**UPDATE - 09/28/08 PM**
Barack Obama played the "me too" game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.
Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son's name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.
Radio host Glenn Moberg of the show "Route 51" asked Mr. Jopek, a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama's positions on the war, what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son's name on the campaign trail. (h/t D. Keith Howington of www.dehavelle.com)
Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because "she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan's name." Jopek went on to say that "she wasn't looking to turn it into a big media event" and "just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself." Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.
But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son's sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign soundbyte. This begins at about 10 minutes into the radio program. (Download radio show HERE)
TRANSCRIPT
Brian Jopek: Because of some of the negative feedback she's gotten on the Internet, you know Internet blogs, you know people accusing her of... or accusing Obama of trying to get votes doing it... and that sort of thing.
Radio Host Moberg: Yeah
Jopek: She has turned down any subsequent interviews with the media because she just didn't want it to get turned into something that it wasn't. She had told me in an email that she had asked, actually asked Mr. Obama to not wear the bracelet any more at any of his public appearances. Which I don't think he's...
Moberg: It has been a while since he's brought it up.
Jopek: Right. But, the other night I was watching the news and he was on, uh, speaking somewhere and he was still wearing it on his right wrist. I could see it on his right wrist. So, that's his own choice. I mean that's something Barack Obama, that's a choice that he continues to wear it despite Tracy asking him not to... Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and she didn't want to do anything to sabotage his campaign, so, if he's still wearing the bracelet then, uh, that of course is entirely up to him.
Moberg: Maybe there's a difference between wearing it and making a point to bring it up in your speeches?
Even the snow job that the radio host tried to pull off to cover for Barack's refusing the wishes of the family of the KIA soldier who's bracelet he wears doesn't pass the smell test. After all, now that Obama has made it a big point in the debates, I guess the silent observance of Sgt. Jopek is no longer so silent and Obama is back to exploiting the death of a soldier even when he was asked NOT to do so by that soldier's parents.
To pile insult onto injury here, the Mother doesn't even want to force the issue of telling Obama to stop exploiting her son because she wants to see him win the election. Obama is not only taking advantage of this brave soldier's death, he is taking advantage of the good wishes of the man's Mother who doesn't want to hurt the campaign.
And, why is the media not playing this story? The radio show on which this interview is heard happened all the way back in March. How is it the media missed this? Is it because they are also don't want to hurt Obama's campaign?
I can only say that if the parents of the soldier whose bracelet John McCain is wearing had said in public that they want him to stop wearing their son's bracelet the news would have been coast to coast, and wall to wall, not just ignored in Madison, Wisconsin.
Obama's use of this soldier that fell in the line of duty is tainted by his ambition and callousness. And the media is letting him get away with it.
**UPDATE**
Jopek Mother Confirms She Asked Obama NOT To Use Bracelet in Campaign
This afternoon the Associated Press was at last able to contact Tracy Jopek, mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek, the KIA soldier on the bracelet that Barack Obama is using on the campaign trail. Ryan's Mother is confirming that she gave the bracelet to Mr. Obama, but is also confirming that she asked him to stop using her son's name on the campaign.
After Tracy Jopek gave Sen. Barack Obama a bracelet in honor of her son who was killed in Iraq, she asked Obama not to mention the bracelet on the campaign trail.
She did, however, claim that she was "satisfied" with how Obama discussed the bracelet in the presidential debates last week.
But, we have another little mystery with these AP reports. The original headline for this report was "Soldier's mother 'ecstatic' about Obama's bracelet," released at about 7PM the evening of the 28th. But a few hours later, the AP changed it to "Soldier's mom defends Obama's mention of bracelet."
Apparently, Jopek's mother did NOT say she was "ecstatic" about Obama continuing to use her son's name on the campaign trail even after she told him to stop. The AP had to change its headline to reflect the truth.
The fact remains, the woman has repeated that she asked Obama not to mention her son on the campaign trail and this AP report confirms that. Will Obama stop using her son, now that we are sure she said she wanted him to stop?
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It's just "BLING" to Obama
September 28, 2008 - 03:32 ET by Jack HermanI said on a previous post that he could care less about this soldier.
This is simply another political prop to Obama. What a friggin' coward.
You did. And I had been
September 28, 2008 - 05:59 ET by Jack BauerYou did. And I had been giving him the benefit of the doubt in deferrence to the wishes of the grieving family.
Not any more. What a ----- oh, I really don't want to write my expletive here. Urggghhh. Puke inducing.
That poor mother.
Well, Jack, you have to
September 28, 2008 - 06:16 ET by motherbeltWell, Jack, you have to realize that the mother asked him not to wear the bracelet because she thought it might hurt him if he did.
The father said
despite Tracy asking him not to... Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and
she didn't want to do anything to sabotage his campaign, so, if he's
still wearing the bracelet then, uh, that of course is entirely up to
him.
That's different from saying that it would dishonor her son if he did. And it sounds like the father is saying that if Obama thinks it will help instead of hurt, that's his choice.
I took a different
September 28, 2008 - 07:57 ET by dmntd1I took a different inference from that.
I think she didn't want to hurt his campaign by making a big deal of asking him not to wear it. THAT would hurt his campaign a lot more than the actual wearing/not wearing of the bracelet. Could you imagine the backlash from the military-supporting-moderate-democrats if the mother of a Soldier that died in action asked him not to wear a reminder of the Soldier?
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Agreed
September 28, 2008 - 08:08 ET by Warner Todd HustonI agree. I think that is how she meant it. If she, the Mother, makes a big deal about that she wants Obama to stop wearing her son's bracelet THAT would cause embarrassment to Obama and hurt his campaign.
I think that is pretty clear,r eally.
THough, knowing liberals the
September 28, 2008 - 09:08 ET by BDTHough, knowing liberals the way I do, it is possible she wanted him to have NO connection to anything related to the military - feeling it would contaminate his chances.
Face it, honest liberals DETEST those of us in the military.
False claims...
September 28, 2008 - 09:32 ET byBD,
Face it, honest liberals DETEST those of us in the military.
The ones I know, detest the war in Iraq not the soldiers who have been sent for a mistake. I would have said nothing if you had stated-"In my opinion,...".
Plus, I would love to hear from the mother who gave the bracelet to Obama-man then the ex-husband who is stating his opinion on his ex-wife's actions. How many husbands oppose their wives actions and vice-versa? Now throw in ex-spouses' opinions opposing their ex's actions?
Ubercon
So, Uber
September 28, 2008 - 09:39 ET by MrDebateryou are saying the Father's wishes for Obama not to use the bracelet mean nothing? I guess you are a feminist. Only the woman's wishes have any value.
Not at all...
September 28, 2008 - 12:53 ET byMrD,
Pops didn't give him the bracelet...in his OPINION he has stated he would like to see Obama-man stop wearing it. The bracelet was given by...wait for it...his EX-wife.
Pops can turn blue in the face and stomp his feet for all I care. The fact remains Pops did not give the gift to Obama. Logic rules the day. If I were Obama-man, I'd give Mom a call and ask for her insight and opinion on continuing to wear the bracelet.
Ubercon
Read it again
September 28, 2008 - 16:15 ET by AFCloneHe stated that in an email from his ex-wife, that SHE had asked Obama not to wear the bracelet. SHE didn't want it to turn into a campaign event.
NewsBusters are wrong again:
September 28, 2008 - 22:11 ET by BobJohnsonYou guys are wrong again, the soldier's mother said that she was 'ecstatic' that Obama mentioned her son and the story of her giving him the braclett during the debate after McCain used the soldiers bracelet as a prop:
http://hosted.ap.org...
Damn good news!
September 28, 2008 - 22:16 ET byThis thread is now officially DEAD.
WTH...UPDATE?!?
Tough pill...oh well...
Ubercon
Uber
September 28, 2008 - 22:21 ET by BlondeWTH doesn't live here, fella.
What do you not understand about "change" OBot?
Time flows....the mother clarifies.
Time to grow up, Uber. If you can....Odumbo's "me too" comment was about a second grader's reply.
Oh well.
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Blonde... I noticed the
September 28, 2008 - 22:27 ET by Clear thinkerBlonde...
I noticed the same thing. Gee, do you think Uber may give Warner a break considering that this report of the Mother only came out 2 hours ago? Uber is definately not a conservative, he just plays one on the internet.
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No Way, Clear.
September 28, 2008 - 22:36 ET by BlondeThese liberals are like four year old children.
Let me tell you a little story.
Once upon a time, my parents lived in a lovely condo, on the first floor....with a lovely patio. My ex and I used to stop by for drinks occasionally.
One night, we were out on the patio, having a nice little toddy and pleasant conversation. When we heard the four year old upstairs, whine. Her name was Jerrica.
"I want my dinner, and I want it noooooowwww!"
Every time I see a liberal whine, I think of Jerrica.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
No problem...
September 28, 2008 - 22:41 ET byOhhh, Blonde...
This entire article was about the wishes of the "family", yet, it was the ex-husband's opinion. WTH was only trying to use the ex-husband's view as a substitute for the family. I had said early in the day this was BS until the mother was heard. She voiced her reason for the bracelet and set the record straight. WTH was wrong and those who supported and argued for his position were also proven wrong. Go ahead with the comments, they will only prove your ignorance and bias.
Übercon
Actually
September 28, 2008 - 22:48 ET by Warner Todd HustonActually you are a liar.
The woman has CONFIRMED she asked Obama NOT to use her son on the campaign trial. He still is.
Sorry, you lose. Go troll somewhere else.
Tsk, tsk...
September 28, 2008 - 23:42 ET byWTH,
Thanks for the update. Wonderful bit of reporting by TheGingerMan. Liar?!? Oh please...you can do better than that...Warner, you made a claim trying to show Obama as a pandering politician trying to use the same prop McCain had used. For some reason, you tried to spin it into making Obama look like a fool by not abiding to the wishes of the "family". I thought the logic wasn't correct. Once everyone had their say...the truth comes out. The mother was honored by Obama's recognition of her son. Yes, it was a private matter between Obama and the mother...you became part of the "Internet Garbage" articles by trying to say what you said. Yeah, I'm the liar...(sarc on)! You got spanked!
Übercon
Once again, its a lie. I
September 28, 2008 - 23:56 ET by Warner Todd HustonOnce again, you are perpetrating a lie. I reported the story EXACTLY as it stood this morning. Certainly new info has changed that original story a little. But, I made NO misinterpretation and made no alteration to the truth as it originally came up.
And, on top of all that, my MAIN point is still 100% on target. She told him to stop mentioning her son. He has not done so.
You can try to spin it for you socialist side all you want, but you are in an obvious spin cycle.
Uber, this is true "Jopek
September 29, 2008 - 00:07 ET by Dan The Man 2Uber, this is true "Jopek acknowledged e-mailing the Obama campaign in February asking that
the presidential candidate not mention her son in speeches or debates" and is a matter of record. The Mom is being a typical Obamabot and covering for him by saying it was OK for Obama to use her son as a prop. This is retroactive Uber and it in no way invalidates the original premise.
The bracelet McCain was given is a not a prop, a prop is like the flags the Dems threw away or like the medals Lurch threw away or like the flag pin on Obama's lapel. In fact in my opinion any of American symbols are props for Obama and the leftist crew.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Such desperation!
September 29, 2008 - 06:42 ET by Indiana Joe"Jopek acknowledged e-mailing the Obama campaign in February asking that the presidential candidate not mention her son in speeches or debates"
That pretty much puts the lie to your stupid "opinion" argument, doesn't it, Ube? The father was relating a fact. And the mother has confirmed that fact. Now, it may make you feel good that mom has expressed her opinion (oh, yeah!) that she didn't mind Obama using her son in that manner, but it doesn't change the fact that Obama ignored her request, does it? Which is all the father said to begin with. "The entire article" was an interview with the father, in which he stated that fact. Geez, can't you read?
Oh, I forgot. In your world, "facts" are malleable devices, capable of being re-defined and molded to fit whatever meaning you need them to fit. So for you, this is "vindication."
For rational people, though, it's just another part of the story. And it doesn't help your guy one little bit, spin as you will.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
This should settle all
September 28, 2008 - 23:28 ET by Dan The Man 2This should settle all "Jopek acknowledged e-mailing the Obama campaign in February asking that
the presidential candidate not mention her son in speeches or debates". What part of that do you not get? Now she issued a clarification that she retroactively approved of Obama's use Friday. So we are not wrong just proved right in fact and libs prove they have no solid foundation. Built on shifting sands.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
"This should settle all"
September 29, 2008 - 06:29 ET by Indiana JoeYeah, but it hasn't for Uberconman and GingerKid. All it has settled is to illustrate that they give the phrase "don't confuse me with the facts" a whole new meaning.
"Opinion" my a$$. That's the best they can do for new talking points? Their guy is DOA.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
False claims
September 28, 2008 - 10:10 ET by Indiana JoeSounds like you're assuming this man is lying in regards to what his ex-wife told Obama.
"In my opinion," I mean.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Sounds like you're assuming otherwise...
September 28, 2008 - 12:56 ET byIJ,
You can read it from both sides...until Mom states otherwise- No one knows anything. I'm following the logic...Pops has got an opinion and that's all it is. Let's wait for Mom to come out and prove us wrong.
Ubercon
WOW, Jason!
September 28, 2008 - 14:54 ET by Indiana JoeWait a minute. This is your definition of "opinion?" What "logic" are you "following?" What are you talking about? What "both sides?" Mom hasn't said anything, so what other "side" is there?
Nowhere does the man say "I think...." He says, "My ex-wife said...." He makes an assertion. He quotes an email she sent him. He's the only one that claims to know what his wife said. Not opining what she might have said or thought. There is no "opinion" in that statement. Words mean things, dude.
Now, could he be lying? Sure, lying is something people do. Why he'd have lied about this back in March is a bit hard for me to see, but whatever. But, if you are going to call him a liar, because you can't or won't defend against what he's saying, then have the courage to do it, and not dance around with some cork-screw definition of "opinion." If Mom wants to come out and say he's lying, she will. You'll just have to wait for that, if it comes at all. Then there will be two "sides" to this story.
Be patient. Maybe you'll get an early Christmas gift.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Indy Joe...are you talking
September 28, 2008 - 14:57 ET by JasonCIndy Joe...are you talking to me?
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Oops, lost my scorecard!
September 28, 2008 - 17:20 ET by Indiana JoeSorry, you and Ubercon have both been going through similar lingual gymnastics today. Got you confused.
That's right, you're the one who's been trying to steer the "housing crisis" thread onto the "recession."
Okay, I got it now. ;^)
<edit:> Darn, now I can't edit! Oh well, if Uberconman wants to reply, I think he can figure out who I was addressing. Maybe.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Guess I was wrong
September 29, 2008 - 06:47 ET by Indiana JoeGave him too much credit. OTOH, I see he's still pushing his "opinion" TP, and is now claiming "victory" because the mother has confirmed she sent the email he labeled the "father's opinion."
Wow, how exactly does one have concrete installed in one's cranium? It's the only explanation I can think of.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Ubercon: The ones I
September 29, 2008 - 16:50 ET by BDUbercon:
The ones I know, detest the war in Iraq not the soldiers who have been sent for a mistake
This is how I read it too.
September 28, 2008 - 19:52 ET by GregEThis is how I read it too. They asked him not to wear it, not for them, but for his benefit, as they perceived that his wearing it would have been a possible negative on his campaign.
JH
September 28, 2008 - 15:29 ET by DoktorFrankenAnd a very forgetful, insensitive coward at that.
How is it the media missed this? Is it because they are also don't want to hurt Obama's campaign?
The media is the major component of 0bama's campaign. That's the history being made right before the ignorant eyes of the Anti-Americans (Left) - not that a halfrican might be elected (more like selected) as President.
Some day the 'Free Press' will be made to pay for it's treasonous sins against our country. I hope that I am still alive at that time to witness the reckoning.
Insulting
September 28, 2008 - 20:12 ET by Secret ConservativeI agree that it is insulting to the memory of this soldier that Barack Obama supposedly wears "his" bracelet on his right arm "all the time" and can't even remember the soldier's name.
However, if the mother didn't want Obama to use her son's memory as a campaign prop, she shouldn't have given him the bracelet. That's what politicians do - especially politicians who are full of _____.
It's no worse than...
September 28, 2008 - 03:58 ET by The Detroit PopulistJohn McCain using his P.O.W. status as a crutch for a being a senile old fool. and for what it's worth, John was wearing a bracelet as well, and brought it up first.
So, who's politicizing the deaths of our military?
I'd say it is John McCain, or excuse me, Jaun McSame, the idiot who claims to be for border security, but has a open border advocate on his campaign team.
Who claims to be an maverick who's going to clean up washington, But has 8 lobbists on his campaign.
I could go on and on, the man's about as conservative as I am a Catholic. (I'm a Baptist...)
-Pat
http://www.political...
McCain is NOT using the
September 28, 2008 - 04:13 ET by Warner Todd HustonMcCain is NOT using the soldier AGAINST his family's wishes! Obama, on the other hand, IS. But, since the family of the soldier McCain is honoring is not against McCain's actions, there is no "exploitation" going on with McCain. Can't say the same for Obama, though. I also can't vouch for your integrity or reason.
A bunch of veterans gave
September 28, 2008 - 05:38 ET by motherbeltA bunch of veterans gave Obama a flag pin to wear, so that his campaign won't be hurt, and he honors their wishes.
A family asks Obama NOT to wear the bracelet, so that his campaign won't be hurt,and he wears it anyway.
What's up with that?
He honors the vets' wishes and wears the flag pin, because it will help his campaign.
He ignores the mother's wishes and wears the bracelet anyway, because he thinks that will help his campaign.
What a guy!!
And BTW, did anyone notice if Obama is still wearing the flag pin?
He was wearing it during the
September 28, 2008 - 08:09 ET by Seabeach4348He was wearing it during the debate. At least it looked like an American flag pin on the left lapel of his jacket. Funny that you should bring that up; I watched the debate at a friend's house, and everyone there remarked about it.
I saw that too in the
September 28, 2008 - 08:27 ET by motherbeltI saw that too in the video, but I couldn't really tell if it was a flag pin.
MB,
September 28, 2008 - 10:12 ET by Indiana JoeLooked like one to me, too. But maybe it was a different country? ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
But, since the family of
September 28, 2008 - 08:08 ET by motherbeltBut, since the family of the soldier McCain is honoring is not against
McCain's actions, there is no "exploitation" going on with McCain.
Can't say the same for Obama, though -WTH
True, Warner, but the father had a perfect opportunity to publicly request that Obama not wear the bracelet, and passed on it...said that was Obama's decision.
So I submit that if the family is leaving it up to Obama, there really isn't any exploitation there either. The mother didn't want him to wear it because she thought it would "sabotage his campaign." But apparently if he thinks it's a plus, not a minus, that's OK with them.
No way
September 28, 2008 - 08:21 ET by Warner Todd HustonI couldn't disagree more. In fact, I think he was pretty disappointed in Obama. Did you actually listen to the interview? You also have to remember he's trying to keep in with his ex-wife's wishes and not make a big deal about it. The Father was in essence saying, "Hey if he wants to go against our wishers and make this a campaign issue anyway, THAT's on him." Remember, he did say they didn't want to make this a big "media deal."
But, regardless of who is doing what, one thing is clear. They ASKED him to STOP it. He has not.
That makes Obama at fault.
No, I didn't hear the
September 28, 2008 - 08:31 ET by motherbeltNo, I didn't hear the interview; I guess the tone of his voice would add a lot, so I'll defer to you since you did.
I was also under the impression that they had not asked him to stop wearing it; that's why I said the father had the perfect opportunity to do so then, but didn't.
If they did ask him to stop, and Obama didn't, I agree with you.
Welll
September 28, 2008 - 08:46 ET by Warner Todd HustonIn the interview the Father does say that his ex-wife told Obama to stop wearing it.
Waiting on the EX-wife...
September 28, 2008 - 13:03 ET byWTH,
Could you please call her and ask for her stance on this most important topic, please? Wouldn't it be great to see Obama with egg on his face before Palin faces Biden? Ohhh....the Palin Perspective brought to you on Thursday! Gosh, I hope she reads some books and uses some mediums to gain an understanding of the world!!!
Ubercon
Ah, this must be the
September 28, 2008 - 19:39 ET by Indiana JoeAh, this must be the genesis of the "opinion" spin! See, the husband said that this was "her stance on this most important topic." Or do you trust WTH to relay the truth of said "stance" more than the man to whom she emailed this "stance?"
Nah, I didn't think so. So, by your reasoning, we now get "to see Obama with egg on his face."
Well, don't just stand there, Ubercon; offer the man a towel!
Couldn't resist putting the boot in. Okay, I'm done now. ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Well, then, that's
September 28, 2008 - 15:31 ET by motherbeltWell, then, that's that.
He should take it off immediately.
"John McCain using his
September 28, 2008 - 04:19 ET by ckc1227"John McCain using his P.O.W. status as a crutch for a being a senile
old fool. and for what it's worth, John was wearing a bracelet as well,
and brought it up first."
Obama is the one who couldn't even remember the name on his bracelet, but McCain is the senile one, lol. Sure, That makes sense.
Moron, lol.
"From this day forward, you shall be known as..stupid african."
How much time elapsed
September 28, 2008 - 08:46 ET by ThisnThatHow much time elapsed between the time that McCain said something about his bracelet and the point at which Obama made his comment? 1 minute? 2 minutes? Maybe 3?
And in that time, Obama couldn't look down and get the name off his bracelet, so that he could forcefully make his statement? This whole episode doesn't make any sense to me, unless Obama is exactly what a lot of people have been saying -- a truely anti-American, military-hating socialist with an ego the size of an elephant.
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How much time elapsed
September 28, 2008 - 10:20 ET by Indiana JoeGood point, TnT, and one that hadn't occurred to me. I'd say it makes him look like someone who doesn't think on his feet very well, though.
And Bush is too "dumb" to be president? But he is, twice. ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Based on this post I ask a
September 28, 2008 - 05:06 ET by Dan The Man 2Based on this post I ask a rhetorical question, are you an idiot? If you don't understand the difference between one family's request to not politicize their son's ultimate sacrifice and McCain's service then I want to tear off your head and ###t down your neck. You really push my buttons on this one pal. I saw your statement right of center and believe the center you mention is just left of Marx.
You are a poor excuse for a Baptist if you cant recognize the harm Obama is doing. Of course perhaps you are in the same mold as Baptist Jimmy Carter and he is the JC you worship.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Not hardly...
September 28, 2008 - 05:51 ET by The Detroit PopulistJimmy Carter was a Liberal Southern Baptist. I am a King James Believing Fundamental Baptist.
So much in fact, that I believe that Sarah Palin, if, in fact, IS even saved, is sinning against the Almighty God for running for Vice-President.
After all, the Bible says:
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (1 Timothy 2:12 KJV)
A woman's place in NOT in authority, but to serve her husband.
Now, who is the Liberal? Looks like the Republican Party to me.
Now vote for a real leader like Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr and leave that fake Conservative and his bull dyke V.P. alone.
Now watch these Kool-aid drinkers turn on a dime and call me a sexist.
-Pat
http://www.political...
Chuck Baldwin
September 28, 2008 - 05:53 ET by Warner Todd HustonI like Chuck Baldwin. I like what Chuck Baldwin stands for. I'm sure Chuck Baldwin would pray for you. I'm not sure many others would.
So much in fact, that I
September 28, 2008 - 06:00 ET by NewsbusterbrownSo much in fact, that I believe that Sarah Palin, if, in fact, IS even saved, is sinning against the Almighty God for running for Vice-President.
Okay, that's a scary statement.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
I concur....
September 28, 2008 - 09:12 ET by BDI concur....
this is why Paul instructed Timothy
September 28, 2008 - 06:02 ET by sentforth5to RIGHTLY divide the Word..Paul is instructing Timothy on how to run a church. If you are holding a church service NOONE in the audience (women or otherwise) are to interupt or insert thier own teachings.You are to observe church protocol and stay silent.
Many women in the Bible hold positions of authority...Philip's daughters were preachers...Deborah was a Judge over all of Israel...Jael helped Israel win a battle...Huldah was Dean of a college...I could go on but why shall I cast my pearls before swine?
Nice try...but NB has a resident scholar named sentforth5.
Nice try...but NB has a
September 28, 2008 - 06:31 ET by Jack BauerI enjoyed your riposte to the heart of that intemperate alleged King James Bible ranter.
However, regarding you parting shot: doesn't pride cometh before a fall? (Only gently joshing you!)
Jack!!
September 28, 2008 - 07:01 ET by sentforth5Why you be pickin' on me, Yo?? I ain't proud!! I'm sooo little that I rarely give my own pathetic insights..I am small..God is BIG...Now, you know I generally only quote The Almighty!!
God did not provide us with His Living Word so we could smack each other upside the head with It! (only gently defending myself)
Luv ya Mr. Bauer!
I hear ya sentforth! I just
September 28, 2008 - 07:09 ET by Jack BauerI hear ya sentforth! I just can't resist trying to be a smart alec. It's one of my many failings. God knows.
Jack, being a Catrholic I
September 28, 2008 - 09:15 ET by BDJack, being a Catholic I gotta ask....
Palin being SAVED? I did not even know Palins were SCARCE????
Okay, my feeble attempt at humor at 6am sunday morning.
BD, you are a Catrholic?
September 28, 2008 - 09:30 ET by R D HelmLMAO-Hey, I think there is a treatment for that, isn't there?
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
I would have to check the
September 28, 2008 - 09:42 ET by BDI would have to check the appropriate literature in the AMA listing....
Addicted to catheters? Or
September 28, 2008 - 10:30 ET by Indiana JoeAddicted to catheters? Or cats? ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Jack, I think DP is saying that Maggie Thatcher is going to...
September 28, 2008 - 09:47 ET by R D Helm...burn in Hell. :-O
Unless I am interpreting his comments incorrectly.
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
And Golda Meir - Gasp - shes
September 28, 2008 - 09:50 ET by BDAnd Golda Meir - Gasp - shes "Jewish."
BD, I guess in DP's narrow little world...
September 28, 2008 - 10:03 ET by R D Helm...Golda is burnt toast fer sure.
LOL-Maybe DP can fly over to England and convince Maggie to repent-before its too late.
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
RD -- Thatcher and Palin
September 28, 2008 - 10:39 ET by Jack BauerRD -- Thatcher and Palin are the real deal when it comes to women who've forged their own success.
Hillary Clinton is the woman whose whole achievments are based on the coattails of a man.
Must make the feminazis so proud.
Who cares if Palin is a
September 28, 2008 - 10:56 ET by JasonCWho cares if Palin is a woman? It's the Republican party, the vanguard of traditional values in America, who has put her on the ticket. I say good for them for being open-minded enough to even consider a woman as VP.
I recoil, however, at the fact that the Republicans are cynical enough to believe they can fete Hillary Clinton supporters by giving McCain a running mate who is a woman. As if intelligent human beings cannot distinguish between two candidates who happen to both have female genitalia. I recoil even more strongly at Palin's embarassing showing during her interviews. You all say Obama can only speak eloquently with a teleprompter? How about:
"...our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there— We have trade missions back and forth. We do. It’s
very important when you consider even national security issues with
Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the
United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just
right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make
sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia,
because they are right there. They are right next to our state.”
Could it be that Palin's isolation from the media has less to do with them not being nice to her - as if it's their job to play nice with a national-level-politics neophyte - and more to do with how badly she makes herself look? The VP debate should be a lark.
But this is not the result of identity politics or ideology. This is just plain alarming. I will not argue with you about whether Palin is a strong, independent, self-made woman. All indications show that she is. But there are thousands upon thousands of such women in the United States, and that is not an unequivocal qualification for V-POTUS.
And believe me, the Thatcherite comparison isn't helping matters.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Who cares if Palin is a
September 28, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Jack BauerWell her husband, I suspect. Then her kids.
Ah yes, of course. And
September 28, 2008 - 11:11 ET by JasonCAh yes, of course. And her ability to give birth and the organization of her chromosomes brings what to the executive branch?
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Well it's a CHANGE from the
September 28, 2008 - 11:26 ET by Jack BauerWell it's a CHANGE from the ususal, for starters.
Or are you claiming that a female's different life experiences from those of males would have no effect?
That's kind of funny, because wasn't that, until a few months ago, one of the mantras of the leftwing feminazis.
If not, why would organizations such as Emily's List exist? If women, per se, offer nothing different to men, then it makes no difference to have more women in politics.
I recoil, however, at the
September 28, 2008 - 11:20 ET by HermanoI recoil, however, at the fact that the Republicans are cynical enough to believe they can fete Hillary Clinton supporters by giving McCain a running mate who is a woman.
Can you back up this "fact?"
"It is from Alaska that we send those out to make
sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to our state.”
I guess I do not see how this makes her look bad. Especially since Alaska does house the fliers who do patrol the region.
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I've heard no one claim
September 28, 2008 - 11:40 ET by Indiana JoeI've heard no one claim that Palin deserves votes merely for being a woman. However, if Hillary supporters want to vote for her based on that, I see no reason to object.
All this talk of "qualifications" really puzzles me, especially from so-called "conservatives." When has a VP candidate ever been scrutinized from such a perspective? VPs are famously seat-warmers, inconsequential and nearly invisible. It's universally acknowledged as one of the most "do-nothing" jobs there is. People who have held the position have described it thusly, for almost as long as the office has existed.
McCain's age, right? Yeah, sure. My understanding is that McCain has about as much chance of surviving the next 4 years as anyone else. To make this argument based on an assumption that McCain will die soon is not just ghoulish, it's unrealistic and a clear attempt to hold Palin to some higher standard than any VP nominee has ever been held to before.
And, Alaska has long been our "front line" with Russia. It's why our DEW line is there, it's the route that's always been planned by the offensive forces of both sides, and the support installations keep that fact in the minds of the residents.
Just like West Virginia knows something about coal mining, and Oregon knows something about logging, Alaskans can be presumed to have some ideas about and interest in Russia due to their proximity. I don't think that's much of a stretch at all. If you live in Alaska, Asia is not "the other side of the world."
And again, why this higher standard for Palin? Anyone?
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Crickets
September 28, 2008 - 17:27 ET by Indiana Joe"And again, why this higher standard for Palin? Anyone?"
Yeah. That's what I thought.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Chill out Indy Joe. This
September 30, 2008 - 10:44 ET by JasonCChill out Indy Joe. This funny thing happened Sunday night: the weekend ended. And with it, the luxury of being able to respond immediately to posts.
Why the higher standard for Palin:
1. She has not done a single thing on a national level. Her experience, and I do not mean to denigrate it for what it is, has no demonstrable connection to national politics. She is a total newcomer to the national scene and thus requires scrutiny. The other three major POTUS/V-POTUS candidates have paid their dues in this respect.
2. When she opens her mouth sans teleprompter she says appalling things. Look at her two major interviews thus far. She demonstrates not the slightest understanding of the economy beyond hackneyed buzzwords, she still clings to this "I can see Russia from Alaska garbage" - and doesn't even articulate it in halfway competent English.
3. She is living, breathing proof that McCain does NOT put country first. Her selection is obviously for purposes of wooing certain voting blocs. If McCain had gone for substance/competency, she would have been way down at the bottom of the list.
And these three very important points don't even begin to get into her politic, her ideology, and the fact that her supporters doggedly insist that hacky labels like "Pitbull w/ Lipstick!" and "Hockey Mom!" and "Loves her kids!" - the sort of cheap identity politics which conservatives routinely accuse liberals of engaging in, by the way - make her in any way qualified to help run the country.
My prediction is that she will crash and burn on Thursday. And that is not a partisan comment. It is quite logically based on her obvious inability to speak candidly and to grasp major issues.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ Crash and burn
September 30, 2008 - 10:55 ET by Cool ArrowYeah, she might crash and burn.
But the media will overlook Biden's comments about how George Washington's response to the Boston Massacre was to immediately board the train to Boston (which only cost one silver dollar in those days), and rally the troops at Red Sox stadium.
But of course, the headline is "Palin Crashes and Burns"
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
Cool, while I had to laugh
September 30, 2008 - 10:59 ET by JasonCCool, while I had to laugh at that one, let's face it, Biden's mistake about the timeline of FDR's presidency and when TV was invented doesn't cause nearly the sort of alarm that Palin's schizophrenic discourses on economics and foreign policy do.
And it's called Fenway, thank you very much.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ Silly Jason
September 30, 2008 - 11:06 ET by Cool ArrowBack in the old days it was called Red Sox Stadium in honor of the unshod troops who were going to be marching through it before it was built.
If you'll remember correctly, and I expect you to do just that, Biden prefaced his statement about FDR with "A President needs to know what he's talking about".
His venture into sheer stupidity and ignorance was offered up as proof he knows what he's talking about.
PS: "Silly Jason" is offered as kidding in the "Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids" vein.
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
It was a gaffe. An
September 30, 2008 - 11:09 ET by JasonCIt was a gaffe. An embarassing one. And if the major issues facing the next administration involved the memorization of previous presidential terms and years in which major appliances were invented, I'd express far more concern.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
I find it amusing that you
September 30, 2008 - 12:28 ET by BDI find it amusing that you are concerned about Palins lack of experience at the national level. But are in no way concerned about Obamas lack of experience at ANY level other than hustling the streets.
No way Jason - Obama has not paid his dues
September 30, 2008 - 11:29 ET by Dee BunkHe's only to date had 2 interviews on Fox which is the only network to ask him anything substantial. And even though they asked him some tough questions, they were not the sophomoric unprofessional ones asked by Gibson or Couric for the sole purpose of "Gotcha'.
Obama hasn't been asked to recount Biden's record on Regulating Fannie and Freddie or even asked about the fact that he received more money than everyone but Dodd from them despite only having been in the senate a short time. He isn't asked about all of his changes in positions. He isn't asked about his nefarious connections to Chicago politicians, ACORN, Ayers and Resco. He has not been vetted at all.
Palin has not made any misstatements of fact like Obama and Biden have. When the Russian Georgia conflict happened Obama sounded like a complete idiot. He sounded like an idiot at the Saddleback debate. She has been a little rigid and not relaxed but has not stumbled as much as Obama and Biden. With her it's understandable because the media have treated her in a despicably partisan fashion. She said nothing wrong at all in her bailout question. She was evasive just as Obama and McCain were with a similar question in the debate.
Her living close to Russia and Canada isn't much experience but the point is it's more than Obama has. She has dealt with border, trade and security issues with these countries and she is responsible for a National Guard. Obama has absolutely nothing. If you think Palin doesn't have enough foreign policy experience then you surely have to be in horror about Obama's.
You are so brainwashed by pop culture and people who don't know what they are talking about. There is no way that you should have such a negative opinion of her unless you were brainwashed. Disagree with her policies - fine - but to attack her for these media, Hollywood and left wing made stupid things is outrageous.
Jack, I agree.
September 30, 2008 - 00:47 ET by R D HelmI consider Thatcher to be one of the greatest leaders of our time.
As for Palin, though her launch has been a little shakey (hell, I would be nearly speechless where I in her shoes) I think she will do quite well before this is over.
-Besides, I consider her to be the female version of Ted Nugent, who is probably the last "real" American out there. :-)
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
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Dave, I Concur As Well!
September 30, 2008 - 00:54 ET by Asian ConExpectations have been so lowered, thanks to the MSM, she's going to knock it out the park this Thursday. Sarahcuda vs. The Gaffeman. Just waiting to see Joe ask another paraplegic to stand up.
"Americans, in the final analysis, want a strong economy and wish to live in safety and security. So the choice is simple. It's McCain." - Larry Elder
And does the King James
September 28, 2008 - 06:14 ET by Jack BauerAnd does the King James Bible sanction your use of offensive language against a loving and faithful wife, and a mother of five children? Such as calling her a "bull dyke."
I believe that phrase refers to some sort of "lesbian." As she has been happily married for over 20 years to a man, I fail to see how you can make an accusation that many may find scandalous.
Doesn not the Lord's Prayer inform us all to "forgive those who tresspass against us?" Clearly in your mind, Mrs Palin has trespassed against you.
Not that I think Sarah Palin needs your forgiveness on any level; but your uncharitable words do not sound very forgiving to me.
Paul says: But "I" suffer
September 28, 2008 - 06:19 ET by motherbeltPaul says:
But "I" suffer not a woman to teach.....etc.
That was HIS opinion, and in keeping with the mores of the times.
He never said it was God's law.
When Paul was stating his
September 28, 2008 - 07:56 ET by misterbee241When Paul was stating his opinion in his letters, he said so. Paul was not stating his opinion here.
And for a woman to be in slience, the Greek word means "quietness." So they are to learn in quietness. This could be applied to a lot of men in the church too.
And for the record, as a conservative, fundamental if you prefer, I dont hate women. Women are the pillars of every SB church I've been in. If not for the women covering for a lot of lazy men, the Baptist churches would collapse. And if the lazy men would step up and do the job they're supposed to do, the women wouldnt have to do it.
fake Conservative and his bull dyke V.P. alone.
September 28, 2008 - 07:18 ET by Dan_WatsonYou sir are one sad excuse for a Christian, if you are even human. I don't proclaim to be devout, but your attacks on two Americans who have the fortitude to place themselves into intense scrutiny to better the country are uttery baseless, tastless, and utter non-sense. Your characterization of Gov. Palin is case in point. You insinuate that she is some lesbian wanna-be, and that is what PDS is all about.
Freakin liberals, claim to be tolerant, but there colors show forth.
wow Pat
September 28, 2008 - 07:20 ET by candanceJust wow.
Sarah Palin is a dyke because she's running for VP? Um no, that's not name calling at all...
Oh, great, we have another woman-hating fundie in the house.
September 28, 2008 - 07:47 ET by R D HelmLet me guess, God only placed women here on Earth to down-load babies, do your laundry, clean up after you, and cook your meals, right?
After all, barefoot and pregnant is their only approved state, right?
You know, you really should actually open that Bible of yours and read it once in a while. If you did, you would find out there were many women in positions of authority throughout that time.
Or, are you one of those fundies that believes only what your preacher tells you the Bible says?
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
God only placed women here
September 28, 2008 - 09:37 ET by BDGod only placed women here on Earth to down-load babies, do your laundry, clean up after you, and cook your meals, right?
"But I suffer not a woman
September 28, 2008 - 07:44 ET by misterbee241"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (1 Timothy 2:12 KJV)"
Populist - this is Paul's directions to Timothy for running a church, not a government.
You'd better go back to your KJV and read it a little deeper. Try investing in a concordance or a commentary or even a New King James. A Greek Linear New Testament would be a big help, too. John MacArthur and J. Vernon McGee put out excellent commentaries.
Just remember - context, context, context. Text taken out of context is pre-text.
Besides, when did the KJV become God-breathed? King James was a wretched sinner like the rest of us. Any evidence he was even saved? I know plenty of King James-only people and I dont understand it. If you want the real deal, go back to the original Greek like I did. One other thing - the KJ translators did not have access to some of the older manuscripts that translators have use of today. And why did they translate "fish" in Jonah to "whale?" The Hebrew word is plainly "fish."
I am a conservative Southern Baptist, by the way.
Yes, Pat - i take exception
September 28, 2008 - 07:59 ET by misterbee241Yes, Pat - i take exception to "dyke" too. Is that the sort of Christian love you are getting from your church? If so you'd better find another one. Jesus never hated nor did he denigrate anybody and you are supposed to model him.
You give Christians a bad name.
I am a Southern
September 28, 2008 - 08:20 ET by Dan The Man 2I am a Southern Baptist.
So is the King James Bible the only authorized one? You do realize there were many errors in that Bible because of the sources they used. In fact any Bible is only as good as the scholars, source and translators are. I happen to like the New American Standard.
Paul was speaking to Timothy who had some women in his church who were trying to take over teh church. Women of ill repute. Therefore Paul also said something about women being modest and not wearing jewelry and makeup and wearing their har down and long. Keeping your head covered. These were to a specific church to correct problems in the church and some of it was because of the customs and mores of Jewish society.
God was never against a woman being a political leader or even a Judge, religious leader, as there were some in the time of Judges. There were also female prophets of God. This totally blows your weak argument out of the water.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
She's hardly USURPING
September 28, 2008 - 08:30 ET by GrannyGrump42She's hardly USURPING authority if she's asked to run for the position and the public elects her. To accept a proffered opportunity is to ACCEPT authority, not to USURP it.
Unbelievable
October 1, 2008 - 12:00 ET by doug1950I do not know what kind of Christian you are but you sound more like the Pharasees; someone who has a "form of godliness" but deny the power with a "fundamentally flawed" understanding of the Scriptures. You have interpreted the Bible to fit your own warped sense of Christianity based on Male dominance. I would swear you are closer to being a Taliban than a Born Again member of the Family of God with your "bull-dyke" comment. You obviously do not know what a bull dyke is or looks like.
You're either lying or uninformed.
September 28, 2008 - 19:01 ET by Mike BrattonYour being a sexist is way down the list, actually.
And being a "King James Believing" Baptist of any sort is quite a different thing than being a Christian, so you might want to check yourself before, as the children say, you wreck yourself.
The Scripture you mishandle from 1 Timothy refers to hierarchical behavior within the congregation of a local New Testament church, and has absolutely nothing to do wtih politics. And nowhere in Scripture is a wife instructed by God to "serve" her husband as you suggest.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Wow, President Bush gets
September 28, 2008 - 07:59 ET by dmntd1Wow, President Bush gets yelled at for allegedly not having a single dissenting view amongst his advisors, and Sen McCain gets yelled at for having multiple dissenting views.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill
McCain's POW status well deserved.
September 28, 2008 - 08:05 ET by XfreeXMcCain has every right to use his POW status, he earned it through his service and continued contributions to his Country. Something Obama knows nothing of.
Hey Detroit...
September 28, 2008 - 09:44 ET by MrDebaterIf you want to make a point bashing McCain(I have no love for him either, as a conservative) and using "idiot"(sounds like a liberal)...install spell-checker...it's lobbyist, you "idiot".
Isn't it funny?
September 28, 2008 - 10:15 ET by Indiana JoeWhy do some people (a lot on the left, in fact) feel compelled to add juvenile name-calling when trying to make a point (Jaun <sic> McSame)? Don't they realize it just takes away from any validity the point may have?
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Since they're running a steady deficit of ideas
September 28, 2008 - 10:54 ET by IamTinmanand principles, slogans and name calling are all the left has to offer.
D.P.
September 28, 2008 - 13:37 ET by larry on LIif you were of age during the vietnam war era ,you wuold realilize wearing a bracelet with the name of a mia or kia was an act of respect to honor that idividual. i think john wears one to thank those of us that wore one with his name on it.
It's no worse than...
September 28, 2008 - 15:50 ET by DoktorFranken. . . an ignorant troll. Oh, wait. They're just about the same.
Can we get a more intelligent class of troll in here, please! One that uses logical arguments instead of slurs? Facts instead of baseless opinions?
Anyone? I know 0bama's people read this site (and others) and even assign people to "stir up the pot" a bit. They are so obvious. They have a hard time finding good ones, though, and the volunteers that do not get paid are not of a very high quality, as far as brains go (and with those folks that's not very far).
"Save a thread - starve a troll."
Hey Detroit...
September 28, 2008 - 22:12 ET by Travis Noodle"Who claims to be an maverick who's going to clean up washington, But has 8 lobbists on his campaign."
For your information your "Savior" Nobama has an advisor on his campaign that used to work for Fannie Mae.
McCain, or McSame as you call him, has been there, done that and CLEANED THE FLOOR with Obama "types" - so sit down!!!!!!
Pat
September 28, 2008 - 04:25 ET by Jack HermanI'd comment, but truly your too stupid to understand.
There's a meaning behind those bracelets. The fact that McCain knew the name of the soldier on the one he wore, discredits your absolutely inept statement.
there is no "wrong" for osa..obama
September 28, 2008 - 05:06 ET by sentforth5Wacky Baracky is completely SATURATED with evil. All those surrounding him or supporting him are eaten up by wickedness.
Hey, I'm no fool...there is plenty of wrongdoing on both sides of this election, but you democrats are simply RIFE with self lusts and highmindedness against all that is good and decent.
If you cannot identify what is wrong with USING one of OUR fallen heroes to obtain power, then I am addressing YOU.
Mr. McCain is not performing activities against the families of any of our protectors, but this osama,uh, obama character has absolutely no idea who Christ Jesus is.
I've been a minister for many, many years and I know a duck when I see a duck.
Can ya dig it? It has gotten to the point now where I can safely say that if you count yourself as a liberal democrat then you CANNOT count yourself as a Christian.
You know...I'm just sayin' is all.
I hadn't wanted to make too
September 28, 2008 - 05:55 ET by Jack BauerI hadn't wanted to make too big a deal over this, because of the obvious assumption that, for whatever reason, the family had wanted Senator Obama too honor their son this way.
But this is quite despicable on Obama's part. Truly is. It's indefensible.
Jack, not looking for an
September 28, 2008 - 06:28 ET by motherbeltJack, not looking for an argument here, but if that's true, why did the father say "that's entirely up to him"?
If they were really angry, he would have said "and I ask him now to pleas stop wearing it."
And it remains that the mother asked him not to wear it because she thought it would hurt his campaign if he did.
Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and she didn't want to do anything to sabotage his campaign
Does that mean he could wear it if he thought it would be a help?
The whole thing doesn't add up.
But you can bet if this were a McCain situation, the media would be asking them if they wanted him to stop wearing it now.
mb -- to be honest I'm
September 28, 2008 - 06:39 ET by Jack Bauermb -- to be honest I'm starting to be confused about many things on this issue, except for one constant. (Which is why my initial reaction was to not make too big a deal until we heard from the family.)
And now I'm still confused.
Except, as I said, for the one constant: Obama shows once again that he is a Grade "A" creep, a demagogue and a heartless opportunist who will stop at nothing.
But has to be stopped by the American voters. I think we can mostly agree on that! No?
But has to be stopped by
September 28, 2008 - 06:59 ET by motherbeltBut has to be stopped by the American voters. I think we can mostly agree on that! No?
Absolutely!
I think it shows that he will use (and I mean that in the offensive way) anything and anyone that he sees fit to advance his aims. But apparently his fans are OK with that; his will be done.
Motherbelt: I listened to
September 28, 2008 - 12:06 ET by stratmanMotherbelt:
I listened to the recorded interview and these are my impressions:
Even if the mother and/or father were against Obam wearing/using the bracelet and their son's death previously but are now OK with it, that still makes Obama a cad for using it during the time the mother asked him to cease.
Not an Obama fan, sorry
September 28, 2008 - 05:55 ET by The Detroit PopulistI don't like him, he is a Marxist/Nazi... But McCain is no Conservative and Palin is breaking God's Word for doing what she's doing...
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (1 Timothy 2:12 KJV)
God's Word is not up for interpretation. Sarah Palin is inspiring Lesbians everywhere.
Some Conservationism. Vote for Baldwin or Barr in '08.
http://www.political...
I'm gonna feed this troll...
September 28, 2008 - 06:05 ET by sentforth5Thou, detroit suchnsuch, art treading upon thin ice in the Word of God.
Not up for interpretation
September 28, 2008 - 08:04 ET by misterbee241Not up for interpretation huh? Then who interpreted the Greek for you? That sinner, King James? Looks like to me you have no problem with mis-interpretation or mis-representation either.
I must assume that at one
September 28, 2008 - 08:28 ET by ricklailI must assume that at one time you studied under Peter Ruckman from Pensacola. This sounds like it is right out of his playbook. As for Chuck Baldwin, I don't know if he holds to the KJV only. He may have studied under Ruckman since they are both in Pensacola.
As for Bob Barr does the KJV tell you to support a man who supports drug use and homosexual activity? He is a Libertarian and that is some of what they believe.
You need to heed what misterbee says. He is very knowledgable about the Bible. He has helped me tremdously.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Soo..
September 28, 2008 - 08:54 ET by nwahsWomen have been slapping you around some eh?
Now THAT is funny, I don't
September 28, 2008 - 22:53 ET by RESTLESS 1Now THAT is funny, I don't care who you are.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Heed God's words
September 28, 2008 - 10:07 ET by CobraMan"God's Word is not up for interpretation."
Then you should heed God's words:
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3:28 (King James Version)
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Get a grip Bubba,
September 28, 2008 - 11:16 ET by IamTinmanThere are many interpretations of the Bible. The KJV is only one and who are you to be the "decider" as to which version is the correct one.
You like everyone else like break one of gods laws every day. The most common being "Judge not that ye be not judged."
Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi, Maggie Thatcher and a host of other successful women prove the fallacy of your petty diatribe.
Ohhhh Detroit...
September 28, 2008 - 22:15 ET by Travis NoodleThere you go using God's word for your own twisted purposes and what's worse is that you are taking things out of context!
Go away!
WTH -- did you pick up on
September 28, 2008 - 06:20 ET by Jack BauerWTH -- did you pick up on Pelosi last night?
Screeching on TV and questioning the "patriotism" of all Republicans because they dared even "question" the $700 billion bailout?
Maybe you could do a compare and contrast piece?
Apparently not only do Democrats think it's patriotic to pay higher taxes; it's unpatriotic to oppose Democrats and their crazy socialist thuggery/thievery.
Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.
Sure did
September 28, 2008 - 06:24 ET by Warner Todd HustonI sure did see her outrageous crap. Imagine, SHE goes around saying the WE are the meanies for doubting HER patriotism!
Wasn't that the same Nancy
September 28, 2008 - 06:37 ET by Ryan Mc.Wasn't that the same Nancy who said it wasn't fair to question democrats patriotism when they wanted to vote against funding the troops and when the dems said the war was lost? The republicans never even said they were unpatriotic just that they were wrong. I can't wait until that gavel is pried from her cold icey hand.
Obama is shameful.
September 28, 2008 - 06:41 ET by CrashAnd yet the left and the MSM trust this man with the secrets of our kingdom?
Obama: "Using the death of a soldier is ok!"
September 28, 2008 - 06:46 ET by ArchConservativeThis ass is no different than those who put makeshift grave sites in their yards or who list names of all those who died in the cause of freedom and try to imply that they all died in vein or would have disagreed with the war effort.
These people are sick and are using the names of loved ones for their own twisted purposes.
What about that old tired mantra "Not in My Name"? Well I'm sure that the vast majority of those who have given all would say that the war is a worthy and noble effort.
This crackpot should never be allowed to sit behind the desk in the Oval Office much less be allowed to be a US Senator.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Pat - Are you for real?
September 28, 2008 - 06:49 ET by Boss Marston1 - You invoke the name of Jimmy Carter (responsible for encouraging radical islamic pig terrorists in '78 and setting up the mortgage meltown way back in '77) and the name of King James (useless monarch), you profess to be religious, but you somehow can't mention the name of Jesus? What happens when you say "Jesus"? Do your cloven hooves burn?
2. You denigrate (not a racist word) McCain's service to our country. He's done more to protect your freedom to say utterly stupid and crass things than 0bama will ever do. 0bama's minions are at this moment trying to squelch free speech in Missouri, in the tradition of his false idols Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky.
3. Your trashing of women will get you a most deserved b*tch slap from NOW. If you think I'm kidding, be a guest on The View. You won't have enough cheeks to turn.
4. If you want to abbreviate the words "you are", try not using the Arianna Huffington style of "your". The correct way is "you're".
Pat, I've seen fewer people as pitiful and pathetic as you.
few more thoughts
September 28, 2008 - 07:00 ET by ArchConservativeJust to add to your post a few lines:
While John McCain served his country and while thousands of others joined the Armed Services NOT during wartime to serve their country, little Barry decided he wanted to snort cocaine all day
And unfortunately, the women on The View would always agree on trashing a woman if she was conservative. Woman Power be damned, if you aren't a raving liberal nutjob, they will punish you.
While John McCain served
September 28, 2008 - 11:09 ET by JasonCWhile John McCain served his country and while thousands of others
joined the Armed Services NOT during wartime to serve their country,
little Barry decided he wanted to snort cocaine all day
Gee, Archie, funny how that distinction didn't seem to matter in the 2004 election. And in that case, with an incumbent who actually did, unquestionably, use in his mid-30s, no doubt to take the edge off of his business failures. Obama's use preceded any sort of professional or political career. And besides which, having been born in 1961, Obama is too young to have fought in Vietnam at any point. What else ya got?
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Once again I must ask, "When
September 28, 2008 - 11:23 ET by BDOnce again I must ask, "When did service in the organized reserve become dishonorable?"
When daddy's connections
September 28, 2008 - 12:05 ET by JasonCWhen daddy's connections make it possible, along with basically everything else the sitting president has.
(I recently heard this gem: "Most people say Bush was born on third and thinks he hit a triple. It's more like he was born on third and stole second.")
And when, later in life, one's political platform and aspirations involve sending thousands of regular soldiers and reservists to the front lines; it is only an issue of personality and character, I'll grant you, not one of the realpolitic of Iraq. But it does stink, and Archie's bitching about McCain vs. Obama vis-a-vis the military (again, missing the fact that Obama couldn't possibly have served in Vietnam) comes off as hypocritical.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Mischaracterizing Archie
September 28, 2008 - 12:19 ET by Indiana Joe"Archie," as you call him does not fault Obama for not serving in Vietnam. He specifically points to those who chose to serve in a "NOT" war-time military, and how Obama made that choice.
To me, the implication is merely that Obama should be careful if and when he decides to be critical of McCain based on McCain's service in the Navy, being as Obama has no such experience to compare it to... by choice. But the arguments you are attacking here were never made in the original post you reference.
And, once again, Bush isn't running. It's time to move on. ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Thank you IndianaJoe. You
September 28, 2008 - 14:14 ET by ArchConservativeThank you IndianaJoe. You got it right off the bat.
To add to it: It was Barry who brought up the statement that he didn't join the Armed Forces because it wasn't a wartime situation. Any one who has served and felt the calling didn't care whether there was a war or not (I joined in the 1980s and retired last year). We joined because that's where are heart lies. It was an obvious lie by Barry trying to deflect the fact he has no idea how the military works, operates or what it even means to serve.
And I'll go back and say to Jason that President Bush never once tried to demoralize troops in the field. President Bush never once tried to subvert the mission. In wartime, President Bush never once tried to verbally assault a general and cut him down before he had a chance to speak to a committee. Hillary and Barry did.
Bush served.
Kerry served and lied about his service, dishonored those in his charge, pretended to discard his medals while still keeping the originals to get in with the radical anti-war Left, and went before Congress and testified against his own troops with no truth behind his statements.
Barry could have had a very distinguished career in the Armed Forces (even if it wasn't during wartime) but he chose another path in life.
McCain has never had to make up anything about his service. OBiden and Hillary both tried to be "heroes" by claiming or suggesting that they were forced down by heavy enemy fire.
Now, Jason, go be patriotic and pay your taxes. You can respond but I have other things to do than to keep going back and forth with you.
Oh by the way, have you sent your letter to John Murtha asking for him to resign over his comments about the Hatitha Marines? Didn't think so.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
De nada, Arch,
September 28, 2008 - 15:03 ET by Indiana JoeI've noticed today, our left-leaning brethren (I won't say "trolls" because they're not all that) seem to be twisting words' meanings, and posters' comments, quite a bit. Maybe it's the new "strategy," developed after weeks of "brain-storming" over at Kos and HuffPo.
It certainly seems all the rage today. Maybe I just didn't notice before. ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Weeks of Leftist Brain-Storming?
September 28, 2008 - 16:00 ET by DoktorFrankenThat would account for the slight increase in humidity.
I'm going to let the masters go after the "Vomit Comments" today. I'm feeling a bit under the weather (must be all of those aforementioned storms).
First, thank you ever so
September 28, 2008 - 15:32 ET by JasonCFirst, thank you ever so much for granting me permission to respond.
Second, some people do believe that joining the military during an actual engagement - particularly if it's one which they actually believe is legitimate - is different, or more pressing, than joining during peacetime. If not, fine. But not everyone is a natural-born soldier who "feels the calling". And again, 4 years ago, the right wanted very badly to promote the idea that serving in the military - in actual combat, at least - did not make one more prepared to be president. They were correct then, and it holds true now.
Barry could have had a very distinguished career in the Armed Forces
(even if it wasn't during wartime) but he chose another path in life.
Is this a problem?
McCain has never had to make up anything about his service.
Indeed, his service was remarkable, though it does not make up for what I consider to be his wrong-headedness on contemporary issues.
OBiden and Hillary both tried to be "heroes" by claiming or suggesting that they were forced down by heavy enemy fire.
Wait, what?
Now, Jason, go be patriotic and pay your taxes
Haven't gotten my W-2s for 2008 just yet, but don't worry, come March, I'll do so without feeling that I've been literally robbed.
Oh by the way, have you sent your letter to John Murtha asking for him
to resign over his comments about the Hatitha Marines? Didn't think so.
Is there some sort of relevance here? When did I ever say I supported Murtha? If I were a registered Democrat in Murtha's constituency, I might consider that my business. I am neither.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't
support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
That is dead wrong and merely legitimizes the right's appropriation of such bludgeoned-to-death terms such as "patriotism" and "supporting the troops". Those ideas used to mean something other than meretricious pro-Republican, anti-1st Amendment rhetoric.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
In regards to the last point
September 28, 2008 - 16:26 ET by AFCloneI don't know what you do for a living, but as a former Air Force member, let me put this into context for you....
You're at work...it's a mindless job, but it is a rewarding, often stressful, and keeps you very busy. After a while you notice a crowd of people, just sitting back watching you work. They start to critic your methods, your reasoning. They call your boss incompetent. This continues for several hours. When they finally leave, they state that "hey we support you, but not your job".
How does that make you feel? Worthless. Unappreciated. Wondering why you even bother.
Get it yet? Probably not.
Sorry you feel that way.
September 28, 2008 - 16:54 ET by JasonCSorry you feel that way. But American citizens do and should have the right to speak their minds about how the military that represents their nation is deployed. I don't approve of people picking on the soldiers individually, but to say that we should not be able to criticize a war that is draining huge amounts of money from our country and making us, in many people's minds, an even bigger and more desirable target for terrorism, because it might damage troop morale, puts the average U.S. citizen in a tough double-bind. Agree with the politician in power or you work directly against the troops themselves. This is pure, opportunistic BS. We have an all-volunteer army, and invoking the feelings of those who enlist in order to stifle legitimate dissent is a dirty tactic. I'm not disagreeing with you that it might make things a little harder, in terms of morale, for soldiers; but I'm afraid that that's simply an occupational hazard - though no more hazardous than having the current administration for a boss - of being in the military for an open, free society.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Jason,
September 28, 2008 - 18:08 ET by Indiana JoeYou want your cake, and to eat it too. You want to "support the troops, but not the mission," but when the story of the Haditha Marines or Abu Ghraib broke, what was your reaction? Honestly. Don't answer me, I don't want an answer. It's none of my business, really.
Be honest with yourself. Don't worry about scoring debate points. Don't worry about getting another shot in at Bush or Republicans or Palin or McCain or me, for that matter. How did you feel about the story from Haditha, on first hearing it? Was it "I can't believe our guys would do that?" Or was it closer to, "See, I told you, this is Bush's fault?"
Your honest answer to yourself could be a personal epiphany.
Look, no offense. I thought about not even posting this, because I know how it sounds. But "know thyself" is still good advice, even after all these years. I try to practice it myself. You seem to have a pretty good head on your shoulders, and I'm just trying to encourage you to use it for yourself.
You may think that guys like me get their ideas from Rush et al, but speaking for myself, I arrived at conservatism through my own thought processes, and was surprised to find that there was a whole world out there that was on the same page. I didn't even realize that what I believed was conservatism! Honestly, the first time someone described Rush Limbaugh's (who I'd heard was a "crank") show to me, my response was, "Really? There's someone on the radio that says that? It's not just me?"
It has nothing to do with "good" or "evil," with "caring" or "apathy." It has to do with methods, what works, what doesn't, what helps, what hurts. I (WE!) want to pretty much accomplish what you (THEY!) want to accomplish, by and large. Peace, prosperity, security, education. The real difference is the means by which we arrive at those shared goals. I push my beliefs because I truly believe they are the best way to accomplish that. It's not a football game. It's not a case of being on the "right" side, or the "winning" side. It's a case of what's the best approach, and I argue for what I believe that to be.
If you can truly say the same, then I can respect that, and I humbly beg your pardon for implying otherwise. I wouldn't talk this way to you if I didn't have some respect for you.
(I know, this got kinda weird. And about 3 times as long as originally planned, figures. But it was like it started flowing out my fingers, and I decided, WTH, why not, let's talk.)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Occupational Hazard
September 28, 2008 - 22:49 ET by AFCloneOccupational Hazard? Are you kidding me?
Let me give you a personal example: I led a flight of Airmen during a Memorial Day parade in Denver this past May. Most of the Airmen were 19 and 20 years old. One of your fellow "patriots" hollered out at us "Get out while you can!" I'm all for you writing your Senators and Congressman about this war; but the moment you open your mouth directly to a soldier, you step across the line. I would rather to listen to silence than that kind of crap. By the way, in 1991, I was spat upon on a college campus, so it isn't a recent thing.
When did America become all about celebrity? Soldiers don't ask for rewards; they don't ask for the special attention or any benefits for ourselves. We just like to think that America is behind us. But think about it....I mean really think about it. Behind us means your supporting us in a great storm. Behind us is not complaining about the job we are doing.
Oh, and by the way....every President in the last 30 years or so has sent the military out into battle. You remember "Blackhawk Down" don't you? That was based on a real story. That really happened. Who was the President at that time? Oh, yeah. Clinton. So you can drop the crap about "no more hazardous than having the current administration for a boss".
Trace Adkins said it best: "First Amendment? Son, the First Amendment protects you from the Government; not from me. You can say whatever you want to out there. But you come within reach of me, I'll exercise my right to give a good old country a$$ whopping."
That's very well put, AFClone
September 29, 2008 - 06:17 ET by Indiana JoeWelcome aboard. JasonC is not a bad guy, I've sparred with him many times here. He's one of the few lefties we have who really can be persuaded by facts, if you hammer him enough. He just has a lot of propaganda to work through.
And I really love your Trace Adkins quote, it's a great explanation for those who just don't "get" the Constitution. I may lift a trimmed version for my new tag-line. ;^)
See ya around.
Let your voice be heard!
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Thanks for the welcome
September 29, 2008 - 06:59 ET by AFCloneThe Trace Adkins quote comes at the end of his song "Fightin' Words" on the album "Dangerous Man"
Just my two cents
September 28, 2008 - 17:16 ET by I.am.DILLIGAFWhat about Granada, Kosavo, Panama just to name a few, or was 0bama to stoned for those?
Guns and Violence are not the answer but they are one solution to the problem== SARG
Obama told George
September 28, 2008 - 18:09 ET by motherbeltObama told George Stephanopoulos in an interview:
I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there.
And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it's not an option that I ever decided to pursue.
Which led to probably the Best Headline Ever here on NB!
Boss,
September 28, 2008 - 10:41 ET by Indiana JoeJust thought I'd let you know, I noticed and appreciate the fact that you say "0bama" instead of "Obama." Reminded me I meant to do that myself, then forgot.
Very good. ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Indiana Joe...
September 28, 2008 - 12:50 ET by Boss MarstonGlad you noticed....it's "Zero" problem to do when typing. Plus, no shift key needed!
Obama is absolutely disgusting !
September 28, 2008 - 07:45 ET by XfreeXBy ignoring the wishes of the family by continuing to wear the bracelet Obama is clearly out to get votes by pretending to care about our brave and fallen. The true fact of the matter is that Obama cares not for what is best for the american people but instead what is best for him and him alone.
A vote for Obama is a vote of sheer stupidity !
She gave him the bracelet
September 28, 2008 - 08:33 ET by GrannyGrump42She gave him the bracelet so he would "know Ryan's name", but not so he could use it in the campaign.
So he uses it in the campaign and forgets Ryan's name.
Nice job, Barack Oabma.
Spot on, Granny
September 28, 2008 - 08:57 ET by BlondeBHO is one smarmy SOB.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Well Done
September 28, 2008 - 10:04 ET by JoelCTI'm glad I read all the comments first, as your point was exactly what I wanted to type. Obama did the exact opposite of what he was asked to do by this soldier's poor mother.
I would bet that, if you walked up to him right now, grabbed his wrist so he couldn't look at the bracelet (assuming he was still wearing it, which is unlikely) and asked him the name of the soldier on it, you would get 13 'uh's, 6 'ah's, and a guess at a name, "Private Ryan".
What a creep.
Dad is speaking for Soldiers Mother - - Not a story
September 28, 2008 - 09:10 ET by JayTeeThe mom is an Obama supporter, and we have to believe the DAD is speaking for her ? Credibility suffers here.
Sounds like originally she was overcome by a Messiah Moment on the Campaign Trail, and gave BHO a Bracelet.
I honor the Soldier's Sacrifice to his Country, and my prayers go out to the Family. The Mom has to speak for herself, and make her wishes known, and I'm sure BHO would honor her wishes.
Without the Mom stepping forward, we just have the Dad's Opinion of her wishes. You know McCain's sincerity goes deeper than what Obama can EVER hope to profess, experience tumps words.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
So to you
September 28, 2008 - 09:12 ET by Warner Todd HustonSo, to you, like to so many in America today, a Father counts for NOTHING.
Nice.
Hope you don't breed with that attitude.
Warner T.H. that's not what I Said - - I'm just suspicious of
September 28, 2008 - 09:49 ET by JayTeeI'm just supicious of an Ex-wife and a Dad having the same opinion, as they do not agree even on BHO being President ? The Dad didn't give the bracelet to BHO, BUT he Certainly has ownership of the Bracelet, the name on the Bracelet, and can talk all day long about it.
I want to Hear from the MOM . . failing in that, this might be a BHO Set up for the MSM, with a Surprise ending. BHO did PLAN on using it in a Debate, I'm suspicious of any other "plans" (she might be a clone of the SF anti war Mom)
I am a Dad of a Soldier who enlisted right after 911 . . a first Responder. I am a GOE member, and I wouldn't Give BHO a Dog Collar with a Rabees vacination, let alone a bracelet of a brave Soldier.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
UPDATE - WTH is half right - - I was right to be suspicuous
September 28, 2008 - 22:38 ET by JayTeeThis mom is now "excited" about BHO mentioning her Son . . Hot Air is carrying an updated story on this.
The Dad will probably never be mentioned again and his wishes will never be mentioned again . .doesn't fit the MSM profile.
Bottom line . . Its a mixed bag for the family view of BHOs use of the only time He probably wore the Bracelet with the name that BHO had to look up.
A bracelet does NOT make a Surge Supporter.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
WTH, That's a BS
September 28, 2008 - 09:40 ET byWTH,
That's a BS statement if I've ever read one. The father voiced his OPINION of his EX-wife's actions. Period. Does his opinion count? Sure, it does. Is he the spokesman for his EX-wife?!? Doubtful. Unless proven otherwise...the father needs to state "In my opinion...". Until the mother speaks for you to state the EX-husband speaks for his EX-wife is ridiculous.
Ubercon
Damn, you are annoying.
September 28, 2008 - 09:50 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
Could this be a Nancy Sheenan Plant ? ?
September 28, 2008 - 10:04 ET by JayTeeIf she is a BHO supporter, she can't be in her Right Mind.
If the MSM ignores the Story for another 3 days, then I may be convinced that it's not memorex.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Once again,
September 28, 2008 - 10:50 ET by Indiana JoeThe father stated what happened. Now, you can accuse him of lying, if you wish, but state it plainly. Don't hide behind arguing that this is merely his "opinion." He was presenting this as a fact. Believe or don't, but don't try to mischaracterize his statement.
He stated that she told him in an email that she had asked Obama to stop wearing the bracelet. Now, in court this is known as hearsay. But it is not "opinion."
And we're not in court.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
the rise of the uberdick
September 28, 2008 - 11:03 ET by Jack BauerHey everybody. It's the fake conservative again, ubercon job.
He's such a conservative he's an uber-conservative.
Of course, when he first started posting he thought of himself as an "ubermensch," hence his posting of racist comments in the hope of getting actual conservatives to respond favourably. No doubt to post on uberlefty nutsites.
When that didn't work he reverted to liberal uberdick.
Being English, could you help us...
September 28, 2008 - 13:41 ET byJackBauer(real name? OMG!),
...from across the pond for some insight on how Socialism is working in your country? It seems we have become a nation of socialists by a Presidential decree. Also, since England has a state sponsored church could you explain why Parliament has allowed for the incorporation of Shia law in English society. Thank you very much for your kind response and intelligent insight on these American matters. I find it enlightening to have an English person's perspective on matters related to the well-being of American citizens. Thank you, again.
Ubercon
No thanks. Yawn. Vote 4
September 28, 2008 - 13:59 ET by Jack BauerNo thanks. Yawn.
Yawning right back at ya!
September 28, 2008 - 15:58 ET byJack Bauer(?!?),
Any royalties on the name in the series? Or do they go to the Queen? Save the insightful criticism for your own country...
God save the Queen!
Boy, I dropped a bollock this morning: Your mum had a Rice Crispy
stuck to her face, so I tried to wipe it off; you never told me she had
a wart. Bwaaahahaha!!! Gotta love the English for their humor...oops...humour!!!
Ubercon
Jack, Ubercon is corect on one thing...
September 30, 2008 - 01:08 ET by R D Helm...and that he is an Uber-con-job of the First Order.
-And probably the 2nd and 3rd as well.
LOL-Bet his red underwear (and particularly the star of comparable hue affixed squarely thereon) would make even Lenin Blush.
Sadly, Trotsky was unavailable for comment. :-)
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
RASPUTIN!!!
September 30, 2008 - 21:58 ET byGrigori,What's up?!?
I thought you had gone to the great "cyber" beyond. Great to have you back to spew your insightful and useful nonsensical quips. Truly this site's intelligence quotient had increased a point or two when you "suspended your campaign" and headed off to change your life. Great to see things working out for you! Hugs!!! It's a red banana thong, by the way...and I'm going for the casting call in the new Palin flick being filmed in Simi Valley! Bwahahaha!
Übercon
You are one inch from being
September 30, 2008 - 22:03 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou are one inch from being banned, is my guess. (I don't have anything to do with that dept., but I can see it coming) We like actual conversation here instead of your kind of mindless name calling. You are taking up bandwidth that more worthy people deserve to use.
Uberphallus, like I said, damn, you are annoying.
September 30, 2008 - 22:27 ET by R D HelmAnd as for the mean IQ here at NB, I suspect it will jump substantially once you have been relegated to troll hell.
Oh, and when (notice I didn't say "if") you get there, please be sure and say hello to hater for me.
You shouldn't have any trouble recognizing him, as he is an even bigger tool than are you, if you can believe that. :-)
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
Keith ...Rachel...
September 28, 2008 - 09:49 ET by harqmanI guess we can all wait for Keith and Rachel to rip him a new one on Monday.
This is absolute proof, as though we needed more, that he has no integrity, no morals no soul. Zero soul. Not even a whiff. I wish the family would walk up and take it back. Demand it back at the next debate. McCain needs to address it. Some one needs to mention this for everyone to see and hear.
I went back and forth reading this
September 28, 2008 - 09:56 ET by Indiana JoeI tried to give Obama the benefit of the doubt here. The mother did give him the bracelet. She is an Obama supporter, which most likely means she is against the war, and did tell him she didn't want other mothers to have to suffer what she did.
Now, she asked him to not wear the bracelet. The only reason I can see for that is to not have it be a campaign issue. My hat is off to her, because, as we've seen, many Obama supporters have a "win at any cost" attitude - when it comes to the campaign, not the WOT. But this mother had enough respect for her own son and the sacrifice he made to not want to see that happen.
I wouldn't consider Obama wearing the bracelet to be really violating her wishes. If he kept it personal, between they two, it wouldn't be an issue, IMO. I don't think the mother would or could object. She did give it to him, and didn't ask for it back. Wearing it quietly and privately would actually reflect well on Obama, and his sense of honoring and remembering a fallen soldier.
Now, it can be argued that McCain brought up the whole bracelet thing, and he tried to make political hay out of a soldier's death. But McCain was responding to a question about the worth of continuing in Iraq, and used that soldier's mother as an example of Americans who want to see victory in Iraq, not withdrawal.
The really proper thing for Obama to do, again IMO, would have been to make his points without specifically naming the soldier on his bracelet, or even mentioning the bracelet at all. He could have done that easily, and, in fact, could have scored points with the story by pointing out that he was not using a soldier's name to advance his politics. He could have made McCain look bad for exploiting a death for the election. If he had thought on his feet, that is, and not just gone into "me, too" mode.
And the fact that he had to read the name not only reflects as poorly as it seemed to me before I knew all this. It makes the fact that he wears it for purely political reasons all the more glaringly obvious. It seems he has continued to wear it, not out of respect for the soldier, but to keep it handy for this type of use, in direct contradiction to the mother's stated wishes.
(Just like the flag pin he wore to the debate, after arguing repeatedly that he didn't believe it made one more or less patriotic. Surprised no one seems to have made much of a point that Obama wore a pin, but McCain did not. I know, it's a losing isssue, but since when has the left recognized one of those this campaign?)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
A politician using a dead
September 28, 2008 - 10:56 ET by wiwfA politician using a dead soldier for political gain? Must be a democrat.
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Well, as I point out,
September 28, 2008 - 11:45 ET by Indiana JoeWell, as I point out, McCain could be accused of the same. But I think Obama is more open to that charge in this particular case.
At least McCain didn't have to read his bracelet to remember the name.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Chicago thuggery politics, I believe it is called!
September 28, 2008 - 11:00 ET by Cape Conservative"...This all makes Obama look pretty calculating and blood chillingly callous, doesn't it?..."
Mow them down - get them gone! NOW! Out of the way, no matter how you do it!!!!
That's Barack Obama - vote for him if you want America to become a TOTAL disaster!
McCain/Palin 2008!!! & VOTE FOR EVERY OTHER CONSERVATIVE RUNNING FOR OFFICE!!!!
0bama's Bracelet
September 28, 2008 - 11:03 ET by nandrelliThis is incredible. The man is an absolute a-hole.
The problem here is that we are basically "preaching to the choir". The 0bama supporters aren't reading this site, and the MSM is not going to publish anything about this, so very few people will see it. Hopefully, we might catch some independents, but for the most part no one outside of the readers of this site will know.
This is getting very scary, people. 0bama would be a very dangerous man to have as President. The worst part is NEITHER side could trust what he says. God only knows what he would do when it come to serious decision making.
nan
September 28, 2008 - 11:14 ET by BlondeObama & a serious decision?
He'd say "Uh, uhgh, ugh, uhgh...call me if you need me, otherwise I'm voting, um, present".
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
nandrelli,
September 28, 2008 - 11:56 ET by Indiana JoeI wouldn't get too worried. The cracks are showing. Little by little, drip by drip, your average person is seeing through the Oba-madness. They're seeing the empty suit, the position-shifting, the contradictions, the desire only for power. I think every time Obama says, "I want to..." instead of, "We need to..." he loses a couple votes.
It's percolating through, and by November he won't stand much of a chance at all. Just MHO, of course, but I'm fairly confident in that assessment.
For what it's worth. ;^)
<edit: Just noticed, you're an "0bama" versus "Obama" person too, eh? Outstanding! ;^) >
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
I like
September 28, 2008 - 11:51 ET by TheAssessorI like the picture. It looks like he should have a bracelet on both wrists.. only they should be attached.
"I have a bracelet too.." Barak Obama, political sociopath
Assessor,
September 28, 2008 - 11:58 ET by Indiana Joe" ...they should be attached."
Thanks, my first good LOL of the day!
;^D
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
My Pleasure
September 28, 2008 - 14:44 ET by TheAssessorMy Pleasure IJ. Have only been on this site for a couple weeks but am enjoying everyone here tremendously. You speak to my heart.
"I have a bracelet too.." Barak Obama, political sociopath
Welcome aboard, buddy. It's
September 28, 2008 - 15:06 ET by Indiana JoeWelcome aboard, buddy. It's a great site!
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Hannity & Mr. O'Reilly R U listening
September 28, 2008 - 11:54 ET by Lame CherryThis is an incredible posting Mr. Huston, thank you!
I posted here last night that I would have contacted the Jopek's, but no one with any morals would be doing that as it is a private matter in what they had done in a Cindy Sheehan grieving moment.
What I want to know about our good buddy Rush Limbaugh who reads this site is going to feature this along with all the other pundits, that includes shill O'Reilly and Chris Wallace at FOX as this is thee issue everyone can understand.
The liberals have non stop preyed upon women like Cindy Sheehan crazed with grief and then dumped them by the side of the road. Now the facts come out that stuttering Obama is abusing the family of a United States Soldier.
This is disgraceful, reprehensible and just another cheap, shallow ploy by Barack Obama, David Axelrod, David Plouffe, Hildebrand and our good friend, Army vet Tom Daschle.
Along with the National Enquirer taking down John Edwards for the Obama people what looks like a quid pro quo, when are these media mouths going to start relating the facts?
I love Michelle Malkin, but she is plicking away on her blog and the MSM shuts her out like everyone else. The Jopek case for the family's peace is an issue and for goodness sake Veteran's families, please learn your lesson about liberals in not caring a thing about US Soldiers.
Stay with Conservatives, because we have done everything to keep your brave loved one's alive and never forget one moment of your suffering or this nations beloved Soldiers.
CIB Salute.
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B. Hussein & the Bracelet
September 28, 2008 - 13:30 ET by BlondeHe's blathering on right now, at a rally, with his sleeves rolled up and the bracelet still on!
About how he & Joe Biden "fixed" this idiot bailout bill. I kid you not, the SOB's nose is growing on national TV.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Even if one parent asks
September 28, 2008 - 14:50 ET by harqmanEven if one parent asks that he not wear it he should take it off. Let's all pretend that BHO supporter mom still wants him to wear it and talk about it. But the Father does not. The he should in respect to the parent of a fallen soldier, not wear or exploit it. It is the dignified thing to do. You tell the parent that gave it to you "that you will keep and treasure it as a reminder of their son's service and sacrifice. But if causes pain to your spouse/ex-spouse/other parent and I do not want to cause them any other further heart ache. I will do everything in my power to keep young brave men and women like your son as safe as I can."
Then you take it off put it in a safe place and never speak of it again in public. If asked by the press you say it is a private matter with the family and it is not to be discussed and they have asked for their privacy.
This goes for both BHO and McCain. But McCain already knows this.
Jack Tapper of ABC is Running with the Story
September 28, 2008 - 15:15 ET by allanfJack Tapper of ABC has the Story. ABC Link on its website said "Foes claim ..."
just like "whitey"
September 28, 2008 - 16:51 ET by Jason AslingerThe media will sit back and do nothing. Then Obama will formulate his denial/explanation. And only then will the media report ... ie to report the denial of a story they never reported on in the first place.
It's sick.
Oh no he didn't!
September 28, 2008 - 16:54 ET by Travis NoodleOh snap!
Oh no he din't.
Seriously though - Obama has no honor. It's just all about him and his political ambitions. He politicized the soldier's death just to earn points in Friday's debate. What a slob!
Not so fast on the mom
September 28, 2008 - 18:09 ET by ThisisMattThe mother is now saying that, although she did ask the Obama campaign to stop using her son's name on the campaign trail, she was happy with his name being used in response to McCain's reference.
I guess she does not understand politicians very well.
Warner, time to update?
September 28, 2008 - 19:36 ET by TheGingermanWarner, time to update?
I agree, NB has plenty of
September 28, 2008 - 20:03 ET by GregEI agree, NB has plenty of material without eventually being used by the Left in a wrong way. The mother was happy with it and the father on the radio show said it was "entirely up to [Obama]" if he wore it.
If I was a Leftist looking at this discussion, it would be material that I would use to point out conservatives very much stretching for something that doesn't exist.
THANK YOU!!!
September 28, 2008 - 22:00 ET byVINDICATED!Thanks for the link Gingerman!Doubtful WTH will update...
Ubercon
Uber... If you have such
September 28, 2008 - 22:09 ET by Clear thinkerUber...
If you have such a dislike for this site, why do you continue to come back to it?
What Caused Our Economic Crisis?
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Hmmmm...
September 29, 2008 - 10:36 ET byCT,
Most excellent question, chief! Why do any of us comment on the topics of the day? To be heard? To speak our minds? To discuss our views and opinions with others who have differing views and opinions? To be able to see the "other" side of a topic? When you call someone a "troll", aren't you trying to squelch the poster's views and opinions? Does that create a "problem", so to speak, on what this country's founding fathers viewed as freedom of speech. Calling someone a name shows a lack of maturity and civility. If you want to call someone a name be prepared for a retaliation. If the retaliation is stronger than your attack...you could always run home to mommy and cry about getting your ass handed to you. That's what the Mods are for...not allowing for your feelings to get hurt as you spew nonsensical attacks. I must admit I support a number of things you've written and what others have written, it's the incessant name calling and bullying that's unattractive. So, how many posters have been banned in the past two years...just because someone didn't like what they said???? I've noticed, not a few, a lot of people have been shown the door. That's a wonderful way of showing your openness and tolerance to others. I've enjoyed the warmth of everyone's love. Hugs to all. "Conservatives" are nice, sweet people and here on this site are true examples of what happens when conservatism gets highjacked by a few people who do not understand the meanings or the history of conservatism. Maybe everyone should read, "The Conscience of a Conservative" by B.Goldwater as a primer.If you have, reread it and take a look at what's going on in the this crazy world of ours.
""We all know Republicans love America; they just hate half the people that live here." Jon Stewart
So...true.
Ubercon
I live
September 28, 2008 - 21:15 ET by harqmanI live in Mississippi and I am a Vet. Therefore people like BHO tink I am not all that bright. But I ask only a simple question. Are the debates not on the campaign trail?
Now for the other 1/2 of me that was born and raised in the north and holds a Masters degree;. Yea it is on the campaign trail. Therefore it should NOT have been mentioned. Just because she said after the fact that it was okay for him to use this instance to exploit her sons death for BHOs benefit because McCain said something does not make it right for him to go ahead and exploit the death. She gave him a pass after asking him not to do something. He thinks so little of this woman's request that he did what he wanted to do. She ok'd it because she wants him to win. She will not be allowed to tell her true feelings. Oh sorry she already has expressed her feelings. Please do not use it on the campaign trail. But then he did anyway. So she caved to save his sorry ass.
By the time she ok'd this abuse and exploitation of her sons name Barry had already done it. So what was she going to say? This is a shame. To ok the exploitation of your sons name for political reasons. Mom does not realize her son would be horrified. BHO is a sick sick man who does not care what he says or does as long as he wins. He is a danger to this country.
WTH - question U asked "Where is the Media ?" now we know
September 29, 2008 - 09:37 ET by JayTeeThe Media is working full time to support BHO on this issue and diss the Blogs.
I was suspicious that the mom was a BHO supporter and she would say what she said recently that her original comments were "mis characterized".
The MSM wanted reverse traction on this for their boy.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Saint McCain ?
September 29, 2008 - 12:38 ET by kathy5319Hi Newsbusters... this is your leftist "troll" Kathy here again. Today I am driven to add a liberal elitist spin in your well-rounded mix, so you guys can be more 'fair and balanced'.
My observation is that McCain's constant POW self-references are exploitive and self-serving. How dare I? While everyone is so careful to honor and treat him as the canonized saint he is, and genuinely mean it, before ever thinking to even have the credibility to question or disagree on anything related to Veterans or war policy... It ain't good enough for Saint John McCain. John McCain "loves" Veterans... and noone else has the audacity to share that. While he has claimed that citizens can be patriotic and not be war heroes as himself, He conveniently decides via political profiling who he will even muster up enough respectfulness to look them in the eye.
The Fair and Balanced Fact-of-the-matter is... McCain's actions and record (which can be verified) do not support that he "loves" veterans.
This information can actually be fact-checked... Go ahead. So, too can things like the earth is round not flat, which is not a leftist elitist hypothesis, but objective fact.
My observation is that
September 29, 2008 - 15:53 ET by BDMy observation is that McCain's constant POW self-references are exploitive and self-serving.
McCain's actions and record (which can be verified) do not support that he "loves" veterans.
He spent thirty years as a
September 29, 2008 - 16:19 ET by cocodrieHe spent thirty years as a child and ten as a community disorganizer. The rest he spent as a space cadet.
McCain and Veterans
September 30, 2008 - 03:41 ET by kathy5319BD,
http://www.youtube.c...
MCCAIN: I’ve received every award from every major veteran’s organization in America. I received every organization in America their awards. … The reason why I have a perfect voting record from organizations like the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion and all the other veterans service organizations is because of my support of them. […]
VETERAN: You do not have a perfect voting record by the DAV and the VFW. That’s where these votes were recorded. These votes were proposals by your colleagues in the Senate to increase health care of the VA in 2003, 4, 5, and 6 for troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. And you voted against those proposals. […]
MCCAIN: I’ve been endorsed in every election by every veterans organization that do that, I’ve been supported by them, and I’ve received their highest awards from all of those organizations. So I guess they don’t know something you know.
http://www.youtube.c...
Barack Obama/Jim Webb vs John Mccain - Veteran GI Bill
http://www.youtube.c...
Veterans Grade Debate - McCain D, Obama B
"Senator McCain has consistently voted against veterans interests. In a recent report, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Senator McCain a “D” rating to Senator Obama’s “B+.” Disabled American Veterans reports that Senator McCain only voted for legislation that benefited veterans 20% of the time while Senator Obama supported veterans’ needs 80% of the time."
http://carlosmiller....
**********
In responding to you, I challenge you -yourself to let Google be your guide, and: 1) Go to Pro-McCain sites and 2)Other Veterans sites that are "anti-McCain"
I can site misc statements and facts, but of course, I'm biased.
Google terms "Veterans McCain" for, against, benefits, etc.
Veterans McCain Obama
***Note that:
Pro McCain propaganda re: Veterans is generalized, utilize endorsement as core legitimacy such as:
http://vets4mccain.c...
as well as his POW experience... and are light on specific detail of past voting record... and now only have general forward looking statements (generalized) of what he 'will do' or plans-- (maybe because the facts are out there?)
http://veterans.john...
And COMPARE with:
Numerous 'veterans against McCain" with legitimate, specific issues, facts and voting records... as well as their own personal stories.
http://obsidianwings...
http://www.veteransf...
BD- McCain & Vets (cont'd)
September 30, 2008 - 12:50 ET by kathy5319BD,
You asked me to cite examples, which I did.
Someone here stated "all veterans don't love other veterans, but respect other veterans"
If that is the case, then those that do respect veterans, should honor them enough to explore their problems with McCain's support, and objectively explore the issues. That is why I provided some links and asked that you search yourself. That's all.
Thanks for asking - and thank you for serving.
* * * * * * * *
Due to some here self-professing with pride a case of right-wing rabies... as in don't confuse me with the facts on what shouldn't be a partisan issue (to those who are actually looking at facts) concerning 2 candidates and their support of veterans... What's the point?
Instead the replies about vitriol, dripping in vitriol... PMS, Skin color, Patriotism and Nancy Pelosi are childish off-point tantrums.
I didn't know there was such a sense of victimization among the right until recently. Maybe someone here ought write a memoir on being right-wing in America and I'll hire the violinist.
Kathy: As the others will
October 1, 2008 - 11:44 ET by BDKathy:
As the others will tell you, I do not chase links, so I would ask you to put the argument in your own terms rather than just shooting links to me.
Regarding recent votes for increasing funding for the VA, in fact the VA outlays per veteran have been rising exponentially in recent years, even though the numbers of vetrans has been decreasing at an even faster rate due to the WWII generation disappearing from the scene.
THerefore, I can support limited cuts in the VA budget. VA Centers that used to serve hundreds of vets per week are now servicing a few but still have full staffs- this cannot really be justified. A sad but true fact of life.
Regarding the votes to fully fund college educations for all veterans departing active service if they departed within a specific window - it was a simple ploy to make manning an even more severe problem. Particualry since there are already programs to fund education (See Montgomery Era GI Bill.)
I note that the dems did not support my proposal and require IVY league schools to admit 100% combat vets for three full years and pay for them using their endowments - that is a program I can get behind. Can you imagine the improvement if Harvard only allowed the next three freshmen classes to consist of Combat veterans? THe improvement would be TO HARVARD!!!!
Kathy5319, how in the world
September 29, 2008 - 15:58 ET by bassndudeKathy5319, how in the world did you ever get the idea that we want to be fair and balanced? Most of us are quite happy being "rabid right wingers".
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
bass... Darn right! Every
September 29, 2008 - 16:02 ET by Clear thinkerbass...
Darn right! Every year I refuse to get my Rabies vaccination.
OMG - Obamas As The Waltons
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bass... ROFL! That was
September 29, 2008 - 16:04 ET by bigtimerbass...
ROFL!
That was a good one...true too...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
LoL, glad you all liked it.
September 29, 2008 - 16:05 ET by bassndudeLoL, glad you all liked it. Struck me that Kathy dont know who she is dealing with here...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Guys,
October 1, 2008 - 17:24 ET by RESTLESS 1I see you have met Kathy. I've already taken this one the woodshed, so I'll let the rest of you bat her around for awhile. :)
Edited, my baser being was overruled by my better nature.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Kathy Gifford
September 29, 2008 - 16:09 ET by MrShyWe always welcome counter-point views and arguments. Really.
We shoot them down with verified proof and overwhelming counter-counter evidence at every turn, but we always welcome them.
Don't be afraid of us (assuming you are, but maybe you aren't) and you could become, over time, a more enlightened person policitally and ideologically.
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»→ Hey Kathy
September 29, 2008 - 16:08 ET by Cool ArrowDon't suppose you heard Obama mention he's black, did you.
Talk about somebody wearing their life on their sleeve.
Your candidate wrote two memoirs before he even accomplished anything meaningful. OK, he did coke and sold his soul to the Chicago Crime Machine, but didn't do a single thing to stop intraracial violent crime in the community he allegedly organized.
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
cool -->
September 29, 2008 - 16:13 ET by MrShyObama's formative life experience, to paraphrase CNN's wonderful profile (yes, sarc) of race in America, is being....
Black in America
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Saint McCain
September 30, 2008 - 03:58 ET by harry flashmanSo, Kathytroll - you a vet? I'm not an elitist, know nothing member of Emily's List either. All you have is Liberalite talking points, hubris, an overactive sense of entitlement, vitriol and unpossevive of a clue regarding what you think you're commenting on and, probably, a useles degree in "Women's Studies." All veterans do not "love" all other veterans but all veterans have respect for all other veterans. A concept which seems to be above your's and your candidate's pay grade. Shrill, conceited, smug, self-righteous, self-serving, mendacious and a terminal case of PMS. Why do they call it PMS? Because "Mad Cow" was already taken.
I have as much interest in
September 30, 2008 - 04:46 ET by Jack BauerI have as much interest in being fair and balanced to leftists and their destructive ideology, as they have in being fair to me as a conservative.
But if you want to talk "patriotism" perhaps you'd like to address Madam Pelosi who calls Republicans "unpatriotic" for the lefty crime of not agreeing with her.
The idea that this botox addled, braindead hysterically partisan buffoon is two heartbeats away from the Presidency is mindblowing
You're English!
October 1, 2008 - 14:31 ET byJackBauer(?!?),
Just came upon your statement...
Give it up, bloke. You're not American. You're an Englishman trying to cloak yourself as some kind of wannabe American conservative. Thanks for the insight and perspective from across the pond. Don't you have plenty of English websites that need your knowledge of a political system. What's wrong with being part of a Constitutional Monarchy?
Ubercon
Uber... He's more of a
October 1, 2008 - 14:37 ET by bigtimerUber...
He's more of a conservative American than you will ever be in your little fingernail...you make a fool of yourself daily here.
...don't mess with Jack Bauer.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
He's not an American!
October 1, 2008 - 15:27 ET byBT,
I'm pointing out the lack of a disclaimer...
You may disagree with me, that's fine. We share one thing- we're Americans whether you like it or not. I've had the great opportunity to prove myself in the classroom, the battlefield, and the boardroom and survived and thrived quite well. Take it for what it is...Sure some on this site try to label me as not being the perfect conservative since I won't be shoe-horned into their conservative mold, I truly believe in the principles of conservatism (read "The Conscious of a Conservative" by Goldwater). I'm proud to be an American. I'm proud to be able to speak without the fear of prosecution. I'm amazed at how many on this site have been suppressed/banned for their views on different topics. What's to fear of a comment?!? As for the name calling, I figure the first one who does...loses the debate and their credibility. Of course, I see no reason to let anyone slide when they've decided to take a swipe at me for something I've said. You just called me a fool, Thanks!
Ubercon
Uber
October 1, 2008 - 15:38 ET by MrShy"I'm amazed at how many on this site have been suppressed/banned for their views on different topics."
To my knowledge, no one has ever been banned or even suppressed for joining and sharing their views on NewBusters.
If you can provide proof otherwise, we'd all love to see it.
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To claim a poster as a troll...
October 1, 2008 - 16:04 ET by...then banning them is not suppression of a poster's views or opinion? Some on here have started to label me a troll for expressing a counterpoint to their comment or topic. Once I bite back after being snapped at, they get their feelings hurt and run away claiming it's time to ban me. I would consider the "Access Denied" crowd to be be the suppressed. The fleeting comments by current posters on past posters, later to find out the reference was on an "Access Denied" poster is quite interesting. It's piqued my interest in finding out more about a particular "Access Denied" poster. It's been difficult to read what happen to them and their eventual demise, yet, it still is part of the record of the past. Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Democrat or Republican, Libertarian or Communist...etc., they are a part of the past and the overall true telling of the history of this site and its reliance on being able to suppress/ban posters views, comments and opinions. Start looking at other conservative and liberal sites, your claims of civility are only supported by the actual openness of the site. It's easy to claim civility when no one with a differing view is their to question it. It's alarming to observe this type of behavior occurring in a supposedly free society that everyone here would naturally defend and support...
Ubercon
Uber
October 1, 2008 - 16:16 ET by MrShyPeople get banned, access gets "denied". Yes, of course it happens, but in all the instances I know it's happened for reasons having to do with excessive inappropriate behavior and use of language, or one very bad moment in this area.
The admins here are not stupid, and I believe assess things fairly and take action when it's clearly time to.
I was asking if you know of a clear instance where it happened solely from someone's views being expressed?
If your opinion on certain things is the great minority, then it is natural that you are going to take heat for it. This site is more civil than most when it comes to this, and if you know of a fairer blog site where differing opinions are shared with more civility, share the link with us, please.
Most here go by "do unto others", and most that we start to have problems with are the instigators/initiators who *enjoy* the tit-for-tat and heated confrontation. I can name a whole host, but I'm sure you know them.
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Which goes to the point I was making...
October 1, 2008 - 16:32 ET byMrS,
"...in all the instances I know it's happened for reasons having to do
with excessive inappropriate behavior and use of language, or one very
bad moment in this area.
The admins here are not stupid, and I believe assess things fairly and take action when it's clearly time to."
excessive inappropriate behavior for not agreeing with a particular viewpoint?
use of language, it's the only way we communicate on a website and any language could be considered over the line if it is deemed inappropriate.
Allow everyone to state what they want to state...it's just words. If you get so wound up over a set of words, phrases, and paragraphs...you need to take a breather and do something else for awhile...
Ubercon
Uber
October 1, 2008 - 16:37 ET by MrShyWe're disagreeing with you a lot, and you're still here. Same goes for Shawn. Same goes for Balboa. Same goes for JasonC. Same goes for Pop Tech (who used quite a bit of language in a heated thread a few times.) And on and on.
No one's censoring any of you guys/gals, and things do get a bit raunchy at times.
But this site likes to maintain a certain consistency of decorum, and I applaud it and it's members for that.
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Stop claiming to be openminded...
October 1, 2008 - 18:33 ET byMrS,
...and just say it's a clubhouse for likeminded individuals who berate and abuse those who disagree with the majority. The beauty is the ability to control the direction of the discussion when it doesn't follow the philosophy of the PTB. Hmmmm...history has shown us what happens when the majority disposes of what it considers the minority. Just some thoughts for you and the rest of the herd to moo over...ta-ta...moving on...
He's still an English bloke interjecting himself into OUR politics.
Übercon
fine Uber....
October 1, 2008 - 18:50 ET by MrShyCall us a clubhouse, a herd, etc., all you want. To an extent, of course it is -- which is natural and pretty much unavoidable on any site that leans in one ideological/political direction. So what's the big deal there?
Dislike Jack all you want, seriously. You're still an NB'er. Are you feeling "abused" and "berated" here on this thread? Because we're sticking up for someone we like and debating your reason for not liking him? I'd say it's nothing resembling abuse.
Anyway, in all this back-forth, and with your tenor rising, my key question all along still has not been answered, because you made the initial charge. So, I'll try again:
Do you know of a clear instance where a member was banned because of his/her views?
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If ANYONE
October 1, 2008 - 19:45 ET by Warner Todd HustonIf ANYONE here is "pretending to be an American conservative" it's this newbie Ubercon.
This guy comes here after such a short time and decides who is a valued member and who isn't? With his first posts starts name calling and acting out like a 10-year-old... and THIS guy has the gall to tell US what is or isn't???
Yes, people have been banned here before. It's a PRIVATE site and those running it have that right. ("those" are not ME, by the way, I am just fortunate enough to be an official contributor and have no mod powers except editing. I cannot ban, block or eliminate and have no interest in doing so.) But they've been banned not for their opinions but for acting like an Uberconish, 10-year-old. Name calling, snarky attacks free of substantive points, trolling, and stalking. NO ONE has been dumped for their "opinions."
So, if this Ubercon (emphasis on the con- as in con job) wants to come here from the DailyKos where he normally posts (probably as UberLib) and pretend to be a conservative... so what... he/it is free to do so. As long as he dumps his current practice of multiple, substance free posts filled with nothing but name-calling.
But, I can tell you one thing for me, here... I have little good to say about this Ubercon so far. He has not added much of value at all. Let's hope he/it settles in and actually does become worth more than he's shown so far. But, from what I've seen, I doubt he can do it. I just don't think he's smart enough to. All he has so far is name-calling and I doubt he can rise above that.
But, there's always hope.
WTH... In his case it's
October 1, 2008 - 19:55 ET by Clear thinkerWTH...
In his case it's "hope springs infernal"
Palin Is Caught And Her Career Is Over!
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Yeah...
October 1, 2008 - 19:57 ET byQuickly...
People by tje names of Trach/PJ, cleverpig, syrius, britcom, leon just to name a few people who seem to be quite articulate and levelheaded from some of their comments. I was looking at buddylists and old threads. Also, there seems to be articles or topics missing which some have commented, yet, none exists. Was there a purge and pogrom at some point? Also, the religious and global warming debates were fascinating, over the top, and full of excellent information and vibrant discussions...gone...all gone. Why? Did the PTB get pissed off?
Übercon
A year or so ago there was a
October 1, 2008 - 20:35 ET by Warner Todd HustonA year or so ago there was a server crash and just about everything was lost. After that a new server was implemented and then a format change occurred. We have lost some of the earlier threads and posts because of this.
Now that you are bringing all these names and past threads up, you raise a suspicion. You seem suddenly AWFULLY familiar with what went on here in the past. Makes one think that you are not a "new" poster, but an old visitor that may have been banned in the past for trollish behavior and now you are coming back, pretending to be "conservative" and posting under a new name.
I could be wrong of course, but you make me suspicious.
Poor little whiner, Uber
October 1, 2008 - 20:48 ET by BlondeIf you look at my profile...I've been here for a whole hell of alot longer than you, little troll.
So...let's see.
Trach went off the deep end on a religious rant...bashing others for beliefs/posts.
Cleverpig....trollster, leaving nasty little bits to stir things up, never to return.
Syrius, and Leon.....downright assholes. Doing nothing here but stirring up the pot. Insulting other posters on a regular basis, disgusting language. Ultimately...meltdowns.
Britcom....don't remember what that was about.
But, for you bloody whiners here, there have been about thirty slugs banned in the last year....about four for logging back on with new SN's after having been booted for bad behaviour.
The rest were banned for serial trolling, UBER. Do you get that?
So, whine on about "pogroms" and somesuch. You are a whining whiney baby whiner.
Sheesh,
We need a better class of troll, here.
You're next.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
October 1, 2008 - 20:55 ET by MrShyWe can not forget the high crimes of all high crimes:
Leon calling Mr. Shy a "middle aged singer peddling thongs"... or some such.
All this time I thought THAT was the straw that broke NB's back.
:p
WTH might be on to something, above, btw.
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J,
October 1, 2008 - 21:06 ET by R D HelmLOL-You forgot rainlillie.
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
Thanks...I didn't know.
October 1, 2008 - 21:23 ET byMrShy, Blonde, WTH,
I appreciate the info. More insight, a better idea on what goes and what doesn't. Does anyone actually get "hurt" from these comments? It seems a little ridiculous to ban people based soley on commentary. I was interested in Warner's blog and website by doing a quick google search. Quite different terms of use than this site. Definitely more control over who can post and what they can post. Didn't feel it was neccessary to register since he's here. Or maybe I did...I like commenting at TheNextRight & Hotair...thanks to all for directing me and informing me.
Übercon
UberHATER, fear not, as all of your former droplings...
October 1, 2008 - 21:12 ET by R D Helm...along with those of the rest of your freedom-hating, Stalin-worshiping comrades, remain intact for posterity here at NB.
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
I, for one, enjoy Jack's
October 1, 2008 - 14:41 ET by BuffNBoneI, for one, enjoy Jack's take on liberal bias in our media.
He could be a real help if one of our dumb-arse actors ever came through on their promises to leave the country "if so and so got elected." Should the actor chose to go to London, I'd ask Jack to take the bloke and drop him/her off in a muslim part of the city.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Jack & the Jacka....
October 1, 2008 - 14:55 ET by MrShy"...cloak yourself as some kind of wannabe American conservative."
Uber, that looks to me like a compliment. We should all aspire to such great things, by people from all over the world. Just shows the influential greatness of this nation.
Stop hatin' on Jack, Uber. Like BT says above, you're looking silly.
Jack - this is great!:
"The idea that this botox addled, braindead hysterically partisan buffoon is two heartbeats away from the Presidency is mindblowing."
So true. She's an ugly, angry, divisive person, inside AND out. The media doesn't touch her, it seems, and yet she is such a major player here. She really epitomizes all that stinks of get-nothing-done partisanship in D.C. these days.
Just ugly, and I even think many sane liberals (there are some :p) see it but remain silent because she's a Democrat.
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Jack is a very cool and a
October 1, 2008 - 15:18 ET by Carl KolchakJack is a very cool and a valuable member, however since he is from England we do have to remind him to correct his spelling for words like color, because it's not spelled colour. I miss all the Australians who used to post here, because it would seem that they would be more concerned with their politics, but were more interested in American politics.
Usercon, Jack's my buddie, & I'll loan him a hack-saw, anytime!
October 1, 2008 - 15:49 ET by upcountrywaterIt took you 9 weeks and a few days to figgure that out!
Will wonders never cease?
FYI..Conservatism is world wide.
0bama, your wanna-be,world leader spewed a speech in Europe..
Pushing his American liberalism on, the Euro folk, as if they do not have plenty already.
Jack is WELCOME Here.
Troll your entitlement ass off, spew baby spew...
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It took you 9 weeks and a
October 1, 2008 - 15:57 ET by HermanoIt took you 9 weeks and a few days to figure that out!
I was thinking the same thing. Not only is JB classy, but he is also extremely well versed in US politics. And of course, I always want him there when the terrorists are about to blow up Ubercon's apartment.
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Jack... Friendly
October 1, 2008 - 16:00 ET by Clear thinkerJack...
Friendly suggestion... IGNORE Uber!
Palin Is Caught And Her Career Is Over!
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kathy the troll...
October 1, 2008 - 15:40 ET by LionKingTo what facts are you referring?
Also, his experience as a POW is part of who he is. For example, he is partially disabled (physically) from being tortured, that is why he cannot personally use a PC for extended periods of time. Liberals, including the Obama campaign, like to mock this disability.
They mock that almost as much as his age. I love the hypocrisy of the "tolerant" left.