It appears the good folks at the Huffington Post have a firm grasp on the hatefulness of their members, for the article published there on Saturday concerning the passing of Tony Snow is not accepting comments.
I guess Huffington's employees anticipated disgusting remarks about the former White House press secretary, and rather than deal with them on an individual basis chose to prevent them completely.
This seems a good decision considering the disgraceful behavior of HuffPosters in February 2007 when a homicide bomber struck outside a military compound in Afghanistan where Vice President Dick Cheney was staying.
Update at end of post: Netroots on the offensive concerning Snow's demise.
Michelle Malkin preserved the unpleasantness for all to see here.
With this in mind, it was highly likely things were going to get ugly there today, and quickly, which raises an interesting question: were comments closed out of respect for Tony, or to prevent the world from once again seeing just how hateful folks on the ultra-left are today?
*****Update: Much as after last week's announcement concerning the death of former Sen. Jesse Helms, Netroots commenters are dancing on Tony's grave today. As I have no interest in giving this too much attention, and don't want to copy any of this feculence here, readers can opt on their own to click on the following links to see how the supposedly compassionate left behave when someone on the right dies (vulgarity alert):
Tony Snow MORE IMPORTANT than Dead Soldiers
On the flipside, the folks at Democratic Underground have decided to delete comments about Snow they find offensive:
I gave the moderators instructions to delete inappropriate posts about Tony Snow.
So, instead of creating extra work for them, it would be nice if people would voluntarily refrain from posting inflammatory crap that makes us all look like jerks.
Thank you for your understanding.
Skinner
DU Admin
Nicely done, Skinner.
*****Update II: HuffPo opened the Snow article for comments at approximately 1:29PM.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
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Which is it?
July 12, 2008 - 11:36 ET by AuVox...were comments closed out of respect for Tony, or to prevent the world from once again seeing just how hateful folks on the ultra-left are today?
Ummmm...I'm gonna go with "B". Final answer...
AuVox
he he he
July 12, 2008 - 11:36 ET by candanceThe lefties will be fuming and calling it a conspiracy. Then you'll see the spillover at DKos and other sites.
I can't quite tell what's the bigger story here - the admins have enough care to try to be classy or their members are just that bad.
Arriana knew if she didn't
July 12, 2008 - 12:01 ET by BlazerArriana knew if she didn't close the flood gates on her sewer, Huffpo would have gotten hit with the same turds that DKOS and Du did.
I'm sure she's nodding in silent agreement though.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I'm glad that Arianna had the good......
July 12, 2008 - 12:12 ET by BEGRUNTsense to stop the bilge before it started. I'm sure they will all run to the kos kooks to spew their venom. These SOB's have no respect for anyone or anything......they truly are psychotic, and pathetic.
Tony, you will be missed by all of us......a lone sane voice in the White House press corps. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. May Gods light shine upon you, rest in peace.
BGM.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
By their friends shall ye know them, Arianna
July 12, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Jack BauerIt must make the former conservative, Arianne Stasinipolus, feel so good to know that she left her friends behind to ally herself with people who are consumed with such raging hate.
Well done Arianne!
I was fishing around to find
July 12, 2008 - 17:37 ET by Chris NormanI was fishing around to find a term to describe the jump ol' Arrianna made politically and all I can come up with is "political prostitute" - but that's not quite right either. A mercenary, perhaps? No, that would be Dick Morris. Hmmm.
McNotObama '08
chris -- hows about The
July 13, 2008 - 10:50 ET by Jack Bauerchris -- hows about The Crappy Hooker?
Did Dick and Arriana
July 14, 2008 - 09:55 ET by Hero SquadDid Dick and Arriana high-five when they passed each other on their way to the other side?
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
At least they are being
July 12, 2008 - 12:39 ET by Cureboy675At least they are being respectful to Mr Snow by closing down the comments. There will always always the mean-spirited crackpots who will make disgusting remarks at a time like this. No matter what side of the spectrum they are from.
No matter what side of the
July 12, 2008 - 19:20 ET by PeskyDaneNo matter what side of the spectrum they are from.
No, just that side. Nice try at moral equivalence, though.
Like I mentioned some place
July 12, 2008 - 19:24 ET by Cureboy675Like I mentioned some place else. I'm not really interested in keeping score of which political party says more offensive things when a person dies. If that's your interest, then carry on.
Nice try at keeping everybody labelled and divided, though.
disrespecful comments regarding Tony Snow
July 12, 2008 - 12:47 ET by shawn228There is a huge difference between how disrespecful the posters of Newsbusters and Huffpo and Du are, I am not not denying that, but Brent Bozell did the same thing and closed off comments for his article re: Tim Russert last month on NB.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Right you are Shawn, but
July 12, 2008 - 12:51 ET by BlazerRight you are Shawn, but there were plenty of posts up shortly thereafter on Mr. Russert that followed where the comments were not closed and they came minutes not hours or days after that were respectful and showed class toward Mr. Russert and his family.It was the usual suspects over at Kos and DU that were trashing him.
I just took it as Mr. Bozell wanting to pay tribute personally to Mr. Russert without any personal opinion interjected in either direction. Plus Mr. Bozell doesn't post as much as the other contributers and being at the top of the masthead I sort of looked at as a sort of "Special Comment" by him.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Exactly right blazer
July 12, 2008 - 12:56 ET by Dee BunkIt was Bozell's personal tribute and the other articles had comments. The huffpo didn't even do their own tribute. It' looks like they just posted other peoples stuff. They didn't do a personal tribute unless it's on a different page or something. Does anyone know if they did do one?
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
I see your point Blazer
July 12, 2008 - 13:02 ET by shawn228I just wanted to point out that Mr. Bozell did something similar. Du is a site full of crackpots but looks like they are banning all mean and disrespecful comments for Tony Snow as well.
PS
Looks like the the new Star Wars clone movie will be pretty good.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Like I said as I'm sure
July 12, 2008 - 13:13 ET by BlazerLike I said as I'm sure most here will agree it was a personal heartfelt tribute by Mr. Bozell and not some sinister plot to circumvent free speech or cover up a deluge of hateful comments, like Arianna did. She knew full well what was getting ready to happen over there and decided to hurry up and pull Huffpo out of the toilet before it overflowed.
I just thought you were comparing apples to oranges when it came to NB and Huffpo, but on the surface you are correct.
Shawn, imho the last "Star Wars" movie was "Return Of The Jedi", isn't the new "Clones" movie animated ?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Shawn
July 12, 2008 - 13:19 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
I was expecting someone was going to bring this up, but I imagined it would be a troll or a hater. I must admit I'm disappointed it's you.
On the day Tim Russert died, we had a large number of articles concerning his life and his death. We didn't close comments on any of them.
However, Brent wanted to offer his opinions about Tim, and wanted them to stand on their own without comment. For this situation to be at all analogous, the article at HP should have been written by Arianna. It wasn't. It was an AP story about Tony's death. Furthermore, from what I can tell, there are no other articles or posts currently at HP concerning Tony. As such, HPers have NO outlet to comment.
This is NOT what occurred here the day Tim died, and any suggestion of similarity is errant and disingenuous.
That doesn't mean we can't get together at Izzy's for a beer and some fried oysters, though!!! :-) ns
Noel
July 12, 2008 - 18:34 ET by shawn228Noel, I hope you don't think I meant any disrespect, i mentioned already in my original post that there was a huge difference between NB and DU and HuffPo.
I just wanted to point it out because there was a conservative members that questioned that decision as well.
Anyways, i'm not as confident of Obama picking Hillary as his vp now, so I might lose out bet, but I have not given up hope :-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Unfortunately one of the
July 12, 2008 - 13:34 ET by bigtimerUnfortunately one of the first things that crossed my mind after the heart-breaking news for me about Tony passing, was the leftist bogs...
I will not check them out...I can already imagine their hatefulness...they can't help themselves, these critters are nothing but hate-filled in my opinion.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt......I looked at about two posts on that hate filled.......
July 12, 2008 - 15:24 ET by BEGRUNTcrap that Noel provided a link to......pathetic, just pathetic. I have never really gone to any of those sites before, all I can say is my blood pressure went through the roof. I will never do that again. I knew there was scum in the world, but never displayed in such a fashion as I saw.....truly revolting, and disgusting, to think a human being can think the way they do. There is NO comparison between those sites and NB's NONE!! We NBers my go at each other now and again.....but nothing like what I saw. Hatred for the sake of hatred.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
The folks on the left can't
July 12, 2008 - 14:06 ET by marvlThe folks on the left can't seem to see beyond their own hatred. How can these people be that viscous and lacking in compassion?
Courting
July 12, 2008 - 18:43 ET by ThisnThat"How can these people be that viscous and lacking in compassion?"
And don't forget, those are the people Obama courted during the primaries. When he made his comments regarding "clinging to their guns", these are the ones he wanted to hear his comments.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
I think it largely comes
July 12, 2008 - 19:19 ET by BigSky1970I think it largely comes from denying the existance of God.
Kennedy
July 12, 2008 - 15:20 ET by JDWI was not here but would have been surprised to have seen a negative post on Kennedy during his hospitalization. Obviously remarks were possible in the open post but again, I would not have expected them.
Outside URLs treated him kindly as did FOX.
The difference in our parties in this aspect alone is quite apparent.
JDW
SAPPY NEWS
DAILY WAVE
RIP
July 12, 2008 - 15:23 ET by ImAllRightGod be with you Tony and your family.
I would hope though that all of the posters on here that are angered by a few insensitive remarks made on the lefty blogs will respect and use constraint when Senator Kennedy succumbs to his illness or any other symbol of liberals today, which hopefully won't be soon as nobody should wish death upon anyone.
I hope Tony went peacfully and fast as his time approached, cancer is no joke.
Sad to see people being that
July 12, 2008 - 15:27 ET by mjgSad to see people being that awful. They can't let someone rest in peace. Whether they disagreed with him or not.
I purused the HP comments
July 12, 2008 - 15:37 ET by HermanoI purused the HP comments and it seems that there are about 40-50% negative posts about which 10% were really vile. The remainder were basically, "I didn't agree with him, but may be rest in peace" type responses. I am actually relieved it was not worse.
How can it be explained?
July 12, 2008 - 16:09 ET by Amanda JusticeI'm just so puzzled by the venom on the left. How is it humanly possibly (and I'm seriously asking this question) for anybody to have these kinds of thoughts after another human being passes? I really am having a hard time grasping these souls that appear to be nothing more than black holes without depth. How can the world see this display and not have utter disgust and disdain for these sorry excuses for humans?
I took some time...
July 12, 2008 - 17:06 ET by 3strikesto check out as many posts on the Liberal websites as I could stomach, which I will admit wasn't much. But one thing that stood out from the vitriol was a simple explanation made by several of the posters.
They said something to the effect of, "You wouldn't write condolences to Hitler or Goebbles, would you?"
While there are a few civil and decent people on their side, the vast majority of the left now considers anyone who is of the Conservative bent as equal to Nazis. And anyone who actually is a public figure of the Conservative ideology is equal to Hitler. This is the modern liberal mindset.
We Conservatives believe that Liberals are simply misguided, and if one of their leaders... say Ted Kennedy died, the vast majority of Conservatives would write something to the effect of, "I completely disagreed with everything that man stood for, but I wish his family comfort, and I hope that he rests in peace."
Liberals on the other hand believe that Conservatives are EVIL, and while a few people were decent enough to write something similar to what I wrote above, most almost gleefully spoke of Tony being waterboarded in the deepest dungeon of hell.
This is modern Liberalism.
OK. First of all, I am not
July 12, 2008 - 19:04 ET by Cureboy675OK. First of all, I am not defending any of the mean-spirited comments. They show a complete and utter lack of taste and respect.
But please don't go so far as saying something as all-encompassing as "This is modern Liberalism". Because its not true. Yes, there are the mean (actually I would describe them as sick) people who take joy in somebody else's death. But its not a liberal thing and its not a conservative thing. Some people are cruel. And if you seek out those people, you're going to find them.
I was about to revisit the list of quotes that I compiled shortly after we went through all of this with Jesse Helms. A list of quotes dealing with some mean-spirited reaction to Ted Kennedy's diagnosis. But then I realized, what's the point? I am not really interested in using somebody's death to tabulate a scorecard over who is more insensitive. Because that in itself is pretty disrespectful to the deceased.
You're never going to shame people (no matter what their political affiliation is) into keeping their uncivilized mouths shut at a time like this. We're in the Internet age, where people can shoot their mouths off via the laptop in their living room and not have to worry about seeing that look of total disgust and contempt that they would see in somebody's eyes if they were "brave enough" to say something like this in public.
Okay, cure. Then, can you
July 12, 2008 - 19:28 ET by Chris NormanOkay, cure. Then, can you explain how these liberals reconcile such hate and mean-spiritedness with their pronounced self-view of themselves as more compassionate and tolerant than conservatives?
My theory is, in demonizing conservatives, especially the Bush Administration, they have made it easy for themselves to treat someone like Tony Snow as sub-human, where rules of respect for the deceased don't apply. The hatred has grown out of control - and long ago.
McNotObama '08
Like I said. I'm not here
July 12, 2008 - 20:05 ET by Cureboy675Like I said. I'm not here to defend them. Because I don't even want to defend that kind of behavior.
Are there some liberals that are filled with vitriol and hatred and have the gall to then claim to be compassionate? Absolutely. Conversely, there are conservatives that are just as filled with vitriol and hatred and have the gall to then claim to be God-fearing Evangelicals.
I just guarantee you that you will never find a stereotype that accurately describes everybody in a particular group. All liberals are not pure-hearted. All liberals are not cold-hearted. The same goes for conservatives.
"I just guarantee you
July 12, 2008 - 20:22 ET by Blazer"I just guarantee you that you will never find a stereotype that accurately describes everybody in a particular group."
Wrong once again Cure, the overwhelming majority of the left are in-humane, vile, disgusting and intolerant when it comes to finding humanity when it comes to a difference of ideaology.
Funny ( not very) though they seem to have more love for Americas enemies than they do their statesmen, and soldiers.
A small, very small minority exists here on the right that relishes un-abounded joy in a fellow human beings death due to party affiliation.
Prove us wrong, I implore you. Prove us wrong!
P.S.- And make sure you post the proof !
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Thank you Blaze. "America
July 12, 2008 - 20:26 ET by bigtimerThank you Blaze.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Your welcome bt, and thank
July 12, 2008 - 20:34 ET by BlazerYour welcome bt, and thank you and the multitudes of other truly passionate and tolerant pundits and conservatives that made it possible for me to say that, and back it up.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
You expect me to argue with
July 12, 2008 - 23:10 ET by Cureboy675You expect me to argue with a statement like "the overwhelming majority of the left are in-humane, vile, disgusting and intolerant".
Your mind is obviously made up. Nothing I could ever say would ever persuade you. You see what you want to see. You see only that which further reinforces what you already believe. Everything else is ignored or explained away. How sad for you.
blazer is correct
July 12, 2008 - 23:52 ET by candanceI realize that there are some people who are just plain crazy no matter what they believe about politics. That said, there is a very disturbing trend in the American left in which these hateful kooks are becoming more and more commonplace - and more implicitly accepted.
No one is here to keep score, but if you took NB and HuffPo on any random day and compared them, you would find much more callousness and anger on HuffPo.
I'm not saying this with any kind of sneering attitude. Honestly it saddens me. But HuffPo has that reputation for a reason and I won't let you sugarcoat it.
I'm totally not trying to
July 13, 2008 - 00:12 ET by Cureboy675I'm totally not trying to be disrespectful. But its all a matter of perspective. As a "liberal" who posts here at Newsbusters I see all kinds of callousness and anger. The earlier statement "the overwhelming majority of the left are in-humane, vile, disgusting and intolerant". That's a prime example. More often than not, I'm guessing you don't recognize it because it is not directed towards you or your particular beliefs.
But the opposite is true for you. At a place like Huffington Post, you would absolutely see the anger and callousness because it is directed towards you or your particular beliefs.
Everybody, including me, lets their beliefs cloud their judgement to some degree. And everybody, including me, will be a lot more quick to realize when their side is being attacked as opposed to realizing when somebody on their side is doing the attacking.
I'm totally not trying to be disrespectful...?
July 13, 2008 - 03:14 ET by marvl"I'm totally not trying to be disrespectful?"
WTF? Are you, like, totally only, like, 13 years old? Man, that's, like, totally bogus.
Thank you for proving my
July 13, 2008 - 09:15 ET by Cureboy675Thank you for proving my point.
I vote...
July 14, 2008 - 10:23 ET by ontheright...planted "troll".
Cure I'll quote one of your
July 13, 2008 - 08:28 ET by BlazerCure I'll quote one of your true heroes:
"I feel your pain."
But like I said "prove" me wrong. The only thing you've offered up so far are empty platitudes. The fact is, a great majority of people on the left are vile and disgusting when it comes to relaying their sentiments. No surprise however, 62% of liberals are mentally ill.
Your above posts only reinforce the fact that you know what I said is true. I can provide the links to back what I said up, can you?
(crickets chirping, tumbleweed blows by)
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
With all due respect to
July 13, 2008 - 09:25 ET by Cureboy675With all due respect to your crickets and your tumbleweed. You lay down some blanket statement like the great majority on the left are vile and disgusting when it comes to relaying their sentiments, and then you simply say "Prove me wrong".
What would you have me do? Track down 100 well-written and though out dissertations by the left? Because I could do it. The only thing that will prove is that I know how to use a search engine. And then we know what's going to happen. You are going to counter with 100 dissertations that were written by the uninformed and the angry. The only thing that will prove is that you are also capable of using a search engine. Am I wrong?
If I honestly thought that would be anything but a vain effort, I would gladly do it. But when you have it stuck in your head that 62% of liberals are mentally ill (By the way, where on God's green acres did you come up with that little tidbit?) I see little point in wasting my time in such a manner.
I believe you claimed
July 13, 2008 - 09:41 ET by general companyI believe you claimed that the Right was just as foul as the Left. You have not proved that, but continue to state it as fact. Your wrong, BTW I think the 62%, is the percentage of all liberals that are in counseling. Are you?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
You're right. But you
July 13, 2008 - 09:51 ET by Cureboy675You're right. But you didn't mention what else I said. I also said I was fully prepared to repost all the vile comments I found when Ted Kennedy was diagnosed with his brain tumor. But I added that I really didn't have interest in turning this into a game where we search for the most disgusting comments and then tabulate a score to see who found more. If you really insist that I play that game, I guess I could do it.
And I could easily lie and say that I have never been in counseling. But I won't. I had a lot of issues in my teenage years and am I still on medication to this very day to control it. If you want to have your way with that, go right ahead. Heck, you could even use me as your new statistic and say that 100% of liberals are mentally ill.
If you want to have
July 13, 2008 - 10:06 ET by general companyIf you want to have your way with that, go right ahead.
I would not do that, maybe now you will realize why some of us get a bit perturbed about your comparisons. You have accused others of making broad statements while ignoring your own. BTW when someone points out your hypocrisy, it isn't the same thing as the hate filled BS we get from the left, on all topics.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
What broad statement did I
July 13, 2008 - 11:02 ET by Cureboy675What broad statement did I make? I said that there were some conservatives that were just as capable of being cruel and cold-blooded as some liberals. Are you saying you disagree with that statement? And I certainly never suggested that most or nearly all of conservatives were like that.
On the other hand we have people saying something like "the overwhelming majority" or "the great majority" of the left are vile, disgusting inhumane, etc, etc. And I'm saying I do disagree with that statement.
I said that there were some
July 13, 2008 - 11:15 ET by Free StinkerI said that there were some conservatives that were just as capable of being cruel and cold-blooded as some liberals.
Please see Shawn's Comment below.
Conservatives like that exist, but you won't see them here.
I did see Shawn's comment
July 13, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Cureboy675I did see Shawn's comment and I responded to it. I have seen Conservatives like that here. But it is extremely rare. And if this were an argument solely about Newsbusters, I would whole-heartedly agree. Nearly all the people on this particular board are very decent and respectful. But I won't say the same applies to the rest of the vast internet.
Cure I never said that
July 13, 2008 - 12:42 ET by BlazerCure I never said that there weren't cruel conservatives out there, there have certainly been some here and at other conservative sites but it's a very very small percentage. Off-color comments are not put up with here by the masthead or the members of this site or most other conservative oriented sites. Disgusting comments are deleted and the members banned. That type of behavoir however is not only encouraged by most leftist sites but alot of the admins. join in on it.
What I said is an "overwhelming majority" of members of liberal oriented sites are "vile and disgusting" and filled with hate, thats not a "broad statement" its simply fact. Sorry you cant' handle that.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I'd like to know what makes
July 13, 2008 - 14:42 ET by Cureboy675I'd like to know what makes it a fact. Just because you say its true? I've got news for you: Your opinion does not always equal fact. If you want to say something like "In my opinion, the overwhelming majority and blah blah blah", I'll roll my eyes, mumble something to myself about how I disagree and we'd be done with it.
But to state it as fact. You can't possibly do that in any realistic manner. How would you judge such a thing? By finding statements that you yourself find disgusting. That is an opinion. I honestly don't give a damn what you personally think. But I'll not support your notion that your own personal views and beliefs are undeniable facts.
All you have to do cure is
July 13, 2008 - 15:04 ET by BlazerAll you have to do cure is venture over to any liberal site when something bad befalls a conservative, from Cheneys heart problems and the attempt made on his life in Afghanistan, to the church shootings in Colorado, or the recent death of Jesse Helms, it goes on and on and on. When not openly jumping for joy over a conservatives recent passing they are either wishing for it, or calling for it.
There is definitive debauchery and a sickness going on, on the left that only mental illness can explain.
Like I said it's a fact, the majority of members and sites on the left are filled hate, profanity and vitriol and are without class. Very few members and sites exist like that on the right.
I am no way insinuating that you are one of them, I have not seen you act that way on here, but then again I didn't see you or any other liberal on here posting any sentiments for Mr. Snow, not for his politics but for the family man and humanitarian and human being he was.
Instead of spending so much time in our house some of you guys may want to go clean up yours first, just sayin'.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
"Instead of spending so
July 13, 2008 - 15:41 ET by shawn228"Instead of spending so much time in our house some of you guys may want to go clean up yours first, just sayin' "
Too many dirty used needles and emply granola bars to clean up there ;-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
............and Cheeto's.
July 13, 2008 - 15:45 ET by Blazer............and Cheeto's. : )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
speaking of munchies...
July 13, 2008 - 15:59 ET by shawn228.....that was one of the funniest comments I ever heard last week. What was it you said again? The Dems are going to be eating taco supremes and they will be using Howard Deans A$$ cheeks as the shell? LMAO
You right about the loonie liberals and they are filled with nothing but hate. I don't know the exact percentage, but many of the right hate the left with the same white burning hate.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Sure I detest the
July 13, 2008 - 16:53 ET by BlazerSure I detest the politics and ideaology of many but my white hot burning hate is reserved for a special few. At the same time I try and keep in mind that at the end of the day were all someones spouse, parent, child, or sibling and child of God and that goes deeper for me than any politics.
Now alot of us may think a lot of things we would not actually say or do, but when you start saying it, rationalizing and justifying it all the while getting patted on the back by the collective group, how long before the individual or the group start acting on it?
If you de-humanize an individual because of politics or ideaological differences, you can then compare them to something that people kill millions of everyday, like a cockroach or a rat, like Hitler compared to the Jews.
Remember Hitler was talking about killing millions a decade before he actually started doing it.
Now do me favor. I want you to take a good hard look at this post. I wouldn't give cure the pleasure of going over to the nutroots to post any proof, but were friends, so I did it especially for you. After that maybe you can tell me of any where on the right you have seen that level of hate and vitriol. Try not to get sick.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/13/83650/9395/592/550616
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer.....as I have said before.....I have never been to....
July 13, 2008 - 17:24 ET by BEGRUNTthose sites, until the death of Tony Snow. I'm at a loss for words to describe what I have been seeing. I cant believe a fellow human being could say such things about a man who has just passed. No matter his politics. These people are truly psychotic, mentally ill. My feeling is that they would never say that crap in public, because they would be shunned. They are cowards hiding behind a screen name, but what comes out is how they REALLY feel, and that is as disturbing as hell.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Yep BEGRUNT, it's very
July 13, 2008 - 17:38 ET by BlazerYep BEGRUNT, it's very dis-heartening as well. But try and keep in mind that the nutroots are for the most part far-left and in no way represent most decent liberals.
Most liberals I know are decent hard working people that share most of the same values we do, I know because my parents and the majority of my family are liberals from the Northeast.
Although the majority of the posters and sites on the left are filled with alot of hate I didn't mean to imply that was how most liberals are, I believe those places are dominated by the fringe.
We have some liberals that post here, some who I like and respect very much, that in my opinion represent the vast majority of the left.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer, thank you for
July 13, 2008 - 17:44 ET by Cureboy675Blazer, thank you for saying that. I think I might have misunderstood what you were saying. Some liberals might very well be more apt to say vicious things in the privacy of their own home on their laptops when they don't have to look somebody in the eye and see the disgusted reaction.
I was under the impression you were suggesting nearly all liberals genuinely felt that way. And that was why I got so upset.
I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
No need to apogise I
July 13, 2008 - 17:53 ET by BlazerNo need to apogise I should have made my point a little more clear from the beginning.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I agree Blazer.......
July 13, 2008 - 17:52 ET by BEGRUNTmost of the liberals I know are decent people, as are some here, with a couple of exceptions, but by and large are good folks who I enjoy engaging in spirited debates..We sometimes get a drive by troll that exhibits signs of the mental instability of the lefty sites. But most of our liberal friends here are good people. That is why I have never gone to the other sites, I dont like that garbage, and NB is my home, and always will be.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Hi Begrunt... Not to butt
July 13, 2008 - 17:56 ET by bigtimerHi Begrunt...
Not to butt in here...but...lol...
I can't believe you've never read these critters hate-filled vitriol when something happens to a conservative....
Like I posted yesterday somewhere, first thing I did when I heard about Tony was shed a tear or five thousand, then said a prayer, then thought of this site, then thought of what the leftist sites would be saying, promising myself I wasn't going to even link there, and I didn't until Noel made an update later in the evening here that I saw, well I looked, read, got angry, commented/posted ect...
...they are pathetic little creatures of the devils work in my opinion.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt....you know, I just never did.....maybe on a rare occasion...
July 13, 2008 - 18:16 ET by BEGRUNTbut i was completly turned off each time, so I stayed away. It wasn't until Tony Snow that I really took a hard look at those sites..........I now know why I really never looked at them, nor will I again.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Yeah Blazer
July 13, 2008 - 18:14 ET by shawn228I agree, those were pretty disgusting comments. Here is a few I found, but not quite as bad as the kosers
this link
"karma at its best.. bet that little girl he left to die in the water
finally feels her life wasnt in vain.. he had many years to show MA
just what a loser he is.. hes a crook and a murderer who left a young
woman to die to.. he got what he deserved!!"
I only searched for a about 10 minutes, although I feel there is just as much hate on the right as there is on the left, when it comes to when people pass on or have a disease. conservative posters are a lot more respectful.
Its also nice that you and I can have a civil discussion without getting in a pi$$ing match.:-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Not a fan of Savage, I
July 13, 2008 - 18:26 ET by BlazerNot a fan of Savage, I believe he's way over the top and that he doesn't really believe in what he says as much as he's carved a comfortable niche' out for himself. At any rate I believe he mostly preaches to the choir, and draws in the extremist element on our side.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
~
July 13, 2008 - 18:44 ET by Free StinkerI.think.that.when.the.comments.get.that.narrow
it.is.time.to.start.a.new.thread.
Just.sayin'
Exactly Blazer!
July 13, 2008 - 16:26 ET by Dee BunkThat's been my mantra. Cureboy is one of the respectful liberals from what I've seen so far, but even still, they have a lot more house cleaning to do with their own before they can nit pick here.
OK. You know what. I'm
July 13, 2008 - 16:51 ET by Cureboy675OK. You know what. I'm done with this conversation because you hit a little too close to home for me with the Colorado church shootings remark and I need to keep quiet or I'm really going to lose my cool.
David Works and I both worked for the same company and I personally worked with him on many projects. He is a great guy a true gentlemen. In case the name doesn't ring a bell, he was the one who was shot at that church and had his two daughters killed at that church.
And you're right. It disgusts me when people on the left take delight in the death of a Tony Snow or a Jesse Helms. And although you'll never believe me, nearly all the people I associate with would never be that cruel.
But you know what else makes me kind of ill? Using a tragedy like the church shooting or the death of a Senator or the death of an accomplished and respected man like Tony Snow to sit there and say, "Look how vile the others guys are. I mean, yeah, we can be vile too. But, you know, I think these other guys are worse and therefore we must be the compassionate ones".
Honestly, using somebody else's tragedy to your own advantage like that is, in my own personal opinion, just as disgraceful as making light of the tragedy. And again, that is my opinion. I am not about to claim any of this as fact.
But like I said, I really can't be calm about this conversation anymore so I have to go simmer down. Maybe I'll go have granola bars, whatever the hell that means.
Look I'm sorry you lost a
July 13, 2008 - 17:11 ET by BlazerLook I'm sorry you lost a friend in the church shooting, but that doesn't change the fact that what I said is true and you know it is. I wasn't sensationalizing the tragedy I was using it as some of the proof that you insisted I provide, and I had know way of knowing this was a personal tragedy for you, I will not bring it up again in the future where you are concerned.
Along with conservatives the left also doesn't particularly care for Christians. Now you and I both know how absurd that is because you certainly can be a liberal or a conservative Christian, but when the left saw "white" and "Christian" they automatically assumed they were conservatives and immediately unleashed a gleeful torrent of vitriol directed at them when the news broke.
Now with that said keep in mind this post and entire thread is based on the hate emanating from the left and you interjected yourself into this argument and I wont' apologise for that.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
No. I'm the one who is
July 13, 2008 - 17:38 ET by Cureboy675No. I'm the one who is sorry. I know you weren't intentionally trying to be vicious.
But can you understand how it infuriates me. To hear somebody saying that nearly everybody I associate with would take delight in something like that. Do you understand, if I was in earshot of somebody saying something like that (meaning taking delight like that), I would want to crack their skull. I know, not a very civilized or dignified response, but thats how I would feel.
I am, however, done with the "who is less evil" debate. Because, like I said, what kind of nobility is there in being the victor of that c