If only the United States were more like Europe, Joy Behar laments. Recapping the previous night’s debate on the October 9 edition of "The View," the panel discussed John McCain’s healthcare plan. In the midst of the conversation Joy Behar wondered why the United States can not "solve" health care like quasi-socialist governments in Europe.
"What they haven’t discussed in any of these debates is how other countries have solved this. France has solved it, Denmark has solved it, England has solved it. Why can’t we solve it? [applause] It’s ridiculous."
But have the mentioned countries really "solved" their health care issues? Take for example Britain, which Joy refers to as "England." "The Daily Telegraph" reported in September that Britain’s National Health Service (NHS) is in such crisis that some doctors are "calling for NHS treatment to be withheld from patients who are too old or lead unhealthy lives."
The "Telegraph" continued that "smokers, heavy drinkers, the obese and the elderly should be barred from receiving operations, according to doctors, with most saying the health service cannot afford to provide free care to everyone." In what may also alarm Joy Behar, who considers abortion opponents "against women," the "Telegraph" reports "fertility treatment and ‘social’ abortions are also on the list of procedures that many doctors say should not be funded by the state."
The British seemed to have not solved issues with dental care. In October 2007, CNN, certainly not a conservative news outlet, reported "some English people have resorted to pulling out their teeth because they cannot find– or cannot afford– a dentist, a major study has revealed."
No one on the panel, not even Elisabeth Hasselbeck, bothered to challenge Joy Behar’s assertions.
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Denmark's income tax starts
October 8, 2008 - 13:38 ET by kgDenmark's income tax starts at 50% and goes up from there. Tax on cars starts at 100%.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Forget Man-Made Global Warming
October 8, 2008 - 13:41 ET by Paul AtreidesJoy, and her fellow bovine on The Spew, are causing Woman-Made Global Warming every time they open their ignorant gobs.
Bring Back Rosie
October 8, 2008 - 13:42 ET by GothampcJoy should be begging Barbara Walters to bring back Rosie so that Joy isn't the most stupid person on the program.
With the Democrats love of regulations, national healthcare will bring huge regulation. You can bet that government will determine "proper procedures" for every single surgery. For example, if a woman finds a lump in her breast, government's answer will be "mastectomy is the only answer to completely get rid of the problem cheaply and effectively."
It's scary how the Democrats would mess up healthcare.
They are all stupid, with
October 8, 2008 - 13:54 ET by play21cwThey are all stupid, with the exception of one.
In all seriousness
October 8, 2008 - 14:05 ET by Paul AtreidesI expect Rosie to come back, with considerable fanfare, to The Spew once Elisabeth is gone.
Joy, you are more than
October 8, 2008 - 13:51 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarJoy, you are more than welcome to move over there. I'll kick in the first $100 for your expense. I'm sure there are others that will contribute even B Hussein ... I heard he gave $100 to help some woman ship her luggage over to Norway. What a guy.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
Here's Another $100
October 8, 2008 - 14:00 ET by GothampcI'll kick in $100 if the move is guaranteed to be permanent. She can screech in the UK like Gwynnie Paltrow and Madonna do.
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE...
October 8, 2008 - 13:54 ET by danybhoyYeah, the Brits the French,& the Danes all have the fancy "socialized health care" systems. But I have noticed that many of those with the means to do so, will flee & come to America for their major health care issues. I'm in Minnesota, I cannot tell you how many foriegners who are being treated at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester or at the Univ. of Minnesotain Minneapolis. I'm guessing that the same could be said of places like John's Hopkins, UCLA med center, or the Cleveland Clinic, because our hospitals are the best in the world.
They come here because we have the best & they could'nt sit on a waiting list forever, that's the dirty little secret about socialized medicine. Wating lists to get anything. Well none for me, thank you.
"...it's still We The People, Right?" Megadeth
The Cleveland Clinic has
October 8, 2008 - 16:17 ET by stratmanThe Cleveland Clinic has been building new facilities/hotel for foreign patients, especially mindful of Muslim patient's religious needs and cultural precepts.
The Clinic knows where its bread is buttered.
STRATMAN...
October 9, 2008 - 08:25 ET by danybhoyThat sounds like Rochester, MN. I'm not sure Mayo is building the hotel facilities there, but there are several upscale hotels in town. More then you would think in a city the size of Rochester, & the Muslims are more then wlecome there. King Hussein of Jordan was a regular at Mayo, & was well respected in Rochester. More then a few wealthy Muslims/arabs go in for medical treatment.
BTW, stratman, I hav'nt BSed with you here in a while, I did enjoy my 2 shows this summer involving Fender's. Rush in St.Paul& Maiden in Chicago were excelent gigs. Lifeson used more Gibson LesPauls then I have seen him use in a long time. Maiden was almost all Fender Strats. Seeing them from the barrier was a treat, elite musicians are fun to watch up close, they make it look waay too easy.
"...it's still We The People, Right?" Megadeth
Yep. Concierge service is
October 10, 2008 - 03:15 ET by stratmanYep. Concierge service is where it's at for these big name tertiary care centers. Catering to the wealthy, particularly the uber-wealthy Middle Easterners, makes a big pot of cash for the hospitals. Entire floors will be taken over by the patient and their entourage.
Good to hear you saw some primo shows. I heard nothing but good about the Rush shows from friends that went.
Being up close is very nice. In my younger days I would camp out overnight at Severance Hall in Cleveland to buy close-up Pavillion tickets for Blossom Music Center, a kind of Hollywood Bowl type place. Had a few 1st-10th row seats over the years, and plenty of not so close seats. Not too good if you were right in front of the PA stacks on the wings - freakin' massive wall of speakers stacked floor to ceiling! (ringing ears for a while afterwards)
Last live music I've seen was Poco at a small venue. Sat right in front of bassman Jack Sundrud, but Rusty Young was about 6-8 feet away. Young was amazing. Even Paul Cotton sounded good. Wished Richie Furray was with them (no offense, Jack). While I'm at it, I'd pay cash money to see Jimmy Messina with Poco again!! That boy can play some gee-tar.
And don't forget.......
October 8, 2008 - 19:22 ET by TheBigBAll those good Canadian folks who go to hospitals in Minot or Grand Forks, ND for their healthcare. Better yet, my personal favorite: My dad got his hip replaced in Bismarck, ND. One patient he did rehab with was from Canada, and was told he would have to wait 12-15 months for his hip replacement. Given that his hip was bone on bone, he was more than willing to pay cash in the US to have it done. He went under the knife 6 1/2 weeks from the time of his first phone call.
Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl.
Not only does Socialist
October 8, 2008 - 22:38 ET by stratmanNot only does Socialist medicine rob all incentive out of working hard as a physician, the Canadian system also controls the number of elective procedures that can be done on a daily/weekly basis.
Canadian physicians would work harder, do more surgeries, IF they weren't hobbled by their government.
A friend of mine is Canadian trained but will not work in Canada because of the crappy earnings opportunity. Even with all the regulations and reimbursement cuts, America still is the best place to make a living doing medicine. So far.
Say goodbye to our bluechip healthcare sooner if Obama is elected.
I have a solution. Joy Behar
October 8, 2008 - 13:54 ET by goldboughI have a solution. Joy Behar and her rich friends can buy individual insurance for a bunch of people and the problem will be solved.
geeze
October 8, 2008 - 13:54 ET by owlpelletsShe is everyones crazy Aunt, bi polar mother in law, or bitter ex-wife. Her new gig is head speechwriter for Madonna, although Madonna is the brains of the bunch.
I always wanted to get into politics, but I was never light enough to make the team.
'Rearing' its ugly 'bottom'
October 8, 2008 - 13:55 ET by Mica the MagnificentIs that cleavage I see in that picture, or is Joy just growing another ass?
LOL
October 8, 2008 - 14:03 ET by GothampcLOL. You owe me $200 to replace a Diet Coke spewed computer screen.
MM
October 8, 2008 - 14:04 ET by larry on LIi just love your comment!
Best Joke
October 8, 2008 - 14:34 ET by MeanderingThat's the best joke I've seen in a while!
Mica, LOL. Next time, how about a spew-alert.
October 8, 2008 - 15:24 ET by R D HelmThat was FAH!
-Dave
joy behar
October 8, 2008 - 13:56 ET by larry on LIher only claim to fame is the 'view', she was fired as h.s. teacher here on LI. went around the comedy clubs here , but i think she scared more customers away than she drew.and did i say she is coyote ugly.
Hey Larry on LI
October 8, 2008 - 14:01 ET by Mica the MagnificentShe also had a gig at WABC radio in New York City.
She was to compete with Imus, who was on WFAN.
I heard her and she SUCKED.
She tried to be funny, but she lost her train of thought many, many times.
She was so embarrassing they threw her off the air after a few months, and I haven't heard a thing about her until she appeared on the The View..
No Talent Hack
October 8, 2008 - 14:07 ET by GothampcNow we know why she's the only original member of The View left. Only senile Barbara Walters will hire her.
Oh Joy
October 8, 2008 - 14:05 ET by bschoomMs Behar, in her continual endevor to sound wise, just comes off a foolish person. If it wasn't for the fact that she's in her mid-60's, I'd say she could look back on this show in several years, and realize how uninformed she sounded.
I don't think there's enough years left to allow her to reach that point.
Elisabeth
October 8, 2008 - 14:06 ET by Jack Hermanis probably worn down from the battle and tired of the fight. Even when the "so called" journalist Baba Wawa is on, objectivity still falls short.
What's disturbing is that
October 8, 2008 - 14:07 ET by mattmWhat's disturbing is that many others are just as ignorant as she is and they vote - sometimes more than once.
God help us.
solved health care?
October 8, 2008 - 14:10 ET by mbuel1) A report just recently came out of the UK that they are no longer supplying insulin to welfcare recipients that are over 70.
2) A report from last year from France was even worse than that. They no longer perform heart surgery on patients older than 65.
->Liberals love to be cynical of the free market health system saying that without further regulation or a continuation of the regulation that we currently have the free market insurance companies will look for whatever way possible to not cover certain individuals. This is FAR worse under Welfcare.
3) The Tax burden to pay for all this is:
A) un-necessary. The Laffer curve shows that increasing taxes equals decreasing size of government. What this means is that there is an optimum level of government, and most world governments are currently exceeding that (including our own.)
B) Would force all the middle class people that Snake Oil Obama claims to want to help.
And when you throw the "Physician Assisted Suicide" it gets even worse. In Oregon the recipients of Welfcare are not being properly treated for terminal cancer and the State Government is telling the doctors to prescribe the death pill.
»→ mbuel
October 8, 2008 - 14:19 ET by Cool ArrowI've been expecting this to happen in the US for some time. It can only be accelerated when we go socialized, with a weak economy, aging population, retiring baby boomers, and high alien population.
The generation supporting the baby boom retirees will have seen our generation depend on the government to care for our parents, and it will take the efforts of two workers to support one retiree.
Pragmatic decisions, based on ingrained situational ethics, will be made.
Here, Ma, take this. You'll feel better.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Do you know the source?
October 8, 2008 - 14:34 ET by Gothampc"1) A report just recently came out of the UK that they are no longer supplying insulin to welfcare recipients that are over 70."
Do you remember where that information came from? I'd like to show it to some of my liberal co-workers.
Gotham... If this is
October 8, 2008 - 14:43 ET by Clear thinkerGotham...
If this is true, Dr. Kevorkian would love the UK. He would have tens of thousands to kill.
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unfortunately no.
October 8, 2008 - 17:05 ET by mbuelI can't find the source of this news item.
I did find these you can share though:
http://www.qando.net...
and this story:
http://www.dailymail...
So while we are racing towards European socialism (from both parties) Europe (at least the Eastern portion for now) seems to be racing towards classic American free market capitalism... with lower taxes and regulations.
Found this as well:
http://www.biggovhea...
Not that it really matters. We have the Communist versus the Populist-Socialist.
France
October 8, 2008 - 14:19 ET by pwozFrance has the best healthcare in the world, but they combine private and public solutions to get it done.
There's also no SUE SUE SUE! attitude.. and doctors are not gov't employees. Whew.
Best French-speaking
October 8, 2008 - 14:40 ET by DarkCurrentBest French-speaking healthcare in the world? I'd concede that point uncontested. French-speaking is the one area France clearly excels at.
If you're claiming best all-around healthcare, please substantiate with objective metrics.
Some info
October 8, 2008 - 15:15 ET by UnsaneDoctors in France get paid 1/3 of what U.S. doctors do. This according to a Foreign Policy article of little more than a year ago, which also noted that if France even tried to pay their doctors as we do, France's health care system would be unaffordable.
That same article noted the following: health care is an issue everywhere. No one has solved anything on that front.
Not to mention the fact that their medical innovation seems to be lacking. Sure, France's system uses 11% of GDP compared to the U.S.'s 15%, but keep in mind how much research and development, innovation and invention is done in the United States compared to other countries in the world who have completely given up on such ventures in a bid to coddle and baby their populations. For instance, Happyland (Canada) has free health care but hasn't done a damn thing of relevance in the medical world for decades. They live parasitically off of the advances made by others. M.D. Anderson, a hospital in Houston, a city with a massive medical center, has a research budget larger than all of Happyland.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
unsane...great intel
October 8, 2008 - 15:22 ET by LionKingMost libtards do not understand the commitment to Health care in the USA because of capitalism.
I think that really illustrates the disparity between the 2 philosophies.
Unsane, it appears all is not well in happyland.
October 8, 2008 - 15:31 ET by R D HelmFor the medical Marxists, I mean.
Maybe there is hope for them yet. Until the libs re-take the government and shut them all down, that is.
-Dave
also
October 9, 2008 - 08:18 ET by mbuelThe french aren't paying BILLIONS to pay for illegals who won't or can't pay for themselves.
I do disagree with your assertation on other grounds as well. Any welfcare system that denies healthcare due to age, cannot be considered "the best in the world".
Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.
It is unbelievable how
October 8, 2008 - 14:23 ET by EurikaIt is unbelievable how ignorant these women are, they just need to live in England for a while to realise how deeply flawed the National healthcare system there is.
Solved it by doing away with it!
October 8, 2008 - 14:23 ET by ChasvsIknow peole in those Countries and they don't consider it healthcare. They see it as the best way to die!
Why does this bitch think they come to the USA for treatment when they need real healthcare?
STOP OBAMA and his adorning idiots NOW!
Japan also has a
October 8, 2008 - 14:25 ET by DarkCurrentJapan also has a semi-European-style socialist healthcare system.
When I lived there I had to visit the dentist at least 4 times just to get all my teeth cleaned once. They'd clean half a jaw, charge me the standard rate of 500 yen, then have me come back for another appointment for another half-jaw. This was the only way the dentist could apparently make a profit (govt paid per visit). Sure it was cheaper in simple cash terms than paying out of pocket in the US, but it cost a lot of time (= missed opportunity costs). Furthermore the job was much lower quality than I've had in the US.
Then take a look at the quality and technological standards of the hostpitals. My first child was born in Tokyo under the socialist medical system in the early '90s. The general condition of the hostpital looked like something from before my time in the US. My mother (an RN specializing in child birth) came over at the time and couldn't believe how backward it was. Japan in the '90s was not a technologically backward place in general, but the healthcare facilities sure were.
Second child was born in the US just 4 years later. The hostpital there (Seattle) looked like something from science fiction by comparison.
In China now I have private health insurance and use 'foreign' clinics based within state-run hostpitals. The difference between things inside the clinic and outside in the surrounding local hostpital are night and day.
I wish these Behar types would really try experiencing the rest of the world in personal terms before they preach to us about how great things are 'over there'
England's Solution
October 8, 2008 - 14:26 ET by ChasvsEngland had to pass a law saying a paitient would be seen within 8 hours of arriving at the EMERGENCY Room!
So what do they do? They hold people in the ambulances until they can be accomodated in the EMERGENCY room---and THEN they start the 8 hour clock!
Yeah, they solved healthcare alright. People don't get any healthcare, they just go there to die.
Behar's BS
October 8, 2008 - 14:32 ET by pocomocoQuestion to Behar: Please tell us why the people on all of the countries you mentioned are coming to America for their medical care - even our neighbors in Canada?
At least when Behar gets her lobotomy in America she won’t have to wait 6 months or a year to get it as in those countries.
The medical profession in America aims to serve, and Behar can be first in line for her procedure.
Now that’s what I call efficiency.
I have relatives in Canada
October 8, 2008 - 15:09 ET by IamTinmanand friends and customers in Britain, Spain, and Italy.
They universaly despise their national health, both for the time to get appointments and the quality of care when they finally get seen.
Inconvenient Truth
October 8, 2008 - 15:15 ET by LionKingNow that's an Inconvenient Truth the MSM will not report on.
Joy Behar is a moron
October 8, 2008 - 14:33 ET by Darwin AkbarThe UK has, of course, "solved" the problem through its The Final Solution to the Healthcare Problem, i.e., killing the old and infirm. Moreover, the HNS was also going to change the regulations to provide that unless one specifically opted out, the NHS could seize the corpse and mine it for transplant organs. All they need now is to place Drs. Mengele and Frankenstein in charge.
For braindead Joy
October 8, 2008 - 14:33 ET by UnsaneReally, Joy? The July/August (IIRC) 2007 edition of Foreign Policy contradicts you. In Britain, many people (40%, again IIRC) have private health insurance because the NHS is so crappy. The Netherlands likewise allows for private health insurance. Sure, France has a cheaper health care system, but it still has done nothing to advance medicine worldwide (the last time the French got a medical Nobel was 1980, according to my latest World Almanac) and the only reason it is so cheap is because the labor - the doctors - is paid so poorly: they only make 1/3 of what U.S. doctors do; couple that with abhorrent French rates of taxation, and they are barely making a living.
And Denmark? There's a Going Nowhere country if ever their was one. A glowing, obsequious Foreign Affairs article on how great Denmark is was full of holes and problems if one cared to look hard enough at it.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Why look up the whole story?
October 8, 2008 - 14:34 ET by MeanderingIf she even knew how to read instead of spewing out sentence fragments, thinking she's funny she could read that all these countries are starting to get away from their healthcare system since its failing, but why look at the facts when it goes against your liberal ramblings!
Joy Behar
October 8, 2008 - 14:58 ET by nandrelliThe woman is an idiot.
It's no surprised that
October 8, 2008 - 15:04 ET by dlombardIt's no surprised that ex-stand up comedians don't know what they're talking about. The fact that ABC continues to pay people who don't know what they're talking about to share with us their opinions on matter with which they're under-educated to even speculate on is the true mystery.
"Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words." Proverbs 23:9
Huffington Post readers are stupid
October 8, 2008 - 16:12 ET by OkieflyoverIf Behar ever was smart she has been losing brain cells by reading the Huffington Post. I have watched that show sporadically to see what the "left's" spin is. I have seen Behar read directly from the Huffington Post on multiple occassions. If that is your one and only informational source for political news and you have drunk the Kool Aid, it has to effect your IQ points in a negative way.
Stand-up Comedian?
October 8, 2008 - 15:29 ET by Atlanta Media GuyJoy Behar is an old hag. If she lived in "England" she would be left for dead. Basically, she is already dead. This View is a joke. What has happened to the MSM? They're all in the tank for Obama and just think once "That One" is elected they will all be thrown under HIS bus. They obviously aren't the Main Stream Media I once knew. John Stossel how can you work at ABC News and keep a straight face? Good Night! Good Luck and Good News? HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT! I just read the Bill of Rights and there is nothing there about healthcare. "That One" is one scary guy!
Europe
October 8, 2008 - 15:37 ET by SDSI lived in Spain for 5 years and can tell you that Europe has NOT solved healthcare. And Spain does not give free health care to illegal immigrants (Moroccans)
Blohar = chronically stoopid
October 8, 2008 - 17:25 ET by SickofLibsThe Brits are pulling out their own teeth? That explains that weird fascination with puddings, I guess.
Kinda reminded me of an old Abbott & Costello episode with a string tied to the bad tooth and the other end tied to a doorknob. The door was swung shut, and let's just say it didn't work that great. I forget if it was Bud or Lou on the receiving end.
Next, Blohar will report on why can't the US military be more like the WWII French 'Resistance'.
I'll swap Joy Behar's
October 8, 2008 - 18:05 ET by Jack BauerI'll swap Joy Behar's private American healthcare for Britain's Socialist healthcare anyday.
How about it Joy?
And another thing. If the 77 year old TED KENNEDY had contacted his malignant brain tumor in Great Britain and was depending on the UK's National Health Service... Guess what?
He'd probably be dead by now, (or terminal) because healthcare is rationed by certain criteria, and a major one is AGE.
He wouldn't have even had an MRI yet under the NHS because at 77, he's at the end of a very long line.
She wouldn't switch, her
October 8, 2008 - 23:22 ET by cocodrieShe wouldn't switch, her American policy covers mental.
It doesn't look like Joy has
October 8, 2008 - 19:27 ET by the strugglerIt doesn't look like Joy has solved stupid.
Note to Regis:
October 8, 2008 - 19:30 ET by AmericanEnergistPlease tape her mouth, bind her limbs and lock Joy in the closet...just for a few weeks, pleeease!
www.ArmchairEnergist...
Here's a few more
October 8, 2008 - 22:53 ET by tomnkikiHere's a few more statistics on those "Fabulous Socialized Medicine" countries. RE: prostate cancer deaths...49% Britain, 44% France, 20% UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! But...but...Obambi said that those countries provide better healthcare at less cost and with the same outcomes as the U.S. I don't think doubling to tripling my chance of dying of a certain disease as a "similar outcome". Instead, it's just plain scary.
Crap! I can't find the link for those statistics right off the bat. Sorry!
Joy Behar
October 8, 2008 - 22:55 ET by JanettaMy gosh! Who even wastes their time watching this program, The Shrew View? These 4 liberal airheads could not discuss a subject with any intelligence. Joy is one of the most hateful bitter woman I have ever seen. She must have very low self-esteem and be very unhappy. Can you imagine living with her and putting up with that mouth 24/7? Elisabeth, get off of that show ASAP. Those four gasbags will only make your life miserable.