CNN Finds 'Lifelong Republicans' Who Want Universal Health Care, Voting Dem


On CNN Sunday, correspondent Al Velshi reported in by phone from Texas with his story of "lifelong Republicans" who are planning to vote Democratic this time because of health care. Velshi: "They are retired, they've been lifelong Republicans who are actually looking to change over. They're probably going to vote Democrat this time around." (Transcript follows)

CNN then played a video clip of Velshi's earlier discussion with three Texas residents, whom he had visited initially because they live in oil country and benefit from high oil prices, but he found that "their biggest concern was health care." Small business owner Kris Portmann complained about insurance companies and expressed his belief that universal health care would have to be an improvement: "As soon as you have something, there's a policy, there's a reason on why it doesn't cover it. And that's why, never before maybe have thought of universal health care, but if everybody's covered, and everybody's sharing the same, you know, how everything's spread out, it's got to work. I mean, it works other places. It works other countries. I mean, not maybe 100 percent, but it doesn't work 100 percent here, either."

Below is a complete transcript of the report from the March 2 CNN Sunday at 9:03 a.m.:

T.J. HOLMES: So, of course, there's been a lot of the candidates saying stuff to the voters. Well, what are the voters really wanting to say to the candidates? Of course, as we mentioned, we got our best political team on television all over the map, and one guy who has been all over the map literally, our Ali Velshi. He's been traveling throughout the country, and, lately, in Texas, aboard CNN Election Express. He joins us now on the phone this morning from Green, Texas. What are they talking about down there, Ali?

ALI VELSHI, by phone: Good morning, T.J. You know, the funny thing is, I went to this area in central Texas because I wanted to talk to people about oil. These are the people who might be on the other side of the oil question -- in other words, making money off of the high price of oil and gas. And I actually ran into two couples -- they are retired, they've been lifelong Republicans who are actually looking to change over. They're probably going to vote Democrat this time around. And they actually had some involvement in oil. They have a piece of land on which there are oil wells. So they get those royalty checks. Here's the thing: Their biggest concern was health care. Here's what they told me:

MOLLY ENGLISH, Retiree: That's all we talk about because we're all having trouble getting health care coverage, or our coverage is a, you know, it's pitiful.

PEGGY PORTMANN, Small business owner: It's not affordable, but not only is it not affordable. There is affordable out there, and we get turned down for the most ridiculous reasons.

KRIS PORTMANN, Small business owner: No, the insurance covers everything that you don't have.

PEGGY PORTMANN: That's right.

KRIS PORTMANN: Okay, as soon as you have something, there's a policy, there's a reason on why it doesn't cover it. And that's why, never before maybe have thought of universal health care, but if everybody's covered, and everybody's sharing the same, you know, how everything's spread out, it's got to work. I mean, it works other places. It works other countries. I mean, not maybe 100 percent, but it doesn't work 100 percent here, either.

VELSHI, back live by phone: That's kind of interesting hearing lifelong conservatives and Republicans talk about the possibility of universal health care, but that issue is playing very big here in Texas, particularly amongst Democrats. Health care is the second biggest issue around here. So number one is the economy, and, amongst that, inflation and oil prices and gas prices, but we are hearing and have heard a lot this past week about health care. We're wheels up on the bus, and we're headed to some place else where we're going to talk to Texans about what's concerning them about this election and the issues, so we'll be back with you later on today to tell you a bit more about that.


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morons

I have a bridge I can sell

I have a bridge I can sell them.

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

Like, it's free!

Yeah but, like, it's free, so why not love it?

The label says 'wash with like clothes,' but, like, it doesn't say what clothes? - - - young female democrat (both statements)

Mica the Magnificent,

Mica the Magnificent, please tell me those statements about the laundry aren't actually true. If they are true (and I suspect you are right), then I fear for our future more than ever!

Is this what will put me in a crooked nursing home? Is this what will escort me to the Soylent Green factory? At this point, I'm just waiting to hand over the reins to Dr. Zaeus.

CJK51 - Don't turn yourself into food yet!

Hold the trip to the Soylent Green factory - I should have credited Reader's Digest for the 'like' joke.

Curious

In just what coutry is government health really working????

 

VOTE REPUBLICAN

Ok, I'm going to go out on

Ok, I'm going to go out on limb here and say Canada.

Of course it depends on who you talk to. For me, it has worked out pretty well. I acknowledge that some have experienced 'wait times' for non-life threatening conditions. Some had the means (money) where they would have been better served in the US, but some did not..but everyone was helped.

  Yes, but we have the

  Yes, but we have the population of ten Canada's. 

Ok, but you also have more

Ok, but you also have more than ten times the economy of Canada..also ten times more doctors?

    I would bet we have

    I would bet we have more than ten times the number of doctors.   Government run healthcare lowers the number of doctors and the quality of care to stay within its budget.

MidAmerica, I think you

MidAmerica,

I think you miss my original point. The quality of health care for most may be better in the US than Canada..but not necessarily for all. My personal experience has led me to believe all is better.

If you really want to get into it, if not for the Canadian health care system I would be broke right now.

  If I didn't have private

  If I didn't have private health insurance I would be quite poor also. 

  My main point about the relative sizes of our economies and population is that when you involve government economy of scale does not always work.  The problems you may have with your system could be problems that we would experience as ten times bigger (or more).

I pay for private health

I pay for private health insurance and the financial burden is enormous.  I have referred to this in a couple of previous posts, so I apologize to those for which this may be repetitive.

Because of my age, the fact that I do not yet qualify for Medicare, and being locked in to my present policy due to a pre-existing condition, my annual premium--entirely borne by me--is just under $12,000.00 per year [also covering my wife and son].  Premiums are raised every year and benefits are lowered.  Prescription coverage has been gradually reduced and is now completely eliminated.  Consequently, meds alone cost me nearly $300.00 per month.  My co-pay has also steadily increased.

You think I'm happy with the current system?   Not hardly.  For a great number, it's excellent.  But, for too many, not so good; and my understanding is that medical related debt is the primary reason for most consumer bankruptsy filings.

The national health programs of other nations are not perfect, and there is a good deal of public disgruntlement.  But the polls I've seen indicate those systems are still preferred over the American model by inhabitants of those nations--as well as by citizens of this country.

Jer

The solution is less government, not more.

It's absolutely ridiculous that people want their friends and neighbors to pay for their own healthcare.  What kind of mindset do people have that they are not responsible for their own healthcare?  Also, what makes you think we can afford it?  Our current entitlements are already bankrupting our country, and now you want to add everyone to the government welfare rolls?  That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Socialized healthcare has long been a goal of liberals because it makes everyone dependent on the government.  Whoever pays for the service, has total control.  Do you think you have any freedom in such a system?  Do you like the idea of government bureaucrats telling you where you will go and what doctor you see, or even if they will allow you to have certain procedures?  Do you think doctor's are going to allow government to dictate their salaries?

 I don't want to be paying for Bill Gates and Warren Buffet's healthcare personally.

 

"women and minorities hardest hit"

I take it we can put you

I take it we can put you down as favoring a repeal of Medicare and Veterans health benefits. 

By the way, there are health industry bureaucrats who are already specifying what doctors you can see and which procedures you are allowed to have.

Jer

"I take it we can put you

"I take it we can put you down as favoring a repeal of Medicare and Veterans health benefits."

These shining paragons of government competence and efficiency? Perish the thought.

"...there are health industry bureaucrats who are already specifying..."

And if they get too intrusive, one has the option of going with a different insurance provider.

 I think that argument is a

 I think that argument is a bit of a red herring,

 

Well as far as our veterans are concerned we owe them a debt that we can never repay. They deserve the best health care, the best retirement, the best housing etc. these are the people that put their very lives on the line for our protection, what we owe these people can never be repaid.

As far as Medicare I am not sure what debt we owe people because they are old, that is a job that use to be left to the families. 

It sounds harsh but nothing in our constitution states when you get old, the job of government is to take care of you.

Its not the job of the government to put gas in your car, or to make sure you have a car, or a house, or a collage education, or car insurance, or to wave the dept that you owe on your house that is getting ready to be foreclosed on.

As far as some health industry specifying what doctors you see, there is a difference, you are fee to not use it if you don’t like it. On top of that your argument is: well you are loosing some freedoms so why not the rest? That doesn’t sound like a great argument to me.

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

On top of that your

On top of that your argument is:  well you are loosing [sic] some freedoms so why not the rest?  That doesn't sound like a great argument to me.

Me either.  Who was making that argument?

Look...I apologize if it seems I'm whining.  And please note that I haven't "cost" any other person one red cent.  But after paying nearly $40,0000.00 out of my pocket over the past couple of years in medical expenses, I understand the devastating financial burdens imposed on many families, and believe that alternatives need to be explored.  That's all. 

Jer 

I don’t think the answer

I don’t think the answer is “who” pays, more then how do we get the price down.

Competition, tort reform, maybe have some type of system where new doctors can cut their rates to attract new customers to build a practice, and maybe they can get protected from law suits.

Maybe, just maybe we can come up with doctors that are like double A baseball players, not ready for prime time (maybe they are still in school) but they can make money while training. You can use these people if you pay a much reduced rate.

I don’t know, but if there was a will, it would happen.

 

We are the country that built the atom bomb (sixty some years ago) put man on the moon, surely we can make the cost of health care go down. Having some major surgery should not ruin the rest of your life.

We have a lot of people that do not belong in this county, pulling resources away from everyone else.

The real problem is: people in government only thinks the government can fix it. When it’s the open market that fixes things, for example the prime loan problem. Let the prices fall, (and I have a house for sale that I am going to lose money on but that is the way it goes) let the foreclosures go forward and let the market make the adjustments on its own with out the help of big government.

Government is THE most inefficient way of doing things that you can come up with. So is that the way to go or is there a better way.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

When I was younger some 25

When I was younger some 25 years ago, my doctor offered to let his nurse practitioner treat people for a smaller rate. I jumped at the chance, well, the fact that she was hot, did not hurt the decision at all..

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

USA4freedom... Competition

USA4freedom...

Competition, tort reform...lawsuit protection.

Exactly...and these are suggestions I started to mention in my last post which deserve serious consideration.

Jer 

Jer - Do you get any kind

Jer - Do you get any kind of tax breaks for that $40,000? I'm not trying to be sly, but I think the bottom line plays a large role in this discussion.

I saw an article that said the average taxpayer in Canada pays 48% in income taxes. That's some expensive "free" health care. If given the choice, I would still rather have my premium double than my tax bracket.

And as a general question to all NBers, do the self-employed get to deduct 60% of annual premiums for health insurance (or 100% if the spouse is on payroll)?

Excellent question, mulerider

Excellent question, mulerider...and one I intend to discuss with my accountant in the near future.  There were no deductions taken on last year's return, but I want to revisit the issue of eligibility with him. 

Thanks for the reminder.

Jer

I'm curious how your

I'm curious how your situation nets out. By no means am I going to say our current system is the model of efficiency. But much like democracy when compared to socialism and communism, it may ultimately end up the best choice out of many flawed options.

I fully admit that my health care situation pales in comparison to yours since I work for one of those big Fortune 500 companies that pays 90% of all my costs. It just seems like we need to focus our efforts on providing better tax breaks and/or incentivizing the corporate world before we jump into a univeralized health care albatross. Our politicians refuse to discuss Social Security reform; they pass new bills (prescription drug bill in 2003) that we can't even afford; and yet somehow we will miraculously pay for health care. I just don't buy it.

mulerider...several years

mulerider...several years ago when my family was covered by a "cadillac" quality  PPO health plan--defraying 100% of medical expenses, any prescription drug was five bucks, etc.--I obviously had a considerably more favorable view regarding the state of our health care system.

A succession of events over the course of time resulted in different--and vastly reduced--coverage, and a dramatically altered perspective.

I think changes are imperative, but nothing should be taken off the table--including tort reform, punitive damage caps, and other proposals which have been traditionally non-starters with most Democrats. 

Jer 

Jer, it's obvious a person

Jer, it's obvious a person like me has no business moaning and groaning about the injustices of health care. People (not saying you) seem to inject morality and fairness into the discussion when, in actuality, this is an issue based upon efficiency and distribution. If our primary goal is to get tax paying citizens like you the best allowable health care, what system will do so most efficiently and without simultaneously creating a brand new list of externalities? That needs to be our primary focus. I have already raised my doubts about government's inefficienct tendencies, but I have no problem keeping an open mind toward any plan that takes the two previously mentioned characteristics into account.

What really

ticks me off is the fact that our family is working hard 24/7 (with both a good diet and sufficient exercise) to maintain good health - so far, so good!!!  And, yet, we would be expected to pay outrageous taxes to support those who sit on their duffs with no concern for their own wellbeing other than to run to the "free" doctor for more pills or whatever. 

If healthcare for all were to go through, what incentives would there be for anyone to even try to get themselves in a more healthy state?  The waiting rooms will be overflowing with people who are neglecting themselves.

I guess this all boils down to personal responsibility - once again!

Oh really?

"I guess this all boils down to personal responsibility - once again! "

Oh really, Well my story begins with a jacka$$ who was driving and talking on a cellphone at the same time (the subject of another thread)..he slammed into me, how was that my personal responsibility? Oh I know, I shouldn't have been on the road the same time as "Mr. Freedom to do as I please"

Jer... Sounds like you

Jer...

Sounds like you may live in Massachusetts. It sounds like the very same problems that people are having with the great<sarc> program that Romney put into place.  

"Abstain from McCain"

The quality of health care

The quality of health care for most may be better in the US than
Canada..but not necessarily for all. My personal experience has led me
to believe all is better.

Are you saying that having health care for all is better, even if it's substandard?

It may have worked out OK for you, but it didn't for this guy. Luckily he was able to come to the US.

PS there isn't a lack of health care in the US, in spite of missing health insurance.

Mandrake, I think you are

Mandrake, I think you are missing the point.

Health care is NOT a right. Just like housing, or some one paying for your electric bill, or the newest fashion for your little girl.

When does it stop? Free collage? Every one should have a car, (hey you have to get to work right),

It is not the job of government to “take care of your health”

This great country was founded and made into the country it via being self reliant.

To top it off its NOT FREE. Let me repeat that, ITS NOT FREE. Only when you get doctors to work for free, the hospitals don’t charge, the pharmaceutical give out free drugs, the people that work for those hospitals, or drug companies, or nurses all work for free, the ambulance drivers that drive for free, the free gas that goes into those ambulance, the free instruments that go into the operating room, etc. etc. etc...

Some how because the government takes your money rather then you having a choice does not make it free.

This will be the same government that can’t seem to build a fence, or the same government that runs the job in New Orleans, or the same government that gives you the $500 hammer or the $300 toilet seat.

Not to mention the $398 million dollar bridge to nowhere.

Then some how magically a politician becomes an expert in the health field.  Amazing.

It is NOT FREE, It never will be FREE. It will hurt our economy, it will take away freedom of choice, health care will go down.

Once in place, it will never go away, ever! Just get bigger and bigger, a growing burden for our children, as the politicians buy our votes with our own (and children’s) money.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

Wow USA4freedom, you thru a

Wow USA4freedom, you thru a lot stuff in there!

No, health care is not RIGHT. But why not as a society, arrange it as something we can do because it's a good thing!

When I was young and able, I paid a boat load of taxes and got nothing in return. Now I am old and feeble..is it too much to expect a little health care in return?

Yes, I suppose that if the goverment had not taken away all that tax from me then I would be rich enough now to pay the doctors .but what of everyone else?

I think the answer is not

I think the answer is not who pays but how do we as a nation lower the cost of health care.

How much was lasik eye surgery  a while ago, now with competition  how much has the price been cut.

Flat screen TV? Computers?

How is the lack of competition working for our school systems?

 

There is no reason for any competition in the health business. Everyone just hands them their card, what ever the cost is just passed on to the company. No one seems to notice, or cares. But those cost keep getting passed along to larger premiums.

I ran a bar, every time I would use my insurance my rates would go up. Someone is going to pay.

A short story, man was drinking in my bar at 1 PM, after he left my place after 4 or 5 beers, he had something to eat, went to a bar with a 3 hour all you can drink special, then did cocain, got into an accident, someone was killed. I ended up being sued, my insurance company settled for $150,000, the bar that had the 3 hour all you can drink special was hit for $10,000. Why??  Because he did NOT have insurance, and I did..

My thanks for doing the right thing: my rates went from $800 a month to $1500.

 

The only proven thing that makes products better or cheaper is competition. With national health care, there is no competition.

The big reason no one wants this to happen is because quite often their company pays for it. The problem is that company’s only has but so much for payment in some form or fashion for employment, that payment can be paid for insurance or given straight to the employee. I do understand that there is a cut in cost in purchased in bulk, but I don’t think that can over ride the ability of competition to cut cost.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

 "Are you saying that

 "Are you saying that having health care for all is better, even if it's substandard? "

Not at all. I'm just saying that the US is smarter than Canada and should be able to figure out how to cover 'all' better than us.

BTW..maybe it's just my family doctor, but I got an MIR the day after I was admitted last October.  

Unfortunately it is NOT a

Unfortunately it is NOT a matter of being smarter.  There are plenty of smart people the world over.  This is a common fallicy Liberals all too often subscribe to in order to maintain and enhance their power.  I believe KC Mulville spoke succinctly on this fact in a previous thread.  No one can "solve" the healthcare questions you posit without negotiating the same old solutions:  Taxation, Rationing, and (lowered) Expectations concerning quality and access.  Each country has and must calibrate their healthcare system based on these principles according to what the populace is able to withstand before revolting.

The USA has been a pressure release valve for the inadequacies of the Canadian system.  Canadian citizens will emmigrate for healthcare across the border, typically paying their hard earned (and now more valuable) Canadian dollars for good old and plentifull American medicine.  If the USA were to follow the Canadian system of rationing, where will Canadians and (now) Americans go for their needed care when the System fails them?  Mexico?  Ahh, no!  The inequities of the System will be even more pronounced, with only the more wealthy able to travel further than before and pay greater amounts for their needed care.

A Radiologist once told me, Healthcare can be Good, Fast and Inexpensive but you can only have two at one time.  Which two of the three will you choose?

RRAM Tough! 

Haven't you heard, the Dims say our ecomony has crashed!

Haven't you heard, the Dims say our ecomony has crashed!  So we can not do Universal Healthcare, since the ecomony is crashed!  things are so bad in USA, that, according to the Dim/Libs, we can not buy gas for cars, or heat for homes, or send our children to school, or go on vacation, oh, the list goes on & on!!  We can't add more programs, because the DIMS/Libs say we have no money left in the government either.  So what really is it!!  

also

We probably have fifty times more crooked lawers dude....just sayin'

 

 

I always wanted to get into politics, but I was never light enough to make the team.

delete double

delete double

mandrake

I have tried many times to nicely say that Canada has a good medical system and I have been very happy with it.

Without fail someone will give me a link about a person that is not happy with it. Strange no one has ever sent me one on someone who died, or was broke from it. Sometimes they tell me just to go back to Canada, even though I say I love the USA except for the medical system.

It is obvious that many of the loyal Republicans that want universal health care are hard working Americans that pay their bills and have jobs, but are unable to pay their health care premiums.

I'm not at all saying that anybody on this site does not practice what they preach. Motherbelt for example did not have the funds to pay for assisted living for her husband when he was ill, and she nursed him back to health all by her lonesome and I believe that is an incredible thing to do. I do not know If I would have the patience to change somebody, or help someone to go the bathroom and bath them, no matter how close I am to them.

Mandrake, I doubt very much you will find many people that will agree with you, it is like beating a dead horse.

How inspiring is this man?

Shawn

Thanks for your support!

I really had no expectation of winning the debate..I knew it was hopeless :)  For some reason I just wanted to open the question and tell my side.

Some of the 'longtimers' around here like yourself, balboa, BT, blonde..etc may have noticed I was gone for a while. Well, let's just say I was getting an up close and personal look at Canada's health care system. In general, I have concluded it's not as bad as some of the videos this site keep broadcasting.  

Hey, Mandrake

Glad to hear all is well w/you.

We all appreciate your reasoned input to this conversation, although you'll probably never change our minds.

Welcome back. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hey Blonde, Good to be

Hey Blonde,

Good to be back. Hope to become a thorn in your side once again soon. But alias tomorrow I must run off to physio...see ya later ;-)

Night

Glad to have you back. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I noticed, Mandrake! Good to

I noticed, Mandrake! Good to have you back. Hope all is well. 

I am not trying to be a hard

I am not trying to be a hard ass,

I just believe that there has to be a better system then the over bloated government.

With no competition, or reason to ever get smaller or more efficient ever. Government agencies never get smaller only bigger. With more waste and more problems then the private sector. With no way to fire people, employees that are encouraged to use all the money in their budgets because if they don’t they might not get the same amount the next year.

 

We pay for this system one way or the other. There is no free lunch, people don’t work for nothing, buildings, equipment, supplies, capital improvements, where do all these things come from? There is no Medical tooth fairy. It will cost, some one some how, So how do we get the most bang for our dollar?

The only proven way that I know of is competition. Look at eye surgery, competition. I know, my daughter works for an eye specialist, he had to drop prices to stay in the game.

More government is almost never the answer.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

Precisely, USA

LASIK surgery (previously known as laser keratotomy, I believe), is a non-covered item with most insurance policies.

However, it is more popular than a boob job.

The price here, in South Florida, is about $1,900 per eye.  In Nashville, about $900. 

Now, since we're talking about our eyes, I'm not so sure I'd travel to Nashville to have this surgery, if I were so inclined (I'm thinking about it, tho). 

How long do you think it will take the South Florida doc's to figure out they're losing business (cash on the barrel-head biz, too) to their peers?  And lower their prices?

The best, and only hope, for our health care system, is competition.  As an owner of a health care policy, if I manage my care, and "shop" for the best care at the best rates....who wins?  I do, and the best provider, as well.

Socialized health care benefits no one but the government bureaucrats who are leeches anyway....let them go leech in a fitting job, like managing sewer systems or somesuch.  I want nothing to do with goverment lifers managing my health care.  Nothing, nada, zip, zilch.  And that includes Hillary and B. Hussein.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Spot on, I wish we would see

Spot on, I wish we would see some of that in the election, problem is, every one has to out bid the other, and buy our votes. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

Shawn, I thank you for your

Shawn, I thank you for your concern with my story, but I fear you misunderstood a little.

I brought my husband home because the rehab doctor said he didn't need to be where he was; he should be at home. However, before this, the nursing home administrators were telling me that I wouldn't be able to care for him on my own. They wanted me to leave him there (I think $6000 a month had a lot to do with that). Had the doctor said he needed to be there I would have found a way.

He has made progress at home that I don't think he would have made in that facility, because they wouldn't bother....it would be easier to just let him ride around in a wheel chair all day. I don't want to take credit for doing more than I do....without going into details...he really only needs supervision. Which was my whole point....in my opinion they greatly exaggerated his condition and the amount of care he would need, in order to convince me to keep him there!

I didn't intend to make it sound like a great sacrifice....if I did I apologize. I'm not heroic, by any means.

motherbelt

There is no need to apologize, what you did was truly inspiring. Many Americans do not realize no matter how good you medical coverages are, they will stop paying the bills if someone in the hospital is not getting any better.

The only way to prevent this is to get long term care insurance and those premiums are about 800 bucks a month for someone over 50.

I am going to have to deal with this soon, my mother in law has alzheimers disease and she is still competent, but she seems to have forgotten how to cook or tell time. It is only a matter of time before she cannot bathe herself or go to the bathroom on her own.

That is why I think what you did was amazing. I mean feeding, bathing and helping your spouse go to the bathroom cannot be an easty thing to do. Everyone can talk the talk.


MB

Your my hero!I glad to hear he is progressing.Best wishes.

g. health care

for starters:

"..preventable deaths in 19 industrialized countries, researchers found
that the United States placed last. While the other nations improved
dramatically between the two study periods—1997–98 and 2002–03—the U.S.
improved only slightly on the measure."

http://www.commonwea...

"An estimated 2 million babies die within
their first 24 hours each year worldwide and the United States has the
second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according
to a new report."

http://www.cnn.com/2...

"France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in
new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions
in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said.." http://www.reuters.c...

"Using five
performance indicators to measure health systems in 191 member
states, it finds that France provides the best overall health care
followed among major countries by Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria and
Japan." http://www.photius.c...

 

 

 

 

 

France tax rate: 48% + 19.6

France tax rate: 48% + 19.6 VAT/(Sales tax)

Italy tax rate: 45% + 20 VAT/(Sales tax)

Spain tax rate:56% + 16 VAT/(sales tax)

Quite a price for.. > “free”< health care.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

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Missing the points

Missing the points:

 

a) Universal

b) Better quality

c) More supportive of basic human rights

Compare pre and post-natal care, early childhood and elderly care, preventative care.

 

And I'd bet your tax percentages are the top income levels, not an average. Probably don't include credits or deductions either. Nor is there any discussion of the way our tax system handles tax credits for health care out of pocket expenses.

 

Japan - I didn't die from it but...

I lived and worked in Japan for most of my 20s, 1985 ~ 1993. I didn't have any life-threatening illness while there, but I did need a couple of dental fillings from two different dentists. Both fell out in the mid-90s and had to be replaced (in US), while I still have all US-installed ones from my childhood. I was pretty skeptical about the socialized care I got there, including having to go back to the dentist 4 ~ 6 times to complete a teeth cleaning, each time spending 5 minutes in the chair and paying 500 yen per visit. It seemed they were just dragging it out to maximize the number of visits, since each had a minimum and maximum fee which were equal. Maintaining maximum patient through-put and return visits seemed to be the business model, since each time the patient pays the fee and the medical/dental facility also gets the corresponding government compensation per visit.

 The quality of hostpital facilities, equipment, etc also appeared notably below what was standard in the US at the time, even though I lived in metropolitan Tokyo. When my first child was born there, my mother, a US RN and child-birth educator was amazed by the backwardness of the facilities and practice.

If Japanese are statistically less likely to die from preventable medical conditions, I strongly suspect it's more likely attributable to diet and lifestyle than quality of medical care.

 Of course this is all just anectodal, but I got a lot more, including from China where I live now.

BBRRRRRPT! BRRRRRPT!

BBRRRRRPT! BRRRRRPT! BRRRRRRPT!!!

Now where do I sign up for

Now where do I sign up for some of that "free" health care. From the same people that cant build a fence..

this is such a great opening, but watch we will come up with "free" health care..(lite).. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

USA

"Now where do I sign up for some of that "free" health care. From the same people that cant build a fence.."

Isnt that the truth.They cant build a simple fence yet they want to handle all that would come with Socialized Medical Care.

this just kills me, read my

this just kills me, read my post above. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

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Yup USA

If the goverment runs heath care we will be in a world hurt.They should be looking at solutions to lower heath care cost.Tort reform and such.How much is the cost from illegals using our system for free?There are so many things that could be changed to to make it more affordable without socialized medicine.President Bush a few years ago had some good ideas but the Dems wanted no part of it.

I agree, tort reform would

I agree, tort reform would go a long way to help. but too much money from then to the Dems.

It cost us all. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

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Kris Portmann

Kris Portmann is a Republican who is into:

GiftGivers - natural fiber jute wine bags/single, 2,3,6 bottle offerings in various fabric colors or combos. Designs with logos as well.

Product Line:

Natural fiber jute wine bags/ single, 2,3,and 6 bottle offerings in various fabric colors and combos. Designs with logos as well.

accroding to the website

http://www.vintners.com/Pages/Equipment/theconnectiongroup.html

 

I would like to hear once,

I would like to hear once, just once, how to cut the cost of the doctors, & healthcare rather then: “Who” pays for it!!

Funny I bet you find that it’s a right to have health care right next to, the right to have an abortion.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

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After drinking that I can

After drinking that I can see why you might want health care.. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

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Strangely they can't find

Strangely they can't find llife-long Democrats who think socialized medicine is a crock?

Hillarycare

Heallarycare for everyone... but no warm cookies until the men in the kitchen are finished baking all of them.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Here we are in West Texas

Here we are in West Texas talking to some people that love to see the price of oil through the roof because they are Repub...what?? ughhh.. they are not in the oil business? Ughhh.. well.. how do you guys feel about “free” health care that the Democrats are “giving” away. Would you like that?? Well what if Obama tosses in a large batch of gum drops and a flying unicorn for the kids, and a personal leprechaun, all for the same price, nothing! How about that? Now just talk into the mike..

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

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LOL. Stangley enough, they

LOL. Stangley enough, they never seem to want to look.

Wait til they see how well

Wait til they see how well it works for those approaching old age like they are.

And where are these people finding all these crappy insurance companies to buy from, Mexico? Flyers on telephone poles?

 

"Pig and elephant DNA just won't splice"

I demand free gas!! Its

I demand free gas!! Its every Americans right to: FREE GAS!!!

A nice house would be nice. 

 

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