In part two of "Good Morning America's" Friday interview with former bomber William Ayers, news anchor Chris Cuomo did challenge the ex-'60s radical on whether or not he was a terrorist. But after Ayers contended, "It's not terrorism because it doesn't target people. It doesn't target people to either kill or injure," the journalist failed to offer specifics that would refute that point. Cuomo could have easily cited the example of John Murtagh. He was a child in 1970 when the Weather Underground, founded by Mr. Ayers, placed multiple bombs, one underneath the gas tank of the family car, at the home of his New York judge father.
In a New York Daily News op-ed on April 30, 2008, Murtagh wrote, "I was only 9 then, the year Ayers' Weathermen tried to murder me." However, while not pressing Ayers on specific victims, he did skeptically wonder, "How can a sophisticated academic like yourself believe that the inherent recklessness of exploding bombs that you know too well killed three of your own- you know the potential for deadliness there."
Although he didn't press the point that the Weather Underground tried to harm specific people, Cuomo should be credited for grilling Ayers over the bomber's insistence that he's not a terrorist. At one point, Cuomo retorted, "How is what you did there, blowing up, detonating a bomb in the Pentagon, the New York Police Department headquarters, trying to target the Capitol. How is that not terrorism?"
Finally, Cuomo actually addressed the fact that the Weather Underground dedicated its 1974 manifesto "The Prairie Fire" to Sirhan Sirhan, the assassin of Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Cuomo questioned, "I mean, what message does that send? Especially if you don't reject it today and say, 'We praised Sirhan Sirhan. We should not have.'" This prompted Ayers to admit, "I reject that. Absolutely."
An analysis of part one of Cuomo's interview can be found here.
A transcript of part two of the interview, which aired at 7:42am on November 14, follows:
ROBIN ROBERTS: Also this morning, we have more of Chris's exclusive interview with Bill Ayers, the '60s radical who Republicans once called Barack Obama's terrorist pal. We will have more of that interview straight ahead.
SAWYER: That's right. He is speaking out this morning. And in this half hour, talking about some of the statements that were attributed to him that created such polarized and angry reactions.
7:42
CHRIS CUOMO: We are joined again now by William Ayers, a former member of the Weather Underground, a group that during the '70s claimed responsibility for at least a dozen bombings, including the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. His relationship with President-elect Barack Obama, of course, became an issue during the campaign. He is the author of "Fugitive Days: Memoirs of an Anti-War Activist" which has just been reissued with a new afterword in paperback. There it is. Mr. Ayers, thanks for joining us again. Why re-release "Fugitive Days" now?
WILLIAM AYERS: You know, that's really a publisher's decision, not my decision. But, I wrote the book eight years ago and I wrote it in part to try to understand what it meant to be a young person set down in that historic period, a person from tremendous privilege and making my way through the world and, kind of, the choices I made.
CUOMO: But the timing becomes relevant. You know, because-
AYERS: I'm sorry?
CUOMO: The timing becomes relevant coming out of the election. You didn't want to come out during the election?
AYERS: Well, no one predicted the attention I would get in the election. I mean, this was not a decision based on that at all.
CUOMO: But you talk about the issues that happen there in the new afterward of the book. Do you regret not coming out during the election and saying, "There's nothing here?"
AYERS: Well, the premise of the whole come-on to this segment, that I've been silent is just not true. I've been teaching. I've been writing. I've been doing all the things I always do. But I did decide not to comment to the media on the presidential campaign, because, again, I felt that I would be feeding a profoundly dishonest narrative and I didn't really want to participate in that. So, I didn't see any way to interrupt it. And since I couldn't interrupt it, I decided to just wait until it passed. And, you know, I think that the dishonesty of it kind of runs to the point of, like, I was somehow in hiding. One of my sons sent me a segment from some 24 hour news outfit and they acted as if they had stalked me down and found me in hiding. Just not true. I was doing the things I always do.
CUOMO: Now, this book, the ideas in it, with perspective on Barack Obama. You ever talk to him about what's in "Fugitive Days."
AYERS: Never.
CUOMO: He ever ask you about it?
AYERS: Never.
CUOMO: Is that unusual for you that being William Ayers and being in the Chicago area that somebody talks to you and doesn't talk to you about your past?
AYERS: I've written seven books. I've edited another 13 and mostly what I talk about is schools and kids and juvenile justice as you know. And those are the things that my work focuses on. And the fact that I have this past is of little interest. And when you say the fact that you're Bill Ayers, that character was created in this election.
CUOMO: Well, he exists because of what happened. I mean, one of the interesting things about this book is that while it provides perspective about that period in history, dismisses the notion that your actions were heroic, expresses your doubts but not an apology or a complete rejection of what happened during those years, the bombings.
AYERS: Well, you know, again, I think you have to read this as a memoir, not as a manifesto, not even as a history. But the reason that I undertook it actually was because- and, remember, I wrote it- it was published in 2001, so I wrote it in the two years leading up to it. But, I had enough distance from it that I felt that I could say something about it. But I wrote it as a memoir, as a way of, kind of, understanding a ten year period in our history. And I thought it was relevant then. I think it's more relevant now and the reason it is, is because we are once again bogged down in two wars. And if you add Israel/Palestine, that's a third major conflict. And, and we don't seem to as a democracy-we don't seem to be able to figure out how to assert the public will and bring these things to an end. I think people want these wars to end. And I think they should.
CUOMO: Isn't that all the more reason for you to take a look back and reject what the Weather Underground is?
AYERS: Well, there's nothing in there that's- there's an attempt to understand the things we did. You know, here we were in a situation where, really, a violent terrorist war was being waged against an entire population. We objected. We tried to end that war. And in trying to end it, we did cross lines of propriety, of legality, maybe even of common sense. But we never committed terror.
CUOMO: Why not? I really- I have a tough time understanding this. How is what you did there, blowing up, detonating a bomb in the Pentagon, the New York Police Department headquarters, trying to target the Capitol. How is that not terrorism?
AYERS: It's not terrorism because it doesn't target people. It doesn't target people to either kill or injure. What it does is- You could call it-
CUOMO: How can a sophisticated academic like yourself believe that the inherent recklessness of exploding bombs that you know too well killed three of your own- you know the potential for deadliness there.
AYERS: Right. It was definitely over lots of lines. Definitely dangerous and had we killed or injured anyone, I'm sure it would have been devastating for everyone. Them and us. But my point is that in a period when 2000 people a week are being murdered, how do you end that? What do you do? And, frankly, in those ten years of that war, I was arrested many times. I took direct, non-violent action again and again. But, the question comes, after 70 percent of America oppose the war, after the war has been virtually lost, how do you end it? What do you do? And there's nothing in the book that says what we did was either brilliant or heroic or wonderful. It tries to understand, as memoirs do, the context in which that actor was acting.
CUOMO: But you would think that looking forward, you would want to set a table for people in addressing the current situations that didn't expose the violence. I mean, even looking back in the 1974 manifesto of "The Prairie Fire," of the Weather Underground, one of the people you dedicate this book to is Sirhan Sirhan. I mean, what message does that send? Especially if you don't reject it today and say, "We praised Sirhan Sirhan. We should not have."
AYERS: I reject that. Absolutely. Absolutely.
CUOMO: "We did these things. We should not have." The 9/11 quote. We should have done more. We should not have. It's wrong. It's bad."
AYERS: No, no. I disagree on the question of we should not have- we should have done more. What I'm saying there and I've said it very clearly is that no one did enough in this country to end the war. We knew it was wrong. We knew it was illegal. We knew it was immoral.
CUOMO: But going that route- but going that route, violence-
AYERS: Again, I don't defend the route we went and I really urge people to participate in resistance, non-violent direct action to these wars. I don't urge violence at all. But, let's admit that we live, often, in a sewer of violence and opposing that violence is key.
CUOMO: Mr. Ayers, thank you very much for taking the opportunity today. The book is "Fugitive Days."
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.















Comments Policy
No one did enough to end
November 14, 2008 - 17:07 ET by mattmNo one did enough to end the war protesters, you should say. Damned traitor - should be executed for treason.
BTW - Nixon ended the Vietnam War - was Ayers a Nixon devotee? Ha.... Both the MSM and their America-hating leftist cronies are a bunch of hypocrites, liars and dopes.
Mentioning the victims
November 14, 2008 - 18:11 ET by kgMentioning the victims would have made it too real and less ideological. Ayers is a coward in the truest sense.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Those "hypocrites, liars and dopes" were right.
November 15, 2008 - 11:30 ET by JRJ08Many thousands more U.S. soldiers and Vietnamese died in combat during Nixon's administration than in Johnson's. Nixon only ended the war because he was desperate to win re-election and he knew the war would be an obstacle to that. And it was Nixon, Mitchell and Erhlichman who branded many American war protesters as "terrorists". These being the men who subverted the Constitution in order to preserve their power. A lot of the men who fought bravely in Vietnam joined the protesters when they returned home. Were they "traitors"?
This was too big of an
November 14, 2008 - 17:38 ET by CoolShadesThis was too big of an interview for Chris Cuomo. ABC sent out it's 3rd string when the 1st string was required.
P.T. Barnum was right
November 14, 2008 - 18:05 ET by casel21There's a journalist born every minute.
Unabashed Liberal Doubletalk
November 14, 2008 - 18:20 ET by TruthtalkI watched this interview and was astonished. Does anyone really listen to these people and believe what they say? I couldn't believe that Ayers actually said that he wasn't a terrorist because they "didn't target people". He called the police on Fox just because they had a reporter at his house. I wonder how he would feel about "non-terrorists" placing bombs under his car or house--as long as the intent was not to harm him.
This segment came on the heels of a story about the Minnesota secretary of state doing an interview in the morning saying that the Republican election challenges were typical political moves to grab the election at any cost, then two hours laters denying he said that.
They're not even bothering trying to fool anyone anymore, they're just outright lying. I feel like I'm living Animal Farm.
Unbelieveable!
November 14, 2008 - 18:33 ET by docjohn52Ayers is truly an example of lipstick on a pig.
Murtagh wrote, "I was
November 14, 2008 - 18:34 ET by TN MomMurtagh wrote, "I was only 9 then, the year Ayers' Weathermen tried to murder me."
ABC's Chris Coumo couldn't care less that people-AMERICAN people were TERRORIZED (3 men died) by this MONSTER.
My heart goes out to the families who are victimized all over again by ABC, Good Morning America, and all the advertisers who allowed this segment to air.
I'd love to start a network
November 14, 2008 - 18:44 ET by CoolShadesI'd love to start a network boycott, but gosh, where do you start? They're all just as bad as the other.
cool
November 14, 2008 - 18:55 ET by TN MomI quit cold-turkey...I turned them ALL off. I get my news online, from places I trust!
But as long as they keep 'reporting' their slanted garbage, I will be here shouting back...it's a matter of principle.
AMEN Mom
November 14, 2008 - 19:23 ET by Rob Bturned of my tv weeks ago dont even watch the "enteriment" stuff any more cuz it would be supporting the BS they call news
where to start is easy turn off your tv and cancel the dish or cable (even paying for the service supports cnn ) then go out and buy some board games and be a family if the kids are older spend time playing the "playstation" with them. My 17 yo son and i do this i use the time to find out what he is being taught in classes in H.S. and what he thought about the election. What i discovered was when he gets to collage profecers will HATE him( he's almost as rabid as his dad about conseveratism(sp)).
Spend time as a family combat the BS in the public schools teach your kids to think for themselves( warning this one will backfire from time to time but it's good to know they can hold their own in a debate). Teach them the values the that made this nation great
I fall back on my grandfathers generation of the greatness of America(WW II). To go from a nation with very little standing milatiry to winning a 2 front war in the time we did it truly speakes to the greatness of the US of A
my .5 cents
Live Free or Die
Rob B
November 14, 2008 - 20:35 ET by TN MomYour .5 cents is worth a fortune!
yea Rob, use that tv for DVD's old movies are very good...
November 15, 2008 - 11:48 ET by upcountrywaterI get urked just listening to the top of the hour news on the radio.
First Mutt's Viet Nam 2
IranianUranium
Give Cuomo a little credit
November 14, 2008 - 19:07 ET by IamTinmanChris's job was to bring out the information and Ayers response without being overly judgemental. That's what we would like to see from the MSM and he did pretty much okay as far as showing Ayers for the unrepentent terrorist that he still is.
We would like, I'm sure to have some smoking gun, but it isn't likely to happen. The best we will get is one more link in a lifetime of Baracks association with the marxist oriented far left wing of the democrat party.
Has this bonehead EVER
November 14, 2008 - 20:22 ET by FastEdsaid he was sorry for the people who died? Does the loser media have the smarts to see that they are contributing to the fall of the american way of life? Do they know that by NOT telling (read reporting) the truth, they are just proving how stupid they are? I'd like to hear from someone in the media, but knowing how cowardly they are, I might as well wait for my personal bailout.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Sorry for what?
November 15, 2008 - 11:33 ET by JRJ08Ayers was responsible for no deaths. The charges against him were dropped in 1980. And, for your information, the "American way of life" was built upon dissent and civil disobedience. Attacking dissenters is grossly unAmerican.
»→ JRJ
November 15, 2008 - 11:39 ET by Cool ArrowThe charges were dropped because wiretap laws had changed while Ayers was on the lam.
You're painting a rosy picture of a killer you idolize just because you, and he, love Obama.
How was that "Free Eric Rudolph" rally you attended yesterday?
It's all about hate, isn't it.
November 15, 2008 - 11:53 ET by JRJ08There's nothing "rosy" about the picture I painted. It's just that my picture doesn't look like yours, therefore I "idolize" a killer. A killer who never killed a single person. Nobody on this website is as conservative as I am. I was a lifelong Republican. But when I read remarks like this, I realize that the GOP has deterioriated to the level of a prison-yard riot, where there is no thoughtful discussion, much less an ability to listen. At some point, I fully expect to banned from this site, because a lot of people like you hate any opposing view. This is not what being an American is about. The charges against Ayers were dropped because there was no other evidence against him, and his crimes amounted to little more than extreme vandalism.
»→ JRJ, all righty then
November 15, 2008 - 12:51 ET by Cool ArrowWas it Adolph Hitler's finger on the trigger of a smoking gun that turns you against him, or the actions of his organization?
Now you're really spinning JRJ.
»→ Don't be a crybaby
November 15, 2008 - 12:58 ET by Cool Arrow"because a lot of people like you hate any opposing view."
Hate? Did I say "hate"
Did I say all Liberals are Ayers apologists? No.
Looks to me that you're grasping for absolute polarity where it doesn't exist.
Keep it up with the "people like you" comments. I may be more complex than the stereotype of which you accuse me.
You don't listen very well.
November 15, 2008 - 14:54 ET by JWFAyers never ADMITTED to killing anyone because there is NO statute of limitations on Murder.
He is a stone cold killer and you are lapping up his propaganda.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Son of Privilege/Chicago Machine
November 15, 2008 - 14:25 ET by GBAThe charges were dropped because of "technicalities." I am sure it is just a coincidence that Ayers, the son of privilege from a well-connected/rich/political Chicago family was the "victim" of some sort of police/prosecutorial misconduct. BS!! He benefited from the power of his family and their political connections. It takes a monumental hypocrit to defend his bombings and decry the political and social hierarchy of the "empire," and then to gladly accept the benefits of those same political and social ties. He then continued to take advantage to obtain and maintain his cushy university position. What a complete joke this man is.
A terrorist with ties to
November 14, 2008 - 21:01 ET by smoto66A terrorist with ties to the president elect and the first news story the msm puts on is12 days after the election .At this point obama should give him a cabinet positon the msm wont care.
he will disappear!
November 14, 2008 - 23:55 ET by CANCON1Glen Beck said it best.
"I just don't understand a country that can accept this man"
"The man is crazy insane"
"Excuse me, you cannot be allowed to teach this to Kids"
There is no such thing as moral outrage.
Where is America?
CANCON... I just now got
November 15, 2008 - 00:02 ET by bigtimerCANCON...
I just now got through listening to him on BOR...I could of hugged him...he sure as heck spoke for me!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
LIE!
November 15, 2008 - 09:31 ET by JWF, the question comes, after 70 percent of America oppose the war, after the war has been virtually lost,
LIE! We never lost one single battle in Vietnam. We were ultimately successful in stopping North Vietnam from taking over the South.
It was only after a peace treaty had been signed and we had all but drawn all of our troops out that the North AGAIN invaded the South and we (read Democrats) turned our back on an ally.
Ayers is a liar and a terrorist.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Ayers is right...
November 15, 2008 - 11:23 ET by JRJ08Ayers was the typical angry college kid during the late 1960's. If you lived through that era, you know exactly what his mentality was because it was prevalent everywhere. Hundreds of thousands of young people, especially draft-age men, protested the Vietnam war in one way or another. Ayers' methods were particularly extreme and destructive, but he was not a "terrorist" bent on killing anybody. In fact, he blew up two restrooms, causing a total of about $200,000 damage. And, as he said in this interview, he never did kill anybody. He's "unrepentant" because repenting would he mean he no longer holds those ideals which made him against the killing of innocent people in the rice paddies and villages of Vietnam. John McCain, who dropped bombs on the Vietnamese and got captured the process, obviously has a lot of anger toward Ayers and he used Ayers' past to get at Obama by implying there was some sort of sinister anti-American collusion going on. It was despicable because McCain has zero proof of what he was suggesting. It was just thrown out there to create suspicion. In this interview, Cuomo seemed not to get that the "concerns" raised by McCain and Palin during the campaign were based upon a distortion of what had been a purely professional working relationship in an organization dedicated to helping lower income families in Chicago. But the innuendo used by McCain/Palin was intended to suggest more. It was a classic "big lie" which the Republican candidates repeated over and over again, hoping voters would just accept it. Again, as Ayers said, voters rejected the tactic, as they should have.
Ayers was Right? In who's world?
November 15, 2008 - 11:28 ET by CobraManI grew up in the 60's , and I don't anyone who can claim that detonating bombs is a proper means of protest. I don't care who you are, I don't care what your politics are, I don't care what your protest is about, detonating bombs is a CRIME and anyone commits such a crime should be prosecuted to the full extent of that law. Claiming that "no one was killed' belittles the fact that Ayers committed CRIMES, and joined an organization that declared WAR against the US of A. How can you excuse this behavior and claim he was right?
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Ayers was Right?
November 15, 2008 - 11:35 ET byCobra,
if and only if I am allowed to protest his protest by bombing his house.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Ayers is right...
November 15, 2008 - 11:38 ET by JRJ08You are misrepresenting what I said. Detonating bombs, even just to blow up bathrooms, is illegal and a crime. But Ayers' intent was not to kill anybody. It was nothing more than extreme vandalism, and the charges against him were dropped in 1980. Calling him a terrorist trivializes that term, which should only be used to describe murderers who intentionally target innocent victims. McCain and Palin referred to Ayers as a terrorist in order to incite fear in the electorate. That is what Ayers was right about, and he was right when he said that voters rejected the tactic.
I'm not "misrepresenting" anything!
November 15, 2008 - 11:52 ET by CobraManI'm not "misrepresenting" anything, you are! You just claimed that Ayers was right for setting bombs! It doesn't matter if "no one" was killed, that possibility still existed. Ayers was a domestic terrorists, he used terror as a means to force people to accept his views and to change government policy. That's terrorism by ANYONE'S standards! How can you claim that this is right? Are you so willing to forgive his criminal activities simply because you approve of his politics?
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Yes, you are.
November 15, 2008 - 12:00 ET by JRJ08Show me the exact quote where I said "Ayers was right for setting bombs!" What I said was that Ayers was not a terrorist. "Terror", as you say, is inflicted on human beings. It is the emotion people feel when their lives are endangered. Unoccupied bathrooms in closed government buildings do not experience terror. Calling Ayers a terrorist trivializes the term. Your alleged "standards" are standards of convenience, driven by a reflexive hatred of the country's first African-American president. So you're willing to believe anything anybody tells you if it helps discredit him. It's pathetic.
Your first scetence said it
November 15, 2008 - 12:06 ET by CobraManYour first sentence said it! Your Subject lines also said it! Are you denying what you, yourself, posted?
The rest of your post was nothing more than an attempt to JUSTIFY Ayers' terrorism and an attempt to MINIMIZE his activities by arguing that he was mealy "protesting" the draft and by trying to deflect blame to McCain and the US Government. Your intent is as transparent as glass, and your arguments are just as fragile.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Since you want exact quotes...
November 15, 2008 - 12:12 ET by CobraMan"driven by a reflexive hatred of the country's first African-American president"
Since you want exact quotes, show me where I even MENTIONED Obama, even in passing. That is called deflection and it is an extremely POOR debating tactic. Talk about pathetic!
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
»→ Great defense
November 15, 2008 - 12:01 ET by Cool ArrowI'm thinking Sirhan-Sirhan was just trying to vandalize the kitchen after some bad Crab Louie.
So, he missed, and killed Bobby Kennedy? JRJ could be Sirhan's lawyer. His buddy Ayers has already agreed to JRJ's defense for Sirhan.
Do a little research.
November 15, 2008 - 12:01 ET by CobraManYou REALLY need to do a little research about the Weather Underground, the organization of which Ayers was a member.
This is from the FBI itself: "In 1976, the FBI's Chicago Field Office prepared a summary which described the activities of the Weather Underground Organization, also known as Weathermen. This organization described itself as a revolutionary organization of communist men and women."
Here's the link.
These people were not merely unhappy men and women who did nothing more that use "extreme vandalism" as a means of protest. These people were revolutionaries who's sole purpose was to overthrow the US government using terror and violence! How can you dismiss this so easily?
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Oh Great. Another professional Obamatroll.
November 15, 2008 - 12:02 ET by R D HelmAnd a flagrant liar at that.
The fact that Ayers would associate himself with such people says much about him, and the fact that you come in here and defend him for having done so says even more about you.
To me, you are nothing but a terrorist sympathizer, which makes you just as bad as the terrorists themselves, and about twelve feet lower than the lowest whale excrement.
Liberalism is a mental disorder, and your post here defending a member of a terrorist organization proves it.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
»→ Associate himself?
November 15, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Cool ArrowIt's not that he associated himself with such people, it is that he organized this group of people.
Ayers and JRJ are both wrong
November 15, 2008 - 15:00 ET by GBAFrom the Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/terrorist?view=uk
terrorist
• noun a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims
Terrorism isn't about killing, it's about terror. It's using force and violence, or the threat thereof, to scare people and create a "mandate for change" to borrow a phrase. Terrorism doesn't even require an overt act--you can send an email that says if the government doesn't meet your demands you'll put poison in milk. If it's broadcast far enough you can frighten people into not buying milk, which impacts parents who are concerned about their children, stores that sell milk, farmers that produce milk, etc. If you do this once, it's a little bit scary, if you continue to make threats, it becomes a situation where people don't trust store-bought products and the economy is rocked. If you actually carry out the threat, it raises the level of terror even higher, and the impact is greater. So, logically (which is a concept that often escapes liberals, especially those in the university) threatening to set bombs is terrorism, and actually setting off bombs is terrorism, and hurting or killing people (which the Weather Underground did do, despite the weasely protestions of their founders) while also terrorism, is not a necessary element.
Thank you...
November 16, 2008 - 13:25 ET by JRJ08Your own post proves my point, buddy. You don't intimidate an unoccupied restroom in an unoccupied government building's restroom. Terror is about frightening people. Nobody was in the buildings that Ayers set off his bombs in because they were intentionally timed to go off after hours. A terrorist blows up cars in crowded market places, flies planes into buildings in broad daylight, and commits suicide in a busy pizzaria. People who deface and damage empty buildings are vandals. Nobody in this god-forsaken blog has any proof that William Ayers ever intended to hurt a living soul. He was angry at the government, not citizens. Again, this is not to justify his acts. It's just to get some people here to stop trivializing real terrorism. The people who do most of the posting in this blog are just out of control ideologues who are angry about what happened in this election. Angry to the point of believing all the lies and distortions that came out of the most despicable presidential campaign since Andrew Jackson ran against John Quincy Adams. This may come as a shock to some of you, but not every word that came out of Sarah Palin's mouth was true. In fact, they were meant to incite suspicion and hatred among people like you. And you bought it, which says more about you than anything else.
Well said!!! If Sarah
November 16, 2008 - 13:43 ET by TexasOptimistWell said!!!
If Sarah Palin represents the future of the GOP, then the GOP is doomed.
I am a conservative who is willing to think for himself.
I am a conservative who is willing to think for himself.
November 17, 2008 - 23:28 ET by R D HelmNo, you are a dumbass Obamatic idiot who hasn't had an original thought since birth.
What is more, you have allied yourself with a freedom-loathing, America-hating troll.
Have a nice life, Texas Wolf.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
texaswolf7777
November 17, 2008 - 23:38 ET by UnsaneActually, texaswolf7777, if we conservatives DON'T turn to Sarah Palin (or someone in that vein), we are doomed. We already turned to the Left to get more voters and that failed miserably. Why should we stay on that course?
Actually, you are a Leftist who is deeply embarrassed and ashamed to admit it. It's funny how the Left is full of people who absolutely will not depart from Leftist orthodoxy no matter what the cost, while those evil conservatives - you know, those guys and gals who never think for themselves - actually engage in the most intriguing, intellectual policy debates.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
There are plenty of old
November 16, 2008 - 14:30 ET by katainkentThere are plenty of old articles detailing the terror inflicted by William Ayers. Unfortunately you have to pay a fee to read them so I cannot personally quote them. What I can find, are articles that came out around the terror attack of 9-11. The Weathermen "hadn't done enough" Ayers said. And that is correct. Example follows:
They wanted to escalate and either couldn't come up with the resources or the organization/motivation. That is one thing Al-Qaeda has had on the WU. Their motivation is unflinching. They were willing to die for their cause.
But, I think to somehow try to grade and measure the fear-factor of the people who were targets of Ayer's bombing against those who were in NY that day is offensive to all parties involved. Comparing Ayers to vandals trivialises what he did! Vandals choose targets indiscrimately. Ayers' repeatedly targeted government installations and institutions that represented authrority. They were buildings in which people worked, not abandoned warehouses.
After the election our neighborhood was... vandalised or terrorized? Only homes that had McCain and other Republican signs and bumper stickers woke up to find swastikas and other symbols of hate painted on their homes and cars. It was like a punch in the stomach resulting in feelings of both fear and anger. Is it a one time political statement, or next time does something get burned down? Now, whether I want to or not. I find myself unconsciously checking the locks more often and looking out into our yard at night when I hear odd noises.
THAT SAID and moving to a completely separate argument; The utilization of Bill Ayers for this campaign should have been as a precision instrument but the McCain camp used it as a blunt instrument. Instead of bringing up the idealism and motivation held by both Ayers and Obama over the course of years and illustrated by the programs they created, supported and funded he utilized the word terror like a ball peen hammer. Going for the simplest common denominator rather than speaking directly to the people and having an honest conversation about the economic impact of these social projects and letting people draw their own conclusions.
I think that anyone who wanted to research, did so. Those who tend to be sheep, continued with their sheep-ness regardless of campaign tactics. And I mean that for both sides of the aisle.
People who are independantly conservative, like myself were the ones that suffered most. In that there was really no good choice and to keep us from falling still further down the rabbit hole, we had to vote for someone who was less than palatable.
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You're moving the target
November 16, 2008 - 20:30 ET by GBANice try, but my post was in response to your initial post which was that it wasn't terrorism because he didn't kill people. (Which, of course, the WU did do--killing at least two policemen in a shootout when they tried to rob a Brinks truck, and another officer in a bombing in San Francisco that is generally attibuted to them, in addition to three of their own members. Death or great bodily harm is also a foreseeable outcome of shrapnel bombs, and bombs at occupied homes and under vehicles). My only point was that killing is not a necessary element of terrorism. Attacking civil institutions is a common form of terrorism, it sends a message that no place is safe. However, you can't limit my argument to the few examples you cite--there were many more bombs placed by the WU, and not all of them were in empty restrooms and at least a few of them did harm or threated harm to people.
OJ didn't kill anyone, RIGHT! .
November 15, 2008 - 11:37 ET by upcountrywaterAnd after you demorats took over the congress and cut off the funding this is what happened to Viet Nam
And you FILTHY bast**ds want to do the same to Iraq.
No one I knew BLEW UP ANYTHING, BACK IN THE 60'S..
TYPICAL! righhhtteee
Now your guy is going to talk with this guy
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The "FILTHY bast**ds" are right, too.
November 15, 2008 - 11:44 ET by JRJ08This kind of irrational rant has nothing to do with reality. It's just an angry counterattack, which is what a lot of Republicans are doing now. Until you become a little more introspective and are willing to accept that you don't know as much as you think you know, the Republican Party will never win another national election. It's as simple as that. Whether you know it or not, the vast majority of Americans don't want one more U.S. soldier slaughtered in Iraq. It's not worth it. We've been there more than five years. It's time for the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own futures now. By the way, "my guy" is also your guy. Unless you're not a citizen of this country.
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November 15, 2008 - 11:55 ET by Cool ArrowThat's just creepy JRJ. I'll assume you're a woman. (not that there's anything wrong with, you know . . .)
What is this place?
November 15, 2008 - 12:08 ET by JRJ08It's not nearly as creepy as some of the hateful, anti-logic I've read in this blog over the last 30 minutes. It is truly scary that people in this country actually feel the way some of you do. The eagerness to accept lies out of political expediency and apply such venom to people who don't agree with you is a real sickness in this country. I'm sure none of you watched the broadcast of what went on in Grant Park on November 4th. It probably would have just made you more angry, and I think that's sad. You missed out on one of the greatest moments in the country's history because you prefer to hold onto your prejudices and anger. Self-destructive.
Who's accepting lies here?
November 15, 2008 - 12:14 ET by CobraManWho's accepting lies here? It's sure not us as we REJECT your lies about the Weather Underground and Ayers.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Who is "us"?
November 15, 2008 - 12:23 ET by JRJ08I have not mentioned the Weather Underground once. I'm talking about William Ayers and what he did. That was a large group with more violent factions in it. But, again, these people were driven by their anger about the war in Vietnam, which killed +55,000 U.S. soldiers and more than 1,000,000 Vietnamese. On top of that, it created an entire generation of homeless veterans. Who is to say which side of that argument was more immoral? Again, blowing things up is definitely a crime, but I don't think it rises to the level of terrorism.
Are you really that stupid?
November 15, 2008 - 12:30 ET by CobraMan"I'm talking about William Ayers and what he did."
Are you really that stupid? Ayers did what he did as part of the Weather Underground!
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He couldn't be Cobra
November 15, 2008 - 12:40 ET by Cool ArrowEven JRJ couldn't defend Ayers' wrapping explosives with roofing nails and fencing staples.
Simply put, Ayers was building and passing out anti-personnel explosives.
You don't need shrapnel to bring down a wall. You need it to kill people, though.
Justified terrorisM
November 15, 2008 - 12:33 ET by CobraMan"But, again, these people were driven by their anger about the war in Vietnam"
I can't believe that you're STILL trying to justify terrorism! By your logic, I should be able to set bombs and join an organization who's stated purpose is to overthrow the Obama administration simply because I don''t like his policies! That's outrageous!
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
JRJ08
November 15, 2008 - 12:59 ET by MrShy"Again, blowing things up is definitely a crime, but I don't think it rises to the level of terrorism."
It doesn't?
(cue loopy circus music...)
Btw, isn't it a wonderful thing that Iraq is in no way, shape or form, anything resembling Vietnam?
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The irony
November 17, 2008 - 23:45 ET by UnsaneI note that you utter NOT ONE LITTLE PEEP about the people the Vietnamese government killed in the oppression of their people, or of the famine of the 1980s, or of the "boat people" trying to get away from all of that.
But then, you are a State-worshipping Socialist. For you, the State is God and the Holy Shahinshah is Christ.
THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
JRJ08
November 15, 2008 - 12:24 ET by MrShyAre you done? You're projecting.
I think it's perfectly fine that we let off a little steam. Have you paid any attention to the treatment (that would be, um, complete unhinged anger, vitriol, claims of murderer, hopes for his assassination, and so on...) our current president has had to tolerate since he "stole" the 2000 election?
EDIT: Thank you, CobraMan. It never ceases to make me completely numb, how anyone can totally drink up on the lying and deceiving the mainstream media has been doling out by the truckloads. We were lied to -- and/or the truth withheld -- up and down about this utterly unqualified, no-track-record president elect, and his ugly CLOSE associations.
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I will never be "done"...
November 15, 2008 - 12:31 ET by JRJ08Unlike some people here, I don't apply extreme emotions to political disagreements. I voted for Bush in 2000, then watched a steady stream of incompetent decisions over the next 7 years. He has the lowest approval rating in history for good reason. That speaks for itself.
As far as Obama is concerned, he's a highly intelligent, pragmatic student of history who will surround himself with the best and the brightest, rather than his college fraternity brothers. It is arguable whether or not he has had "ugly CLOSE associations", but what president hasn't? Nobody in public office lives in an insulted bubble that isolates them from all sorts of people. If we made that the litmus test for any president, only unborn children could be elected. We've had a checkers player in the Oval Office for the last 8 years and, in case you hadn't noticed, things haven't gone too well. It's time to bring a chess player and see if brains can make a difference.
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November 15, 2008 - 12:43 ET by Cool ArrowI don't apply extreme emotions to political disagreements.
If we made that the litmus test for any president, only unborn children could be elected.
Contradict yourself? Much? In the same post?
JRJ08
November 15, 2008 - 12:48 ET by MrShy"He has the lowest approval rating in history for good reason."
Oooooh yeah. For good reason, alright. And I'll let you figure that one out.
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»→ Good Point Shy
November 15, 2008 - 13:01 ET by Cool ArrowSeems like Abe Lincoln's populariuty rating was so bad a war was fought over it.
Good company.
yea CA, Lincoln, the FIRST REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT..
November 15, 2008 - 13:25 ET by upcountrywaterHad a 100% American kill rate.
he was hated so much he was assassinated.
And President Bush gets a lower rating...
Freedom is bad.
Ignorance is strength.
We have left the paved road for, a rutty dirt road.
First Mutt's Viet Nam 2
IranianUranium
The first what?
November 15, 2008 - 13:51 ET by CobraManThe first what? I guess you never heard of Thomas Jefferson (you know the founder of the Jeffersonian Republicans?) and James Madison.
On Edit: Opps, forgot the < sarc > tag
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I think in 20 years history
November 15, 2008 - 13:10 ET by SeashellI think in 20 years history will reveal that Bush was right on the war and that the seed of democracy we planted there is now flourshing thus terrorism is now fading. That he led our country through a challenging and unpopular war but stood steadfast in his beliefs, and that those beliefs were right for our country and the world.
Seashell
November 15, 2008 - 13:38 ET by MrShyBravo! Great post. Time will tell, but if I had any money I'd put it down that this will indeed be the case in 20 years time.
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