Ratigan made that question the topic of discussion for the ‘Trend or Talker’ segment near the end of 9:00AM ET hour of the show with correspondent Contessa Brewer and Financial Times U.S. managing editor Chrystia Freeland. Ratigan explained: “...the congressman, by the name of Emmanuel Cleaver, wants to declare the day before Thanksgiving complaint-free Wednesday.” He wondered: “Worthy proposition?”
Brewer replied: “Yeah, absolutely. Here you get a two-fer. No complaints on Wednesday and Thursday gives you something to be grateful for.” Freeland enthusiastically agreed with the idea: “I think the no whining day is a fabulous idea....What they say in preschools, you get what you get and don’t get upset.”
At the end of the segment, Ratigan asked Brewer and Freeland if the no whining push was a trend or a ‘talker.’ Brewer replied: “The griping continues, it’s a talker.” Freeland disagreed: “It is a trend and it’s related to your favorite subject, Dylan, the economy. Just as the depression generation was a lot tougher than kids of affluence like us who are whiners, maybe the recession will make us tougher.”
In response, Brewer remarked: “Who are you calling a whiner?” Freeland explained: “Generation X, we are, we grew up with everything.” Ratigan admitted: “She’s calling me a whiner....guilty. I’m just whining about the massive generational theft, mind you, but otherwise, you know, I’m going to shut up and deal.” Freeland absolved Ratigan of his daily whining: “That’s not whining, that’s reasoned politics.”
While MSNBC was more than willing to label Americans as “whiners” in the midst of various challenges confronting the Obama administration, when John McCain’s economic advisor Phil Gramm referred to America as a “nation of whiners” during the 2008 presidential campaign, the cable network bashed him for it. Hardball host Chris Matthews opened his July 10, 2008 show by declaring: “McCain’s ‘brain’ calls recession a mental problem, that we’re all just a nation of whiners. But is it smart politics to blame the voter?”
Here is a full transcript of the Friday Morning Meeting segment:
9:53AM
DYLAN RATIGAN: Alright. Time now for a little ‘Trend or Talker.’ Chrystia Freeland joining the conversation, nice to see you, how are you? You’re looking very holiday, actually, today.
CHRYSTIA FREELAND: Yeah, I guess because we’re moving into Thanksgiving.
RATIGAN: Yeah. No, it’s appropriate, it’s very nice.
CONTESSA BREWER: Yeah, well it is the holidays.
RATIGAN: Alright, well, today’s ‘Trend or Talker,’ unemployment, health care, a couple of wars, Americans got plenty to be frustrated about these days. Unemployment, mortgages, da, da, da. But some people say stop the whining. Time for today’s ‘Trend or Talker.’ Is ‘shut up and deal’ the new American mantra? Joining the meeting with some answers, Chrystia Freeland, Contessa Brewer. They are answer-laden, shall we say. First up, a Missouri lawmaker wants Americans to stop complaining, in fact, he’s actually presented a proposal to the House of Representatives. In it, the congressman, by the name of Emmanuel Cleaver, wants to declare the day before Thanksgiving complaint-free Wednesday. Chrystia’s already nodding. So what about the economy, foreclosures, banks, profits, stealing, taxpayers. Well, on Wednesday, Cleaver says ‘ah, put a sock in it!’ I’ll take him up on that. Worthy proposition?
BREWER: Yeah, absolutely. Here you get a two-fer. No complaints on Wednesday and Thursday gives you something to be grateful for. You’re grateful for a day where you can complain about everything.
RATIGAN: Two good days. Alright, next, the ad wars getting ugly as AT&T loses a legal battle with Verizon. AT&T wanted Verizon’s ‘there’s a map for that’ ads yanked off the air.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN [COMMERCIAL ANNOUNCER]: And if you want to know why some people have spotty 3G coverage, there’s a map for that, too.
RATIGAN: Well, at issue, the map showing Verizon has much wider coverage than AT&T. AT&T says they’re blatantly false. Verizon’s response don’t shoot the messenger. The map is true. Truth in advertising? Is this valid?
FREELAND: Well, I think it’s a matter of fact, right?
RATIGAN: Yeah, it is.
FREELAND: So-
RATIGAN: Shut up and deal.
BREWER: Yeah.
FREELAND: Shut up and deal. And I think the no whining day is a fabulous idea. Every mother in the country will agree with it.
RATIGAN: Will sign on.
BREWER: Good luck with that.
FREELAND: What they say in preschools, you get what you get and don’t get upset.
RATIGAN: Shut up and deal.
FREELAND: Good cultural moment.
RATIGAN: I like it, you get what you get, don’t get upset.
BREWER: You can’t say that to preschoolers though.
FREELAND: That’s what they say. No, it’s what they say It’s the mantra for preschool.
BREWER: No, but Dylan’s trying to say ‘shut up and deal,’ I don’t think-
RATIGAN: Would they bring me in if I just said ‘shut up and deal’? That wouldn’t work?
FREELAND: No, that’s not good.
RATIGAN: No, alright. Finally, this week, a former Republican tells his former colleagues to quit complaining about the Guantanamo detainees coming to the U.S. for trial. Bob Barr, 2008 libertarian candidate for president, supports the decision to transfer the terror suspects to federal prisons. He says the GOP needs to stop scare-mongering. Barr, David Keene of the American Conservative Union, and Grover Norqist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, say prominent Republicans should stop whining and fretting over the notion that dangerous terrorists could end up on American soil. So is indeed ‘shut up and deal’ the new mantra, Contessa?
BREWER: The griping continues, it’s a talker.
RATIGAN: Can we get this into the lexicon, ‘shut up and deal’?
FREELAND: Yes we can. It is a trend and it’s related to your favorite subject, Dylan, the economy. Just as the depression generation was a lot tougher than kids of affluence like us who are whiners, maybe the recession will make us tougher.
BREWER: Who are you calling a whiner?
RATIGAN: Yeah. She’s calling me a whiner.
FREELAND: Generation X, we are, we grew up with everything.
RATIGAN: Absolutely. Guilty, guilty. I’m just whining about the massive generational theft, mind you, but otherwise, you know, I’m going to shut up and deal.
FREELAND: That’s not whining, that’s reasoned politics.
RATIGAN: That’s reasoning politics. I'm going to spend some time with Chrystia so I can figure out-
BREWER: What is okay and what’s not.
RATIGAN: Yeah, she’s good with this.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center. You can follow him on Twitter here.






















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Tea Parties having an effect
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 14:56 ET by ricklailI think the tea parties, e-mails and phone call to Congress are havign an effect. They want us to shut the hell up. Sorry but on the 25th I have a doctor's appointment. I am going to lay it on him about my CPAP that I have to use.
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
Pardon the interruption...
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:29 ET by countmein5050Remember when liberals were whining and bellyaching for 8 solid years under Bush...they justified it as EXERCISING THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. Now, it's interesting to note, under the liberal rein, our free speech now constitutes WHINING. This is why we now have two different camps for Americans (and wanna bees)...t-baggers and d-baggers. Liberals thought reducing it from tea (bag) party supporters to t-baggers would cause harm to our movement. Let's see how long being called douche baggers takes liberals to include the term under hate speech. Liberals are in a tail spin and as we all know from experience...when liberals start spinning any one is fair game in the free fall that eventually becomes a death rattle. Their trotting out Martha Stewart to bash Palin, for God's Sake...it's begun.
I think we are a nation of
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:00 ET by Dan The Man 2I think we are a nation of whiners made that way by unresponsive representatives in Washington. I say we be a nation of doers, lest throw the bums out and I graciousl;y accept teh job of dictator for life. My first job in office is to put all journalists on notice taht any leaks of governmnet secrets will be met with vicious consequences, a short trial and even shorter walk to the death chamber. More like policies to follow.
No whining for two
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:02 ET by bigtimerNo whining for two days...
Sounds good to me, that would mean msnbc and the rest of their network ilk can go to black for two days....what a wonderful thought.
Of course that will happen about the 12th of Never.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
The Libs want to get cloture
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:17 ET by Ten7sThe Libs want to get cloture in the Senate on that abomination, the Health Care Bill.
Ten7... ...and it's
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:32 ET by bigtimerTen7...
...and it's looking like Reid has just about fed the hold-outs enough candy to get that done Sat. night.
Cleaver wants whining to stop the day before Thanksgiving...Brewer or one of the other twits there just added on Thanksgiving Day as well, as if people are going to be glued to their network anyway, especially those two days.
What a sacrifice...lol.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
That's a good idea
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 17:00 ET by Quasi-socialistwe of the colition of conservatives--who believe in less whining--ought to "walk a mile" and not whine about anything for one or two days.
I predict that the left's brains will have imploded in that length of time if they have similarly restrained themselves, and the likely course is that they will give into the urge and whine.
Here's the scenario, we talk about the founders and the Federalist papers and private individuals making a positive impact on their community, and they will whine about our "worship" of the founders or some other sort of nonsense before the clock runs out. Of course, if we follow it up with acknowledgment about whining, then the libs will log onto every board on the right explaining that whining about X is not whining and we'll have the whole back-and-forth, and Media Spatters will to a montage of edited clips "Conservative commentators"who sound like they are whining...
And it will equal a big, fat nothing. But some relief from whining--I'm all for it really. The media wars wouldn't cease. But individual people could tell who appears to be less whiney over the time period.
Rat Again....
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:03 ET by StarAZIt's Obama's party and we'll cry if we want to, cry if we want to. You would cry, too, if you didn't have some suckass NBC job, health insurance, a guaranteed income, investments, a 401K, a nice apt or house, and hope for the future."
Meanwhile, many Americans
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:05 ET by bse5150Meanwhile, many Americans wondered if MSNBC should stop getting ratings.
And so MSNBC did! They made yet another step towards NO ratings at all by insulting the people.
Of course, the ratings came out and here they were yesterday courtesy of Drudge...
CABLE NEWS RACE
NOV. 18, 2009
FOXNEWS HANNITY/PALIN 4,200,000
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,868,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,512,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,383,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,235,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,980,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,041,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,036,000
MSNBC MADDOW 957,000
CNN KING 835,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 625,000
CNN COOPER 611,000
Wow! Madcow beating Larry
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:11 ET by winston smithWow! Madcow beating Larry King.......now that's truly pathetic.
MSNBC - The Place For Lunatics
Even better....
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:17 ET by BlondeTingles at 625K.
Talk about pathetic, LOL.
I hope he fails, too.
No wonder Olbermann is an
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:12 ET by rbosqueNo wonder Olbermann is an @$$ on TV.
Irony
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:11 ET by countmein5050The irony here of course is that after listening to liberals whine and bellyache for 8 solid years, NOW they want a grateful nation of Americans to rise and submit to NO Whine Day. Liberals, of course, are quick to remind us now that what they did wasn't called whining...it was exercising their Constitutional right to free speech...NOW under the Imperial Leader Obama...it now constitutes whining. Free Speech is no longer the issue, according to two-faced liberals...now it's just not being grateful for having the privilege of living in a socialist America. What irony.
Lay off more lamestream personalities...
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:20 ET by carolina09...like that Katie who called up on Rush a couple days ago, who had recently been laid off from her AP job. Did she complain, and how!
Is ‘shut up and deal’
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:30 ET by red_dragon311Is ‘shut up and deal’ the new American mantra?”
No it has been the mantra for a long time!!!!!!!!! the damn cry babies on the left don't want to deal with hardships because the people who were parents to the baby boomers did not want their kids to suffer as much as they, the parents, did. so that started a snowball effect of kids feeling entitled to do NOTHING !!
Even the Bible argees Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take office."
You got protestors in Washington
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:44 ET by Quasi-socialistDems, "shut up and deal"! Let's not hear anything more about "dangerous", "scary", "angry" and other adjectives. Just shut up and deal!
Most of the media flurry would go away if liberals could just "shut up and deal" with the fact that not everybody agrees with their direction. My 20-year affiliation with the Republican party owes to mainstream liberals inability to shut up and deal.
How antithetical is that to the pandoring that is at the heart of pandercratic principles on which the Pandercrat party is based?!!
Who was that...
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:37 ET by JPR1Rep or Senator, a year or so back, who found himself in deep ca-ca after he speculated America has become a nation of whiners?
The media hammered him with great zeal as I recall.
Their memories are pretty selective on stuff like that.
Call your senator's office
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:40 ET by BuffNBoneI took the time to share my objections with both senators (Dx2) a few minutes ago. Had trouble getting through to each, which I take as a good sign.
After I voiced my concerns with the first one, I asked if there was anything else he needed from me. Just wanted my zip. The noticeable sigh I heard spoke more than words ever could communicate.
The second office was a bit more pleasant and took my comments and asked for my full address.
In both cases I was polite as can be because taking it out on the poor schleps on the other end of the line hurts our cause more than helps it.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
And so
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:40 ET by Quasi-socialistto show us the error of our ways, Ratigan whines about whiners--he's not shutting up, he's not dealing. He's whining.
True message: you have a problem with Democrat power: shut up and deal.
Remember, they laughed at Bush in 2004 for saying things were "hard work" or that the administration was "working hard". No, it just takes bullet points from John Kerry's home page. All the griping about Bush was proof of how bad he was--his low poll numbers documented his failure. People's low opinion of him was his fault. It can almost be believed that there was no "whining" then, just people whose voice needed to be heard in Washington.
Now, in the worst economy since the Great Depression, it's "whining". Imagine the historical picture we would have if Hoover had tried that in the GD.
No problem, I will stupid
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 17:03 ET by George S PattonNo problem, I will stupid up when obama, reid and pelosi admit publicly that they are habitual liars and need to join a 12 step program. Until then they can go to hell along with the MSM minions who support them.
No problem, I will stupid
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 17:03 ET by George S PattonNo problem, I will stupid up when obama, reid and pelosi admit publicly that they are habitual liars and need to join a 12 step program. Until then they can go to hell along with the MSM minions who support them.
well people from states or
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 17:04 ET by sajc05well people from states or districts that continue to re-elect the same bums in both parties back to congress have no right to complain. our gov't doesn't represent the people anymore but special interest and yet some people get elected over and over, ted kennedy was there for 40 yeas.
and there is also disingenuous whining like the tea party protesters. i like the fundamental theme of the protests, gov't size and spending, but since these people were absolutely silent for 8 years makes them seem partisan rather than just concerned citizens. I mean where were they when cheney told the treasury secretary that we don't have to pay for our massive spending, we'll just add it to the deficit? and then the administration fired the treasury secretary because he told the bush people that the road they were taking with the economy was unsustainable... where were the tea partiers then??
They did
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 16:12 ET by exLibActually, when you live in a Blue Sate and represent only 10% or the voting population you can only register your vote against the bums and are not responsible for the other 90% who are "happy" with them.
As for "the mythical silence" that went on for 8 years, is just that a myth promulgated by the left to mis-direct and distract.
Nazi Pelosi said that $500 billion deficit was unacceptable and that our children's children would be paying that back over the centuries to come.
Now that Dems are in power $50 billion savings in Tort Reform is crumbs to Reid and not worthy of their time and effort to work into the Health Care Bill.
$2 Trillion - $9 Trillion, no biggie cause Bush got the credit card for "his" 2 wars, and now that they are in power "they" deserve to rack up the credit for "more important things".
As I have to remind all the lefties, Bush's Approval Rating was 30%. All he had to do was a few conservative things to be at 40 or 50%. Lefties think we ALL agree on why Bush was a bad President or why we didn't like him.
However, things can look different in hindsight. Before Pelosi and Reid took over in 06, we had under 5% unemployment, 14K dow and inflation under control.
No way
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 17:37 ET by bobwhiteThere is absolutely no way to stop a Liberal from whining. It's the only thing they do well and they are not going to stop.
This "Shanana" reject
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 18:10 ET by the strugglerThis "Shanana" reject couldn't get through a no whining day.
"I wonder if Ratigan should
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 18:58 ET by Slyrr"I wonder if Ratigan should SHUT UP?"
Stop the whining? Sounds good.
Fri, 11/20/2009 - 21:55 ET by CO2MakerStart with Keith "Where's that whining noise in my bathtub coming from?" the Sports Boy.
Then move on to Jesse "I'll tell you who's a black man" Jackson, Al Sharpyton, Chris the Wide Mouth Frog, Ed "I hope my face doesn't freeze like this" Schultz, Randi "I split my lip and can't say f***" Rhodes, Joy Le Car, the Viewgina Monologists.
I don't include Rachel "I'm not Ron Reagan" Madcow, because she has a Ph.D. and real intellectual creds, so she doesn't whine so much as deconstruct.
No public complaints in Commie Cuba either
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:17 ET by Jack BauerThis so reminded me of something... then I remembered there is another country where the government and the media don't much like complaints -- about THEM...
Mind you, like Communist China. it appears even Commie Cuba has a better grasp of economics than the Obama gang of know-nothing kids...
So glad we finally have permission from the Libs to be cheerful!
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:22 ET by ekslibThey usually act like cheerful people (eg, Sarah Palin) aren't smart and don't look into things deeply enough.
Libs are always trying to run OUR lives.
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:34 ET by ekslibThey love to tell us what behavior is A-OK.
Last week, we weren't allowed to be cheerful, because the world had so many problems and so much sadness.
This week, we MUST be happy.
Why don't Libs just attach strings to the smile and frown muscles around our mouths?