Along with the claim that Joe Biden had a "blue-collar" upbringing -- he had a decidedly upper class (though not "rich") childhood -- Joe Biden has for years claimed that his first wife and his daughter were killed by a "drunk driver" in 1972. However, closer examination of the records proves that the man driving the truck that slammed into the Biden family car was never charged with drunken driving. So, why has the media allowed this perception that Biden lost his wife to a drunk driver to persist?
As late as 2007 Biden said that the man who was involved in the fatal crash that killed his wife and daughter was a "guy who allegedly ... drank his lunch" before he got behind the wheel of his truck and in 2001 the TV show Inside Edition aired a tape of Biden saying the truck driver "stopped to drink instead of drive." Additionally, several media outlets have included the drunk driver claim in their bios of the Senator from Delaware.
This drunk driving accusation, though, is simply a Biden creation and every time this claim is uttered it pains the family of the poor, maligned man involved in the tragic accident with Biden's family, truck driver Curtis C. Dunn. Gannett-owned DelawareOnline reports the anguish that Biden's continued lie causes the man's family every time it is uttered.
"To see it coming from [Biden's] mouth, I just burst into tears," Dunn's daughter, Glasgow resident Pamela Hamill, 44, said Wednesday. "My dad was always there for us. Now we feel like we should be there for him because he's not here to defend himself."
In truth, there was no finding of alcohol being involved in this tragic incident. In fact, some investigators thought at the time that the accident was caused by Biden's wife pulling out into the intersection not having seen Dunn's truck bearing down upon her. It was simply a horrible accident with no blame saying Dunn was at fault, much less drunk.
According to the research that DelewareOnline did for the story, neither Biden's book nor his website bio contains that drunk driver reference but Biden has delivered the claim in several appearances.
The New York Times reported the 2007 crowd at the University of Iowa grew silent as Biden gave his version of what happened that day.
"Let me tell you a little story," The newspaper quoted Biden as saying. "I got elected when I was 29, and I got elected November the 7th. And on Dec. 18 of that year, my wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree. A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly -- and I never pursued it -- drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries."
Biden told a similar story when addressing an audience at the Bob Carpenter Center at the University of Delaware a few days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"It was an errant driver who stopped to drink instead of drive and hit a tractor-trailer, hit my children and my wife and killed them," Biden said, according to a transcript archived on his Senate Web site.
Now, I suppose for a politician looking for the sympathy vote, saying your wife was killed by a drunk is better than saying that your wife made a fatal mistake behind the wheel. But the truth says something else, entirely contradicting Biden's great campaign soundbites.
"The rumor about alcohol being involved by either party, especially the truck driver, is incorrect," said Jerome O. Herlihy, a Delaware Superior Court judge who was chief deputy attorney general and worked with crash investigators in 1972.
Still, there have been several news sources that have included the drunk driver aspect in Biden bio reports.
For instance, Cristina Chang of the Huffington Post posted on September 10, 2008:
But Delaware's Senator-elect would face a more difficult challenge soon after his election, when a drunk driver struck the car carrying his family, killing his wife Neilia and daughter Naomi and severely wounding sons Hunter and Beau.
The Economist Magazine published a story on August 28th saying the same basic thing:
He endured an unspeakable personal tragedy, shortly after his first run for the Senate in 1972, when his wife and daughter were killed by a drunk driver.
And NPR initially published a Biden bio with the same drunk driver claim, but later corrected the story with this disclaimer:
Correction: Earlier versions of this story said that a drunk driver was responsible for the deaths of Sen. Biden's wife and daughter. There is no evidence that the driver was drunk.
Kudos to NPR for correcting the record.
But, here is the thing. Biden himself has made this claim in public at least two times -- most likely far more. So, why has the media basically stayed mum about this lie? Isn't it important for the American people to know what sort of man Biden is? Why are they ignoring this story?
As Thomas Lifson of the American Spectator says, "Is this an attempt to exploit the death of his first wife for political gain? The thought is sickening. Even if Biden was inititially misinformed, he and his campaign have allowed a lie to propagate throughout the media."
But, should we put the onus on the lying politician as Lifson seems to do, or should we place the onus on the media that should be investigating and illuminating this lie? Of course, it is a disgusting exploitation of his wife's tragic death but that he uses that tragedy on the campaign trail isn't the problem. In fact, it is a legitimate segment of his life's story perfectly proper to use for campaign fodder. What isn't legitimate is inventing aspects of that story out of whole cloth to make it seem a more sympathetic tale instead of sticking to the truth.
Isn't the news about getting to the truth?
Apparently not because, thus far, they are letting Biden get away with a whopper.
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What would one expect from
September 20, 2008 - 04:07 ET by jkwtradingwhat would one expect from plagiarism Joe...a lie upon a lie.
I wonder if...
September 20, 2008 - 05:54 ET by on-the-rocksthe family of the truck driver has threatened (or has considered) legal action to get Biden to STFU?
I hope the McCain/Palin campaign has enough sense to leave this alone.
Non-story
September 20, 2008 - 06:02 ET by txco"I hope the McCain/Palin campaign has enough sense to leave this alone."
We all should leave this alone!!!
It's only a "non-story" if
September 20, 2008 - 06:09 ET by Jack BauerIt's only a "non-story" if you don't want to hear an inconvenient truth about a man running for VP.
And that” truth is: the man cannot help himself in fabricating and inventing and misstating the facts about tons of things. Starting with his educational achievements.
txco
September 20, 2008 - 06:54 ET by Warner Todd HustonA non-story?? You've GOT to be kidding!?
A candidate for vice president can outright lie about his wife's death and YOU think it's a non-story?
Dude, you really have to explain this one.
I agree Warner
September 20, 2008 - 07:13 ET by jakotaI agree Warner. We're not talking about a Hollywood script, here. This man is running for the Vice Presidency of the US, a heartbeat away from the most powerful post in the free world . . . and we're supposed to accept blatant lying as OK. My God, how far have we fallen?
Not only lying, but in that
September 20, 2008 - 07:43 ET by motherbeltNot only lying, but in that lie slandering someone who is not around to defend himself!
I wonder why the guy never fought back against Biden's accusation at the time or up until he died. I wish he had.
Explain?? Very simple
September 20, 2008 - 07:58 ET by txcoThere are many issues I think Biden should be held accountable for....for me, I draw the line on this one.
txco
September 20, 2008 - 08:13 ET by Cool ArrowSo if this is an invention by Sen. Biden simply to attract sympathy votes, it's OK?
Reminds me very much of a President who fabricated an attack in the Gulf of Tonkyn to further his personal interests.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
Again
September 20, 2008 - 08:18 ET by txcoMy point, if you want Biden to really get some sympathy votes start attacking him on this issue...not good,,,,,not good.
»→ txco
September 20, 2008 - 08:29 ET by Cool ArrowI appreciate the point you are making.
But you are also making the point that demonizing private citizens is fair game to candidates.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
txco, stop and think about
September 20, 2008 - 11:42 ET by Cortillaentxco, stop and think about the situation a bit more. Biden is the one who is making political use of his wife and child's deaths, and he is lying about them, slandering a man involved in a horible accident, in the process. No one is trying to attack the deaths in any way, which is the only thing that would garner Biden "sympathy votes". He put the lies and slander out in the spotlight for those votes already. Revealing them for what they are will take those votes away and just expound upon his dishonest nature.
Do you honestly think he will gain sympathy after being exposed for having lied about the deaths and slandered an innocent man?
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
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Not Likely
September 20, 2008 - 07:58 ET by capavKeith Olbermann is keeping track of Sarah's "lies" and wrote a check on air to send to some Alaskan charity last night. I'm sure he probably did that because either this site or another one doubted whether he'd do it. Maybe we can add up Olbermann's lies. That would almost cover our debt problem!
If Keith
September 20, 2008 - 08:01 ET by txcoIf Keith wants to really help the Alaskan charity he should write a $100 dollar check for everytime he lies, although I doubt if he has that kind of money.
allegedly
September 20, 2008 - 08:38 ET by docbis the term used when the truth is not clear..it imples a modicrum of guilt not evidenced.
This is a non- story...at this point the author is just trying to pick a scar that has hopefully healed after 30+ years....
Biden is lying, it is clear
September 20, 2008 - 08:49 ET by Dan The Man 2Biden is lying, it is clear and there is no other explanation. Now how important is it; that is the question. It is important because of the scrutiny they are giving the GOP candidates. And that is the issue. No run along like a good little Troll.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Yeah...
September 20, 2008 - 09:00 ET by Warner Todd HustonHow much you wanna bet docb was pleased as PUNCH to go talking about the accident that Laura Bush had when she was in her 20s. Bet THAT "scab" was picked over quite a bit by this hypocrite.
is the term used when the
September 20, 2008 - 09:18 ET by motherbeltis the term used when the truth is not clear..it imples a modicrum of guilt not evidenced.
No, it is an accusation not proven. Look here
and it has nothing to do with a "modicum" (not modicrum) of guilt. Or are you saying that an allegation only implies a little bit of guilt?
Look here
The dictionary is your friend. Use it.
allegedly
September 20, 2008 - 09:37 ET by CobraMan"it imples a modicrum of guilt not evidenced."
No, it doesn't. "Allegedly" implies an accusation that is unproven.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Mr. Troll
September 20, 2008 - 15:20 ET by merlin61Every time Biden says this lie, the family of the
truck driver suffers. Why should they have to
relive this lie just so he can ask for sympathy.
Every time he opens his mouth, he sticks his
big fat foot in it. I sympathize with the family.
WTH -- actually the truck
September 20, 2008 - 06:02 ET by Jack BauerWTH -- actually the truck driver was not killed in the crash.
Though his family have said the crash haunted him for the rest of his life, and the deliberate lie about him being drunk left him a broken man.
Lies perpetuated by Joe Biden. Is it possible to feel great sympathy for the family of a young woman tragiclly killed, and disgust for her husband's glib ability to invent and fabricate at will?
Oh, crap, you're right. I
September 20, 2008 - 06:50 ET by Warner Todd HustonOh, crap, you're right. I forgot to go back and get rid of that line like I meant to do. Sorry, I'll fix it. Thanks for pointing it out.
No probs WTH. I would
September 20, 2008 - 06:53 ET by Jack BauerNo probs WTH.
I would have messaged you privately but that facility doesn't appear to be available on your name above the fold!
Oh, sure... just make me
September 20, 2008 - 06:55 ET by Warner Todd HustonOh, sure... just make me look like a moron in front of the whole world!!
Just email me at hustonisanidiot@hotmail.com, next time!
LOL
Ha ha. At this point
September 20, 2008 - 07:04 ET by Jack BauerHa ha. At this point self-deprecating would be the way to go.
Stand up, stand up and take a bow... oh God. God love ya!
»→ More plagiarism
September 20, 2008 - 07:18 ET by Cool Arrow"Stand up and take a bow" is a quote Biden copped off of an obscure Carpenter's Son.
He was later observed telling Rachael Maddow "You need to work on your pecs"
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
Biden has used the "drunk
September 20, 2008 - 06:24 ET by motherbeltBiden has used the "drunk driver" line so often he apparently now believes it himself.
The media is letting Joe get away with everything they would jump on someone else for. In this NYT article, for example, it's related that he pokes a reporter in the chest and says "you need to work on your pecs" (I can't wait for the day he offers to show his), tells an audience member to "shush up will you!" and telling an older woman who introduced him "I love you" and giving her a kiss on the head as takes th microphone.
Condescension, anyone?
And can you imagine if a Republican did any of those things? Would they be talking about a colorful character or an out-of-control attention-seeker?
The media has heard that
September 20, 2008 - 08:21 ET by kgThe media has heard that line so much they believe it too. That is a trait of Democrats. Tell a lie so much it becomes true. The media will never call a Democrat out on a lie anyway.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Calling Charlie
September 20, 2008 - 06:41 ET by Red JeepLet's have a Charlie Gibson investigation and interview of Biden on this matter immediately.
They could talk about the
September 20, 2008 - 06:47 ET by Jack BauerThey could talk about the Biden Doctrine.
It's really the "Bush" doctrine, with Bush's name blacked out and Biden's name scawled over.
»→ Biden Doctrine
September 20, 2008 - 07:06 ET by Cool ArrowThe Biden Doctrine, as I understand it, is;
I know it sounds surprisingly like the Bush Doctrine, as articulated by Charlie Gibson, but is from a speech Biden gave on Friday, January 20, 1961.
We strive for historical accuracy around here. /s
thanks cool -- that Biden,
September 20, 2008 - 07:18 ET by Jack Bauerthanks cool -- that Biden, he's just so inspiring. And original!
Did you hear Palin on Hannity. She praised Joe for his long service in the Senate, which she thinks started when she was in 2nd Grade.
She's is a witty lady, and he's gonna get put down by a pro if he tries any "funny" stuff on her.
»→ Be it known. Jack
September 20, 2008 - 07:24 ET by Cool ArrowBe it known I DVR all things Palin, including Greta's interview with the "First Dude".
FOX & Friends just played a clip of Gov. Sarah saying
F&F seemed to think this was a gaffe. I'm still looking for something odd about her statement.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
THIS is the Biden doctrine...
September 20, 2008 - 07:25 ET by Warner Todd HustonNo, no, no. THIS is the Biden doctrine...
"Let every barber know, whether he wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, indent any plugs, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, confront any comb, in order to assure the survival and the success of a good head of hair."
And he wrote that whole thing all by his own little self, too!
And let's face it. Joe Biden is no deeper than this, either.
"It's really the 'Bush'
September 20, 2008 - 07:48 ET by Indiana Joe"It's really the 'Bush' doctrine, with Bush's name blacked out, and Biden's name scrawled over."
In crayon.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
in crayon... and signed in
September 20, 2008 - 09:01 ET by Jack Bauerin crayon... and signed in multi-colors,
Joseph A. Biden, Age 67 and 3 qwarters.
Okay I'm taking guesses on
September 20, 2008 - 07:13 ET by Jack BauerOkay I'm taking guesses on the Palin/Biden Debate (though I have a feeling that in Biden's case in will be the Debacle)
1. How many times the camera catches Biden's roving eye wondering down to Sarah's chestal area.
2. How many times Biden overshoots his alloted time for answers
3. How many times Biden mentions "Amtrak."
4. How many sexist remarks he gaffes over.
5. How many times he mentions his 35 years in the Senate.
6. How many times he mentions his Catholic faith.
Ginking Drame
September 20, 2008 - 08:09 ET by Copperhead RidgeIf you turned this into a drinking game, participants would risk alcohol poisoning.
Start an NB Pool
September 20, 2008 - 11:15 ET by Uncle JohnWe could have some fun with this. Not for money, but just for bragging rights. Could do an over/under thing...
Yep. Need some additional
September 20, 2008 - 11:44 ET by Jack BauerYep. Need some additional things Biden does to make it fun.
Like ... how many foreign leaders he mentions by name -- you know he's been rote memorizing like crazy, people like the Cultural Minister for Krapiistan. (It's Khaqmehirshevaslivia, by the way.)
I reckon he'll carefully enunciate over 14 names that he'll claim to have met.
Running down the list
September 20, 2008 - 13:00 ET by Uncle JohnHere are my guesses:
1. How many times the camera catches Biden's roving eye wondering down to Sarah's chestal area. 2 (catches, not how many times he does it)
2. How many times Biden overshoots his alloted time for answers Every time - this guy couldn't STFU to save his life and he seems to love the sound of his own voice
3. How many times Biden mentions "Amtrak." 4
4. How many sexist remarks he gaffes over. 1 - bet he'll be drilled on this repeatedly during his prep.
5. How many times he mentions his 35 years in the Senate. 6 - can't wait to hear how his 35 years is good and McCain's 26 is bad...
6. How many times he mentions his Catholic faith. 4
Next?
Biden Doen't Know TRUTH When He Sees It
September 20, 2008 - 07:46 ET by ChasvsThis clown wouldn't know the TRUTH if it smacked him in the face!
A very appropriate running mate for the lieing Empty Black Suit Barack Hussein Obama.
Neither one of them could tell the TRUTH if they tried to! They've told more lies than Bill and Hillary Clinton and that's saying something!
We are talking 1972
September 20, 2008 - 07:54 ET by jcrapes4This happened in 72 it is possible that the driver was drunk and not charged.
Yeah, and it's possible
September 20, 2008 - 07:56 ET by Indiana JoeYeah, and it's possible that he was blind in both eyes and no one noticed.
But there's no evidence of that either.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
»→ 1972
September 20, 2008 - 08:07 ET by Cool ArrowMany things are possible.
It's also possible Mrs. Biden's left eye was swollen shut after a domestic incident and was unable to see the oncoming traffic.
Is it fair to make such an assessment without a finding of fact?
I think the point of the story is that For whatever reason, (grief, rage, misplaced guilt), Biden is embellishing a tragic life story to woo the sympathy vote. In doing so he unfairly demonizes a private citizen who's life may just as likely have been deeply saddened by the actions of a careless driver trying to settle an argument in the backseat.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
This happened in 72 it is
September 20, 2008 - 08:13 ET by motherbeltThis happened in 72 it is possible that the driver was drunk and not charged.
In one story he says (emphasis added): A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly -- and I never pursued it --
drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch,
Then if he was not charged, how does Biden know that he "drank his lunch," and that he was drunk?
I can't believe that even in 1972, a crash occurred in which 2 people were killed and 2 more seriously injured, that a drunk driver would not have been charged. That defies logic.
He admits it was an allegation that was never resolved. Yet later he goes on to state it as a fact. Seems to me a case of repeating it so often he came to believe it.
oh really
September 20, 2008 - 11:04 ET by candanceMy grandmother was killed by a drunk driver in 1969, and the police found out that the driver was drunk pretty easily. Breathalizers have been around since the 1950s and were most assuredly used in this case since it resulted in death.
Thus your defense of Biden goes something like this:
Nice to know how things work for Democrats.
I agree with WTH. This is a story because it shows how Biden will slime innocent people to make himself look better. Calling someone a drunk driver is about as low blow as you can get.
Why? Shirley, you jest.
September 20, 2008 - 07:55 ET by Indiana JoeI saw a report on this recently. This family is still trying to get the truth out, and they have to resort to "Inside Edition" and such. No one in the MSM is interested, apparently.
And, while I find that reprehensible, I'm not really surprised at all. They've taken off the gloves for the last desperate push, and there's no going back. This is their "Pickett's Charge," their kamikaze dive. All their eggs are in Obama's basket, and they don't intend to lose for any reason.
This is the year the MSM will never, ever be able to explain away.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
I agree, Indiana. They are
September 20, 2008 - 08:18 ET by motherbeltI agree, Indiana. They are desperate, and Biden is their hatchet man.
He is out there flailing his arms and yelling "I am so sick of ....." and (I have had it with...." and more rage. I heard clips of him on Rush or Hannity yesterday, I forget which, and he is on a tear!
Obama is doing the same thing, only not as loud.
BTW, Barry, how's that "new kind of politics" thing going?
"BTW, Barry, how's that "new kind of politics" thing going?"
September 20, 2008 - 09:23 ET by Indiana JoeHere's a fun game. Find the "hippy" song that defines the modern left, and exposes them as the people they've been warning us about.
For instance, The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again:" "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
Or "I'd Love to Change the World," by Procol Harem (?): "Tax the rich, feed the poor, 'til there are no rich no more."
Anyone can play. It's easy!
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
»→ Ten Years After
September 20, 2008 - 09:37 ET by Cool ArrowBut WHO's counting
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
Ah,
September 20, 2008 - 09:45 ET by Indiana JoeThanks, CA. PH didn't sound right, nice catch.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
When I saw this the first time on Inside Edition I felt...
September 20, 2008 - 08:30 ET by deedledeeuncomfortable. As a teenage girl in the tri-state area, I vividly remember when his wife and daughter died and how he was sworn in at his son's bedside. Even with all the things he's done through the years, I still mist up when the story comes on. However, for him to add this untrue detail on to his story is so sad. How could he do this to the man's family...as the daughter said the more this is repeated the more it seems like fact. Remember when polls showed the majority of people believed Clarence Thomas at the end of the hearings, but feminists kept repeating Anita Hill's charges as fact and changed the perception of what actually happened. But, at this point, how can the family press it further without making Joe the "victim" of the right by the liberal press who will give him a break on this as they have already done by not going into details about his plagiarism.
Why
September 20, 2008 - 08:45 ET by MazziWhy would anyone expect anything else from Biden? He is not only a liar and a cheater, he is a moron. And he is on the ticket with a man who would throw his "typical white grandmother" under the bus.
All is fair in politics when you are a liberal.
"When a government robs Peter to pay Paul, they can always count on the support of Paul." ~ George Bernard Shaw~
A Kennedy killed his wife?
September 20, 2008 - 08:48 ET by CrashHaven't you learned by now? The MSM doesn't go after their own until after they've served their usefulness. Examples: The Clintons, Joe Leiberman, Zell Miller, Lady Rothschild, Dick Morris ...
Foot tappers are front page raw meat. Freezer money pilfers are lost between like scandals and corrections.
Hmmmm
September 20, 2008 - 09:11 ET by harqmanI can't believe that even in 1972, a crash occurred in which 2 people were killed and 2 more seriously injured, that a drunk driver would not have been charged. That defies logic.
Ever heard of Ted Kennedy?
*grin*
September 20, 2008 - 09:30 ET by Mazzi"Ever heard of Ted Kennedy?"
So you are saying that Mrs. Biden was the drunk, and it was covered up? That would mean that Biden is NOT lying! *phew* I was starting to worry about Biden's integrity there for a moment.
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." ~ Sen. Joe Biden ~
Ah but...
September 20, 2008 - 09:31 ET by Warner Todd HustonAh, but Kennedy was the one with power. This poor truck driver was the one without power! Biden had the power. Do you expect me to believe that Biden didn't pursue the REAL possibility, if there was any, that the trucker was drunk when he, Biden, was the one with the power?
If so, I just cannot believe it.
If there was ANY real indication that the guy was drunk, Biden would have pursued it. Biden IS a lawyer, after all!
Biden
September 20, 2008 - 09:27 ET by VinncyG"Why does the media allow this perception to continue"?
That's easy: Their Democrats
Biden
September 20, 2008 - 10:15 ET by iveseenitallBiden is a damned fool who keeps putting his foot in his mouth. He is a legend in his own mind. He's constantly trying to prove that he is something is not. He's the personification of "sad sack" from the old cartoons.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
shoe other foot
September 20, 2008 - 10:27 ET by OklahomaIsShapedFunnyImagine if some unknown crotchety old Vietnamese guy pops up and says:
"I was a guard during Mccain's imprisonment... the stories about the harsh treatment aren't true... he had gourmet food, TV, prostitutes, weed, soft beds, couches...etc..."
What's the lead story on the Alphabet channels that night??
"Another McCain Lie Exposed!"
September 20, 2008 - 10:36 ET by Indiana JoeC'mon, give me a hard one! ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
That's what she said...
September 20, 2008 - 15:32 ET by m4ster chief(I can't believe I did that...I'm watching The Office too much.)
Actually, you aren't far
September 20, 2008 - 11:37 ET by nandrelliActually, you aren't far off. This has already sort of happened.
Remember when ABC sent a film crew into the Vietnamese jungle, and Ted Koppel did a remote interview of an 84-yr old former VC, who talked about the day Kerry shot the VC who had fired on his Swift Boat (and earned him the Silver Star)?
The old guy said he "remembered the day well". Koppell sort of used the interview to "prove" that people who cast doubt on Kerry's actions that day were liars.
Biden's "Drunk Driver" Story
September 20, 2008 - 11:32 ET by nandrelliDoes anyone really think the MSM is going to call out Biden on this story? This is the same MSM that let Kerry tell his "Christmas in Cambodia" story for decades, in which he criticized Nixon for what was going on in Cambodia at the time, when it turns out that it COULDN'T have been true, because Nixon wasn't President yet when Kerry spent his Christmas in Vietnam!! (If you have forgotten, Kerry was in Vietnam at Christmas of 1968; Nixon became President in January 1969). The subsequent discovery of Kerry's journal describing his Christmas night in some Vietnamese city only verified that Kerry was lying.
Not to get too distracted, but my point is the MSM won't pick up on a lie by a Democrat even if the facts beat them over the head. After all, 90% of MSM journalists are Democrats, and they obviously put their part affiliations over their journalistic ethics.
The reason Kerry was
September 20, 2008 - 12:23 ET by winston smithThe reason Kerry was "swift-boated" was ultimately due to his own dishonesty. The media was livid that veterans would come forward to force Kerry confront his lies. The media feel they were had -- one-upped. So now they're attempting to "swiftboat" Palin on behalf of Obama/Biden to avenge the '04 defeat of Kerry/Edwards. And so far the swiftboating has become a splendid failure. It's tough to successfully swiftboat someone who dosen't lie as Kerry routinely did. Swiftboating Kerry was easy --- even pajama bloggers could do it from the confines of their own bedrooms. Kerry was on record espousing falsehoods ad infinitim. With the internet, exposing Kerry as a liar was and is child's play. With Palin, it's not so easy if not impossible since unlike Kerry, Edwards, Clintons, Gore, Biden, Obama, etc. Palin doesn't tell tall tales. That's why the Democrats are up there with their private dicks, their lawyers, etc. because Sarah Palin is an honest woman who doesn't make stuff up or use her family as a political prop. The hope of digging stuff up on her will be virtually impossible because it's simply non-existent. They'll have to make it up as they go.
The establishment media
September 20, 2008 - 12:16 ET by winston smithThe establishment media partisanship is just so blatant it's not even funny. To have a story like this that they completely ignore, and yet they've been engaged in nit-picking every move and every word that Sarah Palin has ever uttered.
They're up there now in Alaska engaged in a veritable house by house search, frantically combing through records, through neighborhoods, to find any speck of lint they can use to smear Palin and yet they're not even the least bit interested in the *FLAGRANT* lies of Joe Biden and absoulte MISERY he has caused this family for 35+ years. Imagine what the esablishment media would be engaged in if Palin were guilty of something like this.
I would have a different opinion of Biden if he were silent on the matter or gave an honest account of the tragedy. But instead, like Al Gore before him, he dosen't seem to have any problem using the tragedy of family members if it provides him with a political advantage. Great sense of gamesmanship and fair play. He is a shameless phony.
If they're looking for the silver bullet to take down a VP candidate they have it in Joe Biden. Here's a man who will lie, plagerize, use his own family and ruin the good name of another family all for selfish political gain. And the media are fully aware of the dishonesty of the man but the man is important for their ultimate quest to keep abortion legal and keep the abortionist majority on the Supreme Court.
So Biden gets a pass, his victims get screwed and Sarah Palin, completely innocent of any wrongdoing, becomes an easy target for the media slime merchants who don't even have anything on her.
Good gravy! Is there
September 20, 2008 - 12:26 ET by Chris NormanGood gravy! Is there anything real, true, or authentic about Biden? Is Biden even his real name? I mean, even his freakin' hair is phony.
McNotObama '08
Title change request
September 20, 2008 - 12:32 ET by 10ksnookerChange the title to WHY DOES THE MEDIA ALLOW DEMOCRATS TO LIE ...
That is far more descriptive.
Joe Biden
September 20, 2008 - 12:52 ET by Emma GrumpJoe Biden has a history of not telling the truth and running off at the mouth, but we must understand he is a liberal democrat and "down for the struggle" so he gets a pass every time. The double standard is just sickening!
Stomping on a good man's name--typical!
September 20, 2008 - 12:54 ET by turnip truckThe accident was deemed her fault. She was in an intersection on Limestone Road that, at that time, did not contain a traffic light. She pulled out. The truck had the right of way. He could not stop in time. This is typical Joe Biden—making himself look like the poor widower being tested by God to overcome his burdens—the victim of evil doers. What kind of father, by the way, would allow a photo op of his child in a hospital bed as he visits him after a fatal crash?
semantics
September 22, 2008 - 08:36 ET by MazziI don't think he's lying. I think his wife was the drunk driver.
Here's the thing - both of my parents were lawyers, and so I grew up in a household where we could get away with almost anything, if we could twist the facts to prove our innocence. "yes, I did my homework" (LAST WEEK - you didn't ask if I did it TODAY!!)
As much as I could be an accomplished liar, I'm not (anymore) - but I have a real good BS-detector from that. Sarah Palin is the real deal, and so is McCain, even though I am not a huge fan of his.
Biden and Obama have that "lawyer's lie" undercurrent. It's almost like they lie just because they can. It makes me sick!
"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." ~ Barrack Hussein Obama ~
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." ~ Sen. Joe Biden
Didn't you get the memo?
September 20, 2008 - 13:43 ET by thebronzeDidn't you get the memo? DemocRats can do no wrong.
The fact is Warner...
September 20, 2008 - 14:41 ET by ImAllRightThe fact is Warner, that you don't have any idea what really happened. To have sympathy for the guy who killed Biden's family (as it appears you want to do) is just sick. You're sick.
This needs to be left alone. FARRRRRRR off in the corner. The fact again is that this has nothing to do with policy or anything for that matter other than a private matter. We all saw how disgusting it was when the liberal blogs went after Sarah Palin for her pregnant daughter saying that because she was so "pro and anti this and that" that it was okay, when IT WASN'T because it was a PRIVATE MATTER.
You are a disgusting individual to peddle this garbage as if it was doctrine. I don't know about the other people that comment here but I've lost a great deal of respect for you with this trash that you link to. YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTS. That driver could very well have been drunk, impaired, etc. He wasn't charged. Good for him. Of course he's going to want to maintain that, it was awful for all of those involved. YOU still have no way of knowing what the circumstances were.
Lay off this you bum.
We also don't need to lower the bar for journalism any lower than it already is. How many days did we have to hear about Bristol and her private matter as if it was the Governor's direct fault.
You're now no better than the Kos people for being proping up such garbage that 1. Has zero bearing on the election and 2. Is impossible to know now what really happened that night.
Thug.
"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man." - Ronald Reagan.
Troll alert...
September 20, 2008 - 15:15 ET by m4ster chiefSometimes a little pointed humor can get a message such as yours across better than a series of insults and name-calling. We try not to disembowel each other in NewsBusters; we save our anger for the opposition.
Remember the basic concept of NewsBusters; to call attention to misrepresentations and outright lies in the various media, as well as the media's failure to do their jobs by not exposing the lies spoken by public figures such as politicians and Hollyweirdos.
If you check back, I believe you'll see that Warner was simply asking, "Why is the media allowing a lie to be spoken repeatedly, apparently for political gain, by Joe Biden?" And he goes on to flesh out the piece with some small talk, including informing readers of facts and allegations surrounding the case. That's what writers do.
Hey, if you don't like this site, pack up your limited vocabulary and leave, but if you stay, try to be nicer to the writers. I will say however, that considering the abuse they take from the enemy, yours is rather mild in comparison, as nasty as it was. You're just an amateur provocateur, my boy, but you have definite possibilities. Now go clean off your pajama top...you dripped some vitriol down the front.
chief, yea Bidens troll,allright here's some more, sanitation
September 20, 2008 - 16:00 ET by upcountrywaterallegedly ;never said he was drinkin
BIDEN SPOKESMAN DAVID WADE: That's not what he said and please do not
infer, paraphrase, or be anything less than precise on such a personal
and tragic subject. Sen. Biden wrote a book about his life and never
alluded to the cause of the accident at all. In remarks he made at the
University of Iowa he said "allegedly -- and I never pursued it." Nor
did he encourage reporting on it then or at any other time. He has
never called it or thought of it as anything other than an "accident."
So there you have it.
I wonder how many youtube allegeded speeeches , there are of biden blathering about the guy drinking his lunch???
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CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
Like I said in my previous
September 20, 2008 - 18:22 ET by winston smithLike I said in my previous post, if Biden had been silent on this tragedy, or gave a fair an honest account of what happend, or didn't use dead and seriously injured members of his family as dramatic props in an attempt to heighten his political appeal, I wouldn't say anything -- he would have earned my respect. But, by his own choice, Biden made all of this public and much of it may be completely untrue. Therefore since Biden himself, unsolicited, decided to elaborate on this tragedy then it's only fair he is held up to scrutiny and criticism, like it or not. I noticed you didn't have anything to say about the victimized family in your indignant post. Would you like to express comforting words for the Dunn family that has been victimized for over 3 and a half decades as you did for the plagerizer Biden?
September 20, 2008 - 15:41
September 20, 2008 - 19:00 ET by Jack BauerThe fact is you sound like an wilfully ignorant nutjob. How about being FAIR to the man who was behind the wheel when Mrs Biden died. Or is that beyond your capacity. It is possible to feel deperately sorry for the Biden family, without stating untruths.
THE FACT is the driver was NOT drunk, and had not drunk alcohol according to the police investigation of the accident. Not according to me or WTH, but according to the investigation. Is that not good enough for you?
Sometimes appaling accidents do happen through circumstances beyond anyone's control. That's why they are called "accidents" and not manslaughter or murder or negligent homicide, et al.
THE FACT IS it was also considered that the sad death of Mrs Biden may have been caused by her own negligence in driving. Becuase two people were actually driving that day.
THE FACT is, none of this would be an issue if Mr Biden did not repeat the false calumny that the driver was drunk. Why is he doing that? Doesn't that sound odd to be saying something he must know is not true??
Becuase the fact is, that is simply untrue according the the authorities at the time. Unless you know something different.
Jack....
September 20, 2008 - 19:09 ET by MrShyYou're sick.
You are a disgusting individual to peddle this garbage as if it was doctrine.
Lay off this you bum.
Thug.
Sheesh, did Warner kill ImAllRight's cat or something??
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Governor Palin Get Your Gun
Not yet.
September 20, 2008 - 20:06 ET by Hero SquadNot yet.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Mr S... yep, must have
September 21, 2008 - 04:00 ET by Jack BauerMr S... yep, must have squashed the poor critter with a murdering SUV.
Come on Mr.Jack Bauer, <the voice of the chinese spy on 24>
September 20, 2008 - 20:23 ET by upcountrywaterDo you not know, Ms Pluggs brake fluid, was drained, by someone hired by you.
Still DNA on the drain fittings, we find the car .
And pass the blame onto a Bitter Oil guzzelin truck driver.
More internet oratory over fact.
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
IAR... Sounds like you
September 20, 2008 - 19:09 ET by bigtimerIAR...
Sounds like you have had one to many...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Good thing
September 20, 2008 - 21:02 ET by Warner Todd HustonDear, ImAllRight
All I can say is... good thing your opinion doesn't matter to me one little bit.
Have a great day.
That reminds me...
September 20, 2008 - 14:45 ET by m4ster chief...speaking of people who drink their lunch, where is John McCain's good friend, Ted Kennedy?
Biden
September 20, 2008 - 17:17 ET by okiehawk44Joe Biden has a very long history of shading the truth (i.e. lies) and creating grandiose stories (i.e. lies) about his life. Why shouldn't we expect more from someone who may represent this country at the highest level for the next 4-8 years?
Can you see Biden representing America at a meeting in China talking about the time he and Chairman Mao took a swim together and set Mao's country on the path to economic hegemony even though he never was in China, never met Mao, can't swim and setting China on any course except to oblivion was a bad idea.
This is the best Barack H. Obama could do and he did it!
I expect nothing less from
September 20, 2008 - 17:52 ET by bigtimerI expect nothing less from Biden...the msm either.
I remember Gore's blithering blather about his sister dying of cancer and the tobacco industry, all the while making $$$ still off that industry within his fortunes...all for a pity vote.
When it comes to Gore and his hypocrisy (we can throw in Occidental too just for the heck of it)
..and the msm plays along all the while knowing the truth...just like they are with Biden.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Biden's lie #1,235,000
September 20, 2008 - 17:54 ET by newzhawkJoe Biden is using this addition of "drunk driver" to his personal tragedy to ratchet up the sympathy. It is already a sad fact as it is. It reminds me of Hillary fibbing about Chelsea jogging by the battery in New York City to elicit "Oh the poor mother" feelings. Same use of her shock of Bill "waking her up to tell her about Monica Lewinski "Oh, that poor woman". Most normal people , excluding a long time long winded Senator from a tiny state, would not accuse someone of drunk driving unless it was a fact. I hope the family sues for defamation of character. The guy had to live in this tiny state and have the tragedy be part of he and his family's life for 36 friggin years, Not exactly what our founding fathers had in mind.
Todd Palin had a DUI over 20
September 20, 2008 - 18:31 ET by CooltomTodd Palin had a DUI over 20 years ago. If he had killed someone in a drunken accident and the MSM dug it up, in 3 nanoseconds they would published the police report and mug shots, and have in taped a 30 minute tear-jerking interview with the greiving family. Then in every shot showing Todd on air, the commentator will say, "Todd Palin, who was guilty of drunken manslaughter in 1982..."