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Members of Barack Obama’s campaign HQ in Chicago tried to shut down a local radio show on the City's most powerful radio signal, WGN 720, because they didn't like a conservative guest that was on going on the air to discuss Senator Barack Obama's ties to local terrorist William Ayers. This is a shocking attempt at stifling political free speech and a bald attempt to quash debate by the office of the Democratic Party's nominee. The funny thing is, WGN is the most liberal station in the City with every host but one slavishly supporting the junior Senator from Illinois.
Show host Milt Rosenberg, the station's only conservative leaning host (probably to be considered more libertarian than Republican), had on short notice asked conservative writer Stanley Kurtz to come on the air to discuss his work on uncovering Obama's ties to terrorist Wiliam Ayres and the Annenberg Challenge project. Kurtz was just in Chicago for his investigation and Rosenberg contacted Kurtz only that morning to appear. At the same time, Rosenberg's producer contacted the Obama campaign's HQ -- which is but blocks from the radio station in downtown Chicago -- to offer some time on the air with Kurtz to debate Kurtz' claims about Obama and Ayres. The campaign, however, flatly refused the offer of the equal air time and instead tried to drum up via email a protest of the show, trying to get it stopped.
After the refusal of host Rosenberg's offer to appear on the air with Kurtz, the Obama campaign issued an extensive email (The Chicago Tribune has the full text) to drum up protests of the radio station, which said in part...
In the next few hours, we have a crucial opportunity to fight one of the most cynical and offensive smears ever launched against Barack.
Tonight, WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears. He's currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers.
Tell WGN that by providing Kurtz with airtime, they are legitimizing baseless attacks from a smear-merchant and lowering the standards of political discourse.
The email gave the Rosenberg show contact info and told people to call and protest Kurtz' appearance. The email also lied to its supporters by acting as if the Obama campaign was not offered fair rebuttal time.
It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves. At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz's lies.
I happen to live in Chicago and by chance was listening to the Milt Rosenberg show and heard for myself the host assure listeners that he offered the air time to the Obama campaign, an offer that was refused. Rosenberg even went so far as to offer any other show date for the Obama campaign's rebuttal to Kurtz' work.
Then, in compliance with the Obama campaign’s email instructions, a parade of callers was aired all telling Rosenberg to shut down the Kurtz interview. Each caller was quite insensible to the unAmerican reaction in which they were indulging and each one was entirely unreasonable and uninformed on the facts. Sadly, this anti-American attitude seems typical of Obama supporters nation wide.
Now, Dr. Rosenberg's show is one of the most intelligent, even high brow, shows on the radio, so schmaltzy, exploitation radio is as far from his style as one can get. Rosenberg interviews authors of the highest standing and show topics range from philosophy, to Opera, to physics and political science. He even does a delightful yearly show on the misuse of the English language as well as one on the year's best literary offerings. Like I said, exploitation radio he ain't.
So, for the Obama campaign to act as if this particular show is an affront to reasoned debate is an outrageous charge. Just as outrageous is the Obama campaign's obvious desire to destroy free political speech. It makes one quake to wonder what sort of oppressive climate an Obama presidency would impose on the country?
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In the next few hours, we
August 28, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Dan The Man 2In the next few hours, we have a crucial opportunity to fight one of the most cynical and offensive smears ever launched against Barack - And to fight the charges leveled they could have come on teh show and refuted them. If they had no merit then the light of truth would have taken root. But, to not show up to debate the facts shows the Obama people are like vampires shying away from a cross or garlic. Its time to put stake through Obama's heart and make sure he never rises again.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I would say Obama's people...
August 28, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Prester John...are acting like Brownshirts, but I guess that would be considered racist and bigoted.
Mitt Romney..
August 28, 2008 - 10:53 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. made a quip about Denver being the 'night of the longknives' on Sean Hannity's radio show yesterday. Hillarious.
LesserOf2evils '08
The really scary question:
August 28, 2008 - 10:52 ET by jazbo" It makes one quake to wonder what sort of oppressive climate an Obama presidency would impose on the country?"
Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.
What's next? Total media censorship?
August 28, 2008 - 12:05 ET by goldenthroatWe knew this was coming - the Osama Bama camp is so incensed and riled at the lack of "bump" in his lordship's poll ratings, now they want to blame it on the media and try to shut them down!
The irony is that this is probably the same media that has kissed their left-wing, liberal butts for months. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, many in the MSM are starting to see the real, empty-suit Osama for what he is - unqualified to be president.
The trickle of opposition to BO in the media is now becoming a wave - and it's working against the Dems.
Can I get a witness? And all God's people said "Amen"!
"I think we're all bozos on this bus!" - Firesign Theatre
When Obama gets elected this will all be over
August 28, 2008 - 10:55 ET by c5thenAny dissenting or critical media outlet will be raided and shut down by the Secret Service and the FBI working to protect the "Glorious Leader" from these obvious threats.
Free speech is fine as far as it goes, but any threat to the thoughts and plans of the "Annointed One' must be quashed and nipped in the bud before they grow into full blown assasination plots.
All will have to get special cards in order to participate in any form of speech, commerce or public gathering. To get the card you will have to swear an oath of fealty to the 'Beloved Leader'
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
c5then, do we then call this...
August 28, 2008 - 11:33 ET by goldenthroatSocialism or communism? Hmmm - better yet, let's call it "Obamunism".
"I think we're all bozos on this bus!" - Firesign Theatre
c5, GMTA. While reading the
August 28, 2008 - 11:33 ET by MassConservc5, GMTA. While reading the text of the email Obama's camp put out, what came to mind was that the only thing conspicuously missing were references to Obama as "Dear Leader."
As for the email lying about not being offered equal time, I doubt that's how they viewed it. They could not deign to appear on the show at the same time as Kurtz, so their gripe is that Rosenberg didn’t offer to refute the charges of his own guest.
I suppose that makes sense if you’re an Obama supporter.
If this clown gets in
August 28, 2008 - 13:43 ET by Eileen RightIf this clown gets in expect new programs that make ECHELON look like 2 cups with a string in between to squelch domestic dissent.
Of course terrorists will still be protected from FISA.
Obama and crew don't need
August 28, 2008 - 10:59 ET by bigtimerObama and crew don't need no stinkin' Fairness Doctrine...they are the Fairness Doctrine.
Be afraid...very afraid.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
You refute what can be
August 28, 2008 - 11:04 ET by Hunter12You refute what can be refuted, you censor what can't be denied.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
This honestly doesnt
August 28, 2008 - 11:16 ET by SnappyThis honestly doesnt surprise me in the slightest, and if elected I think we all can agree these tactics will be the norm, unfortunatly with a few more resources behind them.
They won't wear brown
August 28, 2008 - 11:27 ET by Chris NormanObama supporters obviously won't wear brown shirts, but he will harness his adoring masses to bombard stations with e-mails and protests. They will try to reinstitute the "Fairness" Doctrine to shut down conservative talk radio. They will use the tax code to harass critics. How long before they figure out a way to control the speech on the Internet?
Anyone who won't for vote for John McCain "because he's a RINO", just does't understand the danger we're facing if they let Obama sneak in by default.
McNotObama '08
GOP to blame
August 28, 2008 - 11:33 ET by Sergeant ROCKThe GOP deserves just as much blame for anyone 'sneaking' in.
I suppose it would be my fault for not voting for Mickey Mouse even though he had an 'R' by his name.
If McCain selects Romney as VP, he'll get my vote. If not, I'll have a serious problem with voting for him.
Now, when will you people quit making excuses for the incompetents running the GOP and demand 'change'? Voting 'against' someone is hardly inspiring.
LesserOf2evils '08
Sorry Sergeant, the stakes
August 28, 2008 - 11:44 ET by Chris NormanSorry Sergeant, the stakes are just too high at this point to not vote to keep Obama out. I assume McCain will pick a conservative as Veep, but, really, what is that other than symbolism? McCain will make the policy. The Dems are the ones who go for symbolism. As much as McCain has irked me in the past and even now, there is no way I'm not going to vote for him - even in the highly unlikely event he does choose Lieberman. If Obama gets in, we may never have an open debate about this again.
McNotObama '08
I expected as much
August 28, 2008 - 11:58 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou are for the status quo. And further demonstrate that you're content for voting 'against' something rather than for it.
Nominating Romney at least grooms a potential candidate in 2012 or 2016. Unlike, a Dick Cheney selection for example.
This voting 'against' thinking has presented itself the last few election cycles. I can't imagine why so few vote nowadays.
LesserOf2evils '08
Yeah, well I'd far rather
August 28, 2008 - 12:14 ET by Chris NormanYeah, well I'd far rather have the "status quo" than the "status Obama" for years to come. If you'd rather have us all suffer under an Obama presidency just to keep McCain out and preserve ideological purity, then, please don't complain after you get your wish.
McNotObama '08
McCainiacs ATTACK!
August 28, 2008 - 12:20 ET by Sergeant ROCKAs I have said repeatedly, my problem is with people like you who are content with the status quo. All you care about is how evil the other guy is. By doing so, you validate the GOP strategy of being slightly less evil or liberal than the other guy. As long as you see a 'R' by the name, you are content. This was the strategy used when the GOP nominated Bob Dole. What a success that was!
Further, it's not about 'keeping McCain out', it's about effecting change in the GOP. Something of a concern amongst conservatives.
I guess you McCainiacs are confused by the signature below...
LesserOf2evils '08
<roll eyes>
And while people, like
August 28, 2008 - 12:43 ET by Chris NormanAnd while people, like you, worry about perfect conservative ideological purity, like your liberal counterparts in Kos and MoveOn, the rest of us will worry about trying to survive the next eight years under Obama. You can use that time, working on purging everyone from the GOP who doesn't agree with you 1000%.
McNotObama '08
Wrong again McCainiac
August 28, 2008 - 12:50 ET by Sergeant ROCKNot a 1000%, at least 75-80% would do nicely, not the 30-45% you get with McCain. Ever heard of Reagan?
So, don't blame me for your low standards!
LesserOf2evils '08
Oh please. As much as I
August 28, 2008 - 13:02 ET by Chris NormanOh please. As much as I admired Ronald Reagan, he wasn't as nearly pure ideolocially or as successful as time that has passed might make him seem. Do you remember in 1976, when he pre-selected Richard Schweiker, the liberal GOP senator from Pennsylvania as his running mate (before he lost the nomination to Ford - who you never would have voted for). Did you scream bloody murder at that time? How about when he selected the moderate George Bush as his running mate? How about when he failed to limit abortion? Please don't throw up the "Ronald Reagan test" to me.
McNotObama '08
Dodge and parry
August 28, 2008 - 13:10 ET by Sergeant ROCKI was not happy about the Bush selection. So, nice try.
Nice try on the obfuscation too, but the simple fact remains that I don't have a 1000% requirement, just a higher standard than you. No need to start foaming at the mouth... geez!
McCAINIAC! OR DIIIIIEEEEE!!!
LesserOf2evils '08
That's pretty funny.
August 28, 2008 - 14:02 ET by Chris NormanThat's pretty funny. "Foaming"? I'm not the one who goes around here with the tough talk that I won't vote for that RINO McCain unless he picks a conservative VP (like that means anything - what's he going to do - mount a coup?). Since you admire Reagan so much, consider his commandment that he would not speak ill of another Republican. Whatever else, he supported his party's nominee and didn't walk away when he didn't get the one he may have wanted.
McNotObama '08
McCainiacs ATTACK!
August 28, 2008 - 14:16 ET by Sergeant ROCKI figured you'd like that one.
What's even funnier is how you guys say on the one hand that McCain was not your choice, but you rabidly defend him anyway against any criticism whatsoever (Btw.. I'm not his only critic on here). Hell, you may as well defend Obama too!
I have to admit that while the brow-beating that I receive won't convert me to McCainiac status, it is nonetheless annoying. Which is odd seeing that how the only way McCain will win is by bringing in the conservative vote.
Oh, I think that when Reagan said that there was no such term as: RINO.
LesserOf2evils '08
Sergeant Rock, you ARE the status quo
August 29, 2008 - 03:05 ET by CobraMan"As I have said repeatedly, my problem is with people like you who are content with the status quo."
Sergeant Rock, you become part of the "status quo" when you don't vote. If you refuse to vote, for any reason, then you are allowing others to make a decision for you. In this case you’re letting the majority make a decision of who you should support for President simply because you find it too difficult, or too unpleasant, to make that decision yourself. I suggest that you get off your lazy ass and VOTE! If not, then stop complaining about "the status quo," as that is what you are deferring to when you refuse to vote.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
A way to solve your problem
August 29, 2008 - 03:27 ET by CobraMan"my problem is with people like you ..."
MY problem is with people like you who bitch, moan, and complain about something while not actually doing anything to change it. If you don't like the"status quo" as you claim, then DO SOMETHING to change it, other than to complain and point fingers at other people. For example, there is a way for you to try to solve your “problem“ with the Republican party, and that's to form your own party. You can even run for President yourself, there's nothing preventing it. Change is possible, but you actually have to DO SOMETHING to make change happen. It doesn't happen just because you complain about it.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
RIght of way
August 28, 2008 - 11:52 ET by 911isbusySarg,
If you have the right-of-way to cross the street because you have the green light, do you walk across even though there is a speeding car about to hit you? Your argument says you would walk across on principle. But you won't be around long enough to tell yourself you did the right thing.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
Since we're speaking of
August 28, 2008 - 11:59 ET by JoeBobSince we're speaking of swords, death by 1000 cuts and seppuku both result in the same outcome...one's over quicker and with less pain, though.
Without recognizing the ordinances of Heaven, it is impossible to be a superior man. - Confucious
McCain is butter knife
August 28, 2008 - 12:22 ET by 911isbusyMcCain is a butter knife to Obama's Samurai. I'll take my chances with the butter knife until I get to vote for the salve four years from now.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
Incorrect assumptions
August 28, 2008 - 12:04 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, that's what they said about Klinton too. And yet, here we are.
It's a good thing that the Founding Fathers stood on principle rather than fear of the consequences.
Btw.. it's not an absolute that I will not vote for McCain. It's up to McCain, not the brow-beating I receive from McCainiacs.
LesserOf2evils '08
Sarge, Reading your
August 28, 2008 - 12:11 ET by KarmaSarge,
Reading your recent posts, you do a nice job of summarizing my thoughts on McCain and the coming election. Thanks.
Dunderheads
August 28, 2008 - 12:31 ET by Sergeant ROCKIt's painfully obvious that the GOP is on a course of self-destruction. And yet, you have people on here blathering on, not how great their guy is, but rather how bad the other guy is! WOW! How inspiring!
What worries me is that fewer and fewer people on our side are becoming less interested in the process and therefore not voting or becoming registered to vote. Doesn't seem to be a problem for the democRATic party, however.
This is the worse case of 'the lesser of two evils' that I have seen. When does it end?
LesserOf2evils '08
Founding Fathers made compromises
August 28, 2008 - 12:17 ET by 911isbusyJohn Adams had to compromise on the issue of slavery to get some critical colonies to decide to go to war against the British. Don't let your idealism remove you from the practical reality of where we are. All in good time.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
Founding Fathers made compromises
August 29, 2008 - 03:11 ET by DC2280" All in good time "
That's what the witch said in the - Wizard of Oz -
SR... You aren't
August 28, 2008 - 12:26 ET by bigtimerSR...
You aren't alone...
I too will vote for McCain if he picks a conservative running mate, as I have stated before...that is the only reason...period.
This is the first time I have ever really cared all that much about a VP pick, it is of the utmost importance to me.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Odd times
August 28, 2008 - 12:38 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhat a strange situation we find ourselves in.
McCain's one decision here could sink his campaign. Of course, it will be our fault should, in spite of McCain's ineptness, Obama be elected!
I keep telling myself that McCain will make the right choice. However, there seems to be trend where these guys pick someone who will not out-shine them.
LesserOf2evils '08
If the lights are green in
August 28, 2008 - 12:04 ET by KarmaIf the lights are green in both directions, due to incompetence, wouldn't it be prudent to just stay on the sidewalk and be ready to help victims of the inevitable accident to come?
You will have either McCain or Obama no other choice is availabl
August 28, 2008 - 12:12 ET by 911isbusyNo. You can choose not to vote but you will still have either Obama or McCain as your president. Think of it as someone pushing you into the street, and you have a choice to get hit either by a Mack truck or a by a bicyclist.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
Bicyclist? McCain? Oh
August 28, 2008 - 12:34 ET by KarmaBicyclist? McCain? Oh my.
Someone pushing me into the street? A truck would be the least of their worries. I will vote or not vote for whomever. Not much anyone can do about it. I'll sleep well in any event. Good luck to you.
I heard that Obama..
August 28, 2008 - 12:40 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. will eat your children should he be elected.
YIKES!
LesserOf2evils '08
Straw man
August 28, 2008 - 12:53 ET by 911isbusyNothing left but straw men for the Sargeant.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
McCainiacs ATTACK!
August 28, 2008 - 13:16 ET by Sergeant ROCKHumorless McCainiacs... there's a surprise.
LesserOf2evils '08
OMG!! Where did you hear
August 28, 2008 - 13:10 ET by KarmaOMG!!
Where did you hear that??
Did he specifically say MY children??
Will it be at the inaugural dinner?
This is like winning Shirley Jacksons' Lottery!!
Obama or McCain will be your next president
August 28, 2008 - 12:49 ET by 911isbusyChoose not to vote if you wish. You will still either have McCain or Obama as your next president. If you sleep well with either, why bother with being on this site when the discussion is about politics?
The same..
August 28, 2008 - 12:53 ET by Sergeant ROCK... could be asked of YOU.
LesserOf2evils '08
I will be voting
August 28, 2008 - 12:54 ET by 911isbusyI will be voting sir.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
No s***?
August 28, 2008 - 13:12 ET by Sergeant ROCKSo will I, McCainiac.
LesserOf2evils '08
I hope you're retired
August 28, 2008 - 13:22 ET by 911isbusyOur military doesn't need idealists like you risking our soldier's lives - what we need are pragmatists that face what they are confronted with not with what they dream about. Second, if you want to call me names like some schoolboy, try a derivative of Mike Huckabee as that is who I wanted to win.
By the way, did I mention Ronald Reagan was not on the ballot this year?
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
McCainiac
August 28, 2008 - 13:30 ET by Sergeant ROCKHuckabee? Ha ha ha..
"If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that hollers is the one that got hit."
Quit hollerin' and get use to the fact that everyone is not going to agree with you. Get over yourself already.
LesserOf2evils '08
At least Huckabee is alive
August 28, 2008 - 13:38 ET by 911isbusyCan't say the same for Reagan.
As for your second comment, two things: (1) your "everyone" comment is another straw man and (2) I will use your own words against you, "the same could be said of you".
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
XX
August 28, 2008 - 13:47 ET by serfer62Sgt Rock. MacNasty enjoys poking conservatives in the eye too much to pass this golden opportunity to do it again with a liberman-like selection.
The very idea of toying with such a selection is damning to his qualifications as POTHUS. How can you count on anything from this clown who continues to poke all America with his assine projects; global warming, amensty, refusing to drill, increase taxes of fuel, cap & trade etc etc.
I'll vote but not for Prez unless Gov Romney is on the ticket
McCainiacs ATTACK!
August 28, 2008 - 14:01 ET by Sergeant ROCKI'm with you there. However, your factually based criticisms will not be well received by the fear-mongering McCainiacs. lol
LesserOf2evils '08
So SR who most resembled
August 28, 2008 - 14:34 ET by general companySo SR who most resembled Reagan in your opinion, this last primary? Who are you looking to in the future?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
General Company
August 28, 2008 - 14:44 ET by Sergeant ROCKThe closest, in my opinion, would probably have to be Romney. He's been a governor, run businesses, etc. We're faced with picking one of two Senators for President. I would argue that the Senate is one of the biggest problems we have in government today. To Obama's credit, at least he hasn't been a Senator long enough to be an 'insider' like McCain.
In the end, most of those on the right will vote for McCain. Especially, if he picks Romney. But, we don't have to be doing cartwheels down the street about it, that's for sure.
LesserOf2evils '08
SR... I just want to say
August 28, 2008 - 14:59 ET by bigtimerSR...
I just want to say real quick here since I feel just like you do, and others, and have posted as such and have had my on back and forths with others over time...awhile back when McCain was decided for us....Noel and I had a back and forth debate about this one evening months ago now...
What is going to end up happening, it was in my last post to him that evening, is that the msm is going to make us all so angry we will most likely vote against them, therefore McCain...and they are doing one hell of a job so far of making that happen.
I just pray tomorrow that he doesn't stick it in the eye of us conservatives again with his VP pick.
...also, I will be glad when all of this is over...some of us who normally agree with each other most times are getting into squabbles and differences with each other that we normally wouldn't.
But I do feel it's healthy, I just wished it would end soon. I do not like to be made to feel guilty about how I view things or how I would vote if others like to say well if you don't vote for McCain you are voting for Obama blah blah blah...it is getting past old.
To top things off...I really believe Obama is going to lose by a lot...but I have been wrong before...that is for sure.
I sure am getting burnt out by this long never-ending campaign and love-fest for the empty leftist sock-puppet.
That is my rant...I'm done, thanks for listening.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
It's not a bother.
August 28, 2008 - 13:25 ET by KarmaIn the face of disaster, being well rested and staying relatively calm is a fine sword to have with you.
Liberal media bias, for a large part, is why we have the candidates we do. Political acquiescence is another. No animosity 911. We just don't see eye to eye on this issue.
I agree there were not many choices
August 28, 2008 - 13:29 ET by 911isbusybut I never asked you to replace Reagan with McCain as your hero. My point was Reagan is not on the ballot.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
Who brought up Reagan?
August 28, 2008 - 13:48 ET by KarmaOf course Reagan isn't on the ballot. And just between me, you and everyone else who reads this, I have no heros. Not in this world anyway.
McCainiacs ATTACK!
August 28, 2008 - 13:58 ET by Sergeant ROCKHa ha ha! I mentioned Reagan as far as what level of conservatism I look for. And dunderhead here starts his strawman attack about Reagan nor being on the ballot - Really? What a genius.
My signature fails to compute with these dunderheads. It's either you better like McInsane or else!!
LesserOf2evils '08
Rocky road of reasoning
August 28, 2008 - 14:15 ET by 911isbusyThe subject was who to vote for come next election. Your gripe is that McCain is no Reagan (on this I agree). My point is Reagan is not on the ballot so now you have two choices: Obama or McCain. Quod erat demonstrandum.
No one asked you to like McCain (another straw man)- just pushed for why you should vote for him. Why can't you reason without hurling insults?
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
Wrong again McCainiac
August 28, 2008 - 14:34 ET by Sergeant ROCKCan't you get anything right?
No, I used Reagan as a point of reference of what degree of conservatism I look for in a candidate. You, and other McCainiacs like you, are trying to guilt conservatives (which, you evidently are not) into picking the 'lesser of two evils'.
Further, I don't recall you being a part of the original discussion. Maybe had you been, or at least been payying attention, you would've noted that I have stated (like several others here) that we will most likely vote for McCain, begrudgingly. Had you not been a Johnny come lately to the conversation, you'd have seen that my original point was where the GOP has come to and the consequences of voting for McCain or not at all.
While most can appreciate your word wizardy and to a lesser degree, the santimonious claptrap, at least come to the conversation knowing what was actually said.
LesserOf2evils '08
You like to play pretend Sarge
August 28, 2008 - 15:01 ET by 911isbusySo now:
1) I'm trying to make you feel guilty, 2) I am not a conservative, 3) My arguments are invalid because I came "late" to the discussion (though I can read it just the same) and 4) I don't see that McCain is the lesser of two evils.
I don't want you to feel guilty Sarge - just want you to stop dreaming.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
911, Before it gets
August 28, 2008 - 16:14 ET by JoeBob911,
Before it gets really nasty here, let me ask what I hope are reasonable questions.
Why are you so afraid of Obama being the end-all for the United States? In four years you get another shot at it. But if McCain, as SR postulates, is the end-all of the Republican party, who are you going to vote for in four years? Many people around here <koff, sarcasmo, koff> will chew your ear off about the obstacles to a third-party candidate. When the Repubs end up left of center and the Dems way left of center, who ya gonna vote for?
If SCOTUS nominations are the only reason to keep Obama out, keep in mind that the liberal appointees are replacing liberal retirees. If you're banking on McCain to put the judges in place to overturn Roe, don't hold your breath. His Gang of 14 moves show he doesn't have the stomach to fight for good judges, and we'll just end up listening to "...what are you whining about, a Repub appointed him" (Souter, Kennedy) again.
If I shouldn't let idealism get in the way of pragmatism (said above), can't I demand the same of others as well, specifically McCain? If McCain is pragmatic about wanting my vote, he'll pick a VP that gives me some hope for the future of the party. If he thinks he can win on the votes of disenchanted Hillary supporters and independents, that's a fine pragmatic decision as well, but, like all of us, he'll have to live with the consequences of his decision. Is me not paying somebody to spit in my eye pragmatic enough?
What concerns me more than a brown-shirted socialist who could never implement 1/20th of his agenda without bringing this country to its feet in justifiable outrage is the stealthy incremental decline of values and morals perpetuated by those we have held up as the very defenders of those values and morals.
JoeBob
Without recognizing the ordinances of Heaven, it is impossible to be a superior man. - Confucious
I think we have the same hero then
August 28, 2008 - 14:03 ET by 911isbusy"...not in this world anyway..."
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
Chris and others...here is
August 28, 2008 - 11:39 ET by bigtimerChris and others...here is a very good article that explains everything, touches on congress-critters invilved and gets into the internet with the Fairness Doctrine...like I say it is well done.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Thanks bt,I scanned it and
August 28, 2008 - 11:58 ET by Chris NormanThanks bt,
I scanned it and saved it in My Favorites to read later.
If anyone thought we were hysterical before in our worry that the Democrats would try to silence the areas from where criticism of them was coming, the Obama campiaign's actions from today should be show that we may have been too narrow in our concerns with just the Fairness Doctrine (or whatever name they try to sneak it in under).
With an added Democrat majority in Congress, a chance for them to pack more liberals on the SCOTUS, mobs of cultish supporters, and the media in their pocket, Obama and the Dems will have all kinds of tools at their disposal to silence conservatives and make liberalism the dominant power for years to come.
McNotObama '08
Heck, Obama camp has
August 28, 2008 - 11:29 ET by bigtimerHeck, Obama camp has already filed a complaint to the Justice Dept. no less... whining about some political ad against The Chosen One they don't like from a 527 group.... I heard yesterday that the group filed a reply back...
Talk about going to extremes to attempt to scare others off with these tactics...suppress speech is the way with the left...you know those Free Speech screeching Progressives...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Here is the link with a
August 28, 2008 - 11:55 ET by bigtimerHere is the link with a video of the ad plus the complaint filed to the Justice Dept.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Does anyone
August 28, 2008 - 11:33 ET by kilrodDoes anyone have anymore detail of the ABC news producer/cameraman, getting arrested at the dims convention, while trying to film the dim bigwheels, who were attending a big party put on by the lobbyist???
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
WWPRD?
August 28, 2008 - 11:45 ET by AgentAmericanWhat would Paul Revere Do?
http://www.youtube.c...
This is a wake up call...this smells of Kristalnacht...
Drill ANWAR
"Assemble my minions, NOW"
August 28, 2008 - 12:24 ET by SickofLibsWhat a bunch of lying thugs.
Under a hypothetical Obama-Pelosi regime, the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine will be Job 1 and FLY thru the legislature. The war, the economy and energy will be mere distractions.
Two Words ... Supreme Court
August 28, 2008 - 12:52 ET by WoodiebobWhile you are busy "not voting" for McCain, you may want to remember that the President is a maximum of 12 years but the Supreme Court is forever.
How would you like 30 years of radical left-wing legislation from the Bench? Imagine every one of our rights being "challenged" before a court full of Ginsburgs ... No more freedoms of the press, no more rights to own firearms and more.
This election may be the most important one in both your lifetimes as well as your children's. I don't trust McCain to protect our boarders but I DO trust him with National Defense and the Supreme Court.
Not voting for McCain IS voting for BO, and that stinks.
Freedom of the press for me but not for thee
12 years for POTUS
August 28, 2008 - 12:58 ET by LionKingHow do you figure 12 years for POTUS?
As for the justification for McCain...2 potential SCOTUS is enough in addition to BHO just scarying the H--- out of me.
LK, probably a VP carrying
August 28, 2008 - 13:13 ET by MassConservLK, probably means a VP carrying out the term of a dead pres. (a la, William Henry Harrison) plus two, perhaps?
12 years ...
August 28, 2008 - 13:18 ET by WoodiebobFDR .... in time of Declaired War... two terms plus to the duration of the war.
I should have said 8 years but was stretching to the maximum of 12, but that is still nothing in comparison to the Supremes.
Besides, if BO (I think I will just start calling him Stinky)... if Stinky can have 58 states, just think how many years he can have as POTUS.
President for 12 years?
August 28, 2008 - 13:10 ET by ChasvsI believe it's 2 terms of 4 years = 8 years. Not 12.
Read the Book
August 28, 2008 - 13:08 ET by ChasvsThe Case Against Barack Obama lays out his MO clearly.
This is the way BHO has gotten where he is today!
Sponsored by Liberals and Terrorists, he doesn't beat the competition, he eliminates it!
Saul Alynsky would be proud of his follower Barack Obama. His efforts to destroy the Democrcy of this Country is nearly complete.
Hey Barack, We don't need your Stinkin CHANGE!