As people that actually pay attention to weather are aware, the winter in the Northern Hemisphere this year is following the same pattern as last year's extraordinarily frigid conditions in the Southern Hemisphere.
In fact, all kinds of cold and snow-related records are occurring all over the supposedly warming planet this winter despite continued claims by climate alarmists that the world will come to an end if we all don't immediately reduce our emissions of that awful -- naturally occurring and necessary for most life on earth! -- gas, carbon dioxide.
Makes one wonder how climate alarmists will spin the winter of 2008 so as to keep alive their precious global warming myth. Fortunately, as NewsBusters has reported for many months, foreign press outlets are much more honest with their citizens than America's, as observed in this fabulous article in the Canadian National Post Monday (emphasis added throughout, h/t NBer Oscar Goldman):
Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.
The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."
China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.
Brrr. I'm getting cold just thinking about. But there's more:
And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.
The ice is back.
Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.
I bet you hadn't heard that the ice in the Arctic has mysteriously returned. Why do you think that is?
Want to know what else has returned? The snow to Mt. Kilimanjaro:
But media won't tell you about that, either.
Isn't it great having a "free press?"
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Is The Pope Catholic?
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 13:52 ET by PSPCplWhen ever I asked my Dad a dumb question to which the answer was a resounding "yes", I would get this in question in response. Anything that makes Al Gore look like blithering idiot that he is and/or discredits the enviro orthodoxy will never make it past the editors at any MSM outlet.
If it Doesn't Fit
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 13:55 ET by allanf"If it doesn't fit you must acquit". In this case certain scientists will merely reweight the data to account for "anomalous" readings.
Global Warming?
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:04 ET by merlin61Again, Al Gore is wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!
I love it!!!
Record snowfall? Al
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:23 ET by JerryRecord snowfall? Al demands a recount. But only in select precincts... the Mohave desert and the tropical rain forest.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Didn't you get the memo?
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:29 ET by aeroveloIts no longer called "Global Warming". Its now called "Climate Change". Make a note of it.
See, the weather just wasnt cooperating for them to continue to call it global warming and not have people break into laughter, so the hand-wringers got together and decided that the money was just too good to walk away from. So instead of killing the cash cow, it was time to rename it to climate change. This way, no matter what the weather does, you can still make a buck or two off of scaring people.
The MSM will reliably report every snow storm, every heat wave, every hurricane as if it was final, absolute proof that we are doooooomed.
Grants will still get written for for "research" [read propaganda] into the matter and companies will still clammor to re-brand their wares as "eco-friendly" or "green" so as to not miss out on any hysteria based buying.
So if you could just go ahead and try to remember to call it "climate change"....that would be great...mm hmmm.
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Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
Yeah, I'm going to have to
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 15:01 ET by ZayneYeah, I'm going to have to ask you to come back next year with new data. Thanks.
Uh..Oh...Grab your SUV and start drivng
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 13:54 ET by JayTeeWe can stop this Ice Age from happening, if we just jump in our SUV's and start driving it in circles around the Neighborhood.....Global Warming will happen....and you can have your wife and Kids Jog along behind you...(more CO2 emissions)
And Don't forget to stop in the country and feed some Beans to the local Cows (methane).... and throw in some new Construction for Coal powered Plants.
And if this doesn't work...then the Global Warming people have been lying to us.
better idea to stop the Frozen Apocalypse
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:29 ET by UndercoverConservativeFire up the backyard barbecues!
Pork products especially. Takes care of cold weather and Muslim extremists in one tasty assault! :)
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
GW
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:07 ET by bsmarjThere is only one explaination for the cold.
Duh! It's Global Warming!
Excellent video.
Don't forget the hurricanes...
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:09 ET by tropicalreportNoel, global tropical cyclone output is at some of the lowest levels in nearly 30 years, with the Northern Hemisphere managing to come up with only 70% of the normal annual cyclone energy in 2007. While the US focuses on the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico, these ocean areas only account for 10-15% of the yearly global hurricane activity. If we are truly seeing a global warming signal in tropical cyclones, perhaps we should look at GLOBAL data rather than only the Atlantic (which may have cyclical behavior)?
It is very hard to find a trend from the figures on this Tropical Cyclone climate page:
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/
darn it
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:09 ET by bws53What am I going to do with all these carbon offsets I bought? Who would've thought they'd be more worthless than SCO stock?
I don't recall...
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:11 ET by acumenMakes one wonder how climate alarmists will spin the winter of 2008 so as to keep alive their precious global warming myth.
Winter of 2008? What winter of 2008? I don't recall. Way too early to determine any trend.
Now the prevailing winter of 2007, that was a scorcher. 2007 is etched and seared, yes seared, into my preconception, yada, yada.
Of course it will!
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:15 ET by fonzie2178The global warming kooks don't want to be bothered with facts. That is why none of them, including Algore, flat-out refuse to debate the issue! To do so would be the end of their movement. The only thing they can do now is take credit for all their efforts. Never mind solar cycles or anything like that, that ACTUALLY affect the Earth's climate. You'll never hear about any of this without listening to conservative talk radio, as we all know the MSM is doing everything in its power to perpetuate this great scam. I say this as I sit buried under 12 inches of snow, expecting another 6-8 inches here in Iowa tonight. Global warming my a**! :-)
Reports like this just give
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:13 ET by bassndudeReports like this just give me a warm fuzzy feeling all over. I read this earlier this morning. Its always good when these things get out, but sad that the media here in the US, (Mr. Global Warmings home), just ignore it. Im not sure if its because they will not admit they were wrong, or because they dont want Al Gore to lose his job.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Another touche', Noel!
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:14 ET by Wildcatter1980The MSM continues to show they are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO in the tank for their own personal political causes and agenda!
Wonder if their "excuse" will be, "It's the weather, d*mn it! We're talking about the climate and saving the planet, you 'in the tank for big oil' Rethuglican!"
Just my $0.02
Harsh winter? Where? The
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:33 ET by LeonHarsh winter? Where?
The Northeast, traditionally known for harsh winters, has been incredibly mild all year.
In fact, I'll bet I could count the number of days below freezing in Philadelphia on my hands.
I saw you push this harsh winter myth the other day Noel. Perhaps there is more snowfall in certain areas, but I haven't seen any harsh winter. I'd be willing to bet the folks in NYC and Boston would agree.
Thanks a lot Leon,
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:54 ET by fonzie2178You gave us Midwesterners your winter this year. Maybe you should think about taking it back for next year! (I'm kidding of course, but we have been getting slammed here)! :-)
Leon
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 15:40 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
You've perfectly represented the absurdity of this entire issue by claiming that because the Northeast is experiencing a mild winter, that completely trumps the record cold happening elsewhere in America, as well as across the globe.
In essence what you've proven is that much like politics, climate is ALL local! Thank you for playing my game. :-) ns
Noel, Of course you are
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:04 ET by LeonNoel,
Of course you are correct. I was being purposefully facetious, but for me, it HAS been a very mild winter.
Put a real damper on my ski plans. I was planning on heading up to Sunday River in Maine this March but it just doesn't seem worth it with the low quality snow we've been getting. Going to have to shell out the extra cash to go to Whistler this year instead.
Leon
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:07 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
I'm confused. Stowe, Vermont, is reporting very good conditions, with a major storm on the way: http://www.stowe.com/mountain/conditions.php
A friend of mine lives in South Woodstock, VT, and he claims this has been a VERY cold winter so far. ns
Noel, I was up in
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:21 ET by LeonNoel,
I was up in Stratton last weekend and it was pretty icy and a lot of groomed snow. Not a whole lot of powder. Certainly skiiable but not good enough to waste a week of vacation on.
The key for me is to always check the amount of natural snow vs. the amount of snow-making. A high level of manufactured snow is always a dubious indicator for me.
The Poconos in PA is basically not even worth considering.
Apples and Oranges
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:28 ET by Del DolemonteYour problem is you went to southern Vermont. You need to get up to the far northern areas like Stowe or Jay Peak.
Here in New Hampshire the skiing snow has been great all winter. I'm sure it is at Sunday River in Maine as well.
Mild my Ass
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:06 ET by PopularTechIt has been a bitter cold winter. I am out at night every night for hours and it has been anything but warm. There is nothing mild about this winter and I live in NJ - near Leon. The problem is people like him try to relate to their handful of times they are outside of a climate controlled building to use as evidence of what the weather is like. Try camping and tell me how "mild" it has been. These same people never paid attention to the weather 20 years ago like they do today thanks to the hysteria. Humans are not good for data keeping in their mind. They only remember extremes or things relating to experiences they have had.
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Thank you for playing,,,
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 22:34 ET by BlondeMost excellent, NS. Perhaps delicious, even.
Well, it's been hotter here, generally, this winter....well except for a certain weekend when it was so cold (you remember...you were in Florida then) when it was raining iguanas.
Typical, tho, of the warmers to try to point at one particular little weather node to make a broad sweeping statement about "climate change".
These liberals are really too, too transparent.
Stupid, but transparent.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hey Leon,
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 15:57 ET by mastersofdeceitCheck it out.
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/ci_8306321?source=rss_viewed
"..probably pushed southward by COLD NORTHERN and interior temperatures.."
Move to Minnesota
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:04 ET by CobraMan"Harsh winter? Where?"
Harsh winters in the Northeast? Since when? And Where? Maybe high up in the mountains where harsh climate is expected, but where else?
If you want to experance an ACTUAL harsh winter, you should move to Minnesota (yes, 10 to 20 below zero is harsh! Now add 6 inches or more of snow falling in just a day. And don‘t forget the wind-chill factor) or any of the upper plains states. We're known for rather harsh winters and I can personally attest to the fact that the last TWO years have been especially harsh.
(On edit: removed a reference to a NORTHWEST state that has no bearing on the discussion. Note to self: consult your intelligence from time to time when offering comments)
Wait a minute Cobradude...
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:36 ET by JayTeeLeon hasn't been to the North Pole, yet he believes the Ice is melting.....during the Summer....he just hasn't been told by Al Gore that it re-freezes again in the Winter.
Al's witholding critical information.
Leon, did you even read the
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:31 ET by bassndudeLeon, did you even read the report? Or do you refuse to do so and belive that if winter is mild at your house, it is mild in the rest of the world to? Im betting you wont read anything that challenges your pre conceptions.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Here ya go, Leon
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:58 ET by QueenMumSome reading to keep you busy.
Chicago weather this winter? - Harsh, as usual.
Power to the people!
Thanks Queen, That will
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:07 ET by LeonThanks Queen,
That will certainly be interesting reading. Unfortunately for the current debate, I have no historical context. I'll have to do some more research, but thanks for the solid start!
You're welcome, Leon
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:18 ET by QueenMumPlease also consider this.
Power to the people!
Interesting Queen. I
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:28 ET by LeonInteresting Queen.
I barely follow the specifics of my weather let alone those of other areas, but as far as I've been concerned this winter it's been extremely mild. On president's day I was walking around in a t-shirt. That's simply unnatural.
Like I said in my original post, I can count the days we've been below freezing on my hands. This is the second mild winter in a row for us. It's been a real bummer on the skiing. While not the greatest resorts in even the best of weather, it is nice to have the poconos only an hour or 2 away from the city, but we haven't been able to use them at all really these past few years. It's a real waste.
Leon: Perhaps you should
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:43 ET by QueenMumLeon: Perhaps you should head out to South Wisconsin.
Power to the people!
Try Northern Wisconsin
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:53 ET by CGattonForget southern Wisconsin...come up here to northern Wisconsin, where we've been calling off school for the following day because it's way too cold this afternoon to even think about getting buses out at 4:00 tomorrow morning, lol. (No, not today, but this winter!)
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
How does the saying go?
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 19:01 ET by Roger the ShrubberHow does the saying go? Better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Despite relatively few significant snow storms, the Poconos Ski areas have all been running at or near 100% for the past month, particularly on weekends.
Roger, I never said
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 08:49 ET by LeonRoger,
I never said people weren't going there, I just said the skiing is garbage.
If you're relying on snow-making for your snow, you will have awful skiing conditions. Fact.
Leon, I don't know where
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 08:21 ET by motherbeltLeon, I don't know where you live, but I live in PA. Been here 7 years, and this is by far the coldest winter I've experienced here.
Every year some places have colder or hotter winters and summers. To just report on the anecdotal warmer winter temps or hotter summer temps while simply ignoring the anecdotal instances of the opposit is just shoddy reporting.
mb, Where do you live?
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 08:58 ET by Leonmb,
Where do you live? I live in Phladelphia and it's been a balmy winter. And the temperature records back it up.
Philadelphia at the half-way point through the 2008 (January 18th), was averaging 3.5 degrees above normal. 3 days at 65 degrees.
The warmest winter in Philly ever? 1889 - averaged +7.9 degrees. Second warmest winter in Philly ever? 2007 - averaged +7.8 degrees.
Our total snowfall as of the halfway point was 1.8 inches. 1.8 inches!! That's nothing. We are at 30% of normal snow.
So not sure where you live, but I'd be willing to bet it's not been as cold as you believe it has been.
Link
21 days where temp went to 32 or below from 11/24 to 12/31/2007
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:06 ET by PawpawNFACTS FOR LEON: Seems Philly had 21 days & nights where the temp was at 32 degrees or below from 11/24 to 13/31/2007. Therefore your "hasn't been freezing or below appars incorrect. What weather data you using, living room thermometer!!
40 Days Below Freezing so far in Philadelphia this Winter
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:49 ET by PopularTechSince Winter starts on Dec 22, you have 40 days so far this winter below Freezing but to Leon this never happened because he only has so many fingers.
Philadelphia Winter 2008 Low Temperature History
If you include temperatures back to November you have 56 Days below Freezing!
Philadelphia Nov 2007 - Feb 2008 Low Temperature History
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Leon
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:06 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
Are you going to respond to the weather FACTS in your area, and apologize for misrepresenting them in order to advance your agenda? Or, are you going to behave like the rest of the climate alarmists, and present nonsense that's easily refuted?
Regardless, I must sincerely thank you again for playing my game, for you have possibly better than anyone else demonstrated what a crock of crap the global warming myth is, and how people on your side are so blinded by their dogma that they don't even know what the weather is like in their own backyard!!!
Thank you, Leon. This thread will be forever preserved as the moment when the real nature of the global warming myth was exposed for all to see. ns
Noel, I have already
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:53 ET by LeonNoel,
I have already posted the facts, you have simply ignored them
1) Philadelphia as of January 18th, halfway through the winter was averaging +3.5 degrees above normal. The warmest winter ever was 7.9 degrees above normal. Aka - we are experiencing a warm winter. I don't know how I can be any more clear for you. (LINK)
2) We have had 1.8 inches of snowfall as of January 18th. This is 30% of normal. Hardly a harsh winter. (link)
3) PopTech is posting the number of days where the LOW got below freezing. The LOW. What's the point of looking at the low without looking at the high? You have to look at the average daily temperatures, of which, only 13 this winter are below freezing, as per PopTech's own graph.
4) I was indeed in Stratton this month and guess what I saw? Packed powder, snow making everywhere, tons of grooming...aka weak conditions. Read some skiier reviews. Too much freezing rain, too much grooming to turn the ice crust to frozen granular. There have been good days, but I haven't seen them. Again, I claimed the conditions weren't good enough to warrant a week of vacation and I stand by that. I don't want ice patches, I don't want groomed snow, I want fresh, deep powder. Not worth the risk of going to VT or Maine and ending up with a week of freezing rain.
There's your facts. Don't know how to make it any more clear for you.
Normal? Fact = 56 days dropped below freezing
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 19:23 ET by PopularTechNothing is as dishonest as stating something as "normal" when you cannot prove what that is.
The point of looking at the low is to prove that so far over 56 days have dropped below freezing = fact. Ignoring reality does not change it.
Maybe in the future we can get your anecdotal commentary of a recent trip to a local ski resort to make climate based decisions. The rest of us will look at the data.
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So Philadelphia is getting as much snow as 1950?
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 19:16 ET by PopularTechLeon, your lack of research cracks me up. Do you ever look at history?
Historic Philadelphia Snow Fall
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Here's some facts for LEON!
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 08:58 ET by PawpawNCheck out the highs and lows and the dates LEON. You should know more about where you live before bringing discussion! http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/phi/climate/phlclimate.html
Leon has 8 Hands?
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:54 ET by PopularTechLeon you have 8 hands? (40 days below freezing)
Philadelphia Winter 2008 Low Temperature History
Can I get paid everytime Leon says an idiotic comment.
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No Pop Tech...but
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:13 ET by JayTeeEverytime you reply to Leon, you can get 3 Credits towards your Masters Degree..........In Urban Legend Management....
Yeah except that PopTech
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:01 ET by LeonYeah except that PopTech can't add.
Obviously you look at the average temp for each day b/c it makes no sense to look at the extremes.
How many days were below freezing?
13. 13. 13.
So I don't have 3 extra fingers but I was close.
Leon those day's low termperartures do not exist?
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:41 ET by PopularTechSo the 40 times that it was recorded that it dropped below freezing never happened? It must be nice to ignore reality in your world.
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"Take It Away, Leon, Take It Away!"
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:23 ET by Del Dolemonte(Bob Wills, 1936)
Sorry, Leon, but Pennyslvania, while technically in the northeastern part of the US, is really more of an "Atlantic state".
Here in central New Hampshire, which IS legitimately a part of the Northeast, I have measured almost 12 FEET of snowfall since December 1st of 2007. That's an alltime record. Our official NWS office in the State Capitol of Concord has also set an alltime record for snow. And they take their measurements 700 feet lower than I do. My daily high temperatures have been above freezing only 3 days out of 25 this month.
Many of our local towns have run out of money to keep their streets clear. Even the rich Boston suburb of Newton has had to get extra money to plow all the white stuff.
And we have another 12 inches of global warming set to arrive tomorrow.
It's also interesting to note that last month on the Hawaiian island of Maui, the snow line on Mt. Haleakala drooped all the way down to the 7,000 foot level. That's rare.
Del
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:18 ET by Noel SheppardDel,
I had a feeling he was full of crap, for a friend of mine that lives in South Woodstock, Vermont, has been complaining to me about hold cold it's been for months. As I stated above, this is how the climate alarmists work. They make any claim they want irrespective of facts.
But, why should that surprise us, because this is the MO of virtually every Democrat. We see them do this regularly when it comes to economic, fiscal, and security issues. Facts are totally irrelevant to these people. And, Leon just proved how unimportant facts are to them with respect to global warming.
I guess this is why the leaders of this movement refuse to debate any of the climate realists! :-) ns
Nothing to see here
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:35 ET by landsharkThe lefties/enviros are in CYA mode - which is why they're quietly dropping the phrase "global warming" in favor of "climate change", covering every possible climate event without fear of being contradicted by...um.... reality.
Which makes it even more strange that they're sticking with the assertion that there is only one public policy solution; reducing carbon dioxide emissions.
Scary thing about Climate
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:26 ET by general companyScary thing about Climate Change is you never know what tommorrow will be like, it may even Rain. (shudder)
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
Global cooling cause by the global warming...duh!
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:37 ET by wizardjrCome on you guys. We explained that to you several years ago. It's the global cooling caused by the global warming. Didn't you see the movie "The Day After Tomorrow"? We'll have an instant Ice Age because of global warming. </sarc>>
Now, if only intellectually
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:39 ET by Mr. KafirNow, if only intellectually honest Californians can convince the Schmuck in Sacramento to read this article, we won't be required to use florescent bulbs, drive super fuel efficient cars, shut off our air conditioning, and use carpool lanes. Isn't socialism great?!?!?!?
I worry myself to sleep every night because I live in the People's Republic of California, led by an ignorant hollywood star married to a Kennedy. I'm so disgusted....
People who actually understand global warming
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:44 ET by JustaPatriotAs people that actually understand global warming, Noel, it’s not about how hot it gets, it’s the severity and extremes of the weather that is the trade mark of global warming. I can see how individuals who pick and choose their information and (or) just read synopsis can be very misinformed.
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
Thanks, JustaPatriot
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:49 ET by Mica the Magnificent. . .and that damn ice age . . .damn those SUV's!
If only the wooly mammoths understood carbon credits!
Global Warming Trademark??
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 15:11 ET by m36b1Trade Mark of Global Warming?? What a load. What trade mark is that? The trademark signs of Wooly Mammoth flatulence that melted the glaciers covering North America? And come on.... "Picking and choosing information"?? That's really rich coming from global warming chicken little experts screaching about Hurricane Katrina or even just a couple days in July over 100 as irrefutable proof of global warming.
Pu-Leeezzzze.
The trade mark of global
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:38 ET by JustaPatriotThe trade mark of global warming is not the earth heating up that we can notice, but the miniscule warming that sets in motion the processes that create the extreme weather the earth is experiencing
The trademark signs of Wooly Mammoth flatulence that melted the glaciers covering North America
you must of got that one from those here that want more research...
That's really rich coming from global warming chicken little experts screaching about Hurricane Katrina or even just a couple days in July over 100 as irrefutable proof of global warming
again m36b1, you really need to broaden you reading materials on climate change.
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
What extreme weather?
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:13 ET by PopularTechWhat extreme weather? There is no extreme weather. I have beyond broadened my reading material on climate change.
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Extreme weather is nothing new
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:24 ET by r22weissExtreme weather has happened on Earth for a very long time, not just from what we call "Global Warming" or "Climate Change".
Did global warming cause the blizards and winter storms during the winters of 1976, 1977, 1978, and 1979? No. Did Global Warming cause the Super Tornado Outbreak in April of 1974 where portions of the US had Tornadic thunderstorms during the afternoon and snow at night. No. Did Global Warming cause the mild winters in the Northeast US from 1972-1975? No.
Back in the 1970's the next Ice Age was the rave. Yet, there were plenty of extreme weather situations during that time frame and well before and after that.
Don't forget the "dust
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 20:09 ET by JerryDon't forget the "dust bowl" days of the 30's where our heartland dried up and blew away. That must have been Global Warming's great grandad.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
" but the miniscule
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 23:12 ET by danbo" but the miniscule warming that sets in motion the processes that create the extreme weather the earth is experiencing "
You mean like the Little Ice Age. Where the bishop had to perform an exorcism on the advancing glaciers. Or the Dust Bowl. Or the climate disaster 535/6-40. And the year 1816.
Yep climate disasters never occured before. Except problems are usually caused by cold. Warm is usually fairly good times.
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Hey dan,
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 23:15 ET by BlondeLong time, no see.
Good to see you're still fighting the good fight.
How's the cold up your way? It's kinda warm, here....LOL.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hey again. Missed your
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 08:56 ET by danboHey again. Missed your message last night.
Winter here? We had some brief cold periods down into the lower 20's and the normal warming spells. (It's normal for us to have periods of shorts and t-shirt weather in winter.)
We seem to be south of the cold track this year. Last winter seemed colder. Though it got colder this year, we didn't have many warm periods last year. We just had a lot of "cooler" weather. Far fewer shorts days.
Right now it looks like early spring. (Though it's supposed to drop into the lower 30's tonight.) The oriental magnolias are blooming as are the camilias, and carolina jasmine. (The camilias look like hell this year because of the frosts.)The narcissis are popping up but have a ways till they bloom. I'm seeing the 1st blooms on the azelias. The louisiana Irises are growing like crazy. Nothing from the tropicals yet. It should be really nice in 3-5 weeks when the azelias and then the irises kick in.
I tossed in the garden talk. To give heart to those suffering up north. LOL Spring is coming.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Again with the trademarks...
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 19:32 ET by m36b1Perhaps you should broaden your scientific reading material a bit JustaPatriot. You should take your, um, really original catch phrase "Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it....." and apply that to the Ice Age, Warming Periods melting glaciers, world-wide drought periods, solar flare periods, all of which man had and has no effect upon, to heart before trying to come across as the enlighted Gore-bot that your are.
Parrot, you are probably
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 15:13 ET by Dan The Man 2Parrot, you are probably here for a driveby, but the idea is articles like these and the fluctuations in the "norm" is used to sell Climate Change. The people here and elsewhere say we need to wait and see and do more research. There is not a sample big enough or accurate enough to determine that humans have a big effect on Climate.
The Al Gores of teh world are telling us the sky is falling because they have proof and show us the acorn. We need more time and sampling and real science, not alarm.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Still can’t get out of the
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:26 ET by JustaPatriotStill can’t get out of the Carl Rove school of attack politics, Dan the Man 2, first don’t like the message attack the messenger “Parrot, you are probably here for a driveby”then make a statement that has no correlation to the content of the message “but the idea is articles like these and the fluctuations in the "norm" is used to sell Climate Change”I don’t think Noels article is professing a pro climate change message, “and the fluctuations in the “norm” is used to sell Climate Change” norms never sell anything it is the extremes that the scientists are worried about and then make statements that obfuscates the facts.“The people here and elsewhere say we need to wait and see and do more research. There is not a sample big enough or accurate enough to determine that humans have a big effect on Climate".
True to form Dan the Man2
Credit where credit is do, that’s G.W’s mantra “we need more research” The Al Gores of the tech world are telling us facts that have been gleemed by reaserch that started in the 1960’s. The research points to changes in the climate by human interactions. Those changes are increasing as human interations increase on the planet. That doesn’t mean the earth processes by itself won’t change the environment against human life, but why not be more enviromental friendly? It can be good for business and is the right thing to do ( the moral high ground…). As for burdons placed on business and individuals, is anyone here old enough to remember, the inventions of phosphate fertilizers in the 40’s, plastics in the 50’s, pcb’s, air and water contaminations from the 60’s. All these inventions and processes were thought to be a panacea for humanity at the time, only after years of unfettered use did we find that these all had dangerous side effects for humans. Back then the mantra was the same as now, more research is needed, how do we know these are bad for humans, we need more research before we can say these are harmful. Only when people were dying was it researched enough for action. Is that what “ the people here and elsewhere say we need to wait and see and do more research….” you and these people want to do wait until people are dying???
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
Wait a minute JP, are you
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:44 ET by Clear thinkerWait a minute JP, are you falling for the global climate change garbage?
Justa, in the 60's and 70's
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:52 ET by bassndudeJusta, in the 60's and 70's it was global cooling. I remember the headlines, prep for a new ice age! your history is fuzzy.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Correct, bassndude
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:06 ET by Mica the MagnificentAccording the MSM of the '60's and '70's - the earth should resemble the moon by now.
I remember a cover of Newsweek (or Time) in the early 70's that had Uncle Sam holding an empty 'horn of plenty' with the caption "We're running out of everything."
By now, global cooling should have reduced our food supply to canned goods packaged in the '50's.
It is confirmed by a consensus of scientists that we are in a period of global cooling . . . what? . . . what? . . . Oh . . . Global warming . . . what? . . . oh, global climate change . . . what? . . . - - - A confused scientific consensus spokesman through the years
I remember those stories
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 20:35 ET by JustaPatriotI remember those stories also, bassdude, but isn’t that part of the scientific investigation process. One starts with hypothesis and through investigation ideas get ruled in or out. Now over 45 years later, we know much more about climate processes.
I don’t know if we (humans) are changing our climate or not, I’ve read enough for me to see a relationship, I see how locally our society is quite wasteful with our resources, and plain careless with all the toxic wastes we dispose of. .We knew even less in the 60’s, does anyone remember biking through the mosquito smoke as a kid, when they would drive through town spraying? Had we only known…or who would have guessed we humans could actually make water burn (the Cuyahga River fire) I’ve heard the “more research is needed” with pcb’s, plastics, fertilizers, and ddt until people and animals started dying before regulations stepped in. At one time it was thought that smog pollution was just another earth process that we would have to live with. To think we humans could irresponsibly change our climate, yes I can see it, to ireversably change our climate we wouldn’t know until it was to late. To err on the side of caution seems the appropriate path, but obviously a lot here disagree. I don’t see why moving our society to be more respectful of the environment has a down side. Yes there are up front costs, but the wealth of new jobs and businesses will power our economy through the end of this century
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
" One starts with
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:03 ET by danbo" One starts with hypothesis and through investigation ideas get ruled in or out."
Sorry. That's not how science works. (Or at least not how it should work.) You start with the data. Then you form a hypothesis that might explain the data. Then you test the hypothesis.
Which is different from forming a hypothesis and going out and looking for the data that supports the hypothesis.
We can make two types of errors. We can reject a true hypothesis and we can also accept a false hypothesis.
As we can accept a false hypothesis. Any data which does not support the hypothesis and contradicts it; is important and shows it's problems. (There's lots of data that's a problem for AGW.)
As has been said. Many beautiful theories have been destroyed by ugly facts.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
I stand corrected. Thanks
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:15 ET by JustaPatriotI stand corrected. Thanks danbo
One question, without knowing the hypothesis how would you know what data to collect or even what data is relevent?
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
Scientific method
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:30 ET by motherbeltScientific method progresses from observation, to hypothesis (which you formulate from your observation) to experimentation to test the hypothesis, to conclusion (did you prove or disprove your hypothesis, or was it inconclusive?).
Computer models extrapolating the future from past events are not considered valid proof of a hypothesis. Neither is "consensus."
Data and observations are
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 23:19 ET by danboData and observations are all around us. If you need a hypothisis to look for it. You souldn't be in science.
All the data is important and relevant. Unless you just wanted to prove yourself right, rather than find the truth.
Beautiful theories shot to hell by ugly facts. Like all the evidence of warmer periods.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Thank you , danbo
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 23:22 ET by BlondeFor setting our friend "Justa" on the right path...if you check my profile, you'll see what I mean. Sheesh! Justa Warmer.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hey girl. My
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 23:45 ET by danboHey girl. My comment.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Bawahah, Dan
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 23:48 ET by BlondeIssy doombo (it's all good...in dive terms...LOL).
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I have no delusions of
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 00:10 ET by danboI have no delusions of setting someone straight. No one is that good. Narcisstics believe they're the smartest and gifted. No one else knows anything. I just point out reality.
How/where was the diving this time? I haven't been in the water since Bonaire last september. My blonde and I are talking about a dive trip to the keys. Me driving down bringing the gear. Picking her up at the Lauberdale AP. (She can't retire till oct.) Then down to KW and coming back up the keys diving. Would love to dive Looe Key, The Bib, and Molasses reef.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
I call em like I see em and
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:59 ET by Dan The Man 2I call em like I see em and you tend to parrot and your name is more suited then to Just a Parrot. So I called you a name and you immediately say foul and cry. The rest of my post is addressed to you not the thread because the idea of what I said is valid. You said this “As people that actually understand global warming, Noel, it’s not about how hot it gets, it’s the severity and extremes of the weather that is the trade mark of global warming” and understand little. You seem to think we don’t understand what is happening and we do.
People like you who don’t understand or want to misrepresent the changes in climate are the danger. Do you know how big the sample of temperatures is in relation to the changes the earth has experienced? Is it within a tolerance and is the temperature increase within the margin of error in those temps? Are they accurate? Where are the data the IPCC used and the models? The ones used by NASA and Hanson have already shown gaps which mar its credibility.
Al Gore is a politician and failed science in school; so by the same token you say “The Al Gores of the tech world are telling us facts that have been gleemed by reaserch that started in the 1960’s” that the people you are relying on have failed in science? Or worse they are trying to jimmy the facts like Al tried to use the courts to change the rules?
Can we wait 10 years or 20 or 30? Will the world be so changed we cannot cure it? Remember the Exxon Valdez oil spill and the ecological disaster that the Alaskan coast would not recover; well it did and so the earth has survived for untold eons and so it shall survive many more.
BTW a long time ago a science book I read said the sun is getting hooter and will continue to do so and will cause the earth to be uninhabitable. Perhaps the sun is getting hotter?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Point-
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:47 ET by fonzie2178The Al Gores of the tech world are telling us facts that have been gleemed by reaserch that started in the 1960’s.
Since Algore's climate research begins in the 1960's and ignores the billions of years of the history of the world, one cannot draw valid conclusions from such a small cross-section of time. The fact is the earth's mean temperature has been rising and falling since it's birth, all without the help of us pesky humans.
This is why even switching
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:35 ET by motherbeltThis is why even switching the terminology to "climate change" doesn't work. Unless one believes that the climat on earth had been the same for millions of years, until recently, when it started to "change."
mother... Your comments
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 22:35 ET by Clear thinkermother...
Your comments are exactly why I don't pay much attention to "the sky is falling crowd".
Why is it that these people act as if we have only had climate change for the past 100-200 years?
I wish somebody would please recycle the memo concerning the age of our planet. For you libs, the earth is approximately 4.5 Billion (that's billion with a capital "B") years old.
Now can you guess how long we have had a climate?
Finally, can you guess how many extreme changes to our climate the earth has experienced in the past 4.5 Billion years?
You libs have been completely brainwashed, so I will give you a month to answer my questions. This should be more than enough time for you to learn the FACTS!
As I've said before, I don't
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 22:42 ET by balboaAs I've said before, I don't know what's going on with the climate or what's responsible, but I think by "climate change" they don't mean the kind that's occurred over the past 100-200 years, but the kind that could be very bad for us.
I hope they're not right.
bal... Bad for us? Who is
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 22:46 ET by Clear thinkerbal... Bad for us?
Who is us?
Proof?
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:17 ET by PopularTechPlease prove man-made CO2 is causing climate change via the scientific method. If you cannot then come back when you can.
Otherwise you better prepare for the alien invasion before it is too late.
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
It's not about the severity of "extremes"
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 15:25 ET by landsharkCheck the website for An Inconvenient Truth. They make it very clear that the concern is about one extreme (the warm one) and the problems related to that one extreme.
It's all about the BIG BAD Sun
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:07 ET by JayTeeWith just a few degrees Tilt of the Earth, we have Winter. In fact, this confusing rotation (to Al Gore) of the earth casues 4 distinct Seasons, except where the Equator is concerned.
As an NB'er said over the weekend (wizardjr)
GW Alarmist - -anyone who deliberately ignores solar cycles and orbital mechanics in favor of cow farts and mammals exhaling. (wizardjr)
If it wasn't so sad
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:19 ET by okiehawk44Look up the names of the folks selling these carbon credits -- all of them are associates of Albert Gore. A.G. et al will pocket their booty without worrying about you little folks.
Justa...name one, just one
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:42 ET by bassndudeJusta...name one, just one extreme that has never happned before. Name just one storm, one Cat 5 or F 5 that has never happned before. You cant do it. You dont have complete records back to the beginning. Nothing more that 100 years or so. There is the little ice age and the midieval warming. You dont have temp or storm records from either one. Only conjecture arrived at from some archaeological sites.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
But what if 80% of the pro
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:15 ET by JustaPatriotBut what if 80% of the pro climate change scientists are right, yes as you point out we only have limited data of earth climatic changes. We do know a few certain facts, that human uses of this planets materials create gasses that do effect the climate. That dramatically changing the environment dramatically changes the climate, that there are tipping points on this planet that once get tipped there is no going back. Why not work towards fewer gasses, why not work towards environmentally safer processes. We are supposed to be the stewards of this world , not the ravages of this world.
Hey what did you think of those tornadoes that wrecked havoc through the midwest in JANUARY of this year?
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
La piece de resistance....
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:54 ET by fonzie2178Need I say more? Granted not tornado news but here's an interesting little bit about hurricanes:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080222_hurricane.html
What about other facts such
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:58 ET by taterWhat about other facts such as the earth's orbit & tilt changes and the solar output from the sun changes. These would do much more to the climate than gases.
Also January tornadoes are nothing to get alarmed about...while they are considered more unusual tornadoes can happen pretty much anywhere in the Midwest and South during any time of the year.
Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns
One other thing,
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:02 ET by fonzie2178It's a well known fact here in the Midwest that tornadoes can happen any time of year, but the peak season is spring and early summer. To us folks here in flyover country it was a surprise but not unheard of.
Justa Patriot...watcha think about the Great Lakes..
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:19 ET by JayTeeSom BIG ass Glaciers came thru the Chicago Area and dugs some Big holes, we now call 'em the Great Lakes.
Now there was a Tipping point, that we came back from...in spite of what you say.
As for CO2 being a Tipping point....you're just wrong, you've been sold a bill of goods.
The "But what if..."
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 19:35 ET by red_dragon311The "But what if..." that started the post is as far as I got
"But what if ..." is all they are going on. So if that is good enough for AGW I have some more
But what if Universal Healthcare bankrupts the country
But what if pulling out of Iraq causes all hell to break loose
"But what if" is not a good way to start ...well anything
"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin
That's right..."what if?"
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:42 ET by motherbeltThat's right..."what if?" We have to do everything possible, even if it cripples our economy and lowers our standard of living, just in case it's true.
Now thats an extreme
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 22:20 ET by JustaPatriotNow thats an extreme motherbelt,
"even if it cripples our economy and lowers our standard of living, just in case it's true. "
Thats what was said about the air pollution and the water pollution, in the 60's, and lets not forget how the auto industry used the same auguments trying to prevent minimum standards for mpg.
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
Idiotic Argument
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 05:07 ET by PopularTechThis has nothing to do with Global Warming. The contribution of automotive pollution to air pollution could be proven, water pollution has nothing to do with cars.
You provide absolutely not evidence for your commentary and instead make half-ass MSM arguments.
Science must be proven via the scientific method, that is how science works.
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
PT -- unfortunately you're
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 07:42 ET by Jack BauerPT -- unfortunately you're arguing with people who think Carbon Dioxide is a "pollutant."
→ Jack
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:40 ET by Cool ArrowI was surfing the tree internet, and it seems the Elms, Oaks, and Sequoias are wanting to put Oxygen on the Pollutants list. The Pines are holding out.
♣ a seal
cool -- I take it that would
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:43 ET by Jack Bauercool -- I take it that would be the intreenet?
→ Right Jack
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:46 ET by Cool ArrowAnd those trees are definitely sticklers for speling.
♣ a seal
There is unrest in the
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 15:03 ET by Roger the ShrubberThere is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.
Rog, LOL.
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 15:09 ET by R D HelmThe trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.
There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream "Oppression!"
And the oaks just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.
Funny you brought that up, as I have that very CD playing right now.
Proud member of the "Rough Republican Attack Machine."
»→ Trouble in the Forest
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 15:15 ET by Cool ArrowThose lyrics would fit nicely into "Industrial Disease".
Oh, well, conform or be cast out.
♣ a seal
Cool,
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 15:29 ET by R D HelmI always liked The Trees, as I consider it one of their better-crafted arrangements, particularly the last two lines:
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.
Very relevant politically, I have always thought.
I'll be seeing them in July for the umpteenth time. Hope they play it.
Proud member of the "Rough Republican Attack Machine."
I already told the wife I
Wed, 02/27/2008 - 10:40 ET by Roger the ShrubberI already told the wife I plan on seeing them this summer, too. It's been 25 years since I've seen them live; I have forgiven them (finally!) for the crap they put out in the late 80's-90's... :P
I don't think there was
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 22:31 ET by JustaPatriotI don't think there was anyone around during that time to tip any points.
"that there are tipping points on this planet that once get tipped there is no going back."
I also didn't say CO2 was a tipping point.
Those who fail to learn from History, are destined to repeat it.......
Justa, for the most part of
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:30 ET by bassndudeJusta, for the most part of your post, IF is the primary word. The tornados are nothing new, as a matter of fact, I think they were all F1 F2 or F3's. As I remember, only one was F3. Nothing new or extreme there. Now and F5 is extreme. Went through one on May 3rd, here in the Oklahoma City, Moore area. Did alot of damage in my neighbor hood. A LOT! But still, F5's are nothing new. Most of them happen in unpopulated areas, so you dont hear much about them. They dont happen much in January, but they do happen. When conditions are right, and they are right nearly every month of the year at one time or another.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
"Hey what did you think of
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:44 ET by ckc1227"Hey what did you think of those tornadoes that wrecked havoc through the midwest in JANUARY of this year?"
Personally, I think they sucked....just like every other January tornado this planet has ever experienced over the past billion years or so.
Tornadoes have nothing to do with Global Warming
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 05:04 ET by PopularTechTornadoes - Global warming 'not to blame' (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Tornadoes - Increasing tornadoes or better information gathering? (Anthony Watts, AMS Certified Meteorologist)
Tornadoes - Tornadoes not Linked to Global Warming (Eugene Tackle, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science)
Tornadoes - Tornado numbers far below normal in '05 (USAToday)
Tornadoes - Senator Kerry Misinformed on Tennessee Storms (Science and Public Policy Institute)
Tornadoes - Spinning the Tornado Story (Cato Institute)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
Tipping Point? There is nothing to worry about
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:09 ET by PopularTechWhat are you talking about? Do you watch anything but Al Gore's propaganda movie or the propaganda unscientific shows on PBS? Try these:
Censored Global Warming Videos
"Tipping Point?" - Of what? What is the tipping point? Your comment does not make any sense, so far all your comments have been grandious Obama like emotional babble.
Increased amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere does not correlate to catastrophy. Once you understand the actual physics of what is possible there is nothing to worry about. CO2 by the laws of Physics are limited to a logarithmic effect on temperatures. That means that increasing their amounts after a point will do nothing to increase temperatures.
Cold Facts on Global Warming (Image Analysis and Measurement Lab)
"What is the contribution of anthropogenic carbon dioxide to global warming? This question has been the subject of many heated arguments, and a great deal of hysteria. ...we will consider a simple calculation, based on well-accepted facts, that shows that the expected global temperature increase caused by doubling atmospheric carbon dioxide levels is bounded by an upper limit of 1.4-2.7 degrees centigrade. This result contrasts with the results of the IPCC's climate models, whose projections are shown to be unrealistically high. [...] At the current rate of increase, CO2 will not double its current level until 2255."
There is no catastrophy, there is no tipping point, there is nothing to worry about and reducing CO2 levels is a futile waste of time.
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
What extremes?
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:10 ET by PopularTechWhat extremes? All these weather problems happened in the past, blizzards, hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts ect... there is nothing extreme or severe about the current weather. It is called Global Warming because it refers to the globe getting WARMER. Alarmists such as yourself have tried to change the wording to "climate change" so they can claim any change in the climate which always happens is caused by man. I am beyond informed.
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
The entire theory of AGW is
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:19 ET by danboThe entire theory of AGW is based on CO2 increases due to our use of coal and oil, being a greenhouse gas. A greenhouse is warm.
Were those who are claiming CO2 was a greehouse gas lying?
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
CO2 may be a "greenhouse
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:51 ET by motherbeltCO2 may be a "greenhouse gas" but it is only recently that it was classified (by law) as a "pollutant." IMO, that's ridiculous. A pollutant is something that fouls the air. CO2 is a chemical that is exhaled by humans and "inhaled" by plants and trees.
Some people say that a loud industrial site produces "noise pollution." They also call brightly lit cities that make it hard to see the stars "light pollution."
I'm tired of things being called pollutants just to make them seem sinister.
"I can see how individuals
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:47 ET by ckc1227"I can see how individuals who pick and choose their information and (or) just read synopsis can be very misinformed."
You mean like the latest IPCC report, lol?
Just a.P. Get back to me when it's 115 F in Omaha THIS year!!
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 19:11 ET by upcountrywaterIt was 114 F there on ol '34...AKA DUSTBOWL
You'd think to OFFSET this cold winter. it' gotta ;shoulda;<SQUEEZE> needs to be WARMER?
For the law of averages, it's got to get warmer, TO BE CALLED WARMING!!
Tell you what, I'll even throw in the urban heat island effect, for free!
Iranian uranium; Iranian ICBM's; Iranian satellites..CHANGE is comming BELIEVE in that!
Yes.
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:54 ET by mattmYes.
Let the games begin
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 15:30 ET by dboMakes one wonder how climate alarmists will spin the winter of 2008 so as to keep alive their precious global warming myth.
The spinning has already started. Did anyone notice that James Hansen's "adjusted" temperatures for 2007 were 0.3 degrees warmer than the RSS satellite data?
DbO if the MSM ignores it
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:27 ET by JayTeeHow does the MSM "reply' to something they will not acknowledge or report ?
How does one Ignore the Solar influence ? and still call himself a Scientist.
You guys are forgetting
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:54 ET by motherbeltYou guys are forgetting that global warming is responsible for that too. I'm not sure how it works, but don't forget, the synopsis for the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" says Global warming triggers a new ice age.
I kid you not.
AG/Oscars
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 16:45 ET by dabalDid anyone see AlGore at the Oscars last night?
Was he even invited? :-)
The climate change beast is slowly dying. It's going to take quite a while, but it's happening.
and rainfall is above average here too
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:25 ET by UndercoverConservativetotal annual rainfall to reservoirs and snowfall around the San FranciscoBay area climbed to above average this weekend too.
It's Catastrophic Climate Stagnation! Aaagh! Run for the foothills!
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
I've noticed on National
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:11 ET by Chris NormanI've noticed on National Geographic Channel shows, they're managing to slip "Global Warming" and "Climate Change", in passing, into many of their shows. The way it's done, suggests a conscious effort to do so.
→ Chris
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:18 ET by Cool ArrowYes, it goes like this:
"These poor women are forced to go barebreasted to combat the unseasonably warm weather brought on by Global Warming.
♣ a seal
"The Northeast,
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 19:05 ET by ckc1227"The Northeast, traditionally known for harsh winters, has been incredibly mild all year."
And yet, somehow, against all odds, the Northeast was not destroyed because of this warmer than usual winter. There was no starving, no food shortages, and no mass extinctions. Weird.
"I saw you push this harsh winter myth the other day Noel. Perhaps
there is more snowfall in certain areas, but I haven't seen any harsh
winter. I'd be willing to bet the folks in NYC and Boston would agree."
I'd also be willing to bet those folks hope global warming sticks
around for a few more winters to come. Sure, it will be tough, but
somehow, in the face of all this adversity, I believe the poor folks in
the Northeast will manage to survive the terrible, almost unbearable
conditions that result from a winter with less snow and ice, and fewer
freezing temps.
This is a Global Warming Crisis!
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 21:09 ET by Parker1227Get with the program you guys!
And someone tell Mother Nature that the argument is over and to quit selling-out to big oil, or Rep. Robert Kennedy, Jr., will be forced to label her as "treasonous".
DO I NEED TO START SCREAMING HERE, FOLKS!
Clearing up a couple things
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 01:06 ET by Ralph Hansen Ph. D.motherbelt - Carbon dioxide was NOT declared a pollutant, although many in the MSM have referred to it as such. What the US Supreme Court actually said was that the EPA had not provided sufficient reason not to regulate CO2 as a pollutant. Essentially, the court said everything in the air is a pollutant unless the EPA can prove it's not, which generated Justice Scalia's comment that everything from "frisbees to flatulence" could be considered a pollutant.
Regarding JustaPatriot's insinuation that January tornadoes are a weather extreme symptomatic of global warming, I would argue the opposite is true. Since January 2008 was colder than the 20th Century average, one could argue that the recent tornadoes disprove the AGW/extreme weather connection. Think about it.
Severe weather is the result of colliding air masses - warm-and-moist meets cold-and-dry. And if we believe what global warmers teach us that the warming effects are felt first in the northern latitudes (Arctic), then the cold-and-dry should be warmer, meaning a gentler collision between air masses and LESS extreme weather.
No need to thank me for the meteorology lesson.
Climate Worriers and Warming Fearists
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:33 ET by gideonmjamesThe fundamental problem with Gore-worshippers is that they first believe a lie and then spend every last ounce of strength trying to support and prove it.
They've bought Al Gore's inconvenient lies hook, line, and sinker ... hook, line, sinker, pole, and the rotting pier Gore does his fishing from.
Fun questions to ask global
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 05:02 ET by CooltomFun questions to ask global warming fanatics:
1) The world was in a global depression with lowered industrial output in the 1930s and it got hotter. Tons of pollution were broadcast into the air during the 1940s via WWII and it got colder. Why?
2) The polar sea ice melts in the summer and freezes in the winter yet there seems to be no appreciable difference in sea level throughout the year. Why not?
3) What causes Ice Ages? What causes an interglacial period?
Globalwarmingtologists - The Incessant Search for Manbearpig
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:08 ET by gideonmjames"The polar sea ice melts in the summer and freezes in the winter yet there seems to be no appreciable difference in sea level throughout the year. Why not?"
Now THERE'S a damn good question.
Here's another one ...
The earth is surrounded by billions of cubic miles of space where the temperature is −460 degrees Fahrenheit ... isn't global FREEZING more of a concern for climate worriers than global WARMING?
Someone go get LEON before he's snowed in!
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:11 ET by PawpawNSeems Philly area in WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY. Since he doesn't keep up with this, someone close by go get him out before he's snowed in down in his mom's basement!
Climate Worriers and Warming Fearists
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 09:41 ET by gideonmjamesThe fundamental problem with Gore-worshippers is that they first believe a lie and then spend every last ounce of strength trying to support and prove it.
They've bought Al Gore's inconvenient lies hook, line, and sinker ... hook, line, sinker, pole, and the rotting pier Gore does his fishing from.
exactly!
Tue, 02/26/2008 - 13:19 ET by mbuelThey'll blame man for ANY change in the climate, and since the climate is _constantly_ changing, they have a permananent inroad to increased taxes and government regulation of industry!