MSNBC's Nancy Snyderman attacked Catholic bishops on Thursday for opposing abortion funding in the health care bill, agreeing with the President of NOW that the IRS should investigate them. The "Dr. Nancy" host also complained, "This is going to be a Pollyannaish statement. The Catholic bishops appearing and having a political voice seems to be a most fundamental violation of church and state."
Terry O’Neill, the President of the National Organization for Women, quickly concurred: "You know, that's the first thing that I said. I don't know where the Internal Revenue Service is, but I hope they're paying attention." Snyderman responded, "Me, too." Watching this segment, a viewer could be confused as to who was the leader of a left-wing feminist group and who was the supposedly neutral cable anchor. (It should be pointed out that NOW is a non-profit group and has a tax exempt component to its organization. Should the IRS go after them?)
Snyderman repeatedly allowed O’Neill’s hyperbolic statements to go unchallenged. She absurdly claimed that the amendment by Democratic Congressman Bart Stupak, which prohibits funding for abortion in the health care bill, "essentially overrules Roe V. Wade." The MSNBC host said nothing. When O’Neill frothed, "It's not acceptable to change health care for America while sending women off into the back alleys to die," Snyderman again stayed silent.
In fact, the cable anchor competed with O’Neill to see who could be more aggrieved. Snyderman fretted, "Nonetheless, this is a chip. It is an erosion. It is a very slippery slope. Seems to me, that the women of our ages have a hard time saying to the women who are 18, 28, 38 that you have a stake here. And I'm not so sure young women get that."
This isn’t the first time the anchor has expressed outrage over the legislation that would bar private insurance plans from covering abortion. On Monday, she railed against pro-life Democrats and derided, "A white man deciding a woman's responsibility in her own procreation. I mean, I find it infuriating."
On Thursday, she returned to this theme and howled, "And I just want to, sort of, say good-bye to you [O'Nell] by pointing out that Stupak and Henry Hyde, the two amendments that restrict a woman's right to choose, are both white men telling women about reproduction."
Apparently, Snyderman’s biggest problem is with religious organizations and individuals who refuse to tout her liberal ideology.
On November 12, the Culture and Media Institute’s Colleen Raezler demonstrated that this type of anger towards the Stupak amendment isn’t limited to Snyderman. Morning Meeting host Dylan Ratigan talked to Cathy Ruse of the Family Research Council and Nancy Keenan, President of NARAL. Unsurprisingly, he went after the conservative:
Throughout the six minute segment, he told Ruse that if she would "come inside the domain of the facts, it makes for a more productive conversation." He called her assertion that the Stupak amendment does not block women from access to abortion coverage through private insurance companies "nonsense," and stated that "it’s more beneficial" for Americans "if the debate is had inside the domain of reality." Ratigan implored Ruse to "operate in the factual reality" and told her he was "going to ask her to go away" if she just wanted "to talk" instead of answering his questions.
A transcript of the November 12 segment, which aired at 12:04pm EST, follows:
NANCY SNYDERMAN: Well, the fight over abortion and health care reform is getting even hotter. Abortion rights activists are organizing dozens of groups to ban together to keep any kind of language restricting abortion access out of the Senate bill. Planned Parenthood says the House's Stupak amendment has, quote, "completely galvanized the reproductive health community and the women's community." The National Organization of [sic] Women says, "They passed health care reform for half the nation and partial health care reform for the rest of us." Joining me now from Washington, Terry O’Neill, president of NOW. And she was among those who met with Rahm Emanuel at the White House this weekend and I should say Nancy DeParle and some other women, leading women at the White House. Thanks for being with us. Terry, let me just ask you straight off the bat, this seems to have caught you guys, and I should say the women who believe in reproductive right off guard and found you a little off balance.
TERRY O’NEILL: Oh, it definitely caught me off guard. On Saturday morning, I started getting calls and E-mails and texts saying, you know, there's a deal that's been cut and a terrible, disastrous deal. The Stupak/Pitts amendment, in fact, I believe, essentially overrules Roe v. Wade. That's the intention of the Catholic bishops who pushed it. That, I believe, is the intention Mr. Stupak and Mr. Pitts who offered it. And it's an outrage and, and we are doing everything to be sure that it does not get into the Senate bill, that it does not survive the reconciliation process, because that's not a health bill if you take- it's not acceptable to change health care for America while sending women off into the back alleys to die.
SNYDERMAN: Terry, two things have come up over the last couple days that have really sort of fascinated me. And that is, people describing the House of Representatives as no longer being pro-choice. That is quietly pro life and perhaps even in the Senate. Now, I happen to think that abortion is one of the most divisive issues and you can't get one person from one side to the other side. But I also think most of life is quite gray and we think we have adamant solutions to things until they happen to mothers and children’s. And we can find ourselves changing our mind and it becomes our family. Nonetheless, this is a chip. It is an erosion. It is a very slippery slope. Seems to me, that the women of our ages have a hard time saying to the women who are 18, 28, 38 that you have a stake here. And I'm not so sure young women get that.
O’NEILL: Oh, if you listen to the young women that are calling me and that are organizing rallies all around the country even as we speak, I don't think that's really correct.
SNYDERMAN: Really?
O’NEILL: Young women are galvanized around this. Especially the young women who are able to hear the truth. There are people out there who are saying that the Stupak/Pitts amendment is no different than the status quo. Nothing could be farther from the truth. And when the young women learn the truth, they are outraged. Just as the women my age are outraged.
SNYDERMAN: This is going to be a Pollyannaish statement. The Catholic bishops appearing and having a political voice seems to be a most fundamental violation of church and state.
O’NEILL: You know, that's the first thing that I said. I don't know where the Internal Revenue Service is, but I hope they're paying attention.
SNYDERMAN: Me, too. And I just want to, sort of, say good-bye to you by pointing out that Stupak and Henry Hyde, the two amendments that restrict a woman’s right to choose, are both white men telling women about reproduction. [O’Neill laughs.] So, on that happy note, I will bid you a good day and thank you for spending time with me.
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.





NANCY SNYDERMAN: Well, the fight over abortion and health care reform is getting even hotter. Abortion rights activists are organizing dozens of groups to ban together to keep any kind of language restricting abortion access out of the Senate bill. Planned Parenthood says the House's Stupak amendment has, quote, "completely galvanized the reproductive health community and the women's community." The National Organization of [sic] Women says, "They passed health care reform for half the nation and partial health care reform for the rest of us." Joining me now from Washington, Terry O’Neill, president of NOW. And she was among those who met with Rahm Emanuel at the White House this weekend and I should say Nancy DeParle and some other women, leading women at the White House. Thanks for being with us. Terry, let me just ask you straight off the bat, this seems to have caught you guys, and I should say the women who believe in reproductive right off guard and found you a little off balance.














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Kind of like Roe v. Wade
November 12, 2009 - 18:05 ET by bse5150Kind of like Roe v. Wade where we had White men telling women about reproduction, Snyderman?
I really dislike this
November 12, 2009 - 21:35 ET by MaximusBraveheartI really dislike this propaganda doctor. I see her on the Today show on the TV in bathroom in the morning. On the flu and swine shot she is a total sell out and does not present any balanced medical information. Or, explain why some say it is not worthwhile. She just calls it scare tactics. Guess she already made the concensus for us "news" viewers like Gore. Why am I not surprised she comes up with this also. M-B
Abortionists....equal.......
November 13, 2009 - 10:21 ET by Patriot IIMURDER, Inc!!! There are choices all right, abstain, birth control....even adoption after birth.....but slaughtering, mutilating, tearing apart innocent unborn babies is not a CHOICE....it's murder!! This spirit of death has now gotten to the point where people think they have a right to murder their children even after they are born.....these people will stand before Almighty God one day and give account!!! If you don't believe it.......surprise, surprise, what you believe has no affect on the truth!!!!
double post
November 12, 2009 - 21:37 ET by MaximusBraveheartdouble post
→ More proof
November 12, 2009 - 18:06 ET by Cool ArrowYup, Snyderman goes after those evil Catholics, but licks the feet of Islamic divebombers.
Before she goes all jailhouse groupie on this Hasan guy, maybe she should investigate whether he'll ever be capable of a conjugal visit.
But Snyderman doesn't even give her victims the choice to convert or die. I consider her worse than Islam. h/t and apologies to Greg Guttfeld
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Do no harm.
November 12, 2009 - 23:20 ET by KarmaI guess for Nancy and others, that only applies to those who pay for their services. In cash I mean.
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
The 10 Commandments...
November 12, 2009 - 18:13 ET by Red Jeep...are not the 10 Suggestions. Thou shalt not kill, is not hard to understand. These laws are from God. They were not created by Catholic Bishops to have a "political voice."
(On another issue, given Snyderman's contempt for men in positions of power, I wonder how long she would last in the religious world of the Fort Hood murderer or the muslim world in general.)
Hmmm... Well, if they're
November 12, 2009 - 18:14 ET by Average_JoeMNHmmm... Well, if they're going to go after the bishops - American citizens with every right to an opinion - they'd better go after Jeremiah Wright and every other liberal nutbar "Rev", too.
Exactly.
November 12, 2009 - 18:27 ET by Quasi-socialistHow is "God D--- America!" not political? Isn't the "Chickens have come home to roost!" political? We've all seen tapes of Wright and Father Fleger speaking about politics in a church. Where's the IRS, there?
Right, Nance...And right after...
November 12, 2009 - 18:20 ET by PrairieSkythe IRS looks into the Catholic Church for their alleged political leanings, they can take a gander at the NAACP and it's very obvious leftist political support of the Dem party and virtually every liberal cause that one can name.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
→ Prairie
November 12, 2009 - 18:34 ET by Cool ArrowANY church that will sit in obedient assent to the hellish daily sacrifice to Molech should have thier symbolic candlestick snuffed out.
Once again, it is the Liberals who itch and connive for what dirt they may use against their opponents.
We saw this same attitude the other night when Olbermann urged the buying of black, brown, and yellow faces for his own pet cause.
It's pathetic.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool...I'm not sure...
November 12, 2009 - 18:40 ET by PrairieSkyI'm clear about your reference to Molech...Could you clarify?
As far as the Libs and their devices used against their opponents, I'm with you...Same goes for Olbertwit...Pathetic it is.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
→ Molech
November 12, 2009 - 18:46 ET by Cool ArrowMolech was the god that The One True God hated most.
At the altars of this pagan god, people sacrificed their children, burning them to death. This was a problem in the days of early Israel.
Does it continue today? I don't know what hospitals do with surgical waste, but I can guess.
I've not been able to ascertain whether these were primarily "unwanted children" as the Liberals do with 50% of ALL black children concieved.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool...Got it...I was...
November 12, 2009 - 18:52 ET by PrairieSkyvaguely aware of the name Molech, but didn't completely get your meaning...I'm with you 100% on this.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Rev Sharpton and Jackson
November 12, 2009 - 18:25 ET by octaviojCall me crazy but every time there is an issue I see Rev Sharpton and Jackson on TV. Why is that not scrutinized? Is it because they are liberals?
NO SPIN ZONE...
November 12, 2009 - 18:29 ET by danybhoyO'Reilly has been after Rev.Jackson for a long time about his tax situation. It's probably about being a lib, but maybe there is more to it then that...
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
As Sarah Palin...
November 12, 2009 - 18:29 ET by PrairieSkywould no doubt say, "You betcha!"
Their "liberalness" along with their being black, immunizes them against any serious scrutiny and criticism. Pathetic, isn't it??
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Rev Sharpton and Jackson
November 12, 2009 - 19:16 ET by burtonrobsonLiberal and Black!!!
Despite allowing the passge
November 12, 2009 - 18:35 ET by MassConservativeDespite allowing the passge of this POS bill out of the house I believe the Stupak amendment will be the gift that keeps on giving.
Assuming the Senate passes something then in committe if this gets stripped you lose the Blue Dogs (especially in an election year). If it stays in away go the liberal nut jobs. Either way the Republicans sit back and watch the Dems destroy their own bill.
2012 campaign slogan - "Carter got his 2nd term, NOW can we move on?"
Wouldn't people of Islam be
November 12, 2009 - 18:36 ET by robertlbryantWouldn't people of Islam be against abortion? I'm not sure on this, though. If they are, however, someone should lobby them to lobby against abortion in the health care bill, then see how this woman reacts.
Absolutely!
November 12, 2009 - 18:49 ET by c5thenMuslims are completely against abortion. It is abhorent and disgusting to them, a sin against Allah.
Just ask Dr.Nidal Malik Hasan.
Throw 'da bums out!!!
Before it's too late.
www.loyaltoliberty.com
Yes, against.
November 12, 2009 - 18:56 ET by Red Jeep"Basically, Islam considers life as a sacred
gift from God Almighty. No one is allowed to take or stop the life of
anyone else except by way of justice or according to the Islamic law.
Thus, the Holy Quran says: "Say: Come, I will rehearse what God has
really prohibited you from: Join nothing as equal with Him; be good to
your parents, kill not your children on a plea of poverty; We provide
sustenance for you and for them; approach not shameful deeds, whether open
or secret; take not life, which God has made sacred, except by a way of
justice and law (Chapter 6, Verse 151)."
Dr. Arafat El Ashi, "Islam & Abortion"
http://www.crescentl...
What about devout atheists?
November 12, 2009 - 22:10 ET by needleThe "Dr. Nancy" host also complained, "This is going to be a Pollyannaish statement. The Catholic bishops appearing and having a political voice seems to be a most fundamental violation of church and state."
Well, that's interesting. Let’s see, how about: Devoutly atheistic leftists appearing and having a political voice seems to be a most fundamental violation of church and state.
- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.
- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.
Two White Men
November 12, 2009 - 18:57 ET by TexndocI'll point out once again to this skank: It was a BLACK man who was on prime-time television telling the country that abortion was NOT covered. Skank.
JC, AG, and HHtDL all against abortion
November 12, 2009 - 19:02 ET by Gary HallOK.. let me break that down.
Jimmy Carter and Al Gore were opposed to federal funding for abortions. Jimmy Carter is still opposed to abortions, like to say that it was one area in which he and President George W Bush agreeed.
His Holliness the Dalai Lama (HHtDL) is a bit more simplistic here and probably not being on record with what US governement funding policy should be; however, the Dalai Lama, which Hollywood so loves and respects, is straight to the point when it comes to abortion:
‘Abortion, from a Buddhist viewpoint, is an act of killing.’
— The Dalai Lama
Note to MSNBC's Nancy Snyderman:
(:`~/ gary
Way Out There
November 12, 2009 - 19:03 ET by easygoer"essentially overrules Roe V. Wade."
Even liberal Washington Post columnist EJ Dionne doesn't believe that statement:
"From the outraged comments of the abortion-rights movement, you'd think
that Rep. Bart Stupak's amendment to the House version of the
health-care bill would all but overturn Roe v. Wade. No, it wouldn't."
Stupak 'essentially overrules Roe v. Wade'
November 13, 2009 - 00:46 ET by konoWhat a load of bat snot. That's saying if gubm'nt doesn't fund abortions, they're as good as illegal.
This is the same asinine hyperbole these people employed against Dubya -- that blocking gubm'nt funding for embryonic stem cell research was the same as outlawing it.
I'm surprised to see any in the Left-sympathizin' MSM arguing against it. A tip o' the hat for that.
Some facts about Church lobbying
November 12, 2009 - 19:23 ET by Dim BulbThe Catholic bishops appearing and having a political voice seems to be a most fundamental violation of church and state.
A perusal of left wing nut job blogs shows a basic incompetence regarding knowledge of the first amendment, the tax code, and how to do a google search for facts.
Lefties, put out the dobbies and realize that the internet extends beyond move on dot org and the daily kos.
Oh, and Nan, I suggest you put your outrageous and highly undeserved paycheck to good use and buy a blackberry. I'm sure some intern in the mail room can teach you how to use it.
What does section 501(c)(3) of the IRC (Internal Revenue Code) say about political campaign activity?
Section 501(c)(3) of the IRC prohibits organizations that are exempt
from federal income tax under its provisions, including Catholic
organizations exempt under the USCCB Group Ruling, from participating
or intervening in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to
any candidate for public office. This prohibition has been interpreted
as absolute. [See: Fact Sheet 2006-17, Election Year Activities and the Prohibition on Political Campaign Intervention for Section 501(c)(3) Organizations, at 1 (February 2006) (hereinafter "Fact Sheet"), http://www.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=154712,00.html.]
How does the IRC limit lobbying activity by Catholic organizations?
The IRC limits the amount of lobbying in which section 501(c)(3)
organizations may engage. Under section 501(c)(3), Catholic
organizations may engage in lobbying activities only if they do not
constitute a substantial part of their total activities, measured by
time, effort, expenditure and other relevant factors. Neither the IRC
nor the regulations define what is "substantial" in this context. A few
cases suggest that the line between what is substantial and what is
insubstantial lies somewhere between 5% and 15% of an organization's
total activities. IRS does not endorse any particular percentage safe
harbor, but would clearly be more comfortable at the lower end of the
spectrum. [See: Murray Seasongood v. Commissioner, 227 F.2d 907 (6th Cir. 1955) (less than 5% time and effort was not substantial); Haswell v. U.S., 500 F.2d 1133 (Ct.Cl. 1974), cert. denied, 419 U.S. 1107 (1975) (16-20% of budget was substantial).]
Where did the political campaign intervention prohibition come from?
Contrary to popular belief, the section 501(c)(3) political campaign
intervention prohibition is not a manifestation of
Constitutionally-mandated "separation of church and state". The
prohibition applies to all section 501(c)(3) organizations, not
just churches and religious organizations. The political campaign
intervention prohibition was introduced by then-Senator Lyndon B.
Johnson during Senate floor debate on the 1954 version of the tax code.
LBJ appears to have been reacting to the support provided Dudley
Dogherty, his challenger in the 1954 primary election, by certain
tax-exempt organizations. There is no legislative history to explain
definitively why LBJ sought this amendment to the IRC. However, there
is no evidence that religious organizations were his targets. [See: Judith Kindell & John Reilly, Election Year Issues, FY 2002 IRS Exempt Organizations Technical Instruction Program at 448-451 (August 2001) (hereinafter "Election Year Issues"), http://www.irs.gov/p... Patrick L. O'Daniel, More Honored in the Breach: A Historical Perspective of the Permeable IRS Prohibition on Campaigning by Churches, 42 B.C.L.Rev. 733 (2001); Deirdre Halloran & Kevin Kearney, Federal Tax Code Restrictions on Church Political Activity, 38 Cath.Law. 105, 106-108 (1998).]
Doesn't the First Amendment protect the rights of Catholic organizations to engage in political campaign activity?
As part of the federal tax law, the section 501(c)(3) political
campaign intervention prohibition is not an absolute prohibition
against political activity by tax-exempt organizations. Rather, it is a
condition placed on the receipt of federal tax exemption. Thus, an
exempt organization has a choice between involvement in political
campaign intervention and the benefits of tax exemption. Because of
this distinction, courts have not been sympathetic to claims by
religious organizations that the section 501(c)(3) political campaign
intervention prohibition violates First Amendment rights. For example,
a few years ago the application of the political campaign intervention
prohibition to revoke the section 501(c)(3) tax exemption of a New York
church was upheld in the face of the church's challenges under the free
exercise clause of the First Amendment and the Religious Freedom
Restoration Act. [See: Branch Ministries v. Rossotti, 211 F.3d 137 (D.C. Cir. 2000).]
What is the difference between lobbying and political campaign activity?
In the most basic terms, lobbying focuses on legislation, whereas
political campaign activity focuses on candidates and campaigns for
election. Lobbying includes both direct lobbying and grassroots
lobbying. Direct lobbying means contacting members of a legislative body,
whether federal, state, or local, for the purpose of proposing,
supporting, or opposing legislation or advocating the adoption or
rejection of legislation. Grassroots lobbying means urging members of
the public to do the same. Section 501(c)(3) limits the amount of
lobbying a Catholic organization can do; it does not prohibit lobbying
outright. The lobbying limitation applies both to lobbying that is
germane to an organization's tax-exempt purposes and to lobbying that
is not. [See: Treas. Reg. § 1.501(c)(3)-1(c)(3)(ii); Rev. Rul. 67-293, 1967-2 C.B. 185.]Source.
Hey, stop confusing the issue with facts.
November 12, 2009 - 19:35 ET by c5thenThe liberals don't like the position of the Catholic Church (or any other church for that matter) and therefore want them to be silenced. They really don't care if it's the IRS, Homeland Security or OSHA that silences the opposition as long as it works.
Throw 'da bums out!!!
Before it's too late.
www.loyaltoliberty.com
beautiful
November 13, 2009 - 00:38 ET by konoThanks for the solid research, db -- as usual.
The assault on religion in this country is expanding in breadth and escalating. And not quite all of it is originating outside of the gubm'nt.
SNYDERMAN: This is going
November 12, 2009 - 19:25 ET by Jack BauerThis woman is just effortlessly dumb. Thick, even.
Try to get this through your thick head Snideyman. Even CATHOLIC BISHOPS have the 1st Amendment RIGHT to express a "political" opinion.
Oh yes. It's right there in the constitution. Unlike ABORTION.
And what, pray tell is the "violation" of church and state?
One has to assume dumbo means the so-called "seperation" of church and state. Another concept not in the constitution. But even as interpreted by the Supreme Court, it covers THE GOVERNMENT not being involved in promoting a particular religion.
It DOES NOT mean those of a religious persuasion cannot involve themselves in POLITICS.
Isn't it truly scary that this has to be pointed out?
Oh, and it would seem she also has no idea what Pollyanna means.
No foul . . .
November 12, 2009 - 21:04 ET by GalvanicThe Federal tax code denies tax exempt status to religious institutions that endorse political candidates or engage in political activities such as campaign fund raising, distributing campaign literature, etc.
It does not prohibit religious institutions from voicing their positions on moral issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, and war.
But it comes as no surprise that these two idiots are either ignorant of the distinction, or deliberately dodging it.
Racist !!!!!!!!
November 12, 2009 - 20:24 ET by LEWIS IN COLORADOObviously the Catholic church is a racist organization !! (since they disagree with the nobama administration !!)
Dr. Nancy : "This is going
November 12, 2009 - 20:46 ET by deerjerkydaveDr. Nancy : "This is going to be a Pollyannaish statement. The Catholic bishops appearing and having a political voice seems to be a most fundamental violation of church and state."
Amazing how liberals have somehow turned the first amendment around to mean no freedom of speech.
As long as the Federal Government does not establish a national religion then there has been no violation of the first amendment when church leaders speak out. They are entitled to their opinions as much as anybody.
Where in the constituion
November 12, 2009 - 21:55 ET by tssclsWhere in the constituion does it specifically mention a seperation of church and state? Which article? Which amendment? The first? Let's see, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Nope, not there. What statute would the CC be prosecuted under? What a jerk!
It doesn't...
November 12, 2009 - 22:44 ET by moderncommentaries83I know the point of your post is to prove the phrase "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution. It is from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to some Baptists who were...wait for it...afraid of the government doing the same thing in America that it did in England (i.e., creating a state church and downgrading other religions).
It's not to be found in the Constitution, pure and simple.
Liberals have no regard for the Constitution, however, so if they rearrange some letters they can make it say "separation of church and state."
Which, of course, means the church cannot have a say in the public sphere but the government can tell the church what to do (especially when it does something that makes liberals feel bad, like support actual marriage).
The flip side of this is letting churches pay tax dollars, but then good luck trying to shut us up on anything; if my tithe goes to the government, I want representatives from the Vatican seated in the halls of Congress, voting on legislation.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
Snyderman Needs To Get Off The Air
November 12, 2009 - 22:34 ET by DaMamaNancy Snyderman fits right in with NBC. Her liberal bias is so blatant she should just wear a T-shirt that says "I Hate Conservatives!".
I have no respect for this woman. The fact that she would attack the church so we can still keep killing unborn babies is despicable.
Damama: I disagree
November 12, 2009 - 22:40 ET by SickofLibsLeave her on the air 24/7, noboby is watching anyway, and who the hell knows what havoc she's wreaking on her actual patients!*
*assuming there are any
double post
November 12, 2009 - 23:39 ET by stage9double post
The Fallacy of Separation of Church & State....
November 12, 2009 - 23:38 ET by stage9"This is going to be a Pollyannaish statement. The Catholic bishops
appearing and having a political voice seems to be a most fundamental
violation of church and state."
Ask the average American which constitution the phrase "separation of church and state" appears in and the majority will look at you as though only a moron wouldn't know the answer to the question. The most common reply will be "The United States Constitution".
Imagine the surprise of these same people when they discover that not only does the phrase NOT appear in the U.S. Constitution, but the words DO appear in a version of the Russian communist constitution!
In 1947, in the case Everson v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court declared, "The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach." The "separation of church and state" phrase which they invoked, and which has today become so familiar, was taken from an exchange of letters between President Thomas Jefferson and the Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut, shortly after Jefferson became President.
The election of Jefferson – America's first Anti-Federalist President – elated many Baptists since that denomination, by-and-large, was also strongly Anti-Federalist. This political disposition of the Baptists was understandable, for from the early settlement of Rhode Island in the 1630s to the time of the federal Constitution in the 1780s, the Baptists had often found themselves suffering from the centralization of power.
Read more here:
http://www.wallbuild...
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge
"Ask the average American
November 13, 2009 - 00:00 ET by ckc1227"Ask the average American which constitution the phrase "separation of
church and state" appears in and the majority will look at you as
though only a moron wouldn't know the answer to the question. The most
common reply will be "The United States Constitution"."
I don't know, after the last election, I'd be willing to bet the majority would look at you with a straight face and ask "What's a Constitution".
"She absurdly claimed that
November 12, 2009 - 23:57 ET by ckc1227"She absurdly claimed that the amendment by Democratic Congressman Bart
Stupak, which prohibits funding for abortion in the health care bill, "essentially overrules Roe V. Wade."
And the unicorns....think of the poor unicorns!!!!
These clowns just get dumber and dumber. But that's the beauty of liberalism. You can say the dumbest things, and no one even blinks an eye at the stupidty of it.
Church has Right to speak
November 13, 2009 - 10:58 ET by Ruler4YouI'm not Catholic but church doctrine against abortion is a position that can be stated (re-stated) publicly. It isn't a political position it is their philosophy. It just so happens that you don't sanctify life as the church does and you ARE attempting to make it a 'political' issue rather than one about 'life'.
When I was a kid I remember very well attending services where politics and scripture were used to keep the electoret involved in sociaetal issues. Destroying liberty has been a keystone of the liberal movement for more than 100 years. What could be more destructive than shutting down voices of moral and ethical vaule in the midst of an argument whose foundation is upon the footing of morality and ethics?
Nancy Snyderman is a child-murdering, tyrannical Nazi wench
November 13, 2009 - 11:02 ET by R D HelmAnd since when does one surrender their 1st Amendment rights simply because they become a minister or a priest?
BTW-Just pass the FairTax and the IRS won't be around to go after anybody.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Ignorant MSNBC
November 13, 2009 - 13:53 ET by Ozark_SunshineThis is why MSNBC can never be taken serious as a news information channel. There is NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE anywhere in the Constitution. It lays it out that the government is not to establish a religion or interfere with free exercise of religion. Snyderman is another ignorant liberal with zero credibility, just like Olberbluss, who is uneducated, just like the feminazis of NOW.