Update added 10/19 (see below)
James Walton has been through a lot recently. The 70 year old senior citizen shot and killed 2 suspected burglars within a three week span at his business and place of residence in Dallas. This prompted a Fox News reporter to track him down and berate him on camera until he broke down and cried.(h/t Malkin, Riehl World View)
The reporter, Rebecca Aguilar, tracked the man down in a parking lot where he was buying a new shot gun to replace the one that was confiscated by police as evidence in the latest incident. From there she followed the man to his car where she stood over him and berated him with questions such as "Are you a trigger happy person? Is that what you wanted to do; shoot to kill?" (video here).
The Dallas police are defending Walton's actions. According to some reports Mr. Walton has made over 40 calls to police concerning break ins.
Police said Mr. Walton is allowed to protect his property. No charges were filed against him Sunday, though the case will be referred to a grand jury, police said.
"He's got a right to defend his property. What gives a stranger the right to go in and vandalize or burglarize his business?" said Dallas police Sgt. Gene Reyes. "He's within every legal right to do this."
Fox News has removed the video of the report and suspended the reporter in response to angry viewer outrage at her demeanor.
Apparently the thought that a person has the right to defend himself and his family on his own property seems to be a foreign concept to some people. The reporter was not merely reporting on the story when she tracked down Mr. Walton, she was accusing him of being a trigger happy person that enjoys shooting people. This is ridiculous. Standing over the man and berating him in such a thug like manner was more than the man could take.
Rebecca Aguilar was just named one of the National Association of Hispanic Journalists' Broadcast Journalists of the Year.
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Update (Ken Shepherd | Oct. 19, 15:17): Bryan at Hot Air has a related item excerpting an e-mail that Aguilar sent a viewer upset with her reporting:
A Dallas viewer started typing off an angry email to KDFW-TV’s Rebecca Aguilar even before her infamous story had finished airing. And she actually replied.
Thanks for your feedback.
First of all, Mr. Walton is the one who told me where he was going to buy his shotgun. Though he didn’t want his face on camera, after he showed us the new weapon…. he did want to share his side of the story. He didn’t want folks to think he was some kind of criminal. That’s why he shared his tears, his remorse, and his side of the story. I also reminded viewers that Mr. Walton did not break any laws, because he was in the right. I’m sorry you took my story the wrong way. You didn’t see my story yesterday…when I pointed out that the man Mr. Walton killed had a criminal record involving theft. Rebecca Aguilar Fox 4 News.If we were allowed to show a still from the story (KDFW went the C&D route and got the video scrubbed from the internet almost entirely) I’d show a still of Aguilar standing in the open door of Walton’s car while she badgered him and fidgeted with her umbrella. It’s that picture plus Walton’s reaction, combined with Aguilar’s “Are you a trigger happy person?” line that we all “misunderstood.” It’s all our fault. Mea culpa.
It’s also my fault that I started a new genre of jokes at Ms. Aguilar’s expense too. Bad, bad blogger! Another bad, bad blogger has set up an Aguilar-related poll. Be a Democrat, and vote early, often and long after you die.



















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Why didnt this reporter go
October 18, 2007 - 08:26 ET by sunandsteelWhy didnt this reporter go and ask the guys why they thought they had the right to break in this gentlemans property. Oh, thats right, they are dead.
The Castle Doctrine was one of the best things Texas has done to protect property owners.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
That is my opinion. Well,
October 18, 2007 - 08:53 ET by dvdaughtryThat is my opinion.
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
Wait a second...
October 18, 2007 - 08:29 ET by sarcasmoIsn't this the pro-gun, "conservative" Fox News doing the reporting? (It's almost as if my own experiences with their stealthy but constant pro-big-government agenda have some validity despite the left's allegations of conservative bias, eh?)
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Fair and Balanced...........
October 18, 2007 - 08:43 ET by Brilliance"Fair and balanced" doesn't necessarily apply to "local" Fox affiliates.
C'mon - You know that.
Exactly sarcasmo - this is just one of many examples
October 18, 2007 - 09:18 ET by Dee Bunkof their liberal reporting. Sheppard Smith who is on the most has a definite liberal slant. I'd say overall their news reporting still leans left just not as much as the other networks. With the exception of Brit Hume - his news leans right but he's only on for an hour a day.
There are probably more opinion shows leaning right on Fox, but again their edge is nothing like the total domination of the leftist opinion shows on the Networks, CNN and CNBC.
I agree, but
October 18, 2007 - 09:29 ET by sarcasmoI also think the other poster's right about bias problems being pronounced in local affiliates. I can't go into detail, but suffice it to say a California Fox News local affiliate was literally willing to commit FL state law felony (the same statute that got those Democrat school board members from Jacksonville for snooping on Newt Gingrich, actually) in order to try to "get" my company. They failed, naturally, because as non-criminals we said nothing incriminating (what a shocker...) but I still have evidence of their attempt, which they even broadcast once before their lawyers gave them a clue & told them to quit.
They never got into any trouble whatsoever, and they later continued with the biased agenda. I sometimes wish I were more-litigious, but then I wouldn't be me.
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You're confused..
October 18, 2007 - 09:48 ET by Sergeant ROCKFNC has nothing to do with FOX affiliates - as the other poster stated.
Additionally, Brit Hume has a 'Grapewine' segment where 'opinions' are given - the rest of his show is Brit reporting the news. Don't confuse one for the other.
Most of FNC's detractors confuse opinion driven shows like O'Reilly or Hannity & Colmes with that of news broadcasts by the MSM in the 6:30PM time slot or the various news magazine programs - apples and oranges.
FNC does a good job of reporting the news - good or bad. Whereas, the MSM has an agenda. Example: Dan Rather didn't mention the name 'Monica Lewinsky'.. for what? A month? I don't recall FNC sitting on the Larry Craig story. NewsBusters, etc. have chronicled this agenda for quite some time now. And I have yet to see any evidence that suggests FNC is campaigning for Republican or conservative candidates as the MSM does for liberals - mainly democRATS.
It's erroneous to conclude that since the MSM is hard left, then FNC must be hard right. News is news. It is neither right or left. If it is presented as such, then it's called propaganda.
Sarge, I'm confused.....
October 18, 2007 - 10:06 ET by BrillianceI am under the impression that since "local" Fox newscasts use the familiar icon - small red stripe base, large blue block middle complete with skyward flood lights, that they must be affiliated with the national powerhouse "Fox News Channel".
Is this not so?
FNC
October 18, 2007 - 10:12 ET by Sergeant ROCKI believe the affiliation is with the FOX network, not FNC. Anyway, given the rogue nature of these affiliates it can hardly be alleged that they are getting their marching orders from FNC.
No confusion there..............
October 18, 2007 - 10:27 ET by BrillianceYou're right.
No way no how do local "Fox" stations take their marching orders from FNC.
Local Fox stations apparently sport a decidely leftward tilt.
I'm not confused Sarg
October 18, 2007 - 10:08 ET by Dee BunkBrit Hume is conservative and it shows in his delivery. It's not nearly as bad as the network anchors who lean dramatically left. He's definitely more even keel and objective than they are.
I disagree that fox does a good job of reporting the news other than Brit Hume's show. Sheppard smith and most of the others are tabloid liberals. As far as political shows, the most balanced one out there is Chris Wallace (though he still leans left).
It's impossible for anyone not to lean one way or the other but Brit Hume (in his delivery of the news not his questions) and Chris Wallace are the best out there. Hume leans further right when he takes on the role of questioner, but again even that is much less skewed than the networks.
Brit is the best
October 18, 2007 - 10:25 ET by Sergeant ROCKThe keyword here is OBJECTIVE. You can't say that about the others. Nor can you say that Brit Hume as an agenda opposite that of his liberal contemporaries.
Sheppard Smith is more weird than liberal. Again, I don't see him or any of the other alleged liberals carrying out a campaign to promote liberalism at the behest of FNC headquarters. And here again, you're bringing up 'opinion' driven shows and comparing them to network news - apples and oranges.
I think it's fair to say that both Brit and Chris asks the questions that need asking and the agenda-driven MSM won't ask them.
Sarge- I don't know what you are talking about
October 18, 2007 - 12:18 ET by Dee BunkI'm not comparing opinion shows to news shows and I haven't said that the networks are objective. How you got that from anything I've said is beyond me. I've compared Brit Hume to the Network News and said he's much better and more objective and I've compared Chris Wallace's show to the opinion shows on the networks and said he's much more objective.
The only points we seem to disagree on is that I think Sheppard smith is a liberal weirdo and you think he's just weird; and I think that except for Hume's show the other NEWS on Fox leans left and is tabloid like and I don't know what you think. I guess you think Sheppard's news show is fine.
Birt Hume
October 18, 2007 - 12:30 ET by Sergeant ROCKWith the exception of Brit Hume - his news leans right but he's only on for an hour a day.
By this, I concluded that's what you were doing - comparing Hume's show to network news which on in the same hour.
My point is that, Brit Hume, regardless of his 'delivery', hardly has a rightwing agenda and does a terrific job of covering news that either doesn't get covered by the MSM or takes an objective look at those that are. Sheppard Smith is an opinion-driven show, so it doesn't matter as far as he's concern.
Brit Hume's show is the closest thing to a 'evening news' alternative that there is at the moment and it's hands-down better than anything else the MSM has to offer.
So we agree about Hume
October 18, 2007 - 12:45 ET by Dee Bunkas I said, there is no way to eliminate bias completely. He does the best job of any.
We disagree about Sheppard Smith, unless it's changed (I haven't watched in a really long time) his was a news show - a very bad news show.
Fox News
October 18, 2007 - 10:10 ET by JEB Stewartsarcasmo
That is probably why she got suspended. If this has been the local ABC affiliate she would have gotten her story on the ABC Nightly News and praised for her reporting skills.
Texas. Not only the leader in capital punishment,
but we have an express lane :)
Congratulations!
October 18, 2007 - 08:34 ET by Sergeant ROCK... are in order for her promotion to the anchor desk at CNN.
I disagree with FOX on this
October 18, 2007 - 08:35 ET by danboI disagree with FOX on this one.
They should have left the video up. We should be able to see this creature in action. The bad behavior of journalist is as much news as many videos they leave up.
Secondly they should have fired her. Not suspended her.
I'm sure this poor man went through hell. And hope he's doing well.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Nobel Prize
October 18, 2007 - 08:38 ET by Sergeant ROCKShe will be on the short list for the next Nobel Peace Prize.
Agreed.
October 18, 2007 - 08:44 ET by sarcasmoHopefully, YouTube will keep 'em honest despite the fact Fox they pulled it down. Aha- it's here...
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Yes it's at. "There is a
October 18, 2007 - 08:50 ET by danboYes it's at.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Thanks.
October 18, 2007 - 08:54 ET by sarcasmoIf they're going to keep this distorter despite her obvious antigun bigotry, I wonder what would constitute suitable pennance as a substitute for just being fired for incompetence/bias? I'm with "go spend a week at Knob Creek learning just how damn ignorant you are about another culture, despite what are probably many politically-correct pronouncements about different cultures."
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She should be sent to
October 18, 2007 - 12:02 ET by bassndudeShe should be sent to Darfur to see just how the unarmed are treaded by the armed. She could be their voice there and do man on the street interviews, such as the one she did in Dallas. She could walk up to one of those AK-47 toting guys and berate them and call them trigger happy goons. Ask one of them if they bought that gun to kill people with.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Yep
October 18, 2007 - 08:38 ET by KillgraveI find it highly ironic this broad was doing an ambush of her own with shots to the gut.
Words can cause real harm, too, correct? Isn't this what these whiners say all the time?
Nice
October 18, 2007 - 08:47 ET by taterWhat kind of journalism is this??? He of course had every right to defend his property. I doubt you can be real civil with people trying to take your stuff during the middle of the night. Who knows...the two jokers might have been packing heat of their own and be just as "trigger happy" as Mr. Watson.
Of course..
October 18, 2007 - 08:51 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. she will never be on record for asking an incarcerated murderer why they are so 'trigger happy'?
So if this idiot reporter
October 18, 2007 - 09:01 ET by rbosqueSo if this idiot reporter were about to be raped and she had a gun in her hand, she'd put it down to get raped? Then do the same a few days later? She wouldn't defend herself???
"Journalists"
October 18, 2007 - 09:09 ET by iveseenitallI like Fox news, but I hate it when guys like O'Reilly send their attack dogs out to harass people, even if they have done something wrong. This, IMHO, is not the function of a news organization. What's the difference between this and having your government harass you? Is privacy not a right? This stinks. I'd know they'd be arrested , but I'd love to see someone turn around and deck one of these creeps. There needs to be a check on "journalists"; it's out of hand.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Some "investigative"
October 18, 2007 - 09:24 ET by balboaSome "investigative" reporters get on this kick, and it's ridiculous. Anyone remember the Carl Monday incident? There's a difference between investigative reporting and just being obnoxious and invasive.
Along those same lines, I think paparazzi should be outlawed.
Paparazzi & the rights of idiots.
October 18, 2007 - 09:35 ET by sarcasmoDo some already-illegal things (which IMO should be punished for a change!) but aren't they and the celebrities they "stalk" (who actually call them up to say where they'll be, but we're not s'posed to know that!) really just part of a symbiotic relationship? And what would such a law look like? Don't like paparazzi? Don't view their tv shows or buy their rags, and they'll go away very soon without any new law required.
It may look tawdry to both of us, but what we're seeing is a relatively free market. The fact that we may think it's idiots, photographing other idiots, and the photos are only sold to other idiots, doesn't change the various idiots' rights to go do idiotic things.
JMR
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Oh I know it's symbiotic.
October 18, 2007 - 09:42 ET by balboaOh I know it's symbiotic. Britney can't stand the paps until she needs them. Same with Lohan and the rest of those morons. But there are celebs that don't ask for that kind of attention and yet get it constantly.
And yes, people to buy this stuff, and TMZ.com is a huge website, so they are supplying something people want.
Sarc and bal - the stars could avoid the paparazzi
October 18, 2007 - 09:48 ET by Dee Bunkby making a modest and un narcissistic living in independent films. They choose to go for the type of films that have viewers who also support the rag mags. They want to exploit the idiots with no consequences to themselves.
Some stars do it anyway
October 18, 2007 - 09:54 ET by sarcasmoHoward Stern is mostly able to ignore them and be ignored back, despite living in NYC. What I like about the paparazzi business is that it involves no government licensure, only initiative -- which can ultimately lead to a "good" reputation, like that one famous idiot in LA. More businesses should be that way.
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two things about Howard Stern
October 18, 2007 - 10:15 ET by Dee BunkHis listeners are not the type who get off on details about his personal life and his personal life pails in comparison to what he does on the air.
Ive, BOR tactic is fine
October 18, 2007 - 09:30 ET by Senior ChiefIve, BOR tactic is fine with me. Remember, Bill is not a newsman, he analyzes the news of the day that are worthy to us, but probably not worthy to the leftoid media and their agenda. The abortionist doctor in Kansas was exposed, the city of San Francisco fiasco was exposed, and this case of a senior citizen in Dallas shooting burglars, etc.
The leftist media will not print or report exactly what happened. The reporter shouldn't be taken out, but rather remind her that her job is to report and we, the audience, will decipher.
Attack Journalism
October 18, 2007 - 10:56 ET by River CityWhen BOR does this type of journalism I have only seen him use it against people in office like a judge or elected official. Someone can point out other instances if I am mistaken.
60 Minutes used attack journalism along time before BOR or any Fox affiliate thought of it. No one was complaining about anyone's feelings then. I don't care about the feelings of elected officials. We didn't have MRC.
"We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6-28-04 San Francisco
I would have backed the car
October 18, 2007 - 09:08 ET by danboI would have backed the car up and left.
I hope a reporter and cameraman will stalk her. Like she stalked this man. And ask her on camera if she enjoys tormentng people.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Second Amendment
October 18, 2007 - 09:11 ET by River CityThis guy is my 2nd Amendment hero for the week. The reporterette is the 1st Amendment LOSER of the week. JERK!
"We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6-28-04 San Francisco
2nd Shootee
October 18, 2007 - 09:19 ET by Hunter12The first burglar to pick the wrong place to steal at was named Raul Laureles.
Aguilar & Producer Must be Fired
October 18, 2007 - 09:22 ET by Tom SutcliffThis is a shameless, disgraceful attack and FOX 4 News should fire Aguilar and the producer who approved this ambush piece.
Having lived in the DFW area
October 18, 2007 - 09:27 ET by Meredith1966Having lived in the DFW area most of my life, I can say that this particular Fox affiliate is kind of the tabloid TV station in Dallas. They pull junk like this off and on for ratings purposes, over-the-top BS that makes them look foolish. As a footnote, they used to be a CBS affiliate, but when the Fox network purchased the rights to NFL games before the 1994 season, they changed their affilitation to Fox so they could continue broadcasting Cowboy games locally.
This woman makes me sick
October 18, 2007 - 09:33 ET by derbalTo answer one question, no, the burglars were both white.
And who wants to take bets on how long it takes the Hispanic community to protest her suspension, because the station is racist?
The first burglar had a
October 18, 2007 - 09:47 ET by Hunter12The first burglar had a latino name, Raul Laureles. I suspect Rebecca was pursuing her perchant for "give(giving) a voice to those who typically don’t have one in the media".
Make that self
October 18, 2007 - 09:50 ET by danboMake that self appointed hispanic leaders rather than the hispanic community. I assume they already started. We, just have heard it yet.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
"According to some reports
October 18, 2007 - 09:33 ET by Hero Squad"According to some reports Mr. Walton has made over 40 calls to police concerning break ins"
It looks to me like there are 38 criminals out there who should be thanking God they are still alive.
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Your sweet little daughter
October 18, 2007 - 09:52 ET by rbosqueYour sweet little daughter pointed to the Burma campaign plaque. My father-in-law was a trucker there and went up and down that route. He's suffered a stroke recently but he remembers his time there fondly (even though it was hard work). ;-)
My grandfather was an Army
October 18, 2007 - 12:33 ET by Hero SquadMy grandfather was an Army photgrapher in that theater. Unfortunately he died when I was 8 so I never really got to talk to him much about his experiences. A few years ago I was able to get extensive video of my other grandfather sharing his experiences with the Air Force in Italy.
Even though my daughter doesn't fully understand war yet, I'm just trying to lay the foundation of her appreciation for those who understand war all too well.
**My Daughter at the WWII Memorial
Reporters seem to think they
October 18, 2007 - 10:07 ET by Evil CapitalistReporters seem to think they are special and should be treated as special protected species. Since they love transparency what we need to do to hold them accountable is publish their addresses, license plates/etc. Should that happen, all of a sudden reporters will realize that actions have consequences.
If someone could get me Mr. Walton's address,
October 18, 2007 - 10:26 ET by YahooWatcherI would like to send him a box or two of ammo in case he has anymore problems with thieves.
Thank you in advance
Remember – Only white, Christian, heterosexual males can be racists. All others get a free pass.
ditto
October 18, 2007 - 10:53 ET by 19thatguy79I would appreciate that pleasure as well.
I especially enjoyed the "he asked us not to show his face for fear of retaliation" so they showed his face in EVERY OTHER SEGMENT ASIDE FROM THAT VOICE-OVER! and his car; not sure if they got the plates in on any shot...
I enjoy and am a racist as your signature hints; I also own guns, so that makes me even more evil. God bless 12 gauge 00 buck!
the reporter
October 18, 2007 - 10:38 ET by philhoeyI would like to track down the reporter and harass her asking if she likes to beat up on old people. (I are one)
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Understanding that Ms.
October 18, 2007 - 10:46 ET by BeowulfUnderstanding that Ms. Aguilar has an obvious anti-gun agenda, I still find it hard to comprehend why it's so difficult for these incredible nincompoops to grasp that if these two losers (and the 38 other ones who got away) didn't violate another person's property in commission of a crime, they wouldn't have been shot. And if the cops could function in other than a reactive mode, people wouldn't have to defend themselves. Unfortunately, people DO break into other people's property, and cops generally can't do anything until a crime has already been committed. Until both of these situations change, home/property owners will (rightly) shoot and kill criminals.
"Are you a trigger happy person? Is that what you wanted to do; shoot to kill?" It is kind of difficult to "wound" with a shotgun. And someone breaking into a 70 year-old's home/business in the middle of the night isn't there for tea and biscuits. Makes me wonder how many of the previous 38 break-ins were committed by these same two thugs?
As for myself, I grew up being taught that "if you're going to pull a gun on someone, you'd better be willing to shoot them. And if you're willing to shoot them, you'd better be willing to kill them" (and I am) - my father.
Anyone who is willing to put their own lives at risk to steal what I worked for, and possibly willing to hurt or kill me or mine, had BETTER understand that their life expectency is extremely low when they break in to my property. If someone wants what I have, they have two choices:
1. WORK FOR IT!
or,
2. Pay me for it.
Try to take it, the question that begs asking - Is it worth your life?
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
The REAL Reason for Aguilar's Rage
October 18, 2007 - 11:37 ET by PSPCplThe real reason why she was so angry is that James Walton refused to be a victim. Instead of having to report on the death of an elderly man at the hands of some unknown assailant, the MSM there had to report on a story that showed that the Second Amendment actually works (and in this case saving us alot of money, time, and effort). What added salt to the wound was that the it appears that the burglar was latino.
Three CHEERS to Mister Walton for exercising his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (I will be glad to supply hinm with the the 00 for the next idiot that wants to take him on)! Three JEERS to the reporter for her blatant bias and racism.
Typical lib: do as I say, not as I do (because you know very well that if someone had broken into her home with the intent to commit some heinous crime, had she been armed she would have shot him and without first asking him if was latino).
I'd like to clarify
October 18, 2007 - 11:48 ET by BeowulfI'd like to clarify something I've seen a couple of times on this post: 00 buckshot is not a good choice for home/business defense. #4 steel shot is ideal. 00 is the equivalent of a dozen or so .32 caliber bullets, which tend to punch right through walls and such, thus endangering innocents (while drilling serious holes in the perp). #4 steel shot has several distinct advantages in a defensive situation. It has plenty of take-down power, it has a better shot pattern, walls will tend to stop misses and stray pellets, and the steel shot is better for the environment (wouldn't want that poor burglar to get lead poisoning, would we?).
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Buckshot!
October 18, 2007 - 11:55 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat's true. Only bad thing is that it's more likely the perp will survive and hence become an ACLU client.
I would suggest using Glaser Safety Slugs in a handgun.
12 guage #4 shot at 10'
October 18, 2007 - 12:31 ET by Beowulf12 guage #4 shot at 10'? I don't see many survivors. Besides, there should be at least 4 more rounds after the first shot...
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Buckshot and Hate Crime
October 18, 2007 - 12:36 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, assuming it's not a single shot! ..lol.. Maybe not in Texas, but elsewhere in this country, shooting a perp multiple times might constitute a hate crime!
However, properly used, the shotgun is hands-down the best for home defense!
Beowulf, 00 buck is the
October 18, 2007 - 15:18 ET by bassndudeBeowulf, 00 buck is the prefered shot for hunting larger game. Velocity of 00 buck from a 12ga is from 625fps to 800fps, with a magnum load. Penetration into gel is around 21 inches at 9 feet. Not the wall penetration you might think, pattern is smaller and after passing through a body, walls are not an issue. There is only 8 of those in the shell. #4 buckshot, you have a wider dispersion and 34 of those pesky little varments running out the end at 600fps. More pellets, wider pattern, more misses. My personal favorite is the #1 buckshot. 16 pellets, 610fps, wider pattern but still small enough to get them all into the target(? do we really call them targets:-). Yes I want him to get lead poisioning.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
thanks for the tip
October 18, 2007 - 15:21 ET by 19thatguy79good to know; I'll grab some of that; even with my plug in for waterfowl, I'll still be able to get off a good 3 rounds before the perp hits the ground :). I'm not so concerned with lead vs. steel. if I have to fire, they'll die one way or another. the Glaser slugs looked good, but I may wait a while, as the wife has been wondering why I need ALL the ammo I'm "testing" heh heh.
The lasted news report
October 18, 2007 - 11:52 ET by Subsailor599The lasted news report that I heard was that Rebbecca was suspended indefinitely. No news on if the person that decided it should be aired is also suspended or not.
Ever since Texas got the castle doctrine, the local media has been trying their best to make anyone that defends themselves out to be trigger happy killers.
The man did not want to be interviewed or to be on camera, just defend himself and his business from criminals. It's a shame that the media does not care to respect his privacy.
reporter who ambushed home defender suspended!
October 18, 2007 - 12:01 ET by vrwc13Good news here.
v
“But is it good for everyone, and how soon will we know?” – Brian Williams NBC
This interview reminds me
October 18, 2007 - 12:13 ET by mgerardnThis interview reminds me of O'Reilly sending out his nitwit producer to accost people...
Don't start...
October 18, 2007 - 12:33 ET by Chris NormanDon't start...
Come on Chris, don't tell me
October 18, 2007 - 12:46 ET by mgerardnCome on Chris, don't tell me you approve of that guy following people out to their cars
Ssssst.
October 18, 2007 - 12:54 ET by Chris NormanSsssst.
Again, Chris Norman fails to
October 18, 2007 - 13:30 ET by mgerardnAgain, Chris Norman fails to respond.
I choose not to. There's a
October 18, 2007 - 13:35 ET by Chris NormanI choose not to. There's a difference.
Exactly right, Chris
October 18, 2007 - 13:45 ET by RJThis is one of those posters who inspired the following adage:
"Never wrestle in the mud with pigs. The pigs love it and you just get dirty."
RJ, There's been WAY too
October 18, 2007 - 13:55 ET by Chris NormanRJ,
There's been WAY too much of this guy and Leon here over the past few days. My refusal to baited by him is a public service I'm offering to everyone. I hope others here are as merciful. :)
Lol, Chris
October 18, 2007 - 14:00 ET by RJMy lips are zipped :^I
LOL - I agree with you
October 18, 2007 - 14:03 ET by mgerardnLOL - I agree with you -LOL. Everyone on this site is right.
write on bro A service
October 18, 2007 - 14:49 ET by TruthMongerwrite on bro
A service of the new NB respect police
waa....too much of this
October 18, 2007 - 14:01 ET by mgerardnwaa....too much of this guy.....waaa. Respond, Norman.
check out this bait!
October 18, 2007 - 14:51 ET by TruthMongercheck out this bait! must....resist....satan...
A service of the new NB respect police
When you are unable to
October 18, 2007 - 13:47 ET by mgerardnWhen you are unable to respond - choose not to.
Why??
October 18, 2007 - 14:21 ET by johnwaddWhy would he want to respond to such inanity? Ya savvy?
The newsbusters members have
October 18, 2007 - 14:33 ET by mgerardnThe newsbusters members have spoken - 'We only post responses in agreement to other posts'
mgerardn, You do know
October 18, 2007 - 14:39 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
You do know that people can look up your previous posts, right?
Maybe people on here are beginning to notice that your conversations (and I use the term very loosely) tend to degenerate into incoherence and name calling.
That might sound like a strong argument to a 15 year old, but it's a waste of time for the rest of us.
But hey, keep up that arrogance. Attitude over substance, right mgerardn?
This of course coming from a
October 18, 2007 - 14:41 ET by mgerardnThis of course coming from a group of people who just referred to 'muffia' when talking about Ellen DeGeneres...and lubricated cigars. Real intelligence.
mgerardin, Did I say
October 18, 2007 - 14:44 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardin,
Did I say those things?
No.
Just making sure that you understand that the people who post here are individuals - not part of a collective hive conscience.
yeah megahardon -
October 18, 2007 - 14:48 ET by TruthMongeryeah megahardon - resistance is futile
shacked you on that there bro
A service of the new NB respect police
>>just making sure that you
October 18, 2007 - 14:50 ET by mgerardn>>just making sure that you understand that the people who post here are individuals
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i wish this guy would
October 18, 2007 - 14:52 ET by TruthMongeri wish this guy would respond to me:(
A service of the new NB respect police
Truth Monger
October 18, 2007 - 14:55 ET by RJI warned above: Never wrestle in the mud with pigs. The pigs love it and you just get dirty.
rj
October 18, 2007 - 14:57 ET by TruthMongeryou don't like to play in the mud? i do:)
A service of the new NB respect police
LOL?
October 18, 2007 - 14:58 ET by mgerardnLOL?
TM
October 18, 2007 - 14:59 ET by RJI predict the inanities and non sequiturs will bore you silly.
Go back to your nap. Still
October 18, 2007 - 16:28 ET by danboGo back to your nap. Still nothing important. Just the same stupidity as last night.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
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yes, I understand Mr.
October 18, 2007 - 14:58 ET by mgerardnyes, I understand Mr. Truthmonger - hold on, someone just called Joy Behar fat and ugly, I think I'll go LOL them on a response.
lol and lkwjfeuofherefe
October 18, 2007 - 15:08 ET by TruthMongerlol
and lkwjfeuofherefe them too while yer at it...
A service of the new NB respect police
mgerardn, I kind of find
October 18, 2007 - 15:01 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
I kind of find it amusing how you seem incapable of carrying on a real conversation without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
Really, while your at it, why not call the posters here you disagree with a bunch of doody-heads. That's pretty much on your level, isn't it?
why don't you look at how
October 18, 2007 - 15:03 ET by mgerardnwhy don't you look at how this post came about - I made a claim that BOR does the same thing with his producer that this lady does - and 98% of the responses avoided responding to that issue!!! It looks like you guys are the one's who don't respond. Remember, I started the comment. RESPOND to it.
Does a Bronx cheer count as
October 18, 2007 - 15:08 ET by Clear thinkerDoes a Bronx cheer count as a response?
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Only if the Yankees were
October 18, 2007 - 15:16 ET by mgerardnOnly if the Yankees were still in the playoffs...
mgerardn, And I was
October 18, 2007 - 15:08 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
And I was offering a suggestion as to why people might be ignoring you. Why not comment on THAT?
See how I put that in capital letters for emphasis. Pretty cool, eh?
I wasn't commenting on the BOR thing so I'm not obligated to follow up on it.
Your chicken and the egg
October 18, 2007 - 15:15 ET by mgerardnYour chicken and the egg comment is hilarious. You first say that people aren't responding to my comment because I'm engaging in ad-hominem attacks, but how can I engage in ad-hominem attacks if people don't respond to my comment!!!!!!
mgerardn, Wow - that was
October 18, 2007 - 15:27 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
Wow - that was some high powered thinking there to try to suggest that there's something like a contradiction (or maybe even a paradox) in my argument.
Except for this little thing we like to call "time". See, it goes like that. You show up on this website and engage people in conversation. At that time, they notice that your conversations tend to break down into incoherent statements and name calling. Still with me?
Now, at a later time, when those same people see you making other posts, they might be inclined to ignore you because of your actions in the past.
See how that works? Should I put some exclamation points here for emphasis?
That's great - so let me see
October 18, 2007 - 15:48 ET by mgerardnThat's great - so let me see if I'm clear on your profile of the people on this site - someone posts a comment - rather than respond to the comment, they partake in an exhaustive study of the user's past comments to determine whether they should continue with a response. Then, even at that point - they may still respond to the post, but with the clear intent to not respond to the comment.
mgerardn, You honestly
October 18, 2007 - 16:05 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
You honestly don't get the idea that people will tend to avoid posters that have a history of acting rude?
And that if they do respond to one of their posts, it might probably be to just take digs at them?
You really don't get that?
You don't know that posters
October 18, 2007 - 16:21 ET by mgerardnYou don't know that posters read comments that may point out fallacies in their logic, and rather than respond to them, they attempt to change the subject so that they don't admit to the flaws in their theories. Example: BOR's producer going out to ambush people is equivalent to the Fox reporter's ambush. Response? Anyone? That's not a fair argument? Yeah, maybe it is...
You really don't get that?
mgerardn, Wow. You really
October 18, 2007 - 16:30 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
Wow. You really are arrogant. (If you want to take that as me calling you a name, go ahead.)
You honestly think the people on this website are so intimidated by your argumentative skills and your supposed ability to point out inconsistencies in their thinking that they will avoid you out of fear or frustration?
Dude.
I hate to break it to you, but I think a lot of people don't bother commenting to your posts because you act like a jerk.
Yes, that was me calling you a name.
Did you say those things?
October 18, 2007 - 15:01 ET by mgerardnDid you say those things? No, but you did reference 'many people' are you beginning to notice. And 'many people' do a lot of name-calling. It sounds like you're okay with name-calling as long as you agree with it. Very hypocritical and typical of your ilk (that's kind of a name-call)
I hate all the name calling
October 18, 2007 - 15:03 ET by Clear thinkerI hate all the name calling too.
You jerk!
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Name-calling is bipartisan
October 18, 2007 - 15:04 ET by mgerardnName-calling is bipartisan
mgerardn, Give me a quote
October 18, 2007 - 15:05 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
Give me a quote of me saying that I think name calling as an argumentative move is ok.
While you're at it, look up what a "straw-man argument" is.
Well, I have been compared
October 18, 2007 - 15:23 ET by mgerardnWell, I have been compared to a pig, called a jerk, called mega-hardon - all in this post - yet your focus has been on me...seems interesting that since you're so against name calling, you've failed to call anyone on that.
mgerardn, I don't approve
October 18, 2007 - 15:31 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
I don't approve of name calling as an argumentative move. That's the second time I said that.
I don't engage in it. You have against me.
If some other poster on this topic starts calling me names, I'll address them as well.
How's that?
I see, so name-calling in
October 18, 2007 - 15:43 ET by mgerardnI see, so name-calling in general is only a concern to you if it is against you. You wouldn't call someone out for doing that to someone else.
mgerardn, Name calling as
October 18, 2007 - 15:49 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
Name calling as an argumentative move.
That's the third time now.
What exactly are you missing here about my distinction?
Just to show your hypocrisy
October 18, 2007 - 16:04 ET by mgerardnJust to show your hypocrisy - you have addressed my comments as conversation (a term you would use 'loosely'), you've compared my level of commentary to the level of calling people 'doodyheads', and you referred to my disagreements with you sarcastically as 'high powered thinking'. This is your own brand of name-calling - saying sarcastically that someone's a high powered thinker and saying someone is stupid is essentially the same thing. You are not holier than thou, hydrodynDM, and your attempts to lecture me have failed.
Just looked at the history of this post, you accused me of name calling before I ever responded to you about anything!!! So I never had a chance to call you a name personally. This is Priceless! The hypocrisy continues.
mgerardn, If you think my
October 18, 2007 - 16:14 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
If you think my jabs are a form of "name-calling", ok. I'm not going to argue definitions. But I don't use them as a way to end a conversation - something you do seem to do. That's the point.
And in a previous conversation, you resorted to calling me "stooge" and "stupid" when I hadn't made any kind of sophomoric remarks against you.
But if it makes you feel better thinking that I'm a hypocrite, then fine. I think most people on here notice the substantive difference between the character of my comments and yours.
Of course they realize the
October 18, 2007 - 16:25 ET by mgerardnOf course they realize the difference between yours and mine. Your's agree with them and mine don't. This is what's sad on this site - there's no debating any issues. There's a lot of agreement between people. It just seems like a place where everyone can just pat each other on the back. Don't get me wrong, the left wing equivalents are just as bad - a lot of democrats bashing bush and people agreeing - I don't bother posting on those sites, I'd rather challenge people on the other side - can I suggest you and the crew here go to those other sites and challenge?
What a joke. Many of us
October 18, 2007 - 16:32 ET by Clear thinkerWhat a joke. Many of us have gone to those other sites to present our side of the argument and usually there are two responses.
1. You get your life threatened.
2. You immediately get banned.
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Clear thinker, Agreed.
October 18, 2007 - 16:45 ET by hydrodynDMClear thinker,
Agreed. This site makes an effort to keep its (non-troll) dissenters.
I'm starting to wonder though if I should move this conversation with mgerardn to the Woodshed.
hydro... If I were you, I
October 18, 2007 - 16:50 ET by Clear thinkerhydro...
If I were you, I would ignore him.
He has proven over and over again that he's NOT here to debate.
If you do want to continue with him the woodshed may be a good idea.
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mgerardn, Really? No
October 18, 2007 - 16:39 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
Really? No disagreement? You are either lying or don't bother reading through too many of the topics here.
As an agnostic, I've had my share of arguments with people on this site. But guess what? I'm courteous and actually read and respond to the comments that are posted to me. Consequently, the arguments are civil and friendly.
So, for one, drop the whole "you and the crew" thing. Deal with the fact that the people on here are individuals that have a wide range of views on topics.
And for another, if you just lighten up a little and drop the whole "I'm so smart and you people are all so stupid" thing, you might actually get people to engage you in a friendly conversation.
Assuming that's what you are looking for. If you are here just to antagonize people, expect the same in return.
Mg, no, a group of people
October 18, 2007 - 21:02 ET by MikeBMg, no, a group of people did not refer to the "muffia". One poster did. If you are going to say everybody here referred to (or, even agreed with the reference of) the "muffia", are you also going to say all Democratics said what Pete Stark said in his debate to override the SCHIP veto?
Apparently, you have a severe reading comprehension problem. In case you haven't noticed, even though most of us here are conservatives, some more than others, we don't always agree with each other, and we will argue our positions. Also this "group of people" you just disparaged includes some liberals, Balboa for example. And, as long as he argues without descending into smarminess or inanity, we welcome his input.
Until you learn to argue by presenting facts or respectfully presenting your opinions and why you hold them, instead of ad hominems, I will join the group who will not bother to respond to you other than "Troll t*rd cleanup in aisle three."
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Quiz Kid!
October 18, 2007 - 14:41 ET by johnwaddLast time I checked, BOR nor his "nitwit" producer were NOT reporters. BOR is more of a commentator? It appears as if your premise in even asking a question like that was to deflect the issue.
Do you have a problem with people defending their homes?
Uh, I don't know if you've
October 18, 2007 - 14:42 ET by mgerardnUh, I don't know if you've heard, but BOR says he's in a NO-SPIN zone, so that sort of ruins your argument.
NO-SPIN=Being A
October 18, 2007 - 14:55 ET by johnwaddNO-SPIN=Being A Reporter??
Puff, Puff then pass dude.
Uh, yes - no spin represents
October 18, 2007 - 14:57 ET by mgerardnUh, yes - no spin represents being independent, as BOR likes to pretend he is, it's a stance that news anchors should take.
OK!
October 18, 2007 - 15:10 ET by johnwaddNow I get your logic.
6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
mgerardn, The term "spin"
October 18, 2007 - 15:21 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
The term "spin" means that you take a topic and present it in a way that leads listeners or readers to reach a conclusion that they otherwise might not if they were given all of the relevant information pertaining to the topic.
You can be of any political affiliation and present topics in a no-spin matter. The one does not exclude the other. Unless you think identifying yourself as a Republican or Democrat, a Conservative or a Liberal obligates you to misrepresent topics?
So BOR can be an Independent, a Republican, a Liberal, a whatever and still present topics in a no-spin manner.
You believe that BOR
October 18, 2007 - 15:26 ET by mgerardnYou believe that BOR delivers issues in a no-spin way? You don't think he has an opinion about something before he presents it? Spinning something to a listener who agrees with the spin does not make it no-spin.
mgerardn, I was
October 18, 2007 - 15:35 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
I was addressing what appeared to your suggestion that only someone who is "independent" can provide no-spin coverage of a topic.
I wasn't addressing whether BOR does in fact provide no-spin coverage.
You having trouble keeping up with my argument, mgerardn?
well, you clearly misread
October 18, 2007 - 15:40 ET by mgerardnwell, you clearly misread my suggestion - I am saying that no-spin equals independent - everyone probably leans one way or another, but they can deliver things in a no-spin way - since BOR claims to be no-spin, which equals independent, sending his producer out to ambush the CEO of Jetblue is equivalent to this Fox news reporter ambushing this guy. That is my point
And keeping up with an earlier argument of yours that says that people won't comment on my original post because I engage in ad-hominem posts, even though I could only engage in ad-hominem posts if people would comment on my original post....well, yes that is tough to keep up with....
mgerardn, Here's my recap
October 18, 2007 - 16:01 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
Here's my recap of your statement:
Here's yours from your last post:
Explain to me how my recap doesn't accurately reflect your assertion.
I'm not referring to
October 18, 2007 - 16:08 ET by mgerardnI'm not referring to independent as a political affiliation, that might be where the confusion is, I'm saying no-spin information should be delivered independently. Brit Hume can and does deliver things in a no-spin independent fashion. That in no way takes away from him being a right winger.
mgerardn, Well, that does
October 18, 2007 - 16:23 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
Well, that does clear it up a bit. But it would seem that you are just stating the obvious - that an unbiased presentation of a topic needs to be "independent" of bias.
But then I'm still confused about your post to johnwass about how pointing out that BOR is a commentator seems to contradict his "no-spin" thing.
Regardless of BOR standing (as a commentator or whatever) and regardless of his political affiliation, those things don't exclude the possibility that he can present issues in a no-spin matter.
Whether he actually manages to do this is another topic.
This is my problem with
October 18, 2007 - 16:28 ET by mgerardnThis is my problem with BOR, as much as I hate Sean Hannity, at least that guy tells you where he's coming from - if he sent one of his interns to ambush the Jetblue CEO, I could not compare the Fox TV reporter to Hannity's intern, you clearly have a difference there.
I'm going to create a new post to suggest another theory regarding this Fox News reporter - these columns are too narrow.
mgerardn, If you want to
October 18, 2007 - 16:55 ET by hydrodynDMmgerardn,
If you want to continue this, let's move it over to The Woodshed in the Forums section.
Since you're so adamant
October 18, 2007 - 14:51 ET by BeowulfSince you're so adamant about it, I'll respond. BOR sends his attack dog out to ambush public figures who refuse to answer for their actions or statements. He offers them ample opportunity to come on his show and respond or explain themselves. Name one private citizen O'Reilly has had "ambushed".
Waiting...
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I hate to break this to you
October 18, 2007 - 14:55 ET by mgerardnI hate to break this to you - but when you kill people, and it becomes news, you are vaulted into the public eye - are you telling me that Amy Fisher is a private citizen - Bernard Goetz is a private citizen. Don't get me wrong, I could care less about these burglars who got killed, I just point out the hypocrisy that you have no problem with BOR doing it when you agree with his position.
iteam@kdfwfox4.com
October 18, 2007 - 14:34 ET by MaximusBraveheartI have already sent a comment to iteam@kdfwfox4.com. Glad to see this covered here on NewsBusters! My 1st post here from a long time reader!
On the news every week you see someone missing or dead by the hands of criminals. Not their fault, but due to timing, police can only take reports most of the time. Very little justice and a little too late to make that critical difference: Surviving. The system is NOT working.
Walton did us all a favor by reducing the dangerous criminal population. In this case, dangerous meaning someone willing to break in to an occupied property. Otherwise, it could have been our family NEXT.
Criminals choose not to work for a living; they don't need OSHA protection, but some buckshot. Make that a short lived career; not a lifestyle.
In all probability, based on her biased reporting angle (vs. being factual), Rebecca Aguilar may well be Pro-Abortion. If so, I guess it is OK to kill babies but not career criminals? Would she like someone blocking her door asking her that?
Welcome, Maximus
October 18, 2007 - 14:41 ET by RJThe other beneficial thing Walton has likely done is prevented a few home invasions like we recently had here in Connecticut. Two lovely young girls and their mother were brutally beaten, raped and killed by just-paroled scum.
The more thugs worry about homeowners being armed, the less likely they are to go into occupied homes.
RJ - and to think
October 18, 2007 - 15:20 ET by FastEdConnecticut, just north of my sometime in the future ex-Garden State, is going to be a sanctuary state, just behind our friends in NY, what with giving driver licenses to illegals. Too bad these blue bleeding states don't make it easy to own and carry.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
RJ, I see our attempt to
October 18, 2007 - 16:56 ET by Chris NormanRJ,
I see our attempt to stop the mgerardn virus has failed. Too many unwitting hosts...
Chris Norman, I
October 18, 2007 - 16:59 ET by hydrodynDMChris Norman,
I understood the danger of contamination and dove in anyways.
I saw that. Made me want to
October 18, 2007 - 17:02 ET by Chris NormanI saw that. Made me want to cry...
Sorry, Chris. I thought
October 18, 2007 - 21:12 ET by MikeBSorry, Chris. I thought I'd try to reason with him one more time. I tried on another thread, too. I doubt seriously that it did any good. If it didn't, I won't bother with him any more.
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God bless that man for doing
October 18, 2007 - 15:48 ET by mrsimeleGod bless that man for doing the same thing I would have done. How can you not feel physically threatened when someone goes far enough to enter your building?
Affirmative Action Hires Entitled to Harass E-A males
October 18, 2007 - 16:50 ET by doctorfixitWhy are minority females so nasty to European-American males? Is it because they know that, unlike their own men, European-American pansies are unlikely to give them the beating that they so richly deserve? Or are they angry because European-American men know better than to hit on them?
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