Renowned Environmentalist Calls Biofuels ‘Crime Against Humanity’

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By Noel Sheppard | November 6, 2007 - 20:49 ET

Another prestigious international figure spoke out against biofuels Tuesday actually calling their use and production a "crime against humanity."

Unfortunately, since this goes counter to solutions for manmade global warming espoused by folks like Al Gore, you likely didn't hear or read about it.

Though George Monbiot isn't a household name in the States, he is considered one of Britain's leading environmentalists, and is regularly quoted by warm-mongers to advance climate hysteria.

Yet, despite his irrational disdain for carbon dioxide, Monbiot has long campaigned against the use of biofuels, a position quite diametric to Gore and other noted American climate alarmists.

With that in mind, Tuesday's article in the British Guardian contained Monbiot's harshest criticisms to date for this supposedly eco-friendly source of energy that global warming obsessed media in America dare not share with the citizenry (emphasis added throughout):

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It doesn't get madder than this. Swaziland is in the grip of a famine and receiving emergency food aid. Forty per cent of its people are facing acute food shortages. So what has the government decided to export? Biofuel made from one of its staple crops, cassava. The government has allocated several thousand hectares of farmland to ethanol production in the district of Lavumisa, which happens to be the place worst hit by drought. It would surely be quicker and more humane to refine the Swazi people and put them in our tanks.

Those familiar with Monbiot know that he has quite a flare for the dramatic:

The cost of rice has risen by 20% over the past year, maize by 50%, wheat by 100%. Biofuels aren't entirely to blame - by taking land out of food production they exacerbate the effects of bad harvests and rising demand - but almost all the major agencies are now warning against expansion. And almost all the major governments are ignoring them.

In reality, Monbiot's explanation for this ignorance - governments yielding to pressure from the automobile lobby and big business for example - has little relevance in America, and is really just your garden variety environmentalist delusion.

After all, our unfortunate love affair with ethanol is almost exclusively a legislative overreaction to rising oil and gas prices, and the errant belief that biofuel was the panacea. Now that global warming alarmism has taken center stage thanks to Hurricane Katrina and Nobel Laureate Al Gore, nobody in Congress would dare step onto the floor of the Senate or the House of Representatives admitting that this was all a huge mistake.

Similarly, in other parts of the developed world foolishly beholden to the Kyoto Protocol, governments that have sold their souls to biofuels as part of the carbon dioxide solution can't go back on this now for fear of looking incompetent to their constituents.

As such, media are typically uncomfortable bringing this charade from outside the curtain, as it is far better to keep this cat in the bag if one wants to continue to use global warming as a political issue.

Yet, such conventions don't seem to govern Monbiot as he actually cited information about this biofuel canard that few who don't read NewsBusters are aware of:

If you count only the immediate carbon costs of planting and processing biofuels, they appear to reduce greenhouse gases. When you look at the total impacts, you find they cause more warming than petroleum.

A recent study by the Nobel laureate Paul Crutzen shows that the official estimates have ignored the contribution of nitrogen fertilisers. They generate a greenhouse gas - nitrous oxide - that is 296 times as powerful as CO2. These emissions alone ensure that ethanol from maize causes between 0.9 and 1.5 times as much warming as petrol, while rapeseed oil (the source of more than 80% of the world's biodiesel) generates 1-1.7 times the impact of diesel. This is before you account for the changes in land use.

A paper published in the journal Science three months ago suggests that protecting uncultivated land saves, over 30 years, between two and nine times the carbon emissions you might avoid by ploughing it and planting biofuels. Last year the research group LMC International estimated that if the British and European target of a 5% contribution from biofuels were to be adopted by the rest of the world, the global acreage of cultivated land would expand by 15%. That means the end of most tropical forests. It might also cause runaway climate change.

Imagine that: an environmentalist suggesting that the use of biofuels might cause runaway climate change. Not something you expect NBC to report during its "Green is Universal" campaign, is it?

Of course, NBC also wouldn't want its viewers to read Monbiot's startling conclusion:

If the governments promoting biofuels do not reverse their policies, the humanitarian impact will be greater than that of the Iraq war. Millions will be displaced, hundreds of millions more could go hungry. This crime against humanity is a complex one, but that neither lessens nor excuses it. If people starve because of biofuels, Ruth Kelly and her peers will have killed them. Like all such crimes, it is perpetrated by cowards, attacking the weak to avoid confronting the strong.

As amazing as it might seem, I largely agree with Monbiot's assessment; where we part company is in who are the cowards, who are the weak, and who are the strong.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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I commented on this

I commented on this yesterday in another thread, asking what would happen to the price of corn when a lot of it was being used for fuel instead of food. And all the additional land we would have to devote to farming, maybe at the expense of forests, whose trees help to clean the air!

Do-gooders never think past their original intent. They never think about the "law of unintended consequences." They use "magical thinking" and are always surprised when things don't work out the way they thought they would.

When you look at the total impacts, you find they [biofuels] cause more warming than petroleum.

I bet they didn't see that coming.

Another post with incorrect information

Respectfully, corn and soybeans GROW ONLY IN CERTAIN REGIONS. You can not put them into forest lands as those lands are either arid, too cool or too swampy.

The only loss of agriculture land is from building house on it for ever expanding cities.

Agriculture is finite in there is not more land to be expanded to and production is exactly what it is. Food product is left after starch and oil is removed for bio fuels.
So unless corn starch for pudding goes up which it is not.....there is not a corn shortage no more than there is a soybean shortage as roundup soybeans are not used for human consumption, but meal is used for stock feed in most of the oriental markets and not America.

People need to become educated on this and stop the non sense of posting on subjects of pricing which is economics, agriculture which a vast field and commodity pricing which is all run by the cartels.

People do not eat commercial farmed soybeans or corn which is yellow dent hybrid. All that is being done now is taking a product not before used and utilizing it.

As far as blaming bio fuels for more "warming" which IS SUN RELATED, the cartels put out that information TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OIL DRILLING, TANKER TRANSPORTATION, REFINING and every drop of oil even in grinding bread to arrive at that false figure.

It is like saying Peyton Manning costs the Colts 800 trillion dollars to play football, because the NFL factors in every stadium, every television set and ever power plant making electricity.

That is complete nonsense but that is what the "more warming" numbers are based upon.

 

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It is wrong that in a world

It is wrong that in a world where people go hungry, we are contemplating turning food into fuel. What is worse is that it is all being done on the basis of shaky science and political correctness, rather than based in solid facts and reality.

Even if one supposes that human caused global warming is entirely true and that CO2 from combustion of all types is the cause, the truth is there is nothing we can do about it other than live with the consequences.

To balance the CO2 equation means only burning the amount of fuel (of any kind that burns) that exactly equals the amount of CO2 that plant life can extract from the atmosphere in the same period of time, less the allowance for all animal life that exhales CO2 and all natural sources from fires to volcanos.

The greatest majority of energy produced and harnessed by man comes from burning of a carbon-containing fuel. To put that back into balance of say, 1000 years ago, means living with a limited number of campfires, or their equivalent, as the sole source of energy for people and industry.  

The elimination of manmade CO2 simply cannot be done and maintain the industrial lifestyle we humans have built and enjoy to our great benefit today.  

 

Hopefully FOR THE LAST TIME

Hopefully for the last time Mr. Sheppard this is going to have to be reposted by me as I have done this before as have other bloggers here correcting the absolute lies that bio fuels USE FOOD AND PEOPLE GO HUNGRY FROM IT.

None of this was an issue when people are gobbling Wesson, Crisco etc... corn oils, because ONLY OIL AND STARCH ARE REMOVED FROM CORN, RAPE and SOYBEANS during the fuel process or cooking oil process AND THE FOOD VALUE IS LEFT TO USE.

IN FACT, the food product left after steaming, pressing or fermenting IS MORE DIGESTABLE for people or animals.

FOR THE RECORD to refute the English twit complaining about bio fuels are these facts:

America FUNDS the world food program WHICH COMMUNISTS and LEFTISTS USE to extricate "favors" in blackmail from poor countries.

Starving people are created by communist states whose land grabs and continuous wars against the populations do not allow gardening or farming..........

SO THE EUROPEAN ELITE gain market share of American grain, spike prices, RESELL IT to those bleeding heart UN programs and make billions.

It is beyond explainable how there is not a continuous disclaimer on this site exposing all of this so that bloggers who are ignorant of economics, agriculture and how the globalists jack food prices AND USE THE HUNGER THREAT TO KEEP AMERICA ENSLAVED ON HIGH PRICED OPEC OIL which the cartels set the price on.

All of the above is public information and available in research. This is manipulation by the globalist cartel and without educating the bloggers who use this site.......this site is only fomenting more disinformation.
With all due respect as I respect this site and all of the work the editors do, but apparently there must be a running disclaimer as no one is reading the information.

 

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What are you smoking? Use

What are you smoking?

Use of Corn to make ethanol most certainly renders the corn unfit for use in human food stuffs.  No one, not even hungry people, will use leftover fermentation mash for human food.  It can still be made into animal fodder such as swill and poultry feed, but even in these capacities, a portion of its food value was depleted by the conversion of its starches and sugars to ethanol by yeast.

Where do you get these lame ideas of yours from?  This is the real world.  There are physical laws that apply here, like conservation of matter, conservation of energy, the second law of thermodynamics, etc.   What you propose as fact violates these most basic principles.  It is simply false.

Hey NL

what's a calorie?  and how do they relate to food and fuel?

GoHunter08

Capitalism tells all

Capitalism tells all eco-nazis: "DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

btw: http://environment.n...

let's put recycling our plastic bottles to good use.

I'll also be damned if I eat something that was first INTENDED for automobile consumption. Feel free to eat my biofuel corn. That is, unless you're a hypocrite. Prove that biofuel waste is still edible by setting an example and trying some yourself. Corn is meant to be eaten, petroleum is meant to combusted, not the other way around.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

A calorie is something

A calorie is something Rosie O'Donnell has had way too many of.

In MKS, a Calorie is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water 1 degree Celsius.

The relationship between food and fuel ought be be obvious just from that.

If food stuffs are fermented to produce alcohol, that means the starches in the food have been converted into sugars that yeast used for food in an anaerobic environment.  Yeast metabolism in an aerobic environment produces acetic acid [vinegar] as a waste product instead of ethanol, and nobody wants that except for salad dressing.

When the yeast "eat" carbohydrates, they are no longer carbohydrates.  They are no longer available as starches.    They are made into energy + ethanol + waste products.  The energy is consumed by the yeast cells to live.  the food value of the mash prior to fermentation is greater than after.  If this were not so, then the yeast would have created the energy they lived upon out of nothing, an impossibility.   It is a consequence of the 2nd Law of Thermo that all processes that procduce energy must increase the total entropy of the system. i.e., reduce its order.  The yeast consumed energy.  Therefore, the system, that is the ethanol, mash and waste products must have greater entropy afterwards and by implication, less total stored energy.

The process of creating the alcohol fuel consumes part of the food value of the corn used as food for the yeast.  The calorie content of the consumed food is greater than the calorie content of the resulting fuel and waste products.

so NL

you, I, and Billy Preston agree "Nothin from nothin leaves nothin"

but yes to the point; when we use food for for fuel we remove most of the energy producing capacity from the food.

GoHunter08

In MKS, a Calorie is the


In MKS, a Calorie is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water 1 degree Celsius. -
nl207

Correction, nl: it is one gram of water, not one kilogram.

 

Get your units

Get your units straight.

In MKS, Meter-Kilogram-Second ....  nothing is measured in grams.  CGS, centimeter-gram-second uses grams.  A Calorie in MKS is a kilocalorie in CGS.   A lot of people spell the MKS unit 'Kalorie' or abbreviate it KCal in order to distinguish it from the CGS unit of the same name.  That is why I designated the MKS unit system.  This is the same discussion as ergs (CGS) vs. joules (MKS) for units of energy.

The 'calorie' that dieters count is the CGS unit.  Most physicists work with the MKS unit.

NL I need to point our.

NL I need to point our. That waste product, produced when the yeast eats sugars, includes a lot of CO2.

And what do they claim CO2 is causing? So bio fuels are producing the very molecule that they claim is the problem in fossil fuels. Except here it's produced twice. Once in the fermentation process and again when the fuel is burned.

They call it pollution. Will they be held to the same standards as the oil industry? 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

And the waste product of

And the waste product of these biofuels clowns is a lot of hot air.

The lying bastards all have an agenda of one sort or another and none of them tell the public the truth about the economics and waste products of their schemes.

Look, LC, I did not say

Look, LC, I did not say that there would be a shortage of corn; I said the price might go up.

Farmland may be finite, but there is a lot of it that is currently not being used. As for forests vs. farmland, how do you explain Brazilians chopping down the rain forests to raise grain for cattle?

ONLY OIL AND STARCH ARE REMOVED FROM CORN, RAPE and SOYBEANS during the
fuel process or cooking oil process

and we are welcome to use what is left? Um, exactly what IS left, that you classify as "food value": it certainly isn't anything I would want to eat. Are you seriously saying that we should eat what is left after the corn is processed for fuel?


All of the above is public information and available in research.

So is "information" that there was a second "grassy knoll" shooter in Dallas the day Kennedy was shot, and that Bill Clinton imported drugs through the Mena airport in Arkansas, and any number of other "theories." Whether they are true is not dependent on whether the information is "available through research." I'm not saying your info is wrong, (I'm not a scientist, so I don't know). I'm saying that because the information you cited is available through research doesn't necessarily make it true. There are a lot of conflicting theories out there about a lot of things; to choose one that one believes, and declare everyone who doesn't as ignorant and uninformed, is solipsistic.

 

Let me expand on one of your

Let me expand on one of your points -its not just that a lot of farmland is going unused, its a fact that many governments, including the US government pay farmers not to plant!

The truth is there is no shortage of food on the planet. While I'll grant that there may be local shortages, the issue globally is not a lack of food, the issue is that many people can't pay anything for food, much less the actual cost of production. 

Maybe some of you remember the news stories from decades ago (before the set-aside programs) when corn and soybeans were being left in piles on the ground and rotting because there was no more storage spaces and they were all but giving it away for free. There were still the stories of people starving, because starving people don't have the means to pay for the food to be shipped to them. 

Although I have serious questions about the feasibility of ethanol as a fuel, the increase in food price simply reflects a market dynamic whereby there may be a use for those crops that actually will bring in more money than it costs to grow them (without subsidies). Is that necessarily a bad thing?

"Um, exactly what IS left,

"Um, exactly what IS left, that you classify as "food value""

I mention this farther down, but what is left is primarily protein and it can be fed to livestock in place of other protein supplements (that's what puts the meat on the bone). Keep in mind, the bulk of corn production in the country goes to livestock feed, so done properly there isn't much loss at all.

}}---> No surprise here

If anything it took longer than I expected for the 3rd world to accuse us of putting their food into our gas tanks.

Throughout the globe we ensure the continued overpopulation of geographical regions unable to support a significant human mass.

Lame Cherry is certainly Lame

Look. Coming from someone who is a amateur wine-maker and who comes from a long line of moonshine makers, I will break this all down nice and simple for people like Lame Cherry.

Ethanol is a distilled alcohol. In fact, it is pretty much Whiskey - both are usually made from corn mash (though I can't 100% vouch for this regarding biofuel, the process is still the same). So, below is the basic outline of how ethanol (or any other consumable alcohol is made):

1. Fermentation. You take the sugar/starch-based product (in this case, corn) and mush it up with a bunch of yeast. You let that ferment until the yeast dies. QUESTION #1: Is dead yeast and bits of starchless corn a nutritionally valuable and consumable product?

2. Distillation. After fermentation, you take the mash (the fermented corn) and boil it so that the alcohol vaporizes and then condenses, effectively separating it from the mash. QUESTION #2: Is dead yeast, bits of starchless corn, boiled to bits a nutritionally valuable and consumable product?

3. Application. Whether you pour the alcohol into your gas tank or into your mouth, it is pretty much the same product. A "bio" vehicle is just modified to consume alcohol more efficiently than a regular engine.

Now, after presenting the glaring and basic facts of ethanol production, can anyone here stand up and claim that the remnants of said production are fit - or even recommended - for human consumption?

Lame Cherry: You certainly seem to demonstrate the naivete of someone who believes everything s/he reads on the internet.

Go ahead, people. Flame away. But be sure you know what the hell you're talking about first.

And Another Thing

Lame Cherry, you claim that making vegetable oil and bio-fuel both leave the basic food intact (perhaps in your own words, though). This is so erroneous, it is without any merit whatsoever.

In my previous comment, I posted how ethanol is made. If I want to make soybean oil, or veggie oil, or any other oil, all I have to do is squish the crap out of the food. Or blend it and process it by weight.

These two process are completely and mutually exlusive. Removing the oil removes the starch. Making alcohol removes the starch. I can't get alcohol from corn which has been "oiled" and I can't get oil from corn which has been distilled.

When making oil, you still have a viable source of barely nutritional food product. And even then, one would only use it for animal food or McDonalds. When making ethanol, you only have a viable source of product worthy of landfill.

Why did you think you would

Why did you think you would get flamed? I, for one appreciate your description of the process. I knew I wouldn't want to eat what was left after making fuel. You just made it plainer why.

I don't think anyone except Lame Cherry is advocating that we eat the garbage left over after fuel production. 

"a nutritionally valuable

"a nutritionally valuable and consumable product?"

For a cow, yes! What's left over is high in protein, which makes a great feed supplement for livestock. Considering that's where a huge fraction of that corn is being used for anyway, the "food loss" isn't what many would think.

His name...

Is where the term "Moonbat" was derived (originally, IIRC, on the libertarian Samizdata blog).
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

?????? Please

??????

Please elaborate.......

The originator of "moonbat" denies a Monbiot connection

motherbelt, it's an assertion often made, but....

Perry DeHaviland of Samizdata, the originator of the word, denies the word was a play on Monbiot's name.  He also says the original term was "barking moonbat" (still occasionally used) and was intended to be politically neutral.  However, it was quickly taken over by the right to describe wackos on the left.

Heck, why don't we just

Heck, why don't we just forget biofuel, throw all the environmentalist fruitcakes and other "experts" into internment camps, and drill for our own oil offshore and in Alaska!

 We can feed the nutritional left-over from ethanol and vegetable oil production to them.

I`m happy you`re pushing this; biofuels mandates are a scam -

Our own love affair with ethanol has of course been packaged and sold to us by politicians and lobbyists as a "green" alternative to rising oil and gas prices and to "oil security", but this is a scam to take money from taxpayers to benefit ADM and other big corporations.

To the extent enviros have backed mandates for ethanol here, they deserve criticism, but for being played by AGM and others.

This is apparently also the case in the EU, where the biofuel mandates were designed in part specifically to benefit domestic agriculture and biofuels interests (and were opposed by environmentalists).
http://findarticles....
http://www.catf.us/p...

Accordingly, your assertion that "Monbiot's explanation for this ignorance - governments yielding to pressure from the automobile lobby and big business for example - has little relevance in America, and is really just your garden variety environmentalist delusion" is puzzlingly uninformed. Why deny that big business is behind this scam, abetted by politicians?

Also. Monbiot is perfectly correct to be criticizing the UK government for spending money on road-building programs. I believe that the government plans very poorly and should get out of road-building and leave these projects entirely up to the private marketplace.

Finally, it is worht noting another point raised by Monbiot relating to biofuels in developing countries - a number of projects apparently based on government theft of land from local farmers or other owners. This violation of property rights should of course be condemned.

I hope that we will get US politicians to stop backing this boondogle. I know Ron Paul doesn`t approve.

BTW, CNN, NPR and TruthOut have all given recent coverage to Monbiot on the biofuels issue:

http://edition.cnn.c...
http://www.npr.org/t...
http://www.truthout....

Sincerely, BS

Pres. George Bush: "Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people."

Unfortunately, any time

Unfortunately, any time where subsidies are involved, it in all probability is a scam.  Why should we paying subsidies for anything, it just amounts to corporate welfare?  Welfare is bad no matter if it is to an individual or a company, no good comes of it.  I suppose there is a legitimate government interest to invest in R&D where it clearly will benefit the country, but not at the point of simply making someone rich.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

Doesn`t Noel see that biofuel subsidies are obvious corporate

scams? A laser focus on these rent-seeking corporations and their politician enablers is needed.

I`m afraid much government research funding is more of the same.

That various people (not enviros) are further using the AGW bandwagon to push government theft are arguments to keep government out of AGW subsidies - not an argument that AGW isn`t a real concern.

We`d be better off if we simply taxed carobon in exchange for cutting income/payroll taxes. Substituting consumption for income taxes is something conservatives have pushed for a long time - and would be the most hands-off policy.

Pres. George Bush: "Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people."

A carbon tax is regressive

A carbon tax is regressive against the poor, it would be better to tax excessive consumption to encourage people of means to get off the electric grid and stop using private jets instead of commercial aircraft like the rest of us.  Al Gore and his rich celeb buddies have the means to afford solar panels and electric cars.  After all they are most aggregious wasteful users of energy.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

The real solution to Global Warming

I think everyone's missing the point here.  Rather than tax people into oblivion, rather than blame ourselves, rather than try to stop the inevitable changes in climate, why don't we encourage economic growth around the world so we humans can ADAPT to climate change?  That would be a win-win.  And that's what the animals would do - adapt or die.  You don't see animals changing their lifestyles out of guilt for what they do to the environment.

Conservatives need to stop accepting ANY premise put forth by the GW religious zealots.  We need to put forth our own premise:  economic growth is the solution to global warming.

Forget 911, I dial 9MM.

I view this a little

I view this a little differently fossten, I agree that the tendency of government bureaucrats is to offer taxes and programs as the solution to most problems.  In this case we have an overriding interest, National Security.  The fact that the very governments profitting from the sale of oil are also major contributors to terrorism presents a unique problem.  We can solve this problem in different ways as I see it, 1. invade and set up a puppet government or 2. stop using their product.  I have no interest in wasting American lives invading every oil producer and setting up new governments that will act responsibly. 

Option 2 being the more reasonable approach to stop using their product, after all they can't force us to use it.  This would require us to go coal & nuclear power for electric generation, would require the change over to the electric car, develop coal to oil conversion for diesel engines and further develop our domestic oil & gas drilling programs.  This approach would be a boon to our economy.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

Taken at face value. If the

Taken at face value. If the warmers were right. (Which they aren't.) We should invade China and India and force them to stop their evil growth. Then destroy our own industries.

But it isn't real. That's why you have the stupid concept of carbon taxes. It does nothing but take money from others. Brought to you by the good people who gave us food for oil.

This is not about the environment. It a sham. It's about power and money. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Carbon Tax

dan,

I am over it.  Totally.  Truly.  Over it.

These idiots will tax anything they can think of.  It's a sham of the first order.  Carbon Tax?  Why don't we just tax breathing instead?  Seriously.

I saw a clip tonite about Popeye & Ahnold paying for "carbon credits" when they fly.  What crap.

These warmers are too stupid for words.  Truly.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

dscott, I don`t favor any taxes, much less regressive ones,

but like most conservatives I have always preferred consumption taxes over income taxes, which dampen investment by double-taxing investment income.

If a carbon tax were to be fully rebated to citizens by way of payroll tax reductions and income tax rebates, it would not hit the poor while still providing them with incentives to reduce CO2 emissions.

Carbon tax substitution presents opportunities for those who wish to lessen the negative effects created by income taxes and would strengthen our economy.

Pres. George Bush: "Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people."

Hello!

Why not just reduce income taxes? Since man-made global warming is unproven a Carbon Tax would be absurd.

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

Carbon tax substitution

Carbon tax substitution presents opportunities for those who wish to lessen the negative effects created by income taxes and would strengthen our economy.

However, what you are proposing is needlessly complicating the tax code, specifically the Income Tax with more deductions and credits and impacts the middle class.  The benefit of taxing excessive consumption at its source which is the root cause of our problems, would be to directly give the excessive energy user (mostly the wealthy like Al Gore) the choice of paying the tax or avoiding it by installing solar panels.  We want them to avoid the tax!  The direct result would be to lower energy prices for the poor and middle class across the board because more energy will be available and directly spur the solar panel installation industry creating millions of jobs. 

Historically, all standard of living improvements have been initiated by the wealthy who were willing to pay the upfront costs of development.  Making the wealthy get off the electric grid forces them to pay the upfront first investment costs which then lowers the manufacturing cost for those who come after.  That's the price of being the first to do something.  You might claim this is unfair, however, the fact is every new consumer product that was adopted by the middle class first started out as the expensive play thing of the rich.  Cars, TVs, DVDs, VCRs, indoor plumbing, etc. all of them were at one point only expensive luxuries of the rich.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

dscott, I am very interested in what you have to say -

Can you clarify what you mean by taxing excessive consumption at its source, how we would go about doing that, and why we should not match the tax revenues with tax decreases? I am not at all in favor of increasing the flow of tax revenues to the national government

Pres. George Bush: Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people.

I have floated this before:

I have floated this before: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/03/gore_and_excess_energy_comsump.html

Obviously such an idea could be used just as a revenue raising means, however, there is no reason why the revenue garnered here could not be used to offset/reduce some other tax like gasoline or be earmarked for only a certain use like DARPA's research into alternative energy.

The biggest feature however is the tax is voluntary!  The excessive users of energy like Al Gore can avoid paying the tax by properly investing the money in solar panels or wind or energy efficiency improvements or changing their lifestyle or even just paying which would be directly reflected in their demand upon the energy grid (electric & natural gas).  The Utilities already collect taxes via the monthly bill, they would simply collect money from those who vastly exceed the normal average consumer by a factor of 2 or 3.  Furthermore, the nonsense of calling money wasting programs "investments" is kicked to the curb by people like Al Gore having to do "real investments" to not pay the tax instead of the usual gaming of the system in which the rest of us get stuck with the bill.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

dscott, your energy tax proposal is interesting, but

narrowly focusses only on retail energy users and not corporations. Why?

It seems that a carbon tax that replaces the income tax would be better.

Pres. George Bush: Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people.

blindy

what part of taxing corporations do you most admire?  Is it where the tax is merely passed on to the consumers with some extra charges to cover the expense of tracking thus putting a greater burden on the poorer consumers.  Is it the part where the added expense leads to decreased sales and a slowing of the economy.  Which do you prefer or is it both? 

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

btog has hit the mark,

btog has hit the mark, taxing a business is counterproductive as it will only pass on that added expense to consumers.  Businesses in order to make a profit naturally cut all possible expenses which includes energy, it is therefore unnecessary to include them.  On the other hand, the wealthy like Al Gore have demonstrated by their lifestyles that they thoughtlessly waste resources which are insignificant in proportion to their means.  The poor and middle class are not in the position to be wasteful of resources and that includes energy.  Would anyone here seriously entertain a $1,000/month electric bill and not immediately respond to cut back or get off the grid?  The bottom line here is given the limited supply of energy any reduction of consumption by the wealthy will immediately be felt in a reduction in price.  Remember, it is Al Gore and the wealthy who use half of all residential electricity, an amount btw that is virtually equal to the entire electrical output of India!  Such is the scale of their wanton lavish lifestyles and they are the ones demanding we and the rest of the world cut back just so they can continue to do so!  Why else are they buying carbon credits instead of cutting back?

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

Biofuel Myths

I never thought I would agree with Monboit!

Give me a break - Oil Prices (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)
Myth: Corn Ethanol is Great (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)

Alternative Fuels Comparison Chart (PDF) (Popular Mechanics)
Biofuels could lead to mass hunger deaths: U.N. envoy (Reuters)
Carbon Mitigation by Biofuels or by Saving and Restoring Forests? (Science)

QUOTE (Science)

The carbon sequestered by restoring forests is greater than the emissions avoided by the use of the liquid biofuels.

Ethanol And Biodiesel From Crops Not Worth The Energy (Science Daily)

QUOTE (Science Daily)

Turning
plants such as corn, soybeans and sunflowers into fuel uses much more
energy than the resulting ethanol or biodiesel generates, according to
a new Cornell University and University of California-Berkeley study.

Green fuels will save the earth - or not (Reuters)
Jane Goodall says biofuel crops hurt rain forests (Reuters)
OECD warns against biofuels subsidies (Financial Times, UK)
Rapeseed biofuel ‘produces more greenhouse gas than oil or petrol’ (Times Online, UK)
The Role of Renewable Energy Consumption in the Nation’s Energy Supply, 2006 (Energy Information Administration)
Top scientist says biofuels are scam (Times Online, UK)

Biodiesel - Biodiesel Won't Drive Down Global Warming (Science Daily)

QUOTE (Science Daily)

EU
legislation to promote the uptake of biodiesel will not make any
difference to global warming, and could potentially result in greater
emissions of greenhouse gases than from conventional petroleum derived
diesel.

Biodiesel - Orang-utans home destroyed for bio-diesel (Telegraph.co.uk)

Ethanol - Brazil - The Myth of Brazil’s Ethanol Success (Energy Tribune)
Ethanol - Brazil - Brazil Ethanol Boom Belied by Diseased Lungs Among Cane Workers (Bloomberg)
Ethanol - Clearing the air on ethanol (Environmental Science and Technology)

QUOTE (Environmental Science and Technology)

New research predicts that E85 vehicle emissions could cause just as many deaths as gasoline, or more.

Ethanol - Ethanol Fuel From Corn Faulted As "Unsustainable Subsidized Food Burning" In Analysis By Cornell Scientist (Science Daily)
Ethanol - Ethanol: Myths and Realities (BusinessWeek)

QUOTE (BusinessWeek)

Ethanol
can't travel in pipelines along with gasoline, because it picks up
excess water and impurities. Also, ethanol contains less energy than
gas. That means drivers have to make more frequent trips to the pump.

Ethanol - Ethanol Production Threatens Plains States With Water Scarcity (Environmental News Service)
Ethanol - Fuel Comparison Chart (Community Fuels)

QUOTE

Diesel = 128,000-130,000 BTUs, Gasoline = 109,000-125,000 BTUs, Ethanol = 80,000 BTUs

Ethanol - Fuel Gauge Report: E85 BTU Adjusted Price (AAA)
Ethanol - Fuel Ethanol Cannot Alleviate U.S. Dependence On Petroleum (Science Daily)
Ethanol - Increase In Ethanol Production From Corn Could Significantly Harm Water Quality (Science Daily)
Ethanol - Study: Ethanol Production Consumes Six Units Of Energy To Produce Just One (Science Daily)
Ethanol - Study: Ethanol Won't Solve Energy Problems (USAToday)

QUOTE (USAToday)

Ethanol
is far from a cure-all for the nation's energy problems. It's not as
environmentally friendly as some supporters claim and would supply only
12 percent of U.S. motoring fuel even if every acre of corn were used
.

Ethanol - Test results: E85 vs. gasoline (Consumer Reports)
Ethanol - The Environmental Costs of Ethanol (National Center For Policy Abalysis)
Ethanol - The ethanol myth (Consumer Reports)

QUOTE (Consumer Reports)

E85, which is 85 percent ethanol, provides fewer miles per gallon, costs more, and is hard to find outside the Midwest.

Ethanol - The ethanol subsidy is worse than you can imagine (Slate Magazine)

 

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