Appearing from Baghdad on Tuesday's Situation Room to discuss the new National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), CNN correspondent Michael Ware strayed from reporting into opinion-making as he rued “the smoke and mirrors from the administration” trying to make Iraq about al Qaeda to invoke a “Pavlovian response from the American public.” He also mocked General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for lacking the knowledge to see a “sea change” in better security.
In the segment aired near the top of the 5pm EDT hour, and re-run during the 7pm EDT hour of The Situation Room, anchor Wolf Blitzer relayed how the NIE “suggests that al Qaeda is seeking to leverage al Qaeda in Iraq for attacks against U.S. targets outside of the Iraq.” In a lengthy response, Ware cautioned: “We must be aware of the spin -- the smoke and mirrors from the administration, trying to reshape the message on Iraq being specifically about al Qaeda, America's lingering, most familiar fear, trying to invoke some Pavlovian response from the American public, to fear them into again supporting the war.” As for Pace, Ware was dismissive: “I think the General, unfortunately, is suffering from the luxury of distance. And I think he's expecting far too much to be able to peer through the U.S. bubble of protection in which he operates in his brief fleeting visit to Iraq.”
Back in April, Ware had undermined a liberal talking point as he painted al Qaeda in Iraq as a real threat. An April 26 NewsBusters posting by Rich Noyes, “CNN's Ware: Pullout Debate 'Delusional,' Would Hand Iraq to Qaeda,” recounted:
Left-wing blogs loved it when CNN's Michael Ware rebuked Senator John McCain a few weeks ago, after McCain suggested he could safely walk through areas of Baghdad. But on Thursday's American Morning on CNN, Ware took dead aim at Democratic schemes for pulling out of Iraq, saying that debating a U.S. troop withdrawal was "delusional" and such a step would amount to "giving Iraq to Iran...and al Qaeda. That's who would own it."
Ware also provided an interesting insight into how the battle in Iraq has shifted from Anbar province and Baghdad, areas where the U.S. has built up troop levels, to Diyala province, which he described as "the new frontline against al Qaeda." Apparently Ware has no doubt that al Qaeda has made Iraq a central front in their battle against the U.S., and that the U.S. pulling out would hand al Qaeda a huge victory.....
Ware: “If U.S. troops leave now, you're giving Iraq to Iran, a member of President Bush's 'Axis of Evil,' and al Qaeda. That's who will own it. And so, coming back now, I'm struck by the nature of the debate on Capitol Hill, how delusional it is. Whether you're for this war, or against it; whether you've supported the way it's been executed, or not; it doesn't matter. You've broke it, you've got to fix it now. You can't leave, or it's going to come and blow back on America.”
The April 27 MRC CyberAlert version of the above NB item includes a video clip.
A transcript from about 5:04 EDT during the July 17 edition of The Situation Room on CNN, corrected against the video of what aired, a segment re-run during the 7pm EDT hour:
WOLF BLITZER: So is the terror report telling Iraqis anything they don't know already? Who better to ask that than our man on the ground in Baghdad. And joining us now our correspondent in Baghdad, Michael Ware. Michael, among other things, this National Intelligence Estimate report suggests that al Qaeda is seeking to leverage al Qaeda in Iraq for attacks against U.S. targets outside of the Iraq. Now, you've actually reported on this extensively. You've met with al Qaeda operatives inside of Iraq. Is that your assessment as well?
MICHAEL WARE, IN IRAQ: Well, let me say this first, Wolf. I mean that statement in the NIE is about three years too late. The fact that al Qaeda has reorganized itself through the war in Iraq that America handed it on a silver platter in its own backyard, that the war here through al Qaeda in Iraq has energized the Jihadi community across the globe, that it has produced a whole new generation of Jihadis -- bolder, more brazen and more brutal and more committed, if that's at all possible, than the generation before it, is old news. We saw that happen back in 2004. Since then, we've seen it nothing but flourish.
The question now is will an attack directly launched from al Qaeda in Iraq against U.S. homeland? Now many of us were saying back in 2004/2005 if, heaven forbid, there's another 9/11 in America, then of the next 19 hijackers, I'll almost guarantee one of them will be Iraqi. And at least part of the plot will have been hatched here in Iraq.
That being said, while we're seeing the Iraq veterans -- these guy who come into a six month tour or a 12 month tour in Iraq, blood themselves against American forces and go home, they're creating a whole new momentum back in their homelands, be it here in the Middle East, be it in the Gulf, North Africa or be it back in Europe. That being said, also, the true danger of the al Qaeda in Iraq is the template or the model it offers. We've seen these bombings in the U.K. Now, these guys never came to Iraq. But as they said themselves, they were inspired by the war here.
Now in the midst of all of this, despite this material, this evidence, we must be aware of the spin -- the smoke and mirrors from the administration, trying to reshape the message on Iraq being specifically about al Qaeda, America's lingering, most familiar fear, trying to invoke some Pavlovian response from the American public, to fear them into again supporting the war. That doesn't quite hold water. Wolf.
BLITZER: The outgoing Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Peter Pace, is there right now. He says in the past 24 hours or so he's been there, he's seen -- in his words -- a sea change, a sea change in the security situation. A very optimistic assessment. Is that possible? You've been there for four years. You haven't just been there for 24 hours. Do you agree with him that there's been this dramatic sea change of improvement?
WARE: Well, with the greatest of respect to General Peter Pace, I mean, I think the General, unfortunately, is suffering from the luxury of distance. And I think he's expecting far too much to be able to peer through the U.S. bubble of protection in which he operates in his brief fleeting visit to Iraq. I mean his briefings would be in the Green Zone. They would be in formidable American forward operating bases. I know he had a few hours' trip out to Ramadi. Again, he would have been in the embrace of the U.S. military's daunting protection. You're really not getting a feel for the true situation on the ground.
Is he right about a sea change? Yes and no. In al-Anbar Province, where he visited, yes, there's been a sea change. Attacks against U.S. forces by al Qaeda directed or led organizations have dropped from as much as 80 attacks a day to just 77 attacks two days ago.
But why is that? It's because the military put pressure on al Qaeda, sure. The real answer is that America subcontracted out the fight against al Qaeda to the Baathist insurgents and the tribes. So he doesn't really tell us why that sea change occurred. Is there a sea change in Baghdad? Well, if he's seeing one, I'm afraid I'm not. And maybe you can see it from the Green Zone, but you can't see it out here in the red zone where Iraqis live. Wolf.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





BLITZER: The outgoing Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Peter Pace, is there right now. He says in the past 24 hours or so he's been there, he's seen -- in his words -- a sea change, a sea change in the security situation. A very optimistic assessment. Is that possible? You've been there for four years. You haven't just been there for 24 hours. Do you agree with him that there's been this dramatic sea change of improvement?









Comments Policy
Ware
July 17, 2007 - 20:30 ET by regimeofterrorSorry but I'll take the word of our collective intel agencies over an admitted drunk.
Saddam Hussein and terrorism. The rest of the story...
http://www.regimeoft...
Can you even spell irony?
July 17, 2007 - 20:32 ET by dervishI think he's expecting far too much to be able to peer through the U.S. bubble of protection in which he operates in his brief fleeting visit to Iraq
Yeah -- who does he think he is, a journalist?
The Distance of Ware
July 17, 2007 - 20:36 ET by Lame CherryIt is always amazing these little people in the media who owe their entire security, prosperity and where they are today to Republicans who fought and won the wars, prospered the economy and give Mr. Ware a "Green Zone" to rant in how completely ignorant they are.
Ware without an ounce of miltary doctrine or intel information is telling a US General he does not know what is going on like he never speaks with the commanders on the ground, never views CIA, NIA and DOD intel and just happened to be walking down the street when Bush pinned General stars on him.
It isn't the liberal which keeps Americans from watching liberal broadcasts but this kind of ultra stupidity.
The only drooling yapping dog in this Russian comrade maze is Michael Warever he is hiding in from reality.
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commanders on the ground
July 17, 2007 - 23:10 ET by piniellaLame Cherry writes "Ware without an ounce of miltary doctrine or intel information is telling a US General he does not know what is going on like he never speaks with the commanders on the ground..."
Here's what a commander on the ground has to say:
U.S. says more Iraqi troops are needed
An Army commander says the shortage
is forcing the military to rely on community watch groups.
By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, LATimes Staff Writer
July 16, 2007
BAGHDAD — Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of the U.S. Army's 3rd Infantry Division, said the shortage of Iraqi troops was forcing him and other commanders to recruit residents to police their neighborhoods. "We need to add confident, capable Iraqi forces to maintain security," he said. "They are getting better every day. But they are just not enough. There has to be aggressive recruiting to get more Iraqi soldiers and police on the rolls, properly trained and properly equipped."
On Sunday, Lynch, who oversees troops south of Baghdad and in the southern provinces of Babil, Karbala and Najaf, said he needed to increase Iraqi security forces by a third, with seven more Iraqi army battalions and five more Iraqi police units, to secure the area. An Iraqi army battalion can include 500 to more than 700 soldiers.
The Iraqi security forces comprise about 349,000 soldiers and police officers, said Navy Rear Adm. Mark Fox, a military spokesman. At a news conference Sunday in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone, Fox said that in addition to the personnel shortage, the Iraqi forces, particularly police, also faced endemic corruption among their ranks and a "shortfall of loyalty."
listen for what you don't hear anymore
July 17, 2007 - 20:47 ET by Pragmatic-ManListen to what you don't hear anymore. Anybody heard of Anbar, Fallujah, downtown Baghdad lately?
No. Why? Because the surge has been effective there. We are pushing their frontier of operations further and further out. Now, we hear of al Qaeda hitting a village, instead of overtaking a downtown neighborhood. You can always judge the success by what the msm journos do not report.
Just wait until we are getting reports about a suicide bombing a half-mile from the Syrian border, in the middle of the desert, where small animals were injured. And this will empower the left to yell for us to surrender and run away!
coverage
July 17, 2007 - 23:03 ET by piniellaPragmatic-Man writes: "Listen to what you don't hear anymore. Anybody heard of Anbar, Fallujah, downtown Baghdad lately?"
Yes, those are reported on, Here's a little of what I found about Anbar through Lexis-Nexis, searching only "newswires." (There were 314 mentions in the last week alone.)
7.
9,000 US-Iraqi troops launch assault in Anbar, Agence France Presse -- English, July 17, 2007 Tuesday 11:56 AM GMT, , 251 words, BAGHDAD, July 17 2007
9.
Pace: Waves of Change Hit Parts of Iraq, Associated Press Online, July 17, 2007 Tuesday 10:28 PM GMT, , WASHINGTON DATELINE, 909 words, By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer, RAMADI Iraq
38.
US Marines launch new offensive in western Iraq, Associated Press Worldstream, July 17, 2007 Tuesday 11:44 AM GMT, , INTERNATIONAL NEWS, 132 words, BAGHDAD
105.
U.S. Forces in Iraq Launch New Offensive, Associated Press Online, July 16, 2007 Monday 8:46 AM GMT, , INTERNATIONAL NEWS, 932 words, By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer, BAGHDAD
The surge is just completed
July 17, 2007 - 20:57 ET by bigtimerThe surge is just completed two weeks ago and now we get the all nighter from the Fearless Leader in the Senate and the likes of CNN, Wolfie and Ware and all their ilk.
Win we must NOT!
According to the defeatist cutnrunnin' back-stabbing traitors.
Defeat at all Costs.
Lieberman: "This amendment
July 17, 2007 - 21:21 ET by kubob21Lieberman: "This amendment is a deadline for defeat." No more needs to be said.
Joe got tossed over the side
July 17, 2007 - 22:25 ET by Del DolemonteJoe got tossed over the side by the "political party" that has dishonestly called themselves "tolerant" and "all-inclusive" for decades.
Despite the fact that they supported him as one of their standard-bearers in the 2000 Presidential Campaign, he became expendable when he sided with Chimpy. As a result he was sent to the Russian Front.
Geez, the first photo, he
July 17, 2007 - 21:37 ET by BEGRUNTGeez, the first photo, he looks like a maniac. Oh BTW, thats me a long long time ago
I'm Michael Ware!
July 17, 2007 - 21:39 ET by Scout FinchAnd I'm going to hypnotize you into believing you're reacting to a Pavlovian response! At the count of ten, you will shriek, duck your head, and yell, "Retreat! Send the troops home!"
Yeah, reminds me of a meth
July 17, 2007 - 21:44 ET by smfd227Yeah, reminds me of a meth addict I arrested last year.
"Pop culture is filth." - John Derbyshire
The WH Iraq Progress Report
July 17, 2007 - 21:40 ET by piniellaIn order for the Surge to be effective, the Iraqis have to be able increase the effectiveness of their armed forces. So far, they have failed to make satisfactory progress:
SOURCE: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070712.html
(xv) Increasing the number of Iraqi security forces units capable of operating independently.
There has been a slight reduction in units assessed as capable of independent operations since January 2007. This reduction is due to a 20 percent increase in unit authorization levels (meaning the equipment numbers against which the unit is measured are higher), a fixed number of equipment sets and training seats, a lack of officers and NCOs (with some provided to less capable units to help stand them up), combat losses, and the sustainment challenges that come with these dynamics.
Assessment: The Iraqi Government has made unsatisfactory progress toward increasing the number of Iraqi Security Forces units capable of operating independently.
ware is a hack
July 17, 2007 - 21:44 ET by Jason AslingerThe left is so absolutely invested in failure in Iraq. At this point, the left - and particularly the democrats in congress - would be deemed irrelevant if the surge succeeded. They are terrified !!! And because of this, you get more of the same from CNN and Michael Ware.
Have you ever noticed that when CNN wants to "lay the wood" to the Bush administration, they often use a reporter with a foreign accent ??
Investing
July 17, 2007 - 22:04 ET by piniella"The left is so absolutely invested in failure in Iraq."
We are invested in a realistic view of Iraq, something we share with this fellow:
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE
February 24, 2006 2:51 PM
It Didn't Work
By William F. Buckley Jr.
"I can tell you the main reason behind all our woes—it is America." The New York Times reporter is quoting the complaint of a clothing merchant in a Sunni stronghold in Iraq. "Everything that is going on between Sunni and Shiites, the troublemaker in the middle is America."
One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed.
Buckley's 5-month-old
July 17, 2007 - 22:27 ET by Jason AslingerBuckley's 5-month-old opinion notwithstanding, forgive me if I don't trust a NYT reporter quoting an un-named citizen of Iraq. Ha - isn't that kind of the whole point of having Newsbusters. You can sling all the arrows you want, the democrats have done nothing but attack Bush on Iraq for the last 5 years. Even tonight - rather than talking about immigration, or talking about social security, or even sleeping - the democrats are again engaging in a gratutitous stunt which will accomplish nothing tangible. If it turns out their position was wrong (ie if the surge succeeds), then their entire party will have become irrelevant.
attacks
July 17, 2007 - 22:45 ET by piniellaJason Arlinger writes "You can sling all the arrows you want, the democrats have done nothing but attack Bush on Iraq for the last 5 years."
That is simply not true. You may recall that the Senate vote on the AUMF was 77-23.
surge
July 17, 2007 - 22:47 ET by piniellaJason Arlinger writes " If it turns out their position was wrong (ie if the surge succeeds), then their entire party will have become irrelevant."
The Surge won't succeed simply because the Iraqis won't "stand up."
They won't 'stand up' because...
July 18, 2007 - 06:22 ET by ncstevemthe Iraqi's are too dumb, lazy, corrupt, enjoy dictatorships?
Why is it you believe they won't 'stand up' Pinella?
another one
July 17, 2007 - 22:51 ET by piniellaJason Arlinger writes "Buckley's 5-month-old opinion notwithstanding, ..."
It's not just Buckley, other conservatives such as George F. Will and Paul Weyrich have also seen the sad reality of Iraq. Here's what Will had to say:
Togetherness In Baghdad
A surreal facet of the Iraq fiasco is the lag between
when a fact becomes obvious and when
the fiasco's architects acknowledge it.
By George F. Will
Newsweek
Nov. 6, 2006 issue - Many months ago it became obvious to all but the most ideologically blinkered that America is losing the war launched to deal with a chimeric problem (an arsenal of WMD) and to achieve a delusory goal (a democracy that would inspire emulation, transforming the region).
man - piniella is one busy
July 17, 2007 - 23:17 ET by Jason Aslingerman - piniella is one busy liberal. of course he will now quote my words and show me how I'm wrong. haha. keep spinning your wheels piniella. i'm glad you're spending your extra time on nb instead of out in the community.
busy
July 17, 2007 - 23:22 ET by piniellaJason Arlinger writes "man - piniella is one busy liberal..."
I wouldn't be so busy if the news media were doing a better job of getting us the truth. This is one area where I agree with conservatives.
Oh that Piniella--
July 17, 2007 - 22:30 ET by misterbillOh that Piniella-- scuffing dirt on the umpire's cleats and accomplishing nothing (except, maybe getting fined or ejected!)
misterbill,
July 17, 2007 - 22:44 ET by Dave Rmisterbill,
I am livid beyond words that this America-hating, worthless disgrace of a POS was allowed back in here, particularly after the inhuman venom he threw at our members currently serving in Iraq on Noel's thread the other night. I was on my way to getting banned as I was about to pull his nads out through his throat. May do it yet.
What gives?
Now I wish I had saved my rant.
Think I better call it a night, before this gets really ugly.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Dave R the piece I copied on the little boy--
July 17, 2007 - 22:52 ET by misterbillDave R the piece I copied on the little boy--really mellowed me out today. I am turning (sometimes) into an old softie. I believe that people like Piniella are so full of vitriol and blind hatred that they find something bad in everything good. Awhile back, I got so angry with the immigration issue that I posted a couple of times that Bush should be impeached. I absolutely never really felt that way. I was angry about the immigration reform and the SPP. The man has kept us safe for 6almost 6 years now.
Sometimes, I am very sad when I read the rants of the hateful ones. I wonder what kind of lives they live-- Piniella is one of those---
misterbill, That picture
July 18, 2007 - 02:49 ET by Dave Rmisterbill,
That picture literally brought tears to my eyes, which is unusual for me, as I do not consider myself to be an emotional person by any definition.
It sickens me to know that there are people who are allowed to live in this great country and yet would literally look Christian Golczynski in the face and tell him his father deserved to die. Piniella is one of those people.
Sometimes I feel sad for the idiots among us, as well, but it doesn't usually last very long. I realize that some feel the ignorant should be pittied, but I live by the rule that stupid is forever, but ignorance can be fixed.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
hatred
July 17, 2007 - 23:23 ET by piniellaDave R. writes "I am livid beyond words that this America-hating..."
I do not hate America, not at all. I do disagree with most aspects our of current foreign policy.
piniella, You aren't
July 17, 2007 - 23:33 ET by Dave Rpiniella,
You aren't worth my getting booted off this site.
Even for a week.
хороший
bye, камрад.
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MB
July 17, 2007 - 23:24 ET by Noel SheppardMB et al,
He wasn't allowed back. Conversion glitch. We're on it. Relax. :-) ns
Re: Piniella, I saw his
July 17, 2007 - 23:38 ET by contraryRe: Piniella, I saw his comments in the thread that got him banned, but I would say that in this thread he has been civil, obtuse and without engaging arguments, but civil. Maybe worth a second chance?
Contrary
July 17, 2007 - 23:48 ET by Noel SheppardC,
Interesting. Have you also looked at the posts at his website concerning NB? He made it clear that he was coming here to cause trouble, and did. Shouldn't that be considered?
I've seen this behavior in the past. This is like Eddie Haskell being nice when Ward and June are around. Are you familiar with the reference? ns
LOL I think that dates
July 17, 2007 - 23:52 ET by contraryLOL
I think that dates you though.
Piniella did say on his site his initial intentions, but I also observed his comment about Newsbusters (mistakenly) giving him a reprieve. That seemed to keep him civil since his return. I agree he should probably apologize to the offended parties regarding previous posts, but right now he doesn't sound so disruptive, just obtuse.
Contrary
July 18, 2007 - 00:07 ET by Noel SheppardC,
Interesting. Well, as he appears to be continuing to monitor things here, if he actually wanted to be a civil poster, and apologize for his previous invective, anything's possible. We've let many back in the past. ns
I was on a military site one time
July 18, 2007 - 00:17 ET by Carl KolchakI was on a military history site that I like to go to, and had recently joined and didn't know my way around it very well, and was following recent posts. It was about who was worse Stalin or Hitler. Now that's right up my alley, so I start posting and really saying bad things about Stalin, the Red Army, Katyn Massacre, talking about all the Red Army cannon fodder, etc. Well after awhile I start seeing many posts from people in Russia. After a few posts, I find out I'm on a forum hosted by an expert in the Red Army during WW2, and this guy is from Russia. I realized that there were many posters from Russia who were just as proud of their soldiers as I was of the US in WW2. On that same website, I had recently voted Stalingrad as the most important battle of all time, so that helped me save some face. I made an apology to the people if I had offended them, and told them that people who study WW2 should study the toughness of the Soviet people. Sometimes I think we all sometimes jump the gun and want to start posting with the assumption that anyone who doesn't think like us can't be that smart, or really know anything because we have it all figured out. People make mistakes.
Now how about Whitey from "Leave it to Beaver"? Now he was a real troublemaker wasn't he?
"Go ahead Beav, what are you chicken?"
Contrary, Perhaps you
July 18, 2007 - 00:13 ET by Dave RContrary,
Perhaps you missed this little exchange:
This guy should be fired on t
July 14, 2007 - 10:05 ET — msh1973
This
guy should be fired on the spot, but he won't, he will be seen as a
brave journalist who has the courage to tell it like it is. It makes me
sick to my stomach!
He has really offended my family as my nephew is serving and he is
a kind, wonderful young man who loves his Country. He is willing to
sacrifice his life for all of us including this moron who wrote this
cartoon. It is a sad day in America.
Re: your nephew
July 14, 2007 - 22:10 ET — piniella
If your nephew is in Iraq, he's not sacrificing anything for America.
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That was only one of several supremely disrespectful comments made by this cretin that I felt were way, way over the line, as they were directed at those who are currently serving in Iraq, or who had close family members who are.
I'd trouble myself pull the other hideous comments by this individual, but I nearly broke a toe the other night when I went outside and kicked a fairly large pine tree.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Sorry about your toe Dave
July 18, 2007 - 00:26 ET by contrarySorry about your toe Dave R.
I see where you are coming from, and I might of made the mistake of following a link to his site. He has some pretty one-sided views that he presents in a very polarizing way. Probably someone who needs alot of love in his life.
But, his statements re: a servicemen in iraq not sacrificing anything for America is probably a poorly-worded way of showing displeasure of our current foreign policy. Not that I agree with what he said mind you.
contrary,
July 18, 2007 - 00:44 ET by Dave Rcontrary,
As I libertarian, normally I would be willing to give my life to defend another American's right to say whatever they wish, but there is a line that I believe should never be crossed.
Whether people agree or not with this country going into Iraq, or with how this conflict is being waged (and I have huge problems with our CIC in the latter regard) I cannot deal with direct insults to people who are serving over there, or their family members.
You have to realize that I come from a large military family. My father was a Marine in Korea during that war, and one of his two brothers was a carrier pilot in the same war. His third brother was in the army and got out prior to Vietnam.
Several of my mother's closest friends from childhood were killed in Vietnam. All of my male cousins (6) were in the military, one of which was a S.E.A.L. officer. Several of them were involved in the first Gulf War.
Normally, I am the most live-and-let-live person you will ever encounter, but this got just a little personal for me.
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
I guess I must have pity
July 18, 2007 - 00:47 ET by contraryI guess I must have pity for him or something.
I also have a lineage of military service in my family. I served in the Navy, had numerous relatives fight in WW2, Korea and Vietnam. Some of the stories they used to tell were quite chilling. I will always hold those who serve in high regard.
contrary, I will always
July 18, 2007 - 01:10 ET by Dave Rcontrary,
I will always hold those who serve in high regard.
As will I. It is truly unfortunate that so many people in this country do not appreciate the brave souls, both past and present, who were and are willing to go through things in their service to this country that most people will ever even know about.
BTW-Thank you for your service.
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And we're thankful for your
July 18, 2007 - 01:14 ET by Carl KolchakAnd we're thankful for your dad's service in the Korean War as well. My dad is a Vietnam Vet, and I'm very proud of Vietnam Vets.
Did you grow up on Marine bases, or did you dad retire after the Korean War?
"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli"
Carl,
July 18, 2007 - 01:49 ET by Dave RCarl,
No, he signed up initially for four years, got "volunteered" for a fifth (due to the war) then atttended Ga. Tech (class of '57) with help from the GI Bill (and chili dogs from The Varsity) and became a mechanical and civil engineer, land surveyor and landscape architect.
Guess you could say he was busy.
I was adopted in '64, at the ripe old age of 12 weeks.
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"That being said, while
July 17, 2007 - 21:47 ET by contrary"That being said, while we're seeing the Iraq veterans -- these guy who come into a six month tour or a 12 month tour in Iraq, blood themselves against American forces and go home, they're creating a whole new momentum back in their homelands"
Ware sounds like he is talking about his country's military. And how did he come up with this statement? Through the questioning of family members "back in the homeland"? Maybe he was an imbedded journalist with the 4th Martyr brigade.
"The fact that al Qaeda has reorganized itself through the war in Iraq that America handed it on a silver platter in its own backyard, that the war here through al Qaeda in Iraq has energized the Jihadi community across the globe, that it has produced a whole new generation of Jihadis -- bolder, more brazen and more brutal and more committed"
Where in the F**K did he get this information? Does he accurately measure the level of brutality over the years from terrorists? What statistics is he relying on? Can you feel the energy of the Jihadis Micheal? Who's side are you on?
Info sources
July 17, 2007 - 22:14 ET by piniellaHere's one:
SEN. REED: Well, the question would be, if you had to establish the probability of a successful attack being organized and directed against the United States, would it emanate from Pakistan, with this newly revised al Qaeda leadership, or would it come out of Iraq?
ADM. MCCONNELL: Two ways, two lines of reasoning to answer that. First of all, Iraq is a cause celebre for the jihadists in creating forces.
SOURCE:Copyright 2007 Federal News Service, Inc.
All Rights Reserved Federal News Service
February 27, 2007 Tuesday
SECTION: CAPITOL HILL HEARING
LENGTH: 28512 words
HEADLINE: HEARING OF THE SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE; SUBJECT: CURRENT AND FUTURE WORLDWIDE THREATS TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES; CHAIRED BY: SENATOR CARL LEVIN (D-MI); WITNESSES: THOMAS FINGAR, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE FOR ANALYSIS, AND CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE COUNCIL LIEUTENANT GENERAL MICHAEL MAPLES, U.S. ARMY, DIRECTOR, DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY VICE ADMIRAL JOHN MCCONNELL, U.S. NAVY (RETIRED), DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE;
LOCATION: SH-216 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C.
Did you ever answer Noel,
July 17, 2007 - 22:16 ET by BlondeDid you ever answer Noel, Troll?
If so, please post the link.
Hi, Blonde. You may be
July 17, 2007 - 22:19 ET by dahliatraversHi, Blonde. You may be thinking of USnotUS. This is the chucklehead who insulted a deployed serviceman.
Wasn't this one banned, too? Thought it took seven days to get an account on NewsBusters ...
Thanks, Dahlia, I
July 17, 2007 - 22:24 ET by BlondeThanks, Dahlia, I suspect you are correct...but it seems to me the piniela person insulted alot of posters the other day, and was called on the floor for it as well.
We've been overrun by these trolls who sling around the ludicrous liberal leaps of liberal illogic.
What can I say? They've all blended together in one big gross mess!
Hey...where's the pic of your dahlia? Cool flower.
Yes, they can sound an
July 17, 2007 - 22:40 ET by dahliatraversYes, they can sound an awful lot alike.
I'll work on that graphic, Blonde.
shermans blown up day after day
July 17, 2007 - 23:30 ET by Pragmatic-ManIn WW2, the Sherman tanks were blown up day in and day out, with USA casualties far greater than those in Iraq. But we kept making them, because we had no time to design a better weapon. Our strength was in our industrial capacity. With that, and interrupting the German's war production machinery, we were able to overpower them. It took thousands of lives to finally overcome the German Panzer divisions, but we did it, because our resolve to win was pared with a superior fighting force, although our weapons were possibly inferior at that exact time.
So would you say that we should back away from an enemy with no body armor, no supply chain outside of pillage, no airpower, no forward recon, no comm infrastructure... should we back away from an enemy like this because we are weak? Why would you not pursue an enemy that is inferior to you? Why would you not want to rid this enemy from the new republic of Iraq, so that their citizens will not be murdered when we do finally leave a peaceful new democracy, a new nation with a fresh promise of freedom for the middle east.
Steel
July 18, 2007 - 00:40 ET by Carl KolchakGood post Prag-Man. The United States had an abudance of steel which really made a difference. If you look at some of the casualty counts from WW2 battles, there is no way the current MSM would tolerate such numbers. I think Guadalcanal was the first battle in which the Americans defeated the Japanese in the South Pacific on land, and not the sea. That didn't happen immedialty after Pearl Harbor. Can you imagine how today's MSM would have reacted if the Americans had to wait that long for a victory? In fact I think American casualties for Guadalcanal were 5,000+. Today's MSM would probably have demanded a surrender after that.
"I'm a man of means by no means, King of the Road" 'King of the Road'
trolls
July 17, 2007 - 22:53 ET by piniellaBLonde writes "We've been overrun by these trolls who sling around the ludicrous liberal leaps of liberal illogic."
Is this fellow also a troll?
SEN. GORDON SMITH (R-OREGON):I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal. I cannot support that anymore.
SOURCE: CONGRESSIONAL RECORD -- SENATE
Thursday, December 07, 2006
109th Congress, 2nd Session
152 Cong Rec S 11451
REFERENCE: Vol. 152, No. 134
SECTION: Senate
TITLE: IRAQ
SPEAKER: Mr. SMITH
WELCOME TO HELL, YOU F'ING TROLL!!!!!!!
July 17, 2007 - 22:59 ET by Dave Rhades
July 17, 2007 - 23:05 ET by piniellaSartre, No Exit, "Hell is other people"
engage
July 17, 2007 - 23:14 ET by Pragmatic-ManShall we engage?
Please, pini, describe your first three actions if you could direct military operations in Iraq.
tactics
July 17, 2007 - 23:26 ET by piniellaI'd have to know more about the disposition of our forces but I would concentrate more on killing Al Qaeda.
al Qaeda is in Iraq
July 17, 2007 - 23:35 ET by Pragmatic-ManRecent intel reveals that half of the fighters being killed or captured in Iraq are Saudi member of al qaeda. This is the highest concentration of active al qaeda fighers in the world. It would seem to me that to disengage this enemy now, would be a tactical error. It would be strategically disastrous, but a tactical error also.
insomnia wearing off
July 17, 2007 - 23:39 ET by Pragmatic-ManMy insomina is wearing off. I must take advantage and disengage.
Someone else will have to have the last word.
Good night.
Gordon is a surrendering politician
July 17, 2007 - 23:18 ET by Pragmatic-ManGordon is no troll. He is worse. He is a surrendering politician, a person who is supposed to uphold the best interest of the USA. What he should be doing is thinking about the mission of the military, and their overall success, which is growing every day.
surrender
July 17, 2007 - 23:25 ET by piniellaDid you ever think that Gordon, Buckley, Weyrich, Will and many others might be correct about Iraq?
Why is Gordon correct?
July 17, 2007 - 23:32 ET by Pragmatic-ManWhy is Gordon et al, why are they correct? Why is their policy of leaving Iraq the correct position?
No I do not agree with them. But why do you?
Gordon has been a huge
July 17, 2007 - 23:28 ET by bigtimerGordon has been a huge disappointment for years and years now.
The enviro's have had him by his so-called cajones in Oregon...forever, let alone his whining about the war for a very long time now...he is past pathetic.
Btw...the Fearless Leader just gave up in actuality on the Senate floor....with their silly little detrimental play to their looney base BS and the talkin' heads on television...they are not going to have another stab at the Reed/Levin Bill votes until 11:00 am ET...the idiot critters...(of course things can change...lol)
Who would want to serve with these people in any time of trouble....EVER?
measure of victory
July 17, 2007 - 23:22 ET by Pragmatic-ManWars are not won on superiority of strength alone. They are won by convincing the enemy that you are more willing to die for your cause than they are. If you can exterminate your enemy, then yes, superiority will be your trump card. But if you are pitted against an enemy that is so well strewn throughout the middle east, infused in countless countries, then we must show militant islam that we will never cease to battle their terrorist ways, just as they vowed centuries ago to never cease battling the infidel. Who's jihad is bigger, that is the question.
Do we love western civilization with as much fervor as they hate it? Therein lies an answer that a liberally minded politicial is not likely to answer readily. But I am inclined to answer such a question with a resounding YES, and then some.
Blonde and Dahlia Here
July 17, 2007 - 22:27 ET by botgBlonde and Dahlia
Here you go
It looks like PM s are out for a while try again tomorrow
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Thanks, botg. I couldn't
July 17, 2007 - 22:41 ET by dahliatraversThanks, botg. I couldn't figure out what was going on.
Is that Tarzan in your graphic?
Johnny Weismuller himself
July 17, 2007 - 22:43 ET by botgJohnny Weismuller himself with a big shout out to you all (or just calling the elephants to stampede the place)
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Evenin' Blonde, This
July 17, 2007 - 22:34 ET by Dave REvenin' Blonde,
This pinheaded clown has to be a ghost, as I know I saw PNF when I clicked on his SN the other night.
I was well on my way to getting banned myself for what I was about to tell this puke after what he said to Bobby.
Who let this POS back in here?
Help Fred defeat the RINOs, along with the Hitllary-Obama Axis, & win the White House in '08.
Dave, I'm sure it
July 17, 2007 - 22:39 ET by BlondeDave,
I'm sure it was a glitch in the switch...letting the little trollster back on board....a pluperfect PITA!
Liked the Weber earlier. I'm still futzing around with a pic here. I like the horse, but maybe something else would be better.
I really do like the pics, tho....it's really easy to recognize who is posting after the second time I see it.
Noel
July 17, 2007 - 22:55 ET by piniellaJuly 17, 2007 - 23:16 ET — Blonde
Did you ever answer Noel, Troll?
If so, please post the link.
What was the question?
Noel
July 17, 2007 - 22:18 ET by botgNoel
were you aware that pinella posted this?
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Sheesh....another
July 17, 2007 - 22:31 ET by BlondeSheesh....another hater clone.
This is SOOOOO boring.
He'll be toast again by morning.
Do you have the whole
July 17, 2007 - 22:18 ET by contraryDo you have the whole conversation?
<Crickets>
July 17, 2007 - 23:24 ET by contrary<Crickets>
So, Wolfie "numb nuts"
July 17, 2007 - 21:48 ET by jdhawkSo, Wolfie "numb nuts" Blitzer couldn't ask the obvious question? To wit: "Ware, which version of the "truth" do you want us to believe? Your rant of several months ago that to turn tail and run from Iraq would hand over the country to Al Queda and the Iranians or the rant of this evening? Do you even remember what you said then? Now?
Does anyone care?
Yes. Does Ware have a
July 17, 2007 - 22:21 ET by dahliatraversYes. Does Ware have a doppleganger? Which is the truth?
Weir(d)
July 17, 2007 - 22:25 ET by Captain RepusThis guy always seems to get his nose out of joint over any sign of progress in Iraq. Maybe if he would shave and wash his face sometime he would be mistaken for a journalist.
Michael Ware not only looks
July 17, 2007 - 23:13 ET by TEMichael Ware not only looks like Charlie Manson, but he "thinks" like him too. No wonder the America hating enemy in Iraq adore Ware.
Michael Ware is a Super
July 17, 2007 - 23:21 ET by maggieqpublicMichael Ware is a Super Hero. He is on the inside in Iraq with the Sunnis, Shias, and Qaedas. Whether it be Baghdad or Basra, Michael is on the street with the trouble. He is at least one step ahead of the U.S. Defense Department and the U.S. Executive Branch including the Secretary of State. Lebanon is Michael’s back yard… Christians, Hamas, Palestinian refugees… he knows all of the inner workings. Tactics and maneuvers coming out of Tehran and Damascus are common knowledge to him. Afghanistan, Karzai, Musharraf, Pakistan, Waziristan’s tribal regions…. all tip of the tongue.
CNN hasn’t had a correspondent so “on the inside” since Peter Arnett. Whoops.