'Heroes' of Discovery Channel Show Use Lasers on Japanese Whalers

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The Discovery Channel program "Whale Wars" portrays the radical activists of the left-wing Sea Shepherd Conservation Society as heroes going up against Japanese whaling ships, instead of the pirate-like harassers they really are.

According to Ecorazzi.com, a self-proclaimed "green" gossip site, the group revealed it was using a "photonic disruptor" against the whaling crew. According to WickedLasers.com says that particular laser has been featured on another Discovery Channel program - "Future Weapons" - and it can "temporarily overwhelm a threat's visual senses."

Both Discovery and Ecorazzi paint the Sea Shepherd crew as heroes in the fight against evil whalers rather than expose the groups' extremist viewpoints. The "Whale Wars" Web page describes them as the only group standing between "a 750-ton whale-killing machine and its prey. Whale Wars follows the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society as they seek to end Japanese whaling once and for all."

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But on the very same page are indications, such as the pirate logo on the Deleted Scenes button and on the caps worn by the crew, that the eco-activists are up to something less benign.

Paul Watson, founder of the Sea Shepherd Society, has publicly said mankind is a "virus" and we need to "re-wild the planet." In a May 4, 2007 editorial, Watson said "We are killing our host the planet Earth" and refused to apologize for having called human beings the "AIDS of the Earth."

He called for a population reduction to less than 1 billion people. The world population is nearly 6.8 billion as of Dec. 23, 2009. Watson also called for humans to return to primitive lifestyles. "We need to stop flying, stop driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles. The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us."

As for the "Whale Wars," there is already a worldwide moratorium on commercial whaling, but Japan continues to run a scientific whaling program. In February 2009, the Los Angeles Times wrote about a "bitter face-off" in Japan over whaling between Greenpeace activists and the Japanese government.

"These men have been painted as heroes," Joji Morishita said on behalf of the Japanese government. According to that article, 100 whales are "culled by Japan each winter." Norway and Iceland also "cull a limited number."

—Julia A. Seymour is an assistant editor for the Business & Media Institute.


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Seen it...

It really is a reprehensible show. Great way to brainwash younger kids who may be attracted to the show because of Deadliest Catch. You have to fool 'em if your a liberal - the truth will kill you.

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Why Dont' these Clowns Board a US Naval Vessel?

Never mind the International Laws these people are violating.  I am surprised the Japanese Navy has never scooped these people up and taken them into custody.

If these lawbreakers had any guts they'd try to board a US Naval Vessel on the high seas to protest the use of nuclear power.  That of course would be the shows final episode at sea.

With the problems with

With the problems with Somali pirates, I'm surprised the eco-terrorists featured on Discovery haven't been fired upon and sunk.

I've actually

I've actually entertained that notion Bb - Slowly (give any crew members on board time to jump ship) sink the vessel at dock and put her out of her misery.  I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one with those thoughts.

This is pretty good.  CFACT drops 'Ship of Lies' banner over the side of Greenpeace ship in Hopenhagen.  I like the shot of one of the crew members towards the end coming up from below, takes a look at the banner, shrugs his shoulders and just strolls off. 

Sink The Ship

Actually the French did just that years ago. They sunk a ship belonging to some eco-thugs in port.  (See the post below I think the Japanese should....)

Why they haven't been fired upon, you ask, Beukeboom?

It's television - these guys are the supposed "heros" that will save the world from "evil" whale hunters.

It's clever editing - they only want us to see the crusade in action and not any retaliation that might come up against them.

It's a stage - and all the left-wing, wacko nitwits aboard this ship are the actors.

It is a floating, radical propoganda machine - need I say more? 

It's the "Discovery Channel" - a cable network that is increasingly leaning left in just about all it broadcasts. Watch how much they espouse evolution - it's getting sickening!

Now - what was your question again?

"I could dance with you until the cows come home. On second thought, I'd rather dance with the cows until you come home!" - Groucho Marx

I think the Japanese should....

a page from the French.  During an under water nuke test around Tahiti, green peace said they would not leave the blast zone.....the French said "fine, the bomb goes off at 0600 hrs., if your there, oh well".  To say the least green peace got out quick....The French Navy then went on to blow the hull apart on their ship when it tied up in Tahiti harbor.  I think the ships name was the "rainbow warrior". 

"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"

Cicero

BEGRUNT, to that I say..

Yea and Amen! These self-appointed charlatans of the seas have not been granted by any government the right to do what they are doing. Yet, the left-wing stance of the "Discovery Channel" would have you think otherwise.

Blast away!

"One night I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas, I don't know." - Groucho Marx

The Rainbow Warrior was sunk in New Zealand, 1985.

You can read the Wiki entry here.

This incident was a PR disaster for the French and interfered with the US ANZUS treaty issue going on in New Zealand at the time. The Frogs would have been much better off to have denied the Rainbow Warrior entry to the restricted area, including by force if necessary.

IMHO, I think the Japanese Navy should send out a ship to protect its flagged whaling vessel from harassment by the Sea Shepherd wankers, and film any incidents in their entirety so that the Left can't edit the stories into a "provocation" issue. 

Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at theend of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

Hey alanf

You're surprised because you're a complete idiot. 

The japanese are the ones violating the law. Hunting whales is ILLEGAL. but i guess you love criminality.  

"If these lawbreakers had any guts they'd try to board a US Naval Vessel"

What? why would they board a US naval vessel? does our navy now go whaling?  Oh i forgot, you are completely clueless.  

Hey sajc05 ...

You nearly made me choke in my red wine in laughter at this swanky Upper East Side confab.   Be careful.

"Hunting whales is ILLEGAL"

Not according to the Japanese! Sit down and shut up! 

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"

 

not in those waters, buddy.

not in those waters, buddy. sit down and shut up. 

Prove it or sit down and

Prove it or sit down and shut up.

Wrong!  In

Wrong!  

In international waters, the laws of the Nation whose flag flies on that vessel apply to its actions.  Whaling is legal in Japan. That boat is Japanese.  Its actions are lawful on the high seas, regardless of what Greenpeace or anybody else thinks about this.  Those "activists" are interfering with the lawful conduct of Japanese Merchantmen on the high seas. Piracy.  Japan may sieze and punish them according to Japanese law on that subject at their discretion.  That they don't is purely a matter of political intimidation. 

Personally, I'd give those unshaven vermin fair warning that if they do not cease and desist, their actions will be interpretted for what they are, acts of piracy on the high seas.  Then I'd have that garbage scow they call a boat torpedoed with them on it.  But the politicians lack the stones to do this, even to the Somali Pirates, who are the scum of the earth.

Let's see, NL...

I'm going to mark you down as favoring the extinction of whales as well as their poorly groomed apologists.  :-)

Jer

Sounds like a plan to me.

Sounds like a plan to me.

I view it as favoring rule

I view it as favoring rule of law.

If these activists want to protest or propose political action, there are appropriate venues available to them for this.  Endangering mariners,  not to mention themselves, on the high seas is not one of them.

You are confused.  Piracy

You are confused.  Piracy is illegal.  Whaling is legal.

These clowns with their lasers are just about one whisker short of being outright pirates.  What they are doing, interfering with the legal activities of a flagged merchant vessel, would be considered an act of war if they were representatives of a legitimate state. 

I don't recall the Japanese

I don't recall the Japanese outlawing whaling.  But I do recall seal snipers putting bullets through the heads of pirates. 

I think the hippie OP is confusing his dimwitted reality with the rest of planet earth.

Too much irony here

One, what law are the Japanese violating?  You mean the one which regulates but does not prohibit the whale hunt?  By something called a treaty

Two, what the hell does a hyper-isolationist like you CARE about what the Japanese do anyway?  You are the one who wants to end the military and hermetically seal off the United States from the rest of the world... 

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sacj05, you know not of what

sacj05, you know not of what you speak/write regarding whaling. In the future, please refrain from making statements from ignorance.

Aren't you that same idiot

   Aren't you the idiot that said there was only one health insurance company in Pennsylvania? The same idiot that slunk off when I posted the 1200 companies?

  Now you are back again. sajc05: Hunting whales is ILLEGAL

Too bad MightyMouth beat me to the punch. However, I can link to the guys that say it is LEGAL.

Since the ‘moratorium’ came into effect after 1986, Japan, Norway and Iceland have issued scientific permits as part of their research programmes. In recent years, only Japan and Iceland have issued permits.

http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/permits.htm

Yea. These are the guys that make the rules. They are the guys that make the exceptions.

The International Whaling Commission (IWC) was set up under the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling which was signed in Washington DC on 2nd December 1946 (Click HERE to view full text). The purpose of the Convention is to provide for the proper conservation of whale stocks and thus make possible the orderly development of the whaling industry.

Looks like sajc05 is a 2 time idiot in 2 days.

1. Only one insurance company in PA

2. Hunting whales is illegal

Idiot. Dink. Dink. 2 time Idiot.

You're still confused on how

You're still confused on how insurance companies operate. They do NOT compete to reduce prices, they collude. stop with the limbaugh talking points brought to you by corporate interests. 

Prove it or sit down and

Prove it or sit down and shut up.

Collusion

Last I heard price fixing was a felony.   If these insurance companies are colluding, there must have been lots of regulatory and criminal actions at the State and Federal levels.

Sac, can you point us to some of these actions, say in Pennsylvania?

 You're still confused on

 You're still confused on how insurance companies operate. They do NOT compete to reduce prices, they collude.  Really?  Why, I bet if you had proof of this, the Texas State Attorney General's Office would LOVE to hear about this, as well as the Texas State Board of Insurance.

So, any proof?  I'll happily do the honor of sending it straight to Austin. 

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>Flush!<

>Flush!<

Do you really think so?

Do you really think so?  

 

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No worries, it's an idiot program

I've tried to watch several of these episodes, and here's what I find amusing.

Every single episode I've watched, they either get lost, someone almost gets killed falling off their stupid little boat, they lose the rope they need to tangle up the whaling ship's propellor or they just yell over the radio about how "This is the last day a whale dies!".

And that's it. I've only seen one episode where they got on board the whaling vessel, and one where they threw these "stink bombs" onto the deck of the big ship. When the whalers firght back, these little panzies start screaming that they're under attack and they're going to be reported to the UN or something. 

This show is a bomb. I don't see it changing anyone's view points any time soon.

It sounds pretty funny, actually

I saw a (dramatic) movie like that the other day, about racism at an ultra liberal college in New England.  It was deadly serious in its political correctness and POV....and I was ROTFLMAO. 

Sometimes the loons are sooooo serious you just have to laugh.

A Merry Christmas to you and yours.  Happy Motoring in 2010, and may we dump our Critter(s), each and every one. 

 

 

Talk about funny...

Whale Wars was my favorite comedy show last year.  Never in my life have I seen a ship of fools like the crew on this whale hugging vessel.  I couldn't help but LMAO at their incompetance.  For example on one show they ran a drill to offload their rubber 'attack' vessels (complete with crew) while underway.  Not a good plan...had to go directly into rescue mode which in itself was a comedy of errors.  

Why these clowns have not been prohibited from operating this vessel in such a negligent way by the IMO or brought up on charges under the Admirality Law is beyond me B.

The sad thing is not only are they putting themselves in danger but are putting other vessels in danger by their complete disregard for maritime sailing laws.  Intentionally ramming another vessel used to be considered a very serious offense.  I wouldn't board that ship in a drydock.

The last series I saw showed the Captain and the new first mate that replaced the previous first mate the crew had ealier turned on (I use those terms very loosely) being arrested at the dock.  Anybody got any updates about the outcome of those arrests?

B - This show had me laughing more than all of those fishing bloopers you linked. What makes it so funny is these aren't chance bloopers....it's just standard operating procedure for these clowns.

I think it was called

Spin to Into Butter.  I saw it too.  So ironically funny that it was sickening at the same time.

There is a movie on Comedy Central a lot called Idiocracy.  It's about America of the future, where idiots reign supreme.  Sadly I can see us heading that way.

 

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Yes, Phil

That was it, we were hooting with dirisive laughter. 

Liberals being serious, self-examining their dearly held beliefs....and then the self-loathing scenes.  I was crying I was laughing so hard.

A Merry Christmas to you and yours.  Happy Motoring in 2010, and may we dump our Critter(s), each and every one. 

 

 

This guy is even more moronic than is the norm for radicals

"The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us."

Uh, no, that would be the Amish. The Mennonites (at least the ones that live near me) ALL drive cars, except they are all black and lack hubcaps.

"...[he] called human beings the 'AIDS of the Earth.'"

"...said mankind is a virus..."

Then why don't you do the world a favor and feed yourself to a whale? Seriously?

 

They won't touch it

Whales don't eat garbage. They might slap him around though like a toy with their tails or something.

-Jon

The ones that showed up at

The ones that showed up at my Uncle's house and sang Christmas carols all came in cars.

On another note, this show is pretty funny.  A bunch of tough talking pansies that cry when they are "fired" upon. 

 

Act of war, time to send back some lead...

Where will these a$$hats be when Iran sends out a few containerized a-bombs to be tested against the ecosystem...

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Greenpeace

I love whales too but what Greenpeace is doing should not be allowed and I hope the Japanese will arm themselves and not only disable their ship but sink it.

I don't have any sympathy for the tactics of Greenpeace and consider them in the same class as the pirates of Somalia.

Any by the way, how on earth do they get away with preaching about the horrors of man's inventions when they sail around on one belching all sorts of soot into the pristine atmosphere they claim they want. All talk and no walk leftists as usual.

P.S. And they ought to put the ship's captain on a diet. That guy is bigger than two of the crew combined.

'And they ought to put the ship's captain on a diet'...

I think the whaling ship should put a harpoon in his @ss and claim 'mistaken identity'. 

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gunner!

Bwaaaaahahahahahah! Too funny! Excellent! ; )

Gary

Did you ever realize that the "stronger sex" is really the "weaker sex" because of the weakness of the stronger sex for the weaker sex?

Really, I don't see why they're so worked up about this.

The Japanese whalers, as others have in centuries past, are probably targeting right whales.

;D 

The stronger sex is the weaker sex because the stronger sex taught the weaker sex the effective use of firearms.

(And regrets it to this day.)

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My First Impression . . .

. . . . of the ''Captain'' was that he was a Mouth-breather Leftist dolt. He ALWAYS had a clueless look on his face. I have to agree with the person here who said it was a great comedy show. 

 

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Mennonites without cars

The heathen can't survive like the Mennonites.  No filty televisions.  No homo schools.  They actually do physical work.  Mennonites eat animal protein.

Stupid Green Peace Retards.

Since when it is illegal to kill whales? Oh did the UN say it was bad?

The UN isn't a government thus it's laws mean ZERO, nothing NADA. These eco-terrorists deserved to have their boats sunk or attacked by the whalers. 

SINK THE BASTARDS.

Problem solved. 

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South Park did an

South Park did an absolutely hilarious episode on these useless dummies-a "must watch" for anyone who, like me, thinks these dingleberries are about as idiotic as they come!

 

 

"Hypocrisy, the lie, is the true sister of evil, intolerance, and cruelty."

Here's a link to the South

Here's a link to the South park episode....

http://www.watchxonline.com/media/6975-south-park-1311-whale-whores.php

"Hypocrisy, the lie, is the true sister of evil, intolerance, and cruelty."

SP WW

I was going to place the South Park episode link here but you beat me to it.  I like when the Captain gets nailed to the wall and the crew goes ape-poop and doesn't have a clue as to what to do. Stan goes over and gets a signal flare, shoots it onto the Japanese ship and just happens to hit a bunch of fuel cans which blows up and sinks the Japanese ship. They make Stan their new ''Leader''.

The first time I saw the 'Whale Wars' show I watched it with my wife. She was all for the pirates because who really wants to see any whales killed? But I thought that they were eco-terrorists (as the Japanese in the South Park episode calls them) and that if what the Japanese were doing was actually illegal then there are other non-violent ways to deal with them. This article still does not make clear what the Japanese are doing and if they are within their rights. Culling the whale herds is one thing but WHY are they culling the herds?

I do not know. Of course, I haven't read all of the comments here but I'm sure someone knows.

 

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The whaling ships should arm

The whaling ships should arm themselves with exocet missiles. Problem solved, show over.

I agree with Paul,

We need to depopulate.  He and his crew should go first.

Kill more whales.

I've only watched the show a few times, and I must admit that I've enjoyed it.  When they show the idiots on the green peace boat and what they have to say, I find myself hoping to see the Japanese kill a whale.  Before watching this show, I never thought about whales or whaling.  But now I'm all for it!!!! 

The Mennonites survive

The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us.

 They do not.  He's an idiot.  The Amish might be who he's thinking of, but even they get us "hessians" to drive them around.

Watson has obviously never been in Lancaster on a Saturday night

Just sayin'. 

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Heroes Vs. Villains

If this true virus of a human being Watson won't do the world a favor by killing himself, maybe his time would be better spent taking his message of population reduction to the Middle East, where the birth rate is among the highest in the world. He could seek out one of the more "primitive" regions, where they don't have cars. It would be like living in paradise, and I'm sure the locals would love being told they should limit their breeding! 

I think its despicable that these whale obsessed characters are being portrayed as heroes. By contrast, when anti-abortion activists sometimes attempted to block entry to clinics, they were portrayed as villians.  

"He called for a population

"He called for a population reduction to less than 1 billion people."

Guess he's hoping for the Rapture?

"Under Capitalism, man exploits man.  Under Communism it's just the opposite."

"All that Communism needs to make it successful is for someone to feed and clothe it."

For all of their talk

Of compassion, tolerance and social justice in a nutshell these jerks really want another 'final solution'. Of course the enlightened elite (them) will be exempt from that 'solution' and they will live in harmony with nature where the real life expectancy is about 35 years. Hypocrisy doesn't explain this divorcement from reality. 

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Well then. It's a good thing we didn't completely demolish...

 ...Auschwitz.

All we need to do next is go up to Siberia and renovate the place and we can wipe out at least 20 or 30 million right there.

Between the remaining Nazi death camps, Soviet gulags, Siberia and Obamacare we should be able to meet his target in about 10 years.

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there's no longer any excuse for hunting whales.... but...

I'd gladly put a .308 into the bridge of the anti-whaler ship if it ever endangered my ship or crew. As far as these asshats boarding my ship.... oh please do! Once on my deck I own your ass. When I'm done the sharks will have a nice dinner.

They get away with this crap because the whaling captains have way more gentleman in them than I do. However, I expect one of them to consider his ship in danger and put a whale dart right through the windscreen on the asshats bridge. Personally I'd love to see them put one below the water line.

WHAT?

WTF????

Why the hell do people here have a problem with a group of people who try to protect a species? 

You do know that whaling is illegal in these waters, or areyou fake conservatives now anti law?  

are you against the minutemen too? or are you just COMPLETE hypocrites?  

 

Why the hell do people here

Why the hell do people here have a problem with a group of people who try to protect a species?

No but to harrass a vessel in a pirate like fashion tehn tehy should be dealt with as pirates.  Whaling is illegal according to who?  Gad what a maroon.  This is most likely the last I will post on this to you.

WTF? Oh really? Name one contribution whales have made recently

...besides humping for whale-watching charters. Whales are in fact, the "fakes" you speak of, or as conservatives like to say, "finned hippie cows."

If they're so smart, they should step up to the plate and show some initiative like you progressives... maybe wreck some boats like in the old days.

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Sick of libs, CO2 is Carbon

Sick of libs, CO2 is Carbon DIOXIDE, CO Is Carbon MONOXIDE.

The danger of sitting in a car, in the closed garage, with the engine running is from CO. 

Derbal

He knows that. The quote you are seeing is his tag line. It is from one of NB's less respected trolls. Apparently, liberals think that CO is CO2, thus their fear of natural climate cycles. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Restless, why are you implying priests are violent?

;)

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Whats an atom or two between

Whats an atom or two between friends.

All I Gotta Say Is...

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LMAO, LMAO....

Boy that one made my day...2009 has sucked royally but humor has a way of making up for the crap we endure.  

"Race doesn't matter..liberals are only one color - YELLOW"

"Somewhere, deep in the jungles of Kenya, a village is missing its idiot."

 Moron,  Aren't you one

 Moron,

 Aren't you one of the buffoons who were jumping up and down and screaming about gitmo torture. Hypocrite! Go back to KOS.

A guy was recently arrested

A guy was recently arrested in the Tampa area for shining a laser pointer on a police helicopter.

What part of "do not point directly at eyes" do you not get?  They have to post laser warning signs outside of lasik surgery rooms...just on the off chance you could walk in without eye protection and have your sight permanently damaged.

Perhaps it'd be OK for these Green Peaceniks to capture the whalers and give them Roman crucifixions, walk the plank, or maybe sprinkle some Zyklon B down on them while they're imprisoned in the hold?

How do you protect a species?  I guess some other countries aren't like the United States, but apparently over here you can lobby and pay off congressmen as well as file lawsuits.  Hell, they've managed to do it and turn a huge chunk of California into a wasteland.

Funny how "compassion", "humanity" and adherence to a civilized, judicial way of doing something suddenly evaporate when a Libtard cause is involved...especially when things don't go their way.

And, no, I don't think they need to be hunting these whales, either.

"Under Capitalism, man exploits man.  Under Communism it's just the opposite."

"All that Communism needs to make it successful is for someone to feed and clothe it."

What gives these vigilantes the right to attack whalers?

 Got a problem with 'illegal' whaling? Call the UN...for all the good that does.

They're too busy attacking Israel and the US for fighting terrorists and not giving them enough money to maintain their crooked lifestyles and tinpot dictatorships.

How many destroyers does the UN have, anyway?

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To answer your naive,

To answer your naive, ignorant questions: 

Why the hell do people here have a problem with a group of people who try to protect a species? 

 

First of all, they aren't actually trying to protect a species. Get your facts straight. Secondly, the manner in which they are doing it is putting people at risk and is violating maritime law. Thirdly, trying to justify unlawful behavior putting people at risk for their lives by claiming the violators are trying to "protect a species" shows just how ignorant you truly are and how dishonest you are in regards to this topic. 

You do know that whaling is illegal in these waters, or areyou fake conservatives now anti law?  

You keep saying it is against the law but you've not shown what law applies and is being broken. Secondly, define "these waters." Keep in mind the locations at sea in which these incidents take place. Again you show your complete ignorance. 

are you against the minutemen too? or are you just COMPLETE hypocrites?

Completely irrelevant questions and non sequiturial too. You probably aren't intelligent enough to understand what a non sequitur actually is and you probably don't even understand what logical fallacies are in the first place.

 

You haven't a clue.

  Whaling is ILLEGAL in the

 

Whaling is ILLEGAL in the US and international waters. But i'm sure you're not intelligent enough to understand laws since you seem to be one of those fake conservative, fox news/limbaugh brainwashed tools.

 

Fake conservative again, huh?

You need a new insult, silly.

I hear whale meat is very tasty.

A Merry Christmas to you and yours.  Happy Motoring in 2010, and may we dump our Critter(s), each and every one. 

 

 

They aren't in U.S. waters

They aren't in U.S. waters and you have not shown anyone what specific law that applies in international waters. According to sources already cited, the Japanese boats were issued the proper permits by the international governing board that was set up to oversee such therefore, if that is true, then they are not violating international law. So until you can provide documented proof (include links) showing they are violating international law then SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!

For the hypocrite

What does a hyper-isolationist like you CARE about ANYTHING happening beyond the shores of the United States?  You damned hypocrite...

And really, stop scolding and lecturing people on what "real" or "fake" conservatives are when you CLEARLY are not one.  Hypocrite. 

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The only brainwashed tool around here is you.

Where do you get your talking points from. From your reaction to this thread I would say you are about 18 years of age if that and know nothing about anything.

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Whaling is NOT illegal in

Whaling is NOT illegal in International waters. 

Treaties between parties are not binding upon unaffiliated third parties, in this case the Japanese. It is not illegal for the Japanese to whale unless they are taking whales in a manner or in excess of treaty obligations they have voluntarily assumed.  Any attempts by other nations or private individuals to impose such restrictions upon them by force are by definition, acts of war or piracy, respectively.

These activists are private individuals and therefore pirates.

Hypocrisy

 areyou fake conservatives now anti law What have I told you about scolding and lecturing conservatives on what conservativism is when you have demonstrated you clearly are NOT a conservative?

are you against the minutemen too? or are you just COMPLETE hypocrites?  If anyone here is a COMPLETE hypocrite, it is you.  You constantly scold and lecture NBers for not being conservative when you yourself are not a conservative.  Finally, you whine and cry about something that, if you were intellectually consistent, is none of your business.  What does a hyper-isolationist like you even care about what the Japanese do, concerning...anything at all? 

Your opinion on Japan should be...well, you should have zero opinion of Japan, IF you were intellectually consistent. 

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Wowser

Wowser.

Good thing these "Ecorazzi" didn't point their weapon at abortion providers, or the Left would go 24/7, apesh1t ballistic at how horrifically violent and hateful are these 'radicals' with their fascist agenda.

"Save the marine life, but kill the unborn humans."

 

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so true.  "Pro lifers are

so true.  "Pro lifers are deranged gun nuts."  

 The libs, their fringe goes taliban to save the whales but won't speak up for defenseless unborn babies. 

100 whales are "culled" each winter?

Would it require a Constitutional amendment for us to "cull" 100 congressman each winter?

Strictly for research, mind you. 

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I'll vote for that sicko

I couldn't think of a more useful research project.

 ;-))

 

Wiz: I nominate the Exalted Cyclops for the first experiment

We owe it to the human race to find out how this guy can remains so sharp and focused.

Then move on to Frankie "The Cadaver" Lautenberg, who is still as nimble as a woodsprite.

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Whale Wars is a Criminal Enterprise

Whale Wars is a Criminal Enterprise. They continually try to interfere with a vessel underway and while doing so not only put thier own stupid lives at risk but also the lives of everyone aboard that Japanese ship and any other vessel in the area. I have spent my entire life working at sea. I first started going to sea with my Uncle Thad, a shrimper out of Chauvin La. Once I was 21 I entered the U.S. Navy and served on Subs and Sub Tenders as a Submarine Sonarman. After the Navy I worked since 1980 with Remotely Operated Vehicles (ROV think robot sub). I have worked all over the world in all the Oceans of the world. I only mention the biography not to impress but to give you some idea of my credentials.

The one thing that you NEVER EVER do is hazard another vessel. At a minimum the Master (Captain for non-nautical types) should lose his License/Ticket. He should never be allowed to be operating on the same Oceans, Seas, Waterways, Rivers, Lakes, Canals or any other Navigable Waterway. The "Discovery Channel" should also be held accountable for these actions because the operators of the vessel were acting the stupid way they were doing to provide "Entertainment" for the "Discovery Channel" and thier affiliates.

I have already registered complaints with the Coast Gaurd but they did not seem interested. The Coast Gaurd is the adjudicator of U.S. Maritime Licenses but it maybe that the Master has his ticket from a country of convienence, I do not know. I have also registered my complaints with Discovery Channel with the actions displayed on these programs. It might be good TV but it is Irresponsible and Negligant behaivor that they are promoting. I also register the same types of complaints when I see unsafe practices celibrated on other programs. It is hard enough to stay safe at sea and working in an environment where evrything is moving all the time without having such actions glorified and then imitated by new hires that think it is cool.

Sorry for getting on the Soapbox here but this stuff really burns me up to no end.

Rich

The Sea Sheppard was brought to task for getting their larger vessel close to other ships. By the second 'season' they were warned by the Norwegian (I believe - could have been Netherlands) authorities not to get close or they would lose their registry. SO, the brain-dead numbnuts could only harass the Japanese with their smaller craft and helicopter. That's when they went in for the newer technology mentioned in this post.

 

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It does not matter if it is a rowboat, dingy, or a helicopter

It does not matter if it is a rowboat, dingy, or a helicopter the operative words is "hazarding a vessel underway". The rules of the road only apply when two or more vessels are operating in proximity and each needs rules that will keep all the vessels from hazarding eah other. The default position is that each of the vessels are not trying to interfere with the safe operation with another. Once someone takes an action that tries to restrict the movements or navigation of a vessel all bets are off. If they try to throw a line(rope) to deliberatly foul the screw, wheel, propellor or what ever you want to call it then that action comes very close to piracy. It is the actions regardless of the intentions that are important. Ships are not cars or trucks. They are influenced by tides, seas, wind, wave, and other forces. Ships require constant vigilance in order to keep them properly controlled and safe for not only those onboard but also for everyone even those that or not even remotely close to the situation at hand. Ships do not respond instantly to the rudder. Each ship operating has its own set of figures called Advance and Transfer that need to be taken into account when piloting the vessel. Advance is the distance the ship continues to move before the ship begins to respond to the rudder and this figure changes with speed and rudder angle. Transfer is the distance the ship moves laterally in opposition to the rudder and again this changes with speed and rudder angle. his all needs to be taken into account when working in restricted waters.

You do not need to have another vessel in close proximity to be a hazard to another vessels navigation. If the eco-warriors place thier vessel in anyway in such an area that limits the other vessels movements that "MIGHT" restrict the movements or limit the actions of another vessel that prevents the other vessel from operating in a safe manner they are guilty of restricting the free navigation of the other vessel.

All of these items are the reason for Running Lights, Flags, Radar, Bouys, Charts, etc. It just takes one irresponsible player to screw the whole thing up and make the seas more dangerous and unpredictable than it already is. That is reason enough for me to be so mad at these idiots.

richb

Thank you for the clearly stated information.
Your posts are excellent for those of us landlubbers on the site.
Thanks for your service too.
Sam: "I hurt somebody's feelings once"

Rich

Thanks for the info and I agree completely. My post was to let you know what was going on.  I certainly do not condone anything those mouth-breathers do. 

 

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A question of which you

A question of which you probably have a better idea of a legit answer than I. Is that ship on Whale Wars registered in the U.S.? If not, that may be why the Coast Guard isn't interested or maybe cannot do anything about it. If that ship is registered legally in another country, perhaps someone can put pressure on that country to do something about it (whatever good that does).

 

Also, for whatever it's worth, I imagine that the episodes airing were actually filmed and/or videotaped six months to a year or more ago. I've got ten years of television news experience under my belt and know somewhat of the production that goes on regarding reality shows such as these.

These guys aren't Greenpeace.

The captain was a founder of Greenpeace, but he got kicked out when he thought their tactics were too tame.

I also find it entertaining, mainly to laugh at their incompetence.  The one time they got kind of close to stopping the Japanese from doing anything, they failed.  The Japanese realized they couldn't really do anything, so they killed 2 whales and butchered them right in front of the Sea Shepherds.

I don`t like extremist

I don`t like extremist groups, whether they are on the left or right. But it would`nt bother me a bit if every Japanese whaling boat was sent to the bottom of the sea.

Nope...no 'extremism' here...move along.

 It wouldn't bother me a bit if every leftwing nutjob environmental 'activist' that pointed dangerous weapons at legitimate mariners ended up with a harpoon (accidentally, of course) up their @ss.

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PRESIDENT Obama: 'BECAUSE we CAN'.

extra points if ....

ya put the harpoon through a hippie to the ship's hull below the water line. It requires a downward angle shot which the whalers are practiced at.

I'd pay to see that one.

 

"As for the "Whale Wars,"

"As for the "Whale Wars," there is already a worldwide moratorium on commercial whaling, but Japan continues to run a scientific whaling program."

"Scientific studies" my butt.

You have evidence to the

You have evidence to the contrary or are you just blowing liberal smoke?

I laughed at this show

I began watching the 1st Season of this show and my jaw just dropped to the floor. The running joke with my wife about this show is: "this is what happens when you walk into a starbucks and say "who wants the adventure of a lifetime?" Unfortunately you find out real fast that the people that raise there hand and say "Me Me" are the ones who have never had a job and smoke pot all day.... I'm seriously surprised no one has gotten killed on that show because now one knows what the hell they are doing. These people need to be arrested as from what I've researched as Japan is doing nothing Illegal - you might not like it but it is LEGAL! Anyway that is my 2 cents.

Whale Wars

I believe I've seen every episode of "Whale Wars".  While I disagree with many of the tactics of Watson and his crew, the series is interesting, informative, and provocative.

The suggestion that The Discovery Channel portrays the anti-whalers as heroes is not entirely accurate and overlooks the balancing views which the producers regularly provide the audience-- not the least of which is the repeated reference to Watson's controversial past including his ouster from Greenpeace due to his overt environmental radicalism.

It's a great show.

Jer

Jer

I, too, have seen just about every episode and I have never seen anyone explain ''culling of the whale herds'' explained nor even mentioned once. (Although, I do have the mind of a 85 year old male and he's anxious to get it back.) It's always ''the Japanese claim to be killing whales for scientific study'' - and the ''scientific study'' is never explained. At least, I've never heard any full explanation of what the Japanese are doing in the Antarctic Ocean from the 'Sea Shepherd Conservation Society' or the crew of the 'The Steve Irwin'. Or from Animal Planet as well.

And since the crew of the ship has almost all of the ''face time'' I don't think it's very balanced at all. Mind you, I don't care about that so much as someone claiming that.  I just watch it knowing it's the most hilarious example of Leftist Theology there is on the tube today. 

 

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DokFranken--More Whale Wars

Why do you watch the show ["just about every episode"]?  Could it be that you find it "interestesting, informative, and provocative" as do I.

Reread my post.  Did I claim it was a completely balanced presentation?  Personally, I think Watson is a bastard.  And I clearly didn't--and don't--endorse the tactics he and his crew employ.

But I still like the show.

Jer
 

Why?

Re-read my post. 

[Edit] Oh, and I find it amusing, ostentatious, outrageous and typical of Extreme Liberal insanity. In other words, a hoot.

 

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Sorry, Dok...I overlooked

Sorry, Dok...I overlooked the last sentence of your earlier post.  Still, it would seem that you at least consider Whale Wars interesting, if not informative and provocative.  Coincidentally, your explanation was the identical reason I watched O'Reilly virtually every night for years:  i.e., a premier example of Conservative insanity--and very entertaining.  But, I was finally able to break the habit and now watch only occasionally.  Maybe you'll be able to do likewise with Whale Wars.

Jer

Populist, not conservative

 O'Reilly is scarcely a conservative.  A Right-leaning populist to be sure.  But a conservative?  Hardly.

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Mostly agree with your opinion, Unsane...but

I use the term broadly, sort of the way "liberal" is used here.

Jer

Please don't use O'Reilly as an example of conservatism...

'Populist' is indeed a great way to describe him

He can be dangerously ignorant at times. 

O'Reilly lost me when he kept attacking Big Oil for not unilaterally lowering the price of gasoline as a public service. 

(Apparently he's unfamiliar with the commodites markets and the oil companies' legitimate obligation to maximize the return on shareholders' investment.)

I don't know what motivates him but it doesn't seem to be conservative principles.

CANDIDATE Obama: 'Yes, we CAN'.

PRESIDENT Obama: 'BECAUSE we CAN'.

Okay Tg....

Okay Tg...how about right-leaning populist buffoon?  :-)

Jer

Endorsement

I for one endorse that. 

Merry Christmas!   

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I second that !

I second that ! 

 


خال

Unsane and Free S...

Well hark the herald...two endorsements!  That may be a personal best.

Merry, merry Christmas to you both.

Jer

Is Uncle Jer a racist? Or is he heavily invested in beef...

   ...and or beef byproducts?

Racism charge

A senior official of the country's Fisheries Agency, Joji Morishita, told the programme that Japanese people felt much of the criticism was racist.

A Buddhist priest recites a list of whales killed

He said: "We're trying to protect the principle of the sustainable utilisation of any animal, but whales are treated as an exception.

"If you say whaling is cruel you should compare it with the hunting of deer, which is accepted.

"Singling out whaling is cultural imperialism - some people would say it's racism. Norway and Iceland are also whalers, but the criticism of Japan is stronger."  

source 

Now I only have one source that says Uncle Jer has cornered the beef market in Japan and that by driving any remaining whale meat eaters into the beef market, he will be the richest man in Asia. "Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-haw" says Uncle Jer. Still looking for that second source to confirm.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF...

My medical team has instructed me to lay off the beef.  My personal investment guidelines eschew investing in any food sources which I am forbidden to consume.

U J

P.S. Merry Christmas Vet!

Jer, as heavily edited as

Jer, as heavily edited as the show is, there's little legitimate information provided. If you bother fact-checking what is claimed by the participants on the show you will find much of it to be inaccurate and clearly liberal propoganda.

Beukeboom...

You're right.  As you are probably aware, the prologue of every episode mentions that both the Japanese and the warriors claim to have international law on their side.  The Japanese insist they are permitted to kill a certain number of whales for scientific research.  But the explanation, such that it is, is woefully superficial and I admit to not having researched the issue in greater depth.  I should.

Jer 

International laws are a

International laws are a joke and might as well be nonexistant.  The only laws taht apply are the laws of survuval of the fitest.

Japan

I've lived in Japan and know what the Japanese think about this.  They don't see it as any different than eating a cow, pig or other farm animal. Right or wrong, that's what they believe.  You can argue with them until you are blue in the face but they will not see the difference. Frankly, neither do I. 

I've been around live animals in my life.  Cows and deer with their big brown eyes are really gorgeous creatures.  Pigs are smelly but they are highly intelligent.  Chickens aren't much but baby chicks are super cute.  However, most of us eat all of them.  Personally, I won't eat whales and don't see why it's necessary for the Japanese to eat them either.  But you know what?  It's really none of our business.  Who died and make westerners the kings of the world.  It's funny how on one hand we can't tell meglomanicas like Kim Il Jung or Ahmahdin(whats his name) to stop their incessant crapola (i.,e killing our own species) but on the other hand try to dictate to Japan what they are allowed to take from the open seas. 

By conservative estimates some 1 million babies are culled every year in the U.S.  Where is Discovery Channel's "Abortion Wars" programming?

Everything in the world is upside down.  I don't see any end in sight. 

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Excellent points, Ray

I've never seen this show, although I love the "nature" shows (but the incessant Global Warming nonsense gets old)....but I wouldn't classify Whale Wars as a nature show, per se.

 

A Merry Christmas to you and yours.  Happy Motoring in 2010, and may we dump our Critter(s), each and every one. 

 

 

You left yourself open. I am very sorry. I have to take the shot

 Chickens aren't much but baby chicks are super cute.  However, most of us eat all of them. 

  The proper syntax is thus - ...but baby chicks are super cute.  However, most of us eat them whole.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

I must object to one item,

I must object to one item, albeit a minor quibble...pigs actually aren't that smelly. They do wallow in the mud but the reason for that is their skin needs protection from the sun and the mud helps with that as well as helping them keep cool. Pigs, in of themselves, are quite clean animals and have very little odor.

 

Now skunks on the other hand...

Uh, what exactly is a

Uh, what exactly is a "scientific whaling program"?

Start on the big ones and

Start on the big ones and work our way according to a specific table.

The kitchen table?

(They'll eat just about anything in Japan.)

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hmmmm

I've also heard it said that the Chinese will eat everything on the table except the legs.
Personally, I believe with the right sauce you can choke most anything down.
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The crypto-dummy pipes in again.

balboa the crypto-dummy: Uh, what exactly is a "scientific whaling program"?

Uh, what exactly is the purpose of your internet connection?  Uh, too stupid to actually try to type www.google.com into that field above you? Uh, too stupid to then type scientific whaling program into the only field that pops up on the page after that?

Uh, too stupid to click on the very first result?

Article VIII

1. Notwithstanding anything contained in this Convention any Contracting Government may grant to any of its nationals a special permit authorizing that national to kill, take and treat whales for purposes of scientific research subject to such restrictions as to number and subject to such other conditions as the Contracting Government thinks fit, and the killing, taking, and treating of whales in accordance with the provisions of this Article shall be exempt from the operation of this Convention. Each Contracting Government shall report at once to the Commission all such authorizations which it has granted. Each Contracting Government may at any time revoke any such special permit which it has granted.

2. Any whales taken under these special permits shall so far as practicable be processed and the proceeds shall be dealt with in accordance with directions issued by the Government by which the permit was granted.

Uh, maybe you wanted us to contact the government of Japan and find out exactly what research they were conducting?

Uh, yea not gonna happen?

Uh, yea, not your google monkeys?

I've eaten whale several

I've eaten whale several times over in Japan. It was actually quite good. What was funny about it was that even though I knew good and well that it is a mammal, I still was surprised when I saw the raw meat and realized that it was similar looking to beef and not fish.

Can you even imagine what the response of Americans would be if the Japanese came over here and forcibly imposed their supposed morals on us?! Arrogant libs. 

Libs are already forcing

Libs are already forcing their morals on everyone else in the United States courtesy of the Obama administration with a Pelosi/Reid controlled legislative branch and a plethora of liberal activist judges.

bad memory

Sorry, but the first thing I thought of when I read your post, was that guy on the old Alka Seltzer commercial moaning, "I can't believe I ate the whole thing..."
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I think that the final word

I think that the final word in this debate would have to be that whaling must be stopped before we have no sperm whales left and that if and when a space probe enters our solar system in the distant future and innocently tries to contact them and in doing so almost destroys our entire planet, necessitating a trip back to the past (our present) to snag two whales, who would then be taken back to the future so that they could respond to the probe's message and in doing so save our world and the entire human race. Yep, that's what I think.

 

That would not be logical

and double dumb @ss on you :-)

AH, Pewah

That would be Humpback (Humpedback?) Whales, not Sperm. Although . . . . 

 

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"Captain Kirk, you have a

"Captain Kirk, you have a call on the white courtesy phone. Captain James Tiberius Kirk to the white courtesy phone."

however

If I recall correctly, it did give us the formula to transparent aluminum....
And the well versed time travler's saying, "Well, how do we know HE didn't discover it?"
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In defense of these tree

In defense of these tree huggers...

 

1) They are using their own money to fight the whalers.  They didn't wait for their governments to act or give them money.   

2) it is illegal under international law to kill whales unless it's for scientific purposes or you have a special permit or something.  I think most commercial whale meat is only supposed to come from whales "sacrificed" for science.  Whale meat is expensive and a lot of whaling ships are poaching ships.  Whales can fetch millions of dollars in the black market. 

3) they are doing this in international waters, i think. they aren't breaking american crimes, so.. who cares?  UN, Belgium can go to hell, anyway.  They let Iran get nukes, don't even enforce own whaling laws, etc.   Let the tree huggers and whalers fight it out.  Law of the jungle out there, darwinian survival.  If the japanese want to use their navy against them... they should do it.  If the whale huggers want to escalate, let them use a private F-18... who cares?  

4) whaling is not like recreational hunting or even commercial fishing.  Many of the fish we eat, breed fast.  Whales don't breed as fast as deer or tuna.  It's not like the ocean has an infestation of whales.  People don't get on row boats or ATVs to go out and kill whales.   

 
5) don't give me this... "let's be PC and respect their culture" nonsense.  Stop with the international populist stuff.  Japan is part of the world economy, first world nation... corporations provide many alternatives to whale meat... like beef, chicken, pork, turkey, salmon, etc... all farmed flesh based products made from domesticated animals.    

Well, Greenpeace, or whatever these punks call themselves...

...don't get to dictate the Japanese menu.

If these latter-day 'privateers' want to do some real good, they can putt on over to Somalia and ram some pirate dinghies.

But they might break a nail or even sustain a paper cut while reading them the riot act. (Just before their Zodiacs get blown to Sagittarius.)

I don't see that happening anytime soon. Liberal environmentalists, as do pirates, criminals and Democrats (but I repeat myself) prefer unarmed targets. 

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Then let a duly constituted authority deal with it

If the Japanese are breaking a Treaty then let a duly constituted authoity deal with it. If you think these guys onboard are really concerned about the Whales or could it be they are more concerned about themselves. I am not defending the Japanese. I am defending the ability for a flagged vessel of any Nation to be able to operate and Navigate freely upon the High Seas. Any group that takes action to prevent this is considered taking actions very close to piracy.

Japan and whales

don't give me this... "let's be PC and respect their culture" nonsense.  Stop with the international populist stuff.  Japan is part of the world economy, first world nation... corporations provide many alternatives to whale meat... like beef, chicken, pork, turkey, salmon, etc... all farmed flesh based products made from domesticated animals.  But the Japanese culture accepts whale meat as a food source.  Basically, in Japan, if it swims, it's food.  Not too surprising since the Japanese islands are in fact surrounded by water as my use of the word "island" in plural implies...

But think about it for a minute.  Suppose the Japanese do not politely tell us to get bent, and they DO stop eating whale to make you feel better. What then?  Will we have to stop eating cow to make the Indians and Hindus in general feel better?  Will we have to stop eating pigs because we need to make Muslims feel better?    

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"I've been around live

"I've been around live animals in my life.  Cows and deer with their big brown eyes are really gorgeous creatures."

 

Last time I checked cows and deer were`nt being driven to  extinction for "scientific research."

Nether are whales

"Last time I checked cows and deer were`nt being driven to  extinction for "scientific research."

But, then again, nether are the whales.  The whale population has been increasing over the last 30 years, despite what Greenpeace may be telling you.  How can any species be driven to extinction while their numbers are increasing every year? They're not related to the increasing population of 'endangered' Polar Bears, are they?

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This is to funny!

I wish I was the Captain when they were caught in the shaft and or props, full steam reveres boys, we must search for any survivors, but being a man of the sea, I know that you must rescue whomever is in need, so after saving them, would it be legal to hang them as terrorists, or could you make them walk the plank? Here in the Great Northwest, years ago we have had some tree muggers, I meen huggers, at a private home developers site, approximately 250 acres, with all the set asides and everything legal, they still showed, sheriffs came, nothing, so what's a guy to do, have your saw warmed up as you leave the landing, all of your safety gear on and inspected, including ear protection, and start cutting, God does work in mysterious ways at times. :-} Not much of that stuff going on much anymore, after one death, and many injuries, it's funny how word of mouth get's out to all concerned, and behavior changes, maybe the politicians will get the hint in this next election cycle, now there's hope and change we can believe in!

Frankly, if the Japanese

Frankly, if the Japanese boat sunk the eco-terrorist's ship and brought the survivors on board, I think the proper course of action would be to tend to the wounded but confine them all, take them to the closest Japanese port of call, and bring them to trial in a Japanese court. Once they (the eco-terrorists) attack a ship, they are effectively breaking laws of that ship's country port of origin. For example, when the Somali pirates boarded that American ship (the Maersk Alabama cargo ship) and took hostages, they were violating American law even though the crimes took place in open, international waters. Also various maritime laws were being violated as well. If the Somali pirates were captured, it would be entirely acceptable and proper for them to be tried in an American court and if convicted, sent to an American prison. The same is applicable in regards to the eco-terrorists featured on the Discovery channel. If, for whatever reason, they were detained onboard a Japanese vessel, it would be proper and acceptable for them to be tried, and possibly convicted, in a Japanese judicial system.

 

Furthermore, if the eco-terrorists did manage to sink one of those Japanese vessels, they (including the Discovery channel and the production company being used) should be held accountable especially if any injuries and/or loss of life occurred. They would be considered international criminals and could be arrested in any port of call they entered, extradited and tried for crimes in international waters. Not only would jail time be a strong possibility, but civil damages would also be likely. Not to mention confiscation/forfeiture of the ship and all equipment onboard including the television production equipment. It might end up becoming a legal nightmare for a lot of people and companies not to mention a public relations nightmare.

undocumented polar bears

it would be great if they all got got eaten by a pack of undocumented polar bears.

hhmmmmm could that be the reason that the progressive environmentalists believe that there are only 5000 endangered polar bears, they must not be counting the 20,000 undocumented polar bears with hispanic accents, they must be only counting the polar bears that are holding down real jobs and don't stand out in front of home depot, pay their car insurance, don't drive low riders with spinny 24" rims, pay their taxes, and drink real beer not that budweiser mixed with clamato or with the limon in it. what the hell is that limon anyway? sounds french so i never tried it. either way i say this makes environmentalists racists for ignoring the 20,000 undocumented polar bears. stop discrimination, count all the polar bears. 

you know why there are so many undocumented polar bears, they have like 5 or 6 babies to one or two of a regular polar bear.

lunaticcringeradio

You sir are evil packed into a concentrated maleficness.

    ...and coated with a crunchy layer of cruel. Followed by a hearty swig of cacodemonic flavored with.... you guessed it, limon!

A limon is the mixed urine of a lion & a monkey.

i have never in my life

received such a wonderful compliment. truely thank you. no puns, thank you.

lunaticcringeradio

Our Sea Shepherd

I give Japan permission to blow these people out of the water. Then they would not harrass the Japanese or the Russians and won't embarrass us again. As a matter of fact, I give the US Navy permission to blow them out of the water.

So.....

if the rest of us can do without cars then they can do without their big diesel-guzzling ship

Oh come, all ye hypocrites

It's amazing!  I watched this show, once, and the "heroes" all were complaining that the Japanese were using what they describe as a "weapon of war," sound generators (rather LOUD sound generators, known as sonic deterrence) to stop the "heroes" from crashing into the ships,  since those generators are also "used on battlefields" and they complained about how "dangerous" this was but now those same heroes are trying to BLIND the Japanese by using lasers on them? 

How is the use of lasers, which can also be considered as a "weapon of war" since laser "photonic disruptors" are also used on the battlefield, any different for the 'weapons of war" the Japanese were using against the "heroes"'  There is no difference, except for the use of sonic deterrence can cause temporary deafness when lasers can, and have, cause PERMANENT blindness.  I guess being hypocritical (and trying to BLIND people) is acceptable, and even heroic, as long as your doing this to the "enemy's of the "save the whales" idiots.

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Have any of you seen this

Have any of you seen this ridiculous show? The Captain and crew of the Sea Shepard are complete incompetents. I'm amazed they survived their first mission, but they are already on borrowed time in my opinion. The Captain cares more about the whales than his own crew. The first mate is a little snot nosed incompetent, and it is obvious Capt. Watson has zero respect for him. When I watch this show, I root for the Japanese whalers and explain to my kids how absolutely stupid the commies on the Sea Shepard really are. Some of you libs would call that child abuse, I call it shaping the future minds of America for continued success.

It is far better to be three hours early than one minute late.

no heros

This is an annoying battle for me, there doesn't appear to be any "heroes" or even near "heroes" to be found. With all the comments above I decided to look International Law concerning whaling. Wanted to see what information is available. It looks ugly.

What it comes down to is there is no law on the open seas except what military ships in an area make it. If any military ship was to enforce International Law they should probably sink the whalers and the pirates.

And what military wishes to enforce International Law. It's like giving up your country's sovereignty. Who needs that? What navy would wish to be involved with either side?

This battle in the Antarctic Sea is loser vs loser.

 

He has already failed... his country.

There are several posts in this thread alone...

 ...that show that the Japanese whalers' actions are totally lawful.

Disagree with the law if you will, but don't deny its existence.

The incompetent environuts, however, have absolutely no authority whatsoever.

If I were the captain of that whaling ship, I'd sink every damn one of them that came within harpoon range (the real harpoon, not the missile).

After all, how do the whalers know if the environwackos' ship isn't loaded with explosives on a suicide mission?

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links

According to links from JWF above you seem to be correct. The IWC has issued exceptions for "scientific research" but the the ship doesn't look like it is doing any "research". It looks like a commercial fishing operation. So the IWC writes...

In 1986, in response to the realization that the existing regulation scheme was not preserving the whale population, the IWC issued a moratorium on commercial whaling, following what it deemed decades of “over-exploitation which had driven several whale species to the edge of extinction.”44 Subsequently, the IWC issued numerous resolutions criticizing the Japanese scientific whaling program and [*PG329]pleaded with Japan to stop the practice.45 The IWC contends that less harmful methods of obtaining the scientific research are possible and should be studied before Japan continues its whaling.46 Nonetheless, Japan ignored these requests and continued its whaling program.47 SOURCE in original post.

So that's what the IWC thinks of Japan's actions. But you're right it is "legal". As I said above I'm not real interested in "international" law though. I'm more interested in the U.S. position because we are a sovereign nation. We should act in our own interests.

Reading further down it appears that the U.S. discusses trade sanctions against Japan. Our interests seem to be against the Japanese fishing in this case. We also know that pirates, or ecco-terrorists, are not welcome on the seas either. So I'm sticking with my original opinion, don't spare the torpedoes.

 

He has already failed... his country.

It is not about looks sir.

the the ship doesn't look like it is doing any "research"

  What does research on the high seas look like? You want to research what wild bunnies eat? Analyze their poo. Want to reasearch what whales eat? Analyze their poo. How do you gather whale poo? Tough one there. You will have to capture the whales themselves and analyze the stomach contents.

  Yes. It is cold and heartless. But guess what. This is what you tell people when they want you to stop eating food you enjoy.

strictly commercial

I'm not buying that, pardon the pun.  Just like you're not buying the BS from the ecco-terrorists, and it is BS, there's no way I'm swallowing the BS from the Japanese either. I'm a conservative that believes in conservation.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so. Genesis 1:28-29 NIV

We are supposed to be good stewards of the world God has given us. And, there are literally other fish in the sea. Good stewardship means responsible management. This concept is expressed in U.S. National Parks, hunting seasons, fishing quotas, etc. We need to provide for our people while ensuring sustainable growth of resources.

Now we can certainly argue about what "responsible management" means but it must have some balance between species population and human needs. Two excessive examples come to mind.

1. The current topic whales: If the population of certain whale species is down we should leave them alone for some period of time. There are trillions of other things to fish.

2. Farmers in CA and the Delta Smelt: Water has been cut off completely to food producers. It is bizarre how "environmentalists" say this is good for the environment when humans are part of that environment.

I don't see balance in either of these positions.

 

He has already failed... his country.

Yes. The rest of the world has stopped eating whale.

  There were only 3 countries allowed to hunt whale. 3 countries that have traditionally relied on the hunting of whale. I believe 2 of  those 3 rarely hunt whale at all now.

   Since we have all backed off, whales have returned to sustainable levels. They are not killing off every last whale. Whales are being responsibly managed due to the treaty.

  So the only argument to make them stop is emotional. Purely emotional.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Question their motives as you wish.

The Japanese have the law on their side.

But that's not the issue here.

The issue is these criminal eco-terrorists who place vessels and people in danger because they have made themselves judge, jury and executioner.

Even if only one or two of those econuts goes overboard, rescue personnel will have to risk their lives to save their stupid @ss.

They have no legal or moral authority to engage in vigilantism on the high seas regardless of the legality of the situation.

And they shouldn't be rewarded with publicity.

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I am not watching the show.

  I do believe Uncle Jer loves it.

Whale Wars [plus an important program note]

Uncle Jer isn't rooting for either side [but does admit to a degree of sympathy for the whales], and also finds the series very entertaining.

Now...a note for the Vet and all others who may be WWII/military history buffs:  The crown jewel of WWII documentaries--perhaps documentaries of any genre--"The World At War" will begin airing on the Military Channel, Friday, January 8 at 10 p.m. ET.  Narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier, it is absolutely outstanding.  Don't miss it if you have access to the Military Channel. 

Jer

whale numbers increasing

There's an argument reasonable people can except. If, as you say, the whale numbers are increasing then they should lift or decrease the restrictions on hunting.  This is a typical problem with endangered species. Sometimes it's easy to get a species listed then almost impossible to unlist them.

And, I've seen the emotional argument used in the way you are describing. Certain areas had needless hunting restrictions put on deer until the population was over-running the suburbs. After people had their bushes and hedges eaten up the madness finally ended with some emergency hunts and the hunting restrictions were lifted.

 

He has already failed... his country.

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