Silly Questions Abound in First GOP Debate: 'What Do You Dislike Most About America?'

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Update (15:33): MRC/NB's Rich Noyes will be on Fox News at 4:15 p.m. to discuss this. Look for a new post shortly thereafter with video.

In a debate packed with silly questions and ones matching left-wing attack points on GOP candidates, in the first “Interactive Round” of questions submitted by the public on Politico.com, a co-sponsor of the debate, Mitt Romney got the most bizarre. The Politico Executive Editor Jim VandeHei, a Washington Post political reporter before jumping to The Politico earlier this year, found this one worth posing: “Daniel Dekovnick [sp phonetic] from Walnut Creek, California wants to know, 'What do you dislike most about America?'" Romney responded: “Gosh, I love America. I'm afraid I'm going to be at a loss for words...”(More questions below)

Video clip of VandeHei posing the “what do you dislike most about America?” question and Romney's response (45 secs): Real (1.3 MB) or Windows Media (1.5 MB), plus MP3 audio (260 KB)

Read past the jump for more oddball questions and a huge blog roundup.

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The “Interactive Rounds” at the Republican presidential debate, from the Ronald Reagan Library in California and carried live on MSNBC, became an opportunity to raise hostile questions from a left-wing agenda or meant to embarrass the candidates (what's the difference between Shia and Sunni? How many have been killed or injured in Iraq? etc.)

Some of the other questions VandeHei chose to ask during the same round (about 25 minutes into the debate) in which he posed the whopper to Romney:

  • To Rudy Giuliani, “Bradley Winter of New York would like to know if there's anything you learned, or regret, during your time as Mayor in your dealings with the African-American community?”
  • To Mike Huckabee, “Thousands of reputable scientists have concluded, with almost certainty, that human activity is responsible for the warming of the Earth. Do you believe global warming exists?”
  • Later, to Tom Tancredo: “Will you work to protect women's rights, as in fair wages and reproductive choice?”

Update (01:36 | Matthew Sheffield)

Moderator Chris Matthews, the long-time Democratic operative-turned journalist, also asked his fair share of ridiculous questions, bizarrely attacking White House aide Karl Rove and favorite target Scooter Libby. Regarding Libby, Matthews asked whether the former vice presidential aide deserved a pardon (he does not according to Matthews).

The "Hardball" host went hard after Rove, attempting to pressure former Virginia governor Jim Gilmore. "Is Karl Rove your friend," he asked, wondering whether Gilmore would even think of allowing the nefarious Rove in the White House. Gilmore rebuffed Matthews: "It isn't a matter of Karl Rove. What's important to this nation isn't Karl Rove."

VandeHei's question about Islam was a true stump-the-candidate moment which Giuliani handled fairly well. The tables were turned later in the debate when Matthews wrongly tried to correct Romney after the latter mentioned altered nuclear transfer as an alternative to fetal stem cells. Matthews appeared to think the former Massachusetts governor was talking about nuclear energy.

Things did not improve for Matthews. Near the end of the 90-minute plus session, he actually asked the candidates if they approved of the idea of having former president Bill Clinton back in the White House:

“Would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?” he wondered.

Amazingly, no one agreed with him.

Surely Fox News would not have been so ridiculous to the Democratic candidates.

Other blog reactions (see more at Instapundit):

  • Paul Mirengoff: "Giuliani didn't pander, but was less successful than McCain in giving answers that will appeal across the spectrum. Indeed, his statement that he would be ok with a Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, but also with a decision continiuing to uphold it, leaves him pretty vulnerable, it seems to me."
  • Mary Katharine Ham: "He still doesn't do it for me, but I'd say Romney probably came out on top. McCain and Giuliani didn't noticeably mess up, but their likeable, distinguishing characteristics got lost in the shuffle tonight. Romney doesn't have that 'it' factor that McCain and Rudy usually have, but he didn't disappoint anyone by showing up without it."
  • Ed Morrissey: "Mitt Romney won this debate. He looked relaxed, answered clearly, showed real warmth and a sense of humor, and actually answered the questions asked of him -- even the stupid ones, to which I'll return shortly. After Romney, one has to think that Jim Gilmore and Mike Huckabee may have made some strides in breaking out of the third tier. They also showed that they could connect emotionally to the audience and give clear, thoughtful answers. [...] How did MSNBC and Politico perform? -- Poorly. The format guaranteed that we would learn next to nothing about these candidates. The Politico editor kept strolling all over the stage, asking questions from their on-line audience that were embarrassingly inane. Matthews's questions were better, but phrased in a manner that (a) seemed hostile, and (b) didn't allow for thoughtful answers."
  • Stephen Green: "You know who Tancredo reminds me of? That TV character actor who was everywhere during the '70s and '80s. Lots of MASH appearances, I think. Can't remember his name. I'll look it up later. In the meantime, I keep expecting him to crack a broad smile and a bad joke, followed by a small hit of laugh-track."
  • Ace: "The 30 second limit on answers pretty much guarantees the most scripted of soundbite campaign slogans. Interesting moments: Giuliani offers a 'nuanced' position on abortion, as Chris Matthews puts it (supporting NY state's decision to use taxpayer money to fund abortions, but supporting other states' rights to make a different decision; saying he hates abortions, but must respect a woman's right to 'choose another path'); McCain stating, as if it's a good thing, that he knows how to walk across the aisle to deal with Democrats as he's been doing it 'his entire career.' Yes, we know that, Senator. That's the problem.
  • Erick Erickson: "John McCain won. Let's not dance around this. Mitt Romney shined, he stood out, he did well. Rudy Giuliani imploded. Rudy totally and utterly self-destructed tonight. He had many chances to get in good with the core base of Republican voters and ignored every moment. But McCain cuisine reigned supreme. He served up a dish of anger, a willingness to criticize, and a desire to fight — hard. But let's be honest. Who really won? Fred Thompson."
  • Jonah Goldberg: "I hope Democrats, feminists and others are taking note that Chris Matthews's question about whether it would be good if Bill Clinton was back in the White House basically makes Hillary — the wife and actual candidate — the bit player."
  • Jason Smith: "It’s still more than a year away and real life is passing us by while we decide which candidates had the best sound-bite material. It’s not as if the world’s problems can be solved by a bunch of polished politicos parading before television cameras responding to hostile and sometimes completely stupid questions by political opponents in under a 30 second time limit."
  • David Weigel: "Matthews's devious 'ignore Ron Paul' plan backfires when Paul gets the last word in the debate. And yet afterwards, no one wants to talk to him - Romney dives offstage to mug with Nancy Reagan, and Paul is left huddling with Tancredo. It looks not unlike the Math Olympics team sitting at the back of homeroom as the popular kids talk about the awesome kegger at Todd's house this weekend."
  • Ian Schwartz: "According to our poll, Drudge's poll, and many bloggers, Romney won the debate. I got to say, I'm not a Romney guy, but he came off as the winner to me. However, he also won the 'invoke Reagan as much as you can' award too. It would be interesting to see Fred Thompson debate this 'incomplete crowd.'"
  • Sister Toldjah: "It was very tough to follow. Matthews was a terrible moderator and treated the candidates as though they were on Hardball, not debating. Chris, take pointers from your colleague Brian Williams next time, ok? You’re a lousy debate moderator. I don’t think there was any clear winner to the debates tonight because there was no rhyme or reason to the questioning."
  • Mickey Kaus: "I guess I'm really not a Republican--or else Chris Matthews is an effective Dem saboteur--because the whole GOP field seemed weaker after the debate (just as the Dem field seemed stronger after its MSNBC debut). Judging just on affect, Blink-like, I thought McCain, Ron Paul, and Hunter did well. Giuliani a bit less well. Romney appears stiff and phony compared to the other front-runners. He made me want to go re-read Catcher in the Rye. Tancredo and Huckabee failed to make much of an impact at all. Brownback seemed to be talking about 50% of the time, but I can't remember a thing he said."
  • Jim Addison: "I have to say also, without equivocation, that the MSNBC [sic] debate moderation team SUCKED. The questions were weak (not to mention often coming from a Democratic talking point memo perspective), and Chris Mathews exercised absolutely no control at all. [...] Former Governors Tommy Thompson and Jim Gilmore gave a good account of themselves, showing their experience and judgment. In a perfect world, such highly-qualified candidates would be very competitive, but we live here, and they aren't. Good show! to both of them, though, on their way out the door."
  • Ann Althouse: "I confess to being moved to tears by Brownback talking about the sacredness of Terri Schiavo's life (even though I disagreed with what the Congress did). I'm impressed by the way this man believes what he believes and expresses this. But, of course, it would be a terrible mistake to make him the candidate."

Update (05-04 | Matthew Sheffield) I'm locking comments on this one. They're getting too numerous. Please move discussion to the open thread.

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What don't I like about Ameri

What don't I like about America?

Dumba$$ questions like that from left wing loons like you.

I was furious.I have posted o

I was furious.

I have posted on all of this from the beginning on the open thread, then Matthew put a blog on for us, and I posted a lot there too.

John Harris needs to get ****ed...along with Politico ...Matthews goes without saying...if the conservatives ever use msnbc again in the near future....I am going to go ballistic.

I hope others who post here saw all of this tonight...or catch it later.

I am checking out...take care all.

Oh lord, David Shyster is telling us the real truth now about what our candidates really said, and where they really lied...this inane blathering coming form one of the biggest outright liars on television. 

nite  BTSupreme Court,  Nat

nite  BT

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  my litmous test for President.      BT(adapted)

It was VandeHei not Harrus

The "what do you dislike most about America?" question was uttered by Jim VandeHei, in choosing to highlight that question from a poster on Politico.com, not John Harris. VandeHei was at the side of the stage by some computers. Harris paced on stage.

Brent Baker is VP for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center, where he writes the daily CyberAlert e-mail report.

The candidates must have know

The candidates must have know they were walking into a hornets nest with Matthews and his crew - they were prepared - had great responses - and turned some dumb questions around on them to make them look foolish. I thought is was a great night for the GOP after so many months of attacks.

I thought the answer was supposed to be...

I thought the answer was supposed to be...

President Bush and his lying us into the quagmire in Iraq, and the whole neocon administration and loss of our rights and destruction of our country and what it stands for.

Gosh, I can get the answer right and I'm not even running.

So you thought the answer sho

So you thought the answer should be unsupportable fiction?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

botg - the answer is always 42.

botg - the answer is always 42.

and...

Thanks for all the Fish.

Doug Adams (Dec)

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

then the joke is 59?Supreme C

then the joke is 59?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

 . . . or Halliburton - the

 . . . or Halliburton - the great satin.

That's nothing. I'm "t

That's nothing. I'm "the great silk"! But now that they're officially a Dubai company, it would be funny-as-hell if Halliburton suddenly tried to buy-up a few US ports...
JMR

Yeah bogt

Yeah bogt. I guess I could have said the disappearing middle class, the corporate extreme profiteering, the oil lords controlling Bush, the jews running our foreign policy, poor people, ketchup as a vegetable, racism, our shameful US history, our world hegemony, date rape, white men, and Ann Coulter, too. Sorry I fell short there.

You forgot the Reptilians in

You forgot the Reptilians in concert with Yeti using their mind-control.

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

Ketchup as a vegetable?Deja v

Ketchup as a vegetable?

Deja vu, Ronnie.

Yes, Ronald Reagan's great contribution to school lunches

Yes, Ronald Reagan's great contribution to school lunches. Ketchup counted as a vegetable. The libs argued about it, until a young 2 year old abandoned in the demo inner city district by his drug addled mother survived for days on ketchup packets he chewed open from the bottom refrigerator door shelf.

 

That's a sad story, but I sus

That's a sad story, but I suspect it is right on the money.

So what are the socialists going to do about it?

Raise our taxes (again?).

I always thought Ketchup as a veggie was funny.  But it is....tomatos.

P.S.  Why wasn't the drug addled mom in jail, and the kid in foster care or with relatives who wouldn't starve the kid?  Just wondering.

That's weird. What the hell i

That's weird. What the hell is catsup? And why can it be spelled 10 different ways?

Unfortunately, it's probably the most vegetable kids these days are getting.

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Politically, Romney handled t

Politically, Romney handled that well, turning it around into high praise for America (never a bad answer in a GOP debate). But it would have been nice for him to say "journalists who think they're the ones running the country, and are the only ones with the brains to do it properly."

Agreed Tim.. but Romney should have said..

Agreed Tim.. but Romney should have said..

Well, before this very minute in time I would have had little to offer to  such a question, but suddenly it comes to me. In this place where we come together today to openly debate what our visions for America are and what we feel so strongly about we open our hearts and our souls to every American citizen to ask of us those questions which they feel important to the future of our country and the welfare of our neighbors and friends -- you pose an insulting question. One not intented to address what the people are interested in hearing, but rather, one which so clearly presents your own bigotry and bias in others.

These are the people compet

These are the people competing for the leadership chair of not only America but essentially the world. What if Romney had addressed the fact that both he and the others were present to confront the liberal media circus unlike the dems who ran from FOX? What if he included the fact that the leader of our senate has been identified as corrupt? In regard to journalists, who has addressed the treasonous affairs of the NYT? Why run from facts? If the news media wants to ask, then answer.

JDW

News media: Scoreboard for terrorists

Because they were too busy an

Because they were too busy answering inane questions like should there be an amendment to allow arnold to run for president; or what don't you like about america; or what do you think about the prospect of Billie back in the white house.

I hope that whomever is the GOP nominee has a chance to ask whomever is the Democrat nominee why should the american people believe that the dem candidate is capable of confronting all challenges when that person was afraid to confront the harmless challenge of debating on the FoxNews channel?

I did not watch.The few tra

I did not watch.

The few transcripts I read showed that conservatives confronted the questions they were asked. Most questions made us appear as the 'culture of corruption'. Image the same questioners inquiring as to how the candidates feel about Feinstein or Jefferson?

JDW

News media: Scoreboard for terrorists

I'm sure the kids were giggli

I'm sure the kids were giggling and high-fiving each other after the debate.

I have one for him:   How w

I have one for him:  

How we probably became viewed by Iraqies in 1993 once Clinton was in office.   That Clinton didn't take us into Baghdad then or later in his term must have made us look having been "freedom knocking at their door" as the French would have looked during our revolution if they only sailed to our shores and didn't come in to assist >> and maybe could be seen partying for eight years just off our shores.

I thought maybe Clinton folks had something better in mind those days but now I don't.

How do we explain having been "freedom knocking at their door"?   I know Clintons just blamed not going in on 41st President and am still waiting to hear how their not going in got justified.  Would have fit well with the repairs to our own system or our "renaissance."  

If there's any question as

If there's any question as to why the Dems won't debate on FoxNews, it's because they know they'd be treated there the way PMSNBC treated the conservative contenders - and we just couldn't have that, now, could we?

~~~
If Hillary is the answer, it must've been a stupid question...

I must disagree, the MS treat

I must disagree, the MS treatment is to ask deceptive, stupid, and trivial questions.  I would hope that FOX would ask questions to reveal the true stands of the Dems.  In the Dem debate what differences between them were revealed?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

The funny thing is FNC probab

The funny thing is FNC probably would have been a fairer and certaintly more intelligent venue.

The Democrats

In a word, the Democrats are pussies.  Someone should put this debate on U-Tube with a header that says, Vote Republican, They'll Debate on Any Network and then add (Even with Chris Matthews as the moderator).

I wonder what would have happened, had he asked Van Der Hei a question to the effect that, with all the questions submitted to you to ask, why on earth would you ask a question like that?

Never argue with an idiot.  They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Well, we must give credit whe

Well, we must give credit where credit is due.

For not laughing out loud in the face of stupid questions....supreme self control should garner votes...a desirable trait in a presidential candidtate, yes?

Bstill it would have been nic

B

still it would have been nice to hear one candidate begin their answer with

'Well, there you go again;'

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

botg,I must admit...I didn't

botg,

I must admit...I didn't watch it.

Didn't need to, at this point.

Wimps, sissies, and fraidy cats.

When is Fred Thompson going to hop in?

If not, I may have to pull a real "Alex" and leave the country.  I am totally disgusted with the (R) congressional idiots here.

B,What do you mean by real co

B,

What do you mean by real congressional idiots here?

I am just curious.

Hunter did a great job, maybe you should of listened to it...Tancredo was okay too.

BT i thought you said goodnig

BT i thought you said goodnight earlier?  i also thought the (R) meant repubs

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

bot, I did say good-night...t

bot,

I did say good-night...things change in life like a phone call...good or bad...

I am still laughing out loud about the real part when it comes to 'R' about republicans...what can I say...lol!

B...all I meant was when it comes to the 'R' congressional republicans that are running in my opinion they have more b#lls that most up there tonight. Hunter did great...he will not be given the attention he deserves tonight, he is great on the military, the borders and SC judges ect...he didn't stutter, he presented himself well...he is what he is on the floor on or on the stage tonight in a debate.

Romney did good too.

McCain and Giuliani did not.

Hunter/Thompson 

Goodnight again BTSupreme Cou

Goodnight again BT

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

Sweet dreams and all that goo

Sweet dreams and all that good stuff bot.

 Catch ya later....

Not far behind ya.

Really...

Trust me...

lol

Thanks, BT,After a 3 day insa

Thanks, BT,

After a 3 day insane marathon, it's great to know I can come here and get the real opinion of what happened.  Because it drives me bonkers to not know.

Obviously, I am very interested in politics, but sometimes my life overrides my interests.  Thanks for keeping such an eagle eye on ALL of it (I know you are a C-SPAN junkie....you post so many important facts that are never reported elsewhere). 

You're a front line warrior, even if you don't think so....thanks for all of your observations here.

I trust your insights, and opinions. 

BT,The ones that are siding w

BT,

The ones that are siding with the dems on the funding bill...and the ones who are buying into "Global Warming".

In short, the traitors.

I probably should have listened to it, but I've put in about  44 hours of work in the last three days, I am on my last nerve, just exhausted, and destressing here (where are the trolls for me to squash?????).

Thanks for the updates....when I see what you wrote, I know I don't have to backtrack it at all....I know you always speak the truth.  Thanks, BT!

Blonde  Saturday is coming s

Blonde  Saturday is coming soon take care, i'm out soon

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

Blonde,i haven't yet seen it

Blonde,

i haven't yet seen it either, but i am sure that bigtimer would have mentioned it if any of the candidates had smacked the questions for being stupid

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

A Triangle has three sides, a square, four, do you bllieve pigs.

A Triangle has three sides, a square, four, do you bllieve pigs can fly?

“Thousands of reputable scientists have concluded, with almost certainty, that human activity is responsible for the warming of the Earth. Do you believe global warming exists?”

Um....

Yes...

er...

No.

Huh?

I'm sorta pretty much burned out on these things.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

What is teh flying speed of a

What is teh flying speed of an African Swallow? 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

With or without cocanuts?Supr

With or without cocanuts?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.   

But they're not migratory.~ ~

But they're not migratory.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"George W. Bush simply reminds leftists everyday what they will never be. And they hate him for it." --Tammy Bruce

Republican Debate

Matthews and the MSNBC team did a great job of making
the Republican Debate all about Democrat issues and Democrat
talking points. Why can't we have REPUBLICANS moderating and
asking the questions?? The GOP is just outraging its conservative
base
by failing to avoid this kind of farce.

And Hunter and the others need to be SEEN telling the MSM
liberals that "Global Warming" is a SCAM, not a "problem".

Now let's get back to America and let the Democratic Party and
the MSM put themselves out of business and let's not have
any Republicans (Rudi) chasing after them as they go down the drain. The
Democratic Party is a dried out husk of a party on all the issues and
Republicans just can't seem to summon up the cojones to finally put
them out of their misery
, and then, once and for all, lock out the liberal
MSM traitors
. We don't need them.

Gaaad! How aggravating the political
dead-wood in the GOP can be,

I agree. It is bad enough we

I agree. It is bad enough we have to listen to the liberal MSM every day, is it too much to ask to be able to hear the REPUBLICANS debate REPUBLICAN issues?

I would have loved to have one of them reply to at least one of the dumb questions like this:
"That is a stupid question that does not deserve my answer. Next?"

"You can lead a man to Congress, but you can't make him think." - Milton Berle

The "quality" of

The "quality" of the questions reflects poorly either on all readers of "Politico.com" or on the question selectors. It would be fun to evaluate questions passed-over in favor of the "what do you hate about America" tripe, but I suspect the question-selectors won't fare too well if I do...
JMR

When will they ever learn? 

When will they ever learn?  Making nice to the enemy (someone who truly hates you, whether Ted Kennedy or MSNBC & Matthews) doesn't help much.  This is especially true when the enemy's only goal is your destruction.  Give me someone who will kick sand in Matthew's face.  These guys seemed like excellent successors to George W. Bush.   

Matthews is the best MSNBC ca

Matthews is the best MSNBC can do?  What a joke. 

Liberalism is a convenient lie.

What do I hate most about Ame

What do I hate most about America? Cynicism and out right contempt for American values in the main stream media.

Chris Matthews bias shows

Chris Matthews questions were biased and inane.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any
man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

-Unknown

I'm glad Weigel got the &qu

I'm glad Weigel got the "ignore Paul" agenda (figures, since he's from Reason) and a Paul/Tancredo ticket of any sort would be an ideal RINO-alternative that could win Reagan-style, IMO. I thought Dr. Paul did well overall, but he could have done better on the emergency-situation question by concentrating either on one "I barely-saved a baby" story or on his principled decision against the Iraq War from the start. By trying to shoehorn two ideas into that short of a time he effectively got out neither, but he made up for that by forcing everyone to hear the truth for a change about inflation's effects on the poor. I found Romney to be the slickest talker -- which these days isn't a bad trait in a candidate, although it doesn't substitute for principles -- and Rudy remains the candidate who is scariest to me from a civil liberties perspective.
JMR

I was looking forward to hear

I was looking forward to hearing from Ron Paul.  I enjoyed some of the answers he gave, but honestly I suspect that he came off not so well to the mainstream audience.  He didn't appear presidential, but rather a little irritable, and he apparently had either allergies or a cold, which caused him to sniff a lot.  You could hear it even when the camera wasn't on him.  I'm not putting down his politics, but rather emphasizing that comportment in a presidential race is an inevitable reality, and he doesn't come off well.  I remember Steve Forbes had a similar experience, coming off as a wacky uncle instead of a presidential candidate.

I found myself drawn to several of the 'lesser' candidates and their answers, such as Gilmore and Huckabee.  Romney was impressive, but he's not conservative enough for me.  I thought McCain was exposed and Rudy's lisp was pronounced.

I just wish FRED! had been there.  He would have cleaned house.

I was amazed that McCain, d

I was amazed that McCain, despite his voting record, railed about fiscal responsibility... Sadly, the choice of Matthews as moderator combined with the rules prevented anyone from calling him on that one. I didn't find Paul irritable or allergic, but I think his answers should have been better focused/rehearsed. I agree that Romney comes off well, but I still think he has the principles and intellect of a Ken-doll. He clearly has the best make-up people. I hope Rudy's abortion answers effectively ended his campaign.
JMR

Quite honestly, the people wh

Quite honestly, the people who are going to use abortion as the litmus test on who should be president are a bit myopic. I made a quick list of issues that are much more important than abortion:

1. Iraq

2. War on Terror/Homeland Security

3. Economy

4. Immigration

5. Taxes

6. Gas/Fuel prices

7. Gov't corruption

8. Social Security

9. Health Care

10. Trade/Foreign policy

Issues #6-10 are interchangeable to me. Abortion isn't even on the radar. Neither is gun control or drug legalization or gay marriage, etc. There's much bigger fish to fry.

Unless maybe 1 & 7 comb

Unless maybe 1 & 7 combined count for it, I don't detect any "spending" category, but needless to say our priorities aren't the same. For me, an explicit "spending" line-item would be number one by a LONGshot... Anyway, to me Rudy's Kerrik-mafia connections are more important, or maybe his stretching of RICO back when he was a USDOJ-shyster, but whatever it takes to derail that media-beloved control freak's campaign ASAP is all right with me.
JMR

Good point. I forgot gov't sp

Good point. I forgot gov't spending. That drops those minor issues down another notch.

As for our priorities not being the same, that is why you belong to a fringe party, and I don't.

And maybe why you forgot sp

And maybe why you forgot spending and I didn't. But "fringe" doesn't seem to matter as much in light of today's MSNBC poll asskicking, because apparently America didn't forget spending, either... Heh heh heh. The media obviously didn't want it, as I've repeatedly shown on NB over and over, but the PEOPLE did something the news media didn't want 'em to do... Fun fun fun. I wonder if anyone in the media will deign to notice the weeks of bias I've been screaming-about against Paul? Or maybe MSNBC can employ the "solution" Pajamasmedia attempted to 0 media fanfare, and simply remove any Ron Paul choice??
JMR

Sarc, you make no sense. Try

Sarc, you make no sense. Try to type when you aren't all whacked off, ok?

Roger -  I agree with your i

Roger -  I agree with your issues and in that order. I do think that the GOP are trying to make sure that Iraq is not as much of an issue by the end of the year as it has been and that the overall war becomes the major issue. On both, Democrats will not be able to hold their own in a general debate. Anti-war candidates are never elected President - not even during Vietnam.

Ron Paul

As far as I'm concerned, Ron Paul is out as a candidate for me.  I went back over the transcript and realized that when asked about Scooter Libby, he said he should not be pardoned because he was part of the misleading that got us into Bush's 'phony war. '  The facts do not bear out such an accusation.

First of all, that's no reason for someone to stay in jail - despite being falsely convicted - because you accuse them of something else that has no basis in fact???  So he's really saying he doesn't want the guy pardoned because he doesn't like him!  Never mind the fact that the trial was a sham and a railroad job.

Second of all, how do you figure Bush would decide not to pardon Libby because of Paul's reasoning, considering Bush would be culpable as well?  Seems silly to me.

What do I hate most about Ame

What do I hate most about America? The fact that Chris Matthews still has a job, Rosie O'Donnell is considered "facinating", the fact that  CNN/MsNBC/CNBC/ABC/NBC/CBS still have such sway over the American people, the fact that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are never questioned....but I digress.

1000's of reputable scientists? Name one Matthews. I can say that 1000's disagree with global warming. It's warming on Mars at the same rate, so are we responsible for that, too? You douchebag!

"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

- President George W Bush September 2001 speech to a joint session of Congress.

What a bunch of maroons! But

What a bunch of maroons! But what else could one expect from the network that actually pays idiots like Matthews, and even more so, Olberman, to spew their twisted "logic"??? I guess the "M" in MSNBC stands for Moonbats...

The Closed Mind Builds Strong Barriers

We shouldn't be to surprised

We shouldn't be too surprised that there was a bounty of "Do you still beat your wife?"-type questions at this debate.

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

The interviewer should have

The interviewer should have asked them at the start:

"How do you want to make yourself look when you answer my one-sided questions? Do you want to make yourself look like a fool? Or a fascist? At least you get a choice, to tell the voters which one you are. If you don't want to tell them which one, we'll tell them for you."

What do I hate about America?

Hmmm, how about assinine negative assumptions like the one that assumes I hate something about America, after all, this isn't a DNC debate.

Next question please....

Sorry, but there is less 'doo

Sorry, but there is less 'dooNpoo' in the colon of a bull, than what came out of Romney's mouth, in response to that question. If you want to know what Romney is all about. Go to http://www.massresistance.com/ and see for yourselves what this, once governor of Massachusetts did to that state. Come on, let's not just vote for a man, because he wormed his way into the Republican party. ....Debra

What do I dislike about Ameri

What do I dislike about America? 

How about the fact that one political party has such hatred for  a President that in time of a war against the most vicious, bloodthirsty, brutal enemy there is, can call American soldiers Nazis and KGB thugs and say the war is lost, all for supposed political gain.

A couple of good answers to t

A couple of good answers to the Bill Clinton back in the White House question (though "You have got to be kidding" was in fact a pretty good response):

It would be great! I think he would decorate the White House beautifully by bringing back the furniture he stole; throw some humdinger parties; and work really hard to please the wives of visiting dignitaries.

or...

Oh, Bill Clinton won't be getting back in the White House. Even if Hillary wins, she's already said she's going to send him traveling as her "Ambassador to the World." You really think she'll let him near the White House?

ruby...ROFLMAO!Especially the

ruby...

ROFLMAO!

Especially the first answer for me...

...thanks, nothing like laughter...and would of been perfectly priceless!

Talk about a sound-bite and a clip that would of been replayed as much as possible...on some network that is.

This is all very funny, bec

This is all very funny, because of course there are things that these politicians, and all of you here, could find to dislike. The fact that more than half the population is against the war that you are for, for instance? That crass pop culture is winning out over Christian values? That it's so difficult to reconcile your love of free markets with your hatred of the MsM and what it chooses to produce for purely fiscal reasons? Wade being KOed by Roe?

Seriously though, imagine if someone had asked "What do you love most about America?" That sounds like a question for a junior beauty pageant contestant. The line of questioning here allows the candidates the opportunity to identify major problems they would like to work on and takes for granted that the country isn't perfect; the burden of doing so is thus off the candidate. Only a fool would reply "Nothing, this country is perfect."

Back to your regularly scheduled outrage...

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

Great post Rupert.  A nice b

Great post Rupert.  A nice breath of fresh air on an otherwise stagnant Friday afternoon.

I never thought of that.  How you can love the free market but hate the MSM.  Does seem to be very counterintuitive doesn't it?

Hi Rup and Leon...How y'all d

Hi Rup and Leon...

How y'all doin' ?

Hangin' on to the edge of the cliff still....

LMAO!

I don't even know what that m

I don't even know what that means. 

Sweet comeback BT, I'd better

Sweet comeback BT, I'd better go re-evaluate my position now. You've given me a lot to think about.

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

LOL, but did you really expec

LOL, but did you really expect anything more? 

It wouldn't be a bad idea for you lay those questions out in the open thread and see if you get any meaningful responses.

Be careful not to let loose w

Be careful not to let loose with both hands at once...

LOL...

Nope, still not getting it. 

Nope, still not getting it.  Perhaps it's just going over my head.  Should I stand up? 

"I'm liberal, but to a

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free."

Well, I'm a libertarian, and I want everyone to be free, too, but not just to a degree. I want them to be free 100%.

Anything less is not freedom.

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.

Hear Hear.  Well said.I didn

Hear Hear.  Well said.

I didn't know you were a libertarian.  That's interesting.  I had you pegged as a regular old new age conservative (i say new age, because true conservatism died with this administration).

Good to know.  Now i can read your posts in a more accurate context.

"true conservatism die

"true conservatism died with this administration"

Said the liberal.

Isn't it nice how libs are so willing and helpful to decide what true conservatism is?

And where exactly did Leon pr

And where exactly did Leon profess his liberalism?

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

Man, you are dishing out the

Man, you are dishing out the laughs today. Or are you unintentionally being stupid?

Am I wrong?  Big government

Am I wrong?  Big government and rampant spending seem to be the antithesis of conservatism.

Furthermore, I fail to see how my political leanings have any impact on the truth of my statement.

because true conservat

because true conservatism died with this administration

Just like classical liberalism, which was based on the libertarian model, pretty much died shortly after Willie Jeff took office, and has since been replaced with modern liberalism (which is based primarily on the Marxist/Leninist model) and is now in control of the Democrat Party.

While I agree that GWB is certainly no true conservative in the mould of Ronald Reagan, I wouldn't count them out just yet, as I believe that true conservatism is still alive and well in this country and that language, borders and culture still mean a great deal to a majority of Americans. I continue to see that reflected in much of the polling data flying around out there. The only problem is, for the time being at least, the leadership of both major parties (politicians all) sees those illegals coming north as future votes, and thus aren't listening. I believe that will change.

For the moment, the liberal MSM is doing all it can to promote RINOs like McCain, Guliani and others, but the next election is still a long way off.

If Fred Thompson, Newt, Tancredo and a few others oriented towards the true conservative side of the spectrum jump in in a serious way, either as candidates, or in Newt's case as an advisor, we just may have a whole new ballgame on our hands.

Personally, I think the dems are scared to death of a Fred Thompson candidacy, which is why their dogwashers in the MSM are falling all over themselves promoting RINOs.

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.

Time for Dave R's lesson in

Time for Dave R's lesson in syntax. "to a degree" refers to the clause "I'm liberal." Note how both parts of the sentence precede the semi-colon. Thus, the sentiment is that an excess of liberalism does NOT allow everyone to be free. "To a degree" does not have any bearing on the extent to which each person actually is free.

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

There are nuances to it, to

There are nuances to it, to be sure, but it does seem as though an Ayn Rand-esque feeling toward capitalism is all well and good around here until the free market happens to step out of the conservative line.

Case in point: Imus. If you believe he was fired because the company is such a bastion of political correctness and racial harmony, I got a bridge to sell ya.

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

The most interesting aspect

The most interesting aspect of many Americans  is their incredible ability to ignore blatant hypocrisies.  This free market example is perfect.  We want the market to drive all things, but as soon as the market presents us with ideas that go against our beliefs, we want them to stop. 

I don't get it.  I'm interested to see if anyone actually attempts to respond to your post or if they'll simply attack you.  While I'd like to hear an explanation for this clear hypocrisy, I'm sure we won't get it.

Haha, well since my post ap

Haha, well since my post apparently resembles a burning flag and an effigy, I guess we got as good an answer as we're gonna. Seriously, in the past, the conservatives on here have usually at least engaged with the content of my posts, however ham-fistedly. And this one wasn't even inflammatory!

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

Well your questions are dead

Well your questions are dead on, and one of the most interesting parts of your post is what triggered it.  Why is asking a presidential candidate what he dislikes most about America so offensive? 

Are they not supposed to dislike anything?  Why would I want a president that doesn't  thing that there is any need for change at all?  Certainly he can't think we've reached optimal performance in America. 

It's wrong because a) it wa

It's wrong because a) it was phrased in a derogatory manner. You wouldn't ask a man "so what do you like the least about your wife?" in a public setting. It's simply disrespectful to him and his wife. "What would you improve with the country" is a better phrase.

b) It implies a liberal mind-set behind the question selection. You are a liberal so your sensibilities are exactly the same as those who picked the question. The question is the equivalent of asking a Democrat "Give me some examples of how your party is overly suspicious of the free market."

Of course, no liberal media moderator would ever ask this question.

Oh please, now we just don'

Oh please, now we just don't like the phrasing? It's nothing like asking that question about someone's wife. Conservatives have plenty to criticize about, they're just afraid that if they actually use a negative adjective or verb in the same sentence as "America" they might be branded anti-American, is that it?

Oh wait, they invented that game!

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

1)  I don't see the connecti

1)  I don't see the connection with the wife question at all.  Asking about someone's wife is not the same as asking them about their country.  America isn't the mother of my children or the woman I sleep next to in bed every night.

2)  Ok, so how would you improve your country might be a better way to phrase the question, but certainly, it could be argued the person asking the question was looking for a more passionate, less political response.  What do you hate about your country?  It's a much more direct and personal question than how would you improve the country.

3)  I still don't see how this is a liberally biased question.  It is extremely vague, open-ended, and non-specific.  He could have said anything.  The example of the Democrat equivalent again is not even comparable to the original question asked.  The moderator didn't ask "What do you hate most about Bush's mismanaged war".  If he had asked this or something more specific, I could see your point.

Seriously,  I'll buy your argument that it was a bad question, but I fail to see how it's biased.  In fact, it's a perfect opportunity for any presidential contender to bring up a topic important to his platform.  It's a free pass.  What do I hate?  I hate businessowners employing illegal immigrants with little or no ramifications.  I hate people trying to tell me I can't have my handguns.  I hate homosexuals trying to erode the institution of marriage.  I hate activist judges misinterpreting the constitution.  I hate that the football season in America isn't all year long.  I hate that Anna Nicole Smith gets more coverage in the news than our brave troops.  I hate bus exhaust in July in Manhattan.  Whatever.  They could have said anything. 

I understand your confusion a

I understand your confusion about how the question is biased--it wasn't overtly so. But the question is very offensive to conservatives because our minds do not automatically go in the direction of America-hatred. We associate that with a liberal mindset. Many far-left "progressives" genuinely hate (or at least strongly dislike) America and what it stands for in the world. They think we are bullies and that we deserve defeat and punishment for all our sins. We conservatives passionately believe just the opposite. Though we acknowledge that our country has flaws and is far from perfect, we believe that the United States has brought far, far more good to the world than bad. Without the United States and its example of liberty and capitalism, a huge portion of the humans on this planet would have worse lives than they do now.

Though we may seem bitter and angry to you, conservatives are in fact optimists with a great deal of faith in our great nation and its people. Asking us what we dislike most about America is like asking us to turn our brains upside down. It was just a stupid and offensive question. That's all.

I hear what you are saying, b

I hear what you are saying, but it's a little over the top.  This sensitivity you're displaying, while it demonstrates your love of your country, seems to me to be a little wishy-washy and impracticle.

Certainly there are things you dislike strongly about America.  You're allowed to talk about them.  That's what makes America great. 

America-hatred is no more a liberal mindset than America-love is a conservative mindset.  You're fallling into the trap of generalizing based on stereotypes.  Everybody regardless of their political affiliations hates things about America.  From what I've seen on this site it's safe to say that there is plenty of hatred of America on the right, you just think it's different b/c it's hatred directed towards "liberal" aspects of America.

Asking you what you dislike most aobut America is like asking you to turn your brains upside down?  That's insane.  There's plenty you dislike and this site is a perfect embodiment of that.  Please, this is absurd.

It's all in the eye of the be

It's all in the eye of the beholder Rup.

It's so strange to me but I e

It's so strange to me but I even don't understand this.  It must be the canned response stuff I'm not getting.

I could be wrong but your comment doesn't seem to have anything to do with Rupert's post.  Excuse us while we attempt to have a discussion.

"A nice breath of fres

"A nice breath of fresh air"

Smells more like flag and effigy burning to me.

I think you are missing the point of this site. No one really hates the MSM, we hate the bias.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Right, and the so-called bias

Right, and the so-called bias, if there is any, is the result of the networks seeking ratings, which is a result of the free market, which means you still didn't address anything in his post...

Furthermore, you don't hate the MSM really?  Take a closer look at this site and try to say that again.  You might not, but most people on here sure seem to act like they do.

That is because the bias is r

That is because the bias is rampant Leon...as you well know, it is your side after-all.

Yep, still no idea what you m

Yep, still no idea what you mean.  It must just be me.  You'll definitely have to give a deeper explanation. One sentence is just not enough for me.  It's hot out here and I tend to get a little slow in the heat. 

Leon, you're funny. The ad

Leon, you're funny. The admins here just recently had to purge two years of data from the NB database for preformance issues. That data contained thousands of MSM media bias examples. There are still thousands more in the archives. Now why don't you leave bt alone and check the archives. I am sure you can find one or two clear examples.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM,  I never said there was

MM,  I never said there was no bias.  I said her comment had nothing to do with Rupert's argument.

Sure there's bias.  There's bias in everything.  I never said there wasn't.

"the so-called bias&qu

"the so-called bias"

The words you typed. Sorry if misunderstood you I guess I should have devined "rampant" from "so-called". *eye roll*

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Actually, earlier you said &q

Actually, earlier you said "perceived" bias, which definitely gives the impression that you do not agree there is bias.

You just do not think the questions asked of the Repub candidates were slanted, and it really doesn't matter. You would tell us the sky is green if we said it was blue. Your opinion on the matter is immaterial. It was supposed to be a serious debate, not bullcrap sensationalism journalism. Small wonder why Matthews' rep is as bad as it is. So You and Rupie's back-patting is all for naught, because your argument holds no water.

If the Dem candidates hadn't run like little girls from bad bad scary Fox News, and similar question were posed to them (they would not have been) the you and your comrades on the Left would have been apoplectic.

As for the free market working, it is true. Just take a look at the dwindling newspaper numbers and nightly news ratings. The free market is speaking.

Newspapers aren't dying becau

Newspapers aren't dying because of a liberal bias, they're dying b/c they're outdated and archaic.  Why buy a newspaper when you read all the news you can handle for free on the internet.

As for the nightly news, that's dying because people want sensationalism.  They don't want the straight style news they get on ABC, NBC, and CBS.  They want hype.  They want Giraldo, Wolf, Cafferty, Gibson, Scarborough.  People don't want real news they want punditry.  So sure, nightly news ratings are dropping but CNN, MSNBC, and FOXNEWS are doing just fine.

As for the perceived bias, I agree that there is bias at times, but I don't think it's always liberal and I don't think it's as pervasive as NB's contends.

Finally, this debate isn't about the existence of bias in the media.  It's about people on this site proclaiming love of the free market and then complaining when the fruits of the free market don't support their beliefs or ideals.  This is the point of the debate, and we should try not to stray b/c it's an important question.

Because it's wrong

Your last paragraph is in error. The second sentence is what makes it erroneous. As I said in a previous post on this thread, on this topic of discussion, the MSM is dependent upon the free market. The free market is not dependent upon the MSM. So, wanting to have the MSM to report facts, without bias, in no way, contradicts the love of the free market.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

Leave BT alone? She's the

Leave BT alone? She's the one who started attacking our discussion with remarks about holding on tight to something or other and not falling into this or that. In other words, disrupting without contributing

Isn't there a word for that around here? Troll!!!!

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

Well BT hardly needs help f

Well BT hardly needs help from me, but I was talking specifically to Leon who is playing a silly game of "I don't know what you mean".

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Yeah but I'm being serious. 

Yeah but I'm being serious.  I generally have trouble interpreting off topic, drive by flamings.  Call it a personal weakness if you will, but if you want to engage in foolishness, like telling us to fall off a cliff, don't expect much in the way of substance back.

I never said anything about f

I never said anything about falling off a cliff Leon...

I asked if you and Rup were both still hanging on with both hands...

LOL!

Come on...I didn't even want to mess with either one of you too much, I have been here long enough to know both of you.

Carry on...as you will, and always do.

Ah yes BT, you know us well.

Ah yes BT, you know us well.  I'm sure you could recognize my Times New Roman posting font from anywhere.  Spoken like a true blogosphere addict.

Ask for a raise Leon...sure S

Ask for a raise Leon...sure Soros and his minions can afford it.

Been fun playing with you...later.

You miss the point. This s

You miss the point. This site is the perfect example of the free market in action. As well as the blogsphere in general. There now is a force that can keep the MSM honest, so to speak. Example: Rathergate (memogate?) It was bloggers that blew the lid off an obvious attempt by the MSM to influence an election.

And yes there are plenty of people here that get passionate about the MSM bias, in most cases that's why they are here... passion.

If you accuse us of hate then you have to admit your hate also for GWB or just maybe conservatives in general. who knows... or do you call it passion too?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Of course this site is a perf

Of course this site is a perfect example of the free market in action.  Never said it wasn't and neither did Rupert.  The point that was being made is that b/c of the perceived bias (which is really just the networks putting on what they think will get ratings) people want to silence the MSM, people want to place controls on the MSM.  You see it all the time on the NB.  That's what's hypocrital.  Not the mere existence of this site.

Second, I don't have to admit anything.  What are you talking about?  I don't hate GWB, in fact I'll bet if I met him in a bar 20 years ago I would have enjoyed his company greatly.  He's seems like a nice, funny, interesting guy.  I just think he's a horrible president and I think he's made some disasterous decisions.  There's no hate involved.  If your employer gives you a bad review, it doesn't mean he hates you, it means you've done a poor job.  Same rules apply for my feelings of W.

He's seems like a nice, fun

He's seems like a nice, funny, interesting guy. I just think he's a
horrible president and I think he's made some disasterous decisions.
There's no hate involved. If your employer gives you a bad review, it
doesn't mean he hates you, it means you've done a poor job. Same rules
apply for my feelings of W.

Ditto

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

Okay

Fair enough -- you two don't think he's a good president. That is an acceptable explanation into your insights on this subject. However, in your opinion, who was the last good president?


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

I'm not sure.  I don't think

I'm not sure.  I don't think there's been an OVERALL good president in a while.  I think Clinton did some great things, but I think he made some horrible mistakes.  Same can be said for Bush 1 and Reagan.  Some pros, some cons.

So, no answer then?

So then you don't wish to answer the question as to who, in your opinion, was the last good president? Is that what I am to understand? Or, are you saying that Clinton was the last good president? Or are you trying to say we have had no good presidents? I am only trying to verify that what you're trying to say here. I am just trying to figure out who you think the last good president was.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

Last great president or last

Last great president or last "at least he's not God-awful" president?

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

Read it again

I said... last *good* president. The president named does not have to be "great", I want to know who, in your opinion, is the last *good* president.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

Soooooo

Am I to understand then, at the lack of presidents listed by the two of you, after ample time to reply, to which you have responded once to the question (but with no president names or clarification), and numerous responses elsewhere on this thread -- that neither of you think there has ever been a good president?


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

Mr. Bishop

you don't wish to answer the question as to who, in your opinion, was the last good president?

I'm guessing here, but I'll bet it was Jihad Jimmy. After all, his positions on most issues then and now are right in line with the Soros controlled democrat leadership that is in control of that party at the moment.

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.

"I think Clinton did s

"I think Clinton did some great things,"

Interesting, can you name any?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I was going to ask the same q

I was going to ask the same question, you beat me to it...I will be waiting for the great answers.

Constant 'B' rated entertainment is all I can think of.

Impeachment was such a blast.

I thought of one BT. There

I thought of one BT. There was that great big 4 billion dollar check to North Korea to insure they had enough money to develop nuclear weapons.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

LOL MM... Let's throw in thos

LOL MM...

Let's throw in those coffee's and tea's with the Communist Chinese...

After-all the Clintoon administration just had those for foreign relation matters....eh? 

Leon, wish I had more time

Leon, wish I had more time to play, but...

NB simply want's balance from the MSM. The MSM does not do that, even though they claim to. That makes the MSM hypocritical. NB just points that out.

Secondly, forgive me if I doubt the sincerity of your feelings for Dubya, but I do.

That doesn't make you hypocritical, but it does make you rather disingenuous.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

If it's really about ratings,

If it's really about ratings, then more media outlets should lean right. Fox News Channel has the largest market share of cable news channels by far because none of the other cable news channels are competing for their right-leaning viewers. If the other channels' leftward bias were a ploy for ratings, then they would switch to a rightward bias in order to compete for Fox's viewers, yes?

Your argument doesn't hold up.

The free market is indeed at

The free market is indeed at work in the media, but it's not as you believe favoring left-leaning outlets. Though left-leaning media outlets still dominate the airwaves and newspapers in sheer numbers, they have to split their market share amongst all of them. That's why Fox News Channel, for example, has  a much larger market share to itself. It has far less competition in the right-of-center market, so it enjoys the number 1 status among cable news channels by a long shot. The other cable news channels have to split up the portion of viewers who prefer a left-leaning news approach, leaving at least half of viewers uncontested to Fox.

No

The idea of "freedom of the press" was placed into the Constitution as a means of determining that the government in place, could not tell the press what to print, and keep them from printing all the facts of a situation.

What the MSM does, is distort facts, disregard facts, and selectively report facts, in an effort to mold public opinion. The MSM is NOT doing this in an effort to increase publication, they are doing it in an effort to shape public opinion. The National Enquirer does what they do, as a means to increase circulation -- no matter how outrageous their articles are. What the New York Times does, is not done as a means to increase circulation, it is done strictly as a means to attempt to control the thought and opinion, of Americans. Such is the reasoning they have expressed their anger at the availability of news online -- they (NYT) cannot edit what is found online, and they have no control over the contents.

So, to claim being against the MSM but supporting a free market economy as being "counterintuitive", you would be in error. Having a free market economy allows for the branching of media coverage, not the other way around. Since the only dependence is on free market, to have the MSM, they are in no way, on equal footing. Thus, you can support the free market economy, while hating the MSM and/or the way they report.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

chrisy

typical question from a typical liberal America hater........why are we surprised???

Conservatives sure do have a

Conservatives sure do have a sweet little monopoly on the business of deciding who's an America-hater and who's not.

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

When something hits you betwe

When something hits you between the eyes you usually wake up and know what the heck hit you...and believe it or not Rup, some people actually chose to fight back.

Hope that isn't too deep for you. 

Possibly

That is possible -- since liberals are the only ones to decide who is racist, who is "close-minded", who can best decide what to do with our money, who is allowed freedom (your side's own statements, as glossed over by the press), and who is not -- and the list goes on. I suppose, being able to decide who is an America-hater, isn't all that bad compared to the long list of things the liberals think they are the arbiters of.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

No argument here; the lefti

No argument here; the leftist response to Imus made me physically ill. Sharpton and Jackson are worse than any conservative in my book.

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

Perhaps

I am not a racist, I do not like racism, I am not tolerent of a single racist person -- I do not like Jackson, or Sharpton, or any other person who claims to be against racism, but is selective of their rage concerning racism (or who is racist). Racism, is racism -- and treating one person differently from another based upon the color of their skin, or their heritage, is racism in its purist (purist being a poor word choice, but the most accurate) form. It is the reason I am dead set against Affirmative Action. The policy was developed to attempt to provide corrective actions, from past mistakes. I think this line of thought is stupid, since it punishes me for mistakes I did not make. So, for me -- I am for absolute equality, with no special treatment for anyone. Yet because I say this, and because I think it is wrong to say African-American, instead of just American -- I am labeled a racist. Racism involves viewing yourself (or others) as different. I do not -- I see everyone as the same.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

Your tag line is a dead giv

Your tag line is a dead giveaway. You think you're being cute, but would it hurt you to know that your hero claimed to be a born again christian?

<edit> channeling Rupert: "I never said Bob Dylan is my hero" There I saved you some time!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Actually he is among my her

Actually he is among my heroes. I believe his born again phase lasted approximately two albums. I could care less, really, especially since I'm a Christian myself.

"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan

&quot;I'm a Christian mysel

"I'm a Christian myself"

Then you won't mind condeming abortion, right now and Roe v Wade?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Oddly enough

Oddly enough, those that support Roe v. Wade, tend to ignore, and in some cases, smear the architect of that case, Jane Roe. Some recent years ago (at most 3, IIRC), Jane Roe changed her position on the issue of abortion.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

I was sickened by the entire

I was sickened by the entire thing.  The fact that the Dems got a softball pitcher like Brian Williams and the GOP got that bomb thrower Chris Matthews drove me nuts.  I would love to see the Dems have to answer the effed up questions that were asked last night.  Some of them were down right inappropriate and borderline offensive.  It was shameful.

CNN poll - not what they expected I'll bet

Funny thing today - CNN's current top story is that death by leathal injection is cruel and unusual punishment - with the lead story of some loser on death row in Alabama who's "scared" of how he's going to die - that's not the funny part though.  The funny part is they have a poll asking "

Is lethal injection a cruel and unusual punishment?" and the current anwer is NO by 81% -vs- 19% - That's Great!  But it won't stop them from pushing their liberal drivel - even when their own liberal site polls quite harshly against them. 

I find it odd

How can one find the idea of death by lethal injection to be cruel and unusual? The very first injection given, is a very powerful pain numbing medication. If you want cruel and unusual, try a vasectomy with complete feeling after a dozen or so injections of xylocaine because the doctor refuses to believe that you are completely immune to any "caine" derivative.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..