento to read this article, we won't be required to use florescent bulbs, drive super fuel efficient cars, shut off our air conditioning, and use carpool lanes. Isn't socialism great?!?!?!?
I worry myself to sleep every night because I live in the People's Republic of California, led by an ignorant hollywood star married to a Kennedy. I'm so disgusted....
People who actually understand global warming
February 25, 2008 - 13:44 ET by JustaPatriotAs people that actually understand global warming, Noel, it’s not about how hot it gets, it’s the severity and extremes of the weather that is the trade mark of global warming. I can see how individuals who pick and choose their information and (or) just read synopsis can be very misinformed.
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
Thanks, JustaPatriot
February 25, 2008 - 13:49 ET by Mica the Magnificent. . .and that damn ice age . . .damn those SUV's!
If only the wooly mammoths understood carbon credits!
Global Warming Trademark??
February 25, 2008 - 14:11 ET by m36b1Trade Mark of Global Warming?? What a load. What trade mark is that? The trademark signs of Wooly Mammoth flatulence that melted the glaciers covering North America? And come on.... "Picking and choosing information"?? That's really rich coming from global warming chicken little experts screaching about Hurricane Katrina or even just a couple days in July over 100 as irrefutable proof of global warming.
Pu-Leeezzzze.
The trade mark of global
February 25, 2008 - 15:38 ET by JustaPatriotThe trade mark of global warming is not the earth heating up that we can notice, but the miniscule warming that sets in motion the processes that create the extreme weather the earth is experiencing
The trademark signs of Wooly Mammoth flatulence that melted the glaciers covering North America
you must of got that one from those here that want more research...
That's really rich coming from global warming chicken little experts screaching about Hurricane Katrina or even just a couple days in July over 100 as irrefutable proof of global warming
again m36b1, you really need to broaden you reading materials on climate change.
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
What extreme weather?
February 25, 2008 - 17:13 ET by PopularTechWhat extreme weather? There is no extreme weather. I have beyond broadened my reading material on climate change.
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Extreme weather is nothing new
February 25, 2008 - 17:24 ET by r22weissExtreme weather has happened on Earth for a very long time, not just from what we call "Global Warming" or "Climate Change".
Did global warming cause the blizards and winter storms during the winters of 1976, 1977, 1978, and 1979? No. Did Global Warming cause the Super Tornado Outbreak in April of 1974 where portions of the US had Tornadic thunderstorms during the afternoon and snow at night. No. Did Global Warming cause the mild winters in the Northeast US from 1972-1975? No.
Back in the 1970's the next Ice Age was the rave. Yet, there were plenty of extreme weather situations during that time frame and well before and after that.
Don't forget the "dust
February 25, 2008 - 19:09 ET by JerryDon't forget the "dust bowl" days of the 30's where our heartland dried up and blew away. That must have been Global Warming's great grandad.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
" but the miniscule
February 25, 2008 - 22:12 ET by danbo" but the miniscule warming that sets in motion the processes that create the extreme weather the earth is experiencing "
You mean like the Little Ice Age. Where the bishop had to perform an exorcism on the advancing glaciers. Or the Dust Bowl. Or the climate disaster 535/6-40. And the year 1816.
Yep climate disasters never occured before. Except problems are usually caused by cold. Warm is usually fairly good times.
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Hey dan,
February 25, 2008 - 22:15 ET by BlondeLong time, no see.
Good to see you're still fighting the good fight.
How's the cold up your way? It's kinda warm, here....LOL.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hey again. Missed your
February 26, 2008 - 07:56 ET by danboHey again. Missed your message last night.
Winter here? We had some brief cold periods down into the lower 20's and the normal warming spells. (It's normal for us to have periods of shorts and t-shirt weather in winter.)
We seem to be south of the cold track this year. Last winter seemed colder. Though it got colder this year, we didn't have many warm periods last year. We just had a lot of "cooler" weather. Far fewer shorts days.
Right now it looks like early spring. (Though it's supposed to drop into the lower 30's tonight.) The oriental magnolias are blooming as are the camilias, and carolina jasmine. (The camilias look like hell this year because of the frosts.)The narcissis are popping up but have a ways till they bloom. I'm seeing the 1st blooms on the azelias. The louisiana Irises are growing like crazy. Nothing from the tropicals yet. It should be really nice in 3-5 weeks when the azelias and then the irises kick in.
I tossed in the garden talk. To give heart to those suffering up north. LOL Spring is coming.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Again with the trademarks...
February 26, 2008 - 18:32 ET by m36b1Perhaps you should broaden your scientific reading material a bit JustaPatriot. You should take your, um, really original catch phrase "Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it....." and apply that to the Ice Age, Warming Periods melting glaciers, world-wide drought periods, solar flare periods, all of which man had and has no effect upon, to heart before trying to come across as the enlighted Gore-bot that your are.
Parrot, you are probably
February 25, 2008 - 14:13 ET by Dan The Man 2Parrot, you are probably here for a driveby, but the idea is articles like these and the fluctuations in the "norm" is used to sell Climate Change. The people here and elsewhere say we need to wait and see and do more research. There is not a sample big enough or accurate enough to determine that humans have a big effect on Climate.
The Al Gores of teh world are telling us the sky is falling because they have proof and show us the acorn. We need more time and sampling and real science, not alarm.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Still can’t get out of the
February 25, 2008 - 15:26 ET by JustaPatriotStill can’t get out of the Carl Rove school of attack politics, Dan the Man 2, first don’t like the message attack the messenger “Parrot, you are probably here for a driveby”then make a statement that has no correlation to the content of the message “but the idea is articles like these and the fluctuations in the "norm" is used to sell Climate Change”I don’t think Noels article is professing a pro climate change message, “and the fluctuations in the “norm” is used to sell Climate Change” norms never sell anything it is the extremes that the scientists are worried about and then make statements that obfuscates the facts.“The people here and elsewhere say we need to wait and see and do more research. There is not a sample big enough or accurate enough to determine that humans have a big effect on Climate".
True to form Dan the Man2
Credit where credit is do, that’s G.W’s mantra “we need more research” The Al Gores of the tech world are telling us facts that have been gleemed by reaserch that started in the 1960’s. The research points to changes in the climate by human interactions. Those changes are increasing as human interations increase on the planet. That doesn’t mean the earth processes by itself won’t change the environment against human life, but why not be more enviromental friendly? It can be good for business and is the right thing to do ( the moral high ground…). As for burdons placed on business and individuals, is anyone here old enough to remember, the inventions of phosphate fertilizers in the 40’s, plastics in the 50’s, pcb’s, air and water contaminations from the 60’s. All these inventions and processes were thought to be a panacea for humanity at the time, only after years of unfettered use did we find that these all had dangerous side effects for humans. Back then the mantra was the same as now, more research is needed, how do we know these are bad for humans, we need more research before we can say these are harmful. Only when people were dying was it researched enough for action. Is that what “ the people here and elsewhere say we need to wait and see and do more research….” you and these people want to do wait until people are dying???
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
Wait a minute JP, are you
February 25, 2008 - 15:44 ET by Clear thinkerWait a minute JP, are you falling for the global climate change garbage?
Justa, in the 60's and 70's
February 25, 2008 - 15:52 ET by bassndudeJusta, in the 60's and 70's it was global cooling. I remember the headlines, prep for a new ice age! your history is fuzzy.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Correct, bassndude
February 25, 2008 - 16:06 ET by Mica the MagnificentAccording the MSM of the '60's and '70's - the earth should resemble the moon by now.
I remember a cover of Newsweek (or Time) in the early 70's that had Uncle Sam holding an empty 'horn of plenty' with the caption "We're running out of everything."
By now, global cooling should have reduced our food supply to canned goods packaged in the '50's.
It is confirmed by a consensus of scientists that we are in a period of global cooling . . . what? . . . what? . . . Oh . . . Global warming . . . what? . . . oh, global climate change . . . what? . . . - - - A confused scientific consensus spokesman through the years
I remember those stories
February 25, 2008 - 19:35 ET by JustaPatriotI remember those stories also, bassdude, but isn’t that part of the scientific investigation process. One starts with hypothesis and through investigation ideas get ruled in or out. Now over 45 years later, we know much more about climate processes.
I don’t know if we (humans) are changing our climate or not, I’ve read enough for me to see a relationship, I see how locally our society is quite wasteful with our resources, and plain careless with all the toxic wastes we dispose of. .We knew even less in the 60’s, does anyone remember biking through the mosquito smoke as a kid, when they would drive through town spraying? Had we only known…or who would have guessed we humans could actually make water burn (the Cuyahga River fire) I’ve heard the “more research is needed” with pcb’s, plastics, fertilizers, and ddt until people and animals started dying before regulations stepped in. At one time it was thought that smog pollution was just another earth process that we would have to live with. To think we humans could irresponsibly change our climate, yes I can see it, to ireversably change our climate we wouldn’t know until it was to late. To err on the side of caution seems the appropriate path, but obviously a lot here disagree. I don’t see why moving our society to be more respectful of the environment has a down side. Yes there are up front costs, but the wealth of new jobs and businesses will power our economy through the end of this century
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
" One starts with
February 25, 2008 - 20:03 ET by danbo" One starts with hypothesis and through investigation ideas get ruled in or out."
Sorry. That's not how science works. (Or at least not how it should work.) You start with the data. Then you form a hypothesis that might explain the data. Then you test the hypothesis.
Which is different from forming a hypothesis and going out and looking for the data that supports the hypothesis.
We can make two types of errors. We can reject a true hypothesis and we can also accept a false hypothesis.
As we can accept a false hypothesis. Any data which does not support the hypothesis and contradicts it; is important and shows it's problems. (There's lots of data that's a problem for AGW.)
As has been said. Many beautiful theories have been destroyed by ugly facts.
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