Joe Wilson is already right. That incredulous look in Queen Nan's eyes during the "Equivocation to a Joint Session of Congress" was not because Wilson spoke up, or even because he challenged the President, it was because no one was supposed to know enough about the Bill to accurately point out the LIES Barry was spewing.
How can you stand it? I flipped on CSpan a couple times today and can't stomach the socialists pushing this nonsense as if it's some great savior, alongside their messiah president. It is absolutely sickening what we now have running the government of the greatest nation the world has ever known. The world would never know it, if all it has as its evidence, this idiotic bunch of socialist/marxist loving, morons, who know nothing of what our Constitution is and hate it nonetheless.
Govt of the people, by the people, and for the people? BS, show me evidence.
I haven't been able to watch congress much at all since O got in...and I have for a very long time....with both parties in power, but this has been hard to stomach and a hard habit to break...but I decided today I need to listen to much more from our side of the aisle to learn more like I used to of what all is in this bill and such....
I am glad I did so today...very much.
Then again, if an important game had been on I wanted to watch, it would be the game.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
I would love to hear an interview of Obama (sans teleprompter), where he is asked to discuss in detail the various parts of this Rube Goldberg nightmare. Does he have even an inkling of the gory details of this conglomeration that he let Pelosi put together?
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For me, he has always been too kind, I'd much rather see Pence in there as Speaker of the House someday...he has what it takes in my opinion, and a classy way to do it...with conviction.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Don't you wonder how these men react to being called to the woodshed by Pelosi? It's certainly appropriate for women to correct men, but to be chastised by Pelosi? OMG if it was my husband I wouldnt' be able to look at him as a man again.
Next Novemeber we will have an opportunity to remove these vermin. We should make the most of it.
It will take 112 seats in the house to gain a 2/3 majority. 40 are a gimmee. The rest we have to work for. The object of this exercise is far mor ethan repeal of this abomination. It is to impeach leftist Federal Judges or legislate away their Jurisdictions. It will take a 2/3 majority to purge the federal judiciary.
They're gonna pass this, but it doesn't really mean squat right now. The Senate isn't going to pass anything this year, and the Members and Senators will be going home over the holidays to a very vocal majority against the Dems "reform".
The Stupak ammendment, even if passed, will be omitted if the bill ever gets to conference. This whole thing tonite is largely symbolic.
This Bill isn't going to Barry tomorrow. Usually the House votes last, but in this case, Queen Nan wants the vote before too much damage is done from Tuesday's election. Yeah- it really doesn't mean much- at least that's my understanding from everything I've seen this week.
Normally there would only be one bill, and it would head to the Senate after the House votes. But in this case, the Senate has one of their own. So each chamber has to pass their own bills this time, then, iron out ONE bill which will then have to pass both chambers before going up to be signed by Kim Jong Il.
I can only imagine what Kim Jong Il told the "on the fence" Democrats today when he went to "meet" with them. Chicago politics at it's finest I'm sure, threats galore.
his campaign promises within one hour of being sworn in! I'll bet all those voters who believed he was a man of his word are feeling pretty poorly right about now!
To paraphrase Joe Wilson, YOU LIED, Representative Owens! What a great beginning of a political career! Doug Hoffman, start taking notes for 2010!!!!!!!
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Even if this junk pile passes the House, I take some hope that it might end up like those ridiculously complicated early flying machines (the ones with ten wings and twenty propellers) that folded up and collapsed immediately when they tried to make it go somewhere.
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What's amusing is even if Stupak's amendment passes there is no guarantee that it won't be stripped out in conference if it get's through the Senate bill.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
The consequences, unintentional and intentional, of this pile of crap will be sprung on us for years and years to come as the bureaucracies and courts all get a crack interpreting what the unexplainable mess "means". It's a nightmare "gift" that will keep on giving and giving. Can you even imagine the atrocities that the faceless liberal bureaucrats and judges will mine from this two thousand page steaming pile?
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I always read your comments with interest and know full well where you stand. Like I wrote originally, this may be so unwieldy and poisonous that it may die the death it deserves.
I just wanted to point out that whatever the written points that Congress may be debating (I'm in the office with no TV), the real bad stuff would come when the thing begins to be implemented and again when the courts start hearing the challenges to, say, anti-abortion or illegal alien language or amendments. Anything that is 2000 pages will be the devil's playground.
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I jotted down a few things I heard today that I didn't know were in this bill, it's simple amazing...trial lawyers are paid handsomely though...to cut to the chase..when I have more time later down the road I'll post about them too...this whole thing is nothing but a huge govt. take over of all of us in so many areas it isn't funny...a humongous head-ache for the rest of our lives.
Freedom is gone.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
If freedom really ever does go away, it should be noted that it was taken, not from the top - in one fell swoop - but from the bottom, in the endless stream of "little things" that added up and combined and grew...
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Besides the obvious ways OBamaCare mocks the Constitution and destroys our freedoms directly, what bothers me most about ObamaCare is that will provide our EVER-INCREASINGLY FASCISTIC government with a PRETEXT FOR CONTROLLING ANY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES in any way that can possibly impinge on one’s health. (These are my words not Rush Limbaugh’s, but I credit him for pointing this out, and I am sure that he is right about this.)
(I highly recommend to anyone, but especially those who frequent this board, Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism. It gives one a really clear account of how the Progressives first, and then the Liberals, are fundamentally Fascists, and have been promoting and pushing Fascism for a century. Since I have read it, I take every opportunity to make clear the connection. RINOs and suckers for Fascism.)
- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.
- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.
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Exactly, and what is more, by the time the dolts in this country finally noodle out just how unworkable this insanity truly is, the infrastructure of our health care system will be wrecked beyond repair.
As I said somewheres around here earlier, I would love to be a fly on the wall when some idiot who supports this lunacy is sitting in their doctor's office, and the doc is reading from a government printout and listing every food and beverage item the idiot has purchased over the previous ten years, and then tells the twerp that they will be denied care because of it.
Is Gerry Miller someone different than George Miller (the guy with the bushy mustache who I remember represented Contra Costa County)? George Miller was horrible enough... (and is he still around?)
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Ol' George must be gone by now - unless he became a vampire :). He was a super liberal/big union supporter as I recall - from my youth. Miller aside, it's amazing how these guys hang on year after year from the time we were young until...whenever. These guys must have access to some kind of longevity potion...
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Fox just had a report the other week about Congress only working 2 1/2 days a week. As much as I think they should work more, now I'm changing my mind...
The Dems are aware that this is political suicide for them, and yet they continue. Because they know full well once they get any social program in, it acts like crack for the users, the first hit is free, then they have you hooked.
I also know the Repubs are all up in arms over this. But dammit, they had their chance, they had their chance to never let this happen. Now they are saying, "just get us back in there in 2010, we've learned our lessons and we'll fix this mess". Bull twinkie. They'll continue to do the same damn thing they did from '96 on. All I know is, we are in a hell of a pickle and not sure what to do about it. I reckon we'll have to put Conservatives in, REAL Conservatives, and see where we'll go from there.
But I guarantee damn T you, if we put you back in, y'all had better get rid of ALL of this socialized crap! Every bit of it. It's getting pretty durn close to boiling over in this country. Maybe it is time for a cleaning. I am damn mad.
Same here Rex. It's beyond old. We have liberals and liberal-lite. I'm glad Republicans are against this crap, but you're exactly right about '96 and beyond. Jefferson said power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We've seen it on both sides. Now the Democrats are doing it, and they don't give a rats a** what Americans think. Americans don't even know what to think. Those who are all giddy about this crap of a healthcare bill, have no clue what they're giddy about. None. They'd support 9mm handguns to the temples of people who won't buy healthcare, if it was in the bill. Most are idiots, and those in Washington know it. Many Republicans against this crap have their names on all kinds of crap spending, now they suddenly want us to think they've always been conservative? BS. This is how this crap plays out. Elections in America are a freakin sporting event in the minds of most. It's all about who won. Well, the Constitution, and America itself, loses.
A) Completely stop sending any money to the RNC, RNCC, RNSC and any other roughly related Republican front (in various phone calls that I have received recently I have made this perfectly clear -- the effect on the caller is something to enjoy); and
B) Selectively support directly any candidate that Sarah Palin explicitly endorses.
Considering the amount of money involved, this will not make any more actual difference than my cession of eating hamburgers would affect Global warming. However, if it just so happens that a significant number of other genuine conservatives took a similar stance, I believe that it would make a real difference.
- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.
- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.
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I saw this on Michelle Malkin's blog, I hope it's o.k. to do this,
9:20am Eastern. 1minute speeches.
* Democrat Rep. Jackie Speier crows that Pelosicare will let
“children” stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 27. Yeah,
culture of entitlement!
I love my kids but if I'm doing my job by 27 they'll be on their own. The last thing I need is the government making it easier for them NOT to grow up.
He had some kind of grand plan...heard about it earlier, sounded kind of good to me from what I did hear, but anyway, if you googled it, bet you could find out what it was...obviously the other repubs didn't think it was such a great idea...lol.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
$250,000 fine or 5 yrs in jail...something like that.
America is gone if this ever goes all the way to the top...and there is plenty more inside that is infuriating....we will no longer be free as we all have know it.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
MUST keep trying now. I've called my congressman's office several times today...the response I get from staff is just as bad as the attitude of the congressman...Unbounded, unfettered, sheer ARROGANCE! I'll bet the switchboard has been 'humming' all day...I dial it continuously just to keep things lively ;-) Here are the numbers again if we have to endure another day of Pelosi breaking the knees (Chicago-style) of her reluctant Democrats.
I know I would NOT cave in to her demands...I sure hope there is a tad bit more manhood in those blue dogs than the rest of the liberal limp weenies! If they want to be re-elected, they had better listen to their constituents, not Pelosi!
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Conservatives raise the stakes in their bourgeois war on spending. With the help of some Blue 'dog' Democrats, Conservatives set out to dismantle the remaining criminal organizations that plague the DC Capitol. The partnership looks to be effective, but they soon find themselves prey to a reign of chaos unleashed by a rising smooth-talking mastermind known to the terrified citizens as....The Joker.
Well...this one is the big one...so far the repub party line is sticking together, 33 dems voting Nay...34, 35,36,...come on...just a few more.... uh-oh...seems to have stopped there with 10 more dems left to vote.
Dang it all anyway...must be twisting the arms now!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Pelosi looks pretty cute when she's smiling. Gad! Thinks of the horrible mess she is smiling about. We can barely imagine.
Maybe, like the election of BHO, this will prompt a backfire in time for 2010. I know my parents supported both of the senators from PA and won't do it again.
It's pronounced "Gow" but spelled Cao. He's the first Vietnamese-American Congressman from the New Orleans area - my district.
I had a feeling he'd do this. I have written him over and over about this issue fearing he would capitulate. His big issue has always been health care and he comes from a heavily Democratic/African American district.
Obviously, he wants to be re-elected and thinks this will make his Democrat constituents happy. He probably got a few extra bones from Nancy and Obama to take home too.
He's toast now. He's lost his conservative base and the African-American community will abandon him in 2010 in favor of any black candidate who opposes him. Obama and Pelosi will have no use for him either. What a sucker! :-(
Those celebrations you hear are from Democrats cheering the potential death of the best health care system in the world, and the certain death of our freedom.
We have not yet begun to fight! (h/t John Paul Jones)
You guys...stop it. This will backfire. There's an election next November, and a good chance the GOP will get a veto-proof majority...meaning this crap will be repealed without Obama's signature.
Awake the sleeping giant...and that giant is WE THE PEOPLE!
One can hope regarding the Senate...as to the rest that voted for this tonight, we need to get as many kicked to the curb as we can standing in the unemployment line.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
I am truly PO'd that this piece of garbage bill passed. These friggin morons need to be sent a powerful message that they have gone against the will of the PEOPLE! Nancy Pelosi should be thrown in jail along with other members of Congress for traitorous and seditious acts against the United States.
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Pelosi and the House just told the whole US to bend over and take it! Dou you have $15,000 to purchase health insurance because the Feds tell you that you must?
D@^^N Socialist usurpers. Most of what is in the HB. is unconstitutional as it restricts rights of residents of the various states. It assumes rights and reasponsibilities for the Fed. Government that are reserved to the States and People.
Get your D@^^N hands out of my pockets and the pockets of my retired friends!
Not if you don't own a car. Maybe the government will next order us all to buy a car so they can take over the car insurance industry.
The government should have NO say in if I chose to have health insurance or not. This is taking away my LIBERTY. Therefore it goes against. Something that we fought to have and is in the Declaration of Independence. Maybe we need to draw up another Declaration and send it to Congress.
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Your State may require you to purchase auto insurance as a prerequisite for the priviledge of obtaining driving priviledges. There is no Federal mandate for carrying auto insurance. Any state may choose to impose this or any other requirement prior to allowing residents to drive. Some states allow a bond instead of insurance.
EDIT:
See this article that includes a discussion of this subject with Sen. Orrin Hatch.
from people like you. If you plow your car into my car, you have to have insurance to pay for my loss. This health care crap does nothing to protect me from you and I have to pay for your coverage as well as mine. Think before you post next time.
The law doesnt require you to buy a car however, not everyone has a car and therefore not everyone is required to buy auto insurance. This bill will force EVERYONE to buy it
No it doesn't, certainly not federal law. Is there a law in your State forcing you to own a car? Is there another law requiring you to purchase your insurance from the Government? Hardly the same now is it? Or are you going to play moron now?
In the meantime until all of that time it takes to get that done, years possibly, think of the damage that will have already been done...in so many ways.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Evening to you as well. I am saddened, frustrated, angy and bitter at this moment. This garbage touches me doubly - personally and professionally.
I pray with you for the bill's failure in the Senate. It is an abomination that will worsen as these Leftists and complicit useful tools further flesh out the guidelines after it becomes law.
The elitism demonstrated by the Majority party in tonight's
vote was stunning. They responded as if they were offended about the lack
of tort reform in their plan yet they offer no defense for the massive increase
in taxes, government bureaucracy and rationing their plan would create. Then they acted like they saved the world
when their ill-conceived deathblow to capitalism passed. Hope the U.S. Senate has enough sense to let
this travesty of a bill die.
This man sold out the nation and the republican party because he thinks this is going to help him win reelection in 2010. He could barely beat a William Jefferson, a convicted felon.
What makes this idiot think that he could beat a democrat in 2010?
is that increasingly the south is the only area of the country where "real" conservatives can get elected and in states like Louisana, Florida it can go either way.
Gerrymannered districts are not unique to one state or region. They exist throughout the country to serve one pary or the other. Now if you need more explanation just ask. I stand ready to help you understand the concept.
This is 100% the work of Washington corruption, and will it now steer the Senate? Strong case it will never pass, but if the effort is to fight fair with these turds, then its a losing strategy.
...motherfuckingpieceofshitbastardsonsofwhores just voted to sell the citizenry into slavery. I honestly don't see an election fixing anything, especially if the senate passes this through reconciliation. Hell, there might not even be an election next year. At least not the kind that uses ballots...
Is there anything more nauseating than watching these Dems lavish praise on each other after passage of HR 3962?!? Acting as if they just yanked the American people back from the edge of a deadly precipice, when in fact the preponderance of their gutless caucus had to be bought off in order to vote for this abomination. Even if they had just passed a bill which was completely bipartisan and legitimately positive for the American people it would still be in terribly poor taste to act in this manner. Someone should teach these people the meaning of humility...or even how to spell the word.
However, to hear memeber after member repeat some variation of "Nancy Pelosi is the greatest speaker in the history of this chamber" made it all the more worthwhile. That gave me a heckuva good chuckle. In fact, I'm still laughing at the sheer preposterousness of the statement.
James K. Polk, Henry Clay, Joseph Cannon, Jonathan Dayton.....and Nancy Pelosi. Ah yes, a statesman - or woman - for the ages. Uggh.
I should have been in that same chat room. During the countdown, I was hovered over white porcelain feverishly working to hold down all of my meals from this week. I was unsuccessful.
I'm sure that someone has, in the last hour or so, surmized that there are at least 220 + 60 persons in this country's "leadership" that need .30-cal lobotomies. And I'd bet serious money there's more than one person with this thought.
GC, in case you haven't noticed, the commies have all the ammo and they're using it against us. They don't need to take an obscure comment from someone like myself (of little to no account, according to them) and use it as "ammunition". Your tag line says you should understand at least that much.
I understand, I think, why you felt it necessary to chide what KJ_sez had to say at 1:03 ET, but sometimes, IMO, things must be said in a straightforward way that brooks no misinterpretation whatsoever.
Otherwise, every bit of air I breathe in brings with it the stench of political correctness.
I agree completely, not only with what both KJ and docjohn52 had to say, but with how they said it. I'm not sure, but I got the impression you were merely advising KJ along the lines of "be aware" of who might "tune" in.
If you disagree, general company, I not only respect your right to do so, I respect you for saying what you think.
I am sure you are aware that this administration, and the LibDems that are railed against in the threads on NB, are taking this Country in a direction many of us absolutely refuse to condone.
I say "many of us" because reportedly there are more conservatives than liberals in the U.S.
Politically speaking, I cannot believe what I see and hear coming out of Washington most days.
Whether or not the politicos in D.C. ARE stone deaf, arrogant, and elitist, or not; they certainly act that way.
I do not presume to speak for any conservative other than myself, but I know damned well I will NOT put up with the crap I see headed my way because of the moves of some clueless, ideological a**munches in Federal La-La land.
I will do what is required.
If it means taking weapon in hand, so be it.
Worked for my forefathers in their riddance of Britains' yoke in the mid 1770's.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
It's OK to be mad at the Dems, but just remember that this whole federal healthcare spending debacle went unchecked, and got a big boost under GW and a Republican Congress. They had at least 4 years to nip it in the bud, and did nothing except make it worse. So blame Tom DeLay and Bill Frist if you want to blame someone.
"The problem with political jokes is they get elected." -Henry Cate VII (?)
Spending our money like drunken sailors, (no insult intended there boys). Pelosi was dressed like a Madam at the Mustang Ranch... so this this is what the end looks like.
61 years since the UK National Health Service was "born" -- and they're still trying to "get it right."
Whole generations and been born, lived and died under the government run NHS, with a mind-numbing bureaucracy and the third largest workforce in the world -- and they are still trying to "get it right."
Population UK: about 65 million.
Population USA: about 300 million.
Good luck with that.
The state controlled leftist media are just a bunch of DOUCHE BAGGERS (D-BAGGERS)
I think that the abortion amemdment that the House put in will be stripped out by the Senate. When the House has to vote again it may not pass. If the final passage does not come until after the first of year it may not pass. When those Blue Dogs go home for Christmas they are going to hear about it. Will they listen.
I think we should all hold candlelight
vigilante's
in either our town square's, in front of our local representive's office that voted for this bill, or something of that nature next Saturday at 11pm est/10pm cst in rememberence of America since the Democrats can't see the light.
Anybody have any thoughts on this? Or, know how to get the word out to the masses about it?
I cant believe this crap sandwich passed....the look on that moron Pelosi's face made me throw up in my mouth when I saw it. I heard that even if passed, this wont take effect until 2011 or something...does anyone else know the truth concerning this?
This is a sad day in history for America. Soon, we will be known as the USSA (United Socialist States of America).
While it still needs to hit the Senate I made a promise to some people and Monday morning I will be handing out termination notices. F*** you Congress, F*** you Obama, and most of all, F*** people of the USA who have no idea what freedom costs. You sold yourselves into slavery and I’m done with it. My business will sell, I already have offers from a national company, and I will be dumping it Monday morning. They will not be hiring locals that I have hired and it will hit this community hard.
I used to care, I used to believe that the US was something special. I isn’t. Just another government run robber society all prettied up to make people fall under the illusion of freedom. A government that can reach into your pockets any time they please are nothing less than thieves.
So shove it Congress. Shove it up your rear end. Tie for me to retire… not in the USA. You cannot have one more dime of my money to hand out a pittance to some people and retain the rest to line your pockets.
FU AMA. FU AARP. FU every single group that supported and lobbied for this. And for shame. Taking bribes to line your pockets while your members will suffer the consequences.
Too late for a revolution. This country has fallen into a shat hole of corruption and criminal leaders.
November 7, 2009, the day the Republic of the United States of America died.......killed by a couple of hundred maggots in congress that signed in a bill in spite of millions of their constituents! These low life pondscum may well have just signed in anarchy!! imo
I received this in an email press release from Rep. Cao last night. I fired back an email describing what he and the Democrats, if this is not overturned, had done ... and that he had finally lost my support:
Press Release:
Contact: Princella D. Smith - 202-225-6636
Washington, DC - Tonight, Congressman Anh “Joseph” Cao (LA-2) voted in favor of the comprehensive health reform bill, H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act.
Of his vote, Cao said: “Tonight, I voted to keep taxpayer dollars from funding abortion and to deliver access to affordable health care to the people of Louisiana.
Cao said: “I read the versions of the House [health reform] bill. I listened to the countless stories of Orleans and Jefferson Parish citizens whose health care costs are exploding – if they are able to obtain health care at all. Louisianans needs real options for primary care, for mental health care, and for expanded health care for seniors and children.
The bill passed the House at a 220-215 vote.
Cao said: “Today, I obtained a commitment from President Obama that he and I will work together to address the critical health care issues of Louisiana including the FMAP crisis and community disaster loan forgiveness, as well as issues related to Charity and Methodist Hospitals. And, I call on my constituents to support me as I work with him on these issues.
Cao said: “I have always said that I would put aside partisan wrangling to do the business of the people. My vote tonight was based on my priority of doing what is best for my constituents.
H.R. 3962 included the Stupak-Pitts Amendment, which will keep in place current federal law on abortion funding and conscience protections for health care providers.
Cao said: “Before the Stupak-Pitts amendment was adopted as part of this health reform bill, the bill failed to explicitly include the longstanding policy prohibiting federal funding of elective abortion and plans which include elective abortion.”
According to a letter from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops dated November 7, 2009, “The [Stupak-Pitts] Amendment will not affect coverage of abortion in nonsubsidized health plans, and will not bar anyone from purchasing a supplemental abortion policy with their own funds.”
Cao said: “Thank to the Stupak-Pitts Amendment, taxpayer dollars will not go to supporting elective abortions, and for thousands of my constituents, this was a top priority. By incorporating this amendment into the health reform bill, my colleagues and I made this bill better, and that is an achievement of which I will always be proud.”
Archbishop Gregory M. Aymond, the archbishop of New Orleans, said: “I am grateful to Congressman Cao for his courage and determination to defend life. I appreciate his work to prevent abortion from being included in health care reform and for protecting conscience rights of health care professionals. I – and, I am sure, many in New Orleans would join me – [I] appreciate Congressman Cao's commitment to the people of New Orleans."
Amazingly, Rep. Cao has claimed to have read the bill. I think all the schmoozing and attention he's received, radio and TV appearances he's garnered, pleas from people who say they need help, have gotten to him. In one sense he has a soft spot for the poor, said so in his campaign, but it has affected his better judgment. His newcomer status has blinded him in that he thinks he can trust the Democrats. He was ripe for plucking.
If doctors and medical professionals performed like the communists--er, democrats in the US Congress, they would be subject to the largest malpractice suit in history.
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Moderate... Democrat... Liberal... Progressive... Socialist... Communist—The progression is clear as day.
I don't see threatening vulnerable democratics with likely defeat as all that productive. Some of them may even see themselves as expendable, and we know Princess Nan certainly does. Her seat is safe. Our Halfrican-in-Chief idiot on Saturday even compared those democratics that may lose their seats after voting for Obamacare to soldiers at war giving their life for a cause.
Any of those democratics are guaranteed a lifetime job in one of the 110 or so new committees which will be formed under Obamacare to regulate, ration, and socialize what was once the finest healtcare system in the world. They might also be offered an ambassadorship to a fine South Pacific or Caribbean country. I expect many of them won't bother running again. They are pawns, like those students that the Ayatollah of Iran sent across the minefields during their war with Iraq.
We need to focus our energies on finding viable candidates for the 2010 primary season. That's the hard work.
Put the energies into 2010... though you say the democrats are ready and willing to be defeated. If this is their "war" then waiting to reinforce as an opposition is akin to Barry's response in Afghanistan. Is this the best strategy?
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November 7, 2009 - 20:18 ET by Mike BatesMedicine delivered with the efficiency of the Post Office, the compassion of the IRS, and the timeliness of AMTRAK
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November 7, 2009 - 21:26 ET by GregE......and salesmanship of a Marxist president. (see $787 crapulous bill pitched to cap unemployment at 8%)
can we....
November 7, 2009 - 20:10 ET by MrShychat? :)
Health Care Vote Chat Room
November 7, 2009 - 20:53 ET by BlondeHere....I'm watching the Gators, I'll catch up with you all in a bit.
Shy, kindly Mod the room for me for a while.
I hope he fails, too.
Thanks, J.
November 7, 2009 - 20:54 ET by R D HelmLOL-I am about all footballed-out for one day.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
If Stupak fails, but
November 7, 2009 - 20:12 ET by Noel SheppardIf Stupak fails, but ObamaCare passes, doesn't that mean Joe Wilson was right?
Noel,
November 7, 2009 - 20:17 ET by R D HelmJoe Wilson was right no matter what transpires.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Joe Wilson is already right.
November 7, 2009 - 20:17 ET by BKeyserJoe Wilson is already right. That incredulous look in Queen Nan's eyes during the "Equivocation to a Joint Session of Congress" was not because Wilson spoke up, or even because he challenged the President, it was because no one was supposed to know enough about the Bill to accurately point out the LIES Barry was spewing.
Noel... Yes! Glad you
November 7, 2009 - 20:18 ET by bigtimerNoel...
Yes!
Glad you have this here, I've been watching all day...going to be interesting what happens tonight.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
How can you stand it? I
November 7, 2009 - 21:32 ET by GregEHow can you stand it? I flipped on CSpan a couple times today and can't stomach the socialists pushing this nonsense as if it's some great savior, alongside their messiah president. It is absolutely sickening what we now have running the government of the greatest nation the world has ever known. The world would never know it, if all it has as its evidence, this idiotic bunch of socialist/marxist loving, morons, who know nothing of what our Constitution is and hate it nonetheless.
Govt of the people, by the people, and for the people? BS, show me evidence.
Greg... I haven't been
November 7, 2009 - 21:44 ET by bigtimerGreg...
I haven't been able to watch congress much at all since O got in...and I have for a very long time....with both parties in power, but this has been hard to stomach and a hard habit to break...but I decided today I need to listen to much more from our side of the aisle to learn more like I used to of what all is in this bill and such....
I am glad I did so today...very much.
Then again, if an important game had been on I wanted to watch, it would be the game.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Noel, I would love to
November 7, 2009 - 20:18 ET by Chris NormanNoel,
I would love to hear an interview of Obama (sans teleprompter), where he is asked to discuss in detail the various parts of this Rube Goldberg nightmare. Does he have even an inkling of the gory details of this conglomeration that he let Pelosi put together?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
→ Just got here
November 7, 2009 - 20:17 ET by Cool ArrowAnd tuned in.
Was Stupak's the abortion amendment?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA... Yes...they just had
November 7, 2009 - 20:19 ET by bigtimerCA...
Yes...they just had 10 minutes on each side for debate...now they are going to the GOP version.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
→ Boehner
November 7, 2009 - 20:22 ET by Cool ArrowIs this guy just too kind, or am I just imagining he should have taken this opportunity to call them all a bunch of chicken-thieving so-and-sos?
We are there, at the last act of defiance. I don't think we need to make nice.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA... For me, he has
November 7, 2009 - 20:27 ET by bigtimerCA...
For me, he has always been too kind, I'd much rather see Pence in there as Speaker of the House someday...he has what it takes in my opinion, and a classy way to do it...with conviction.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Hiya CA~~
November 7, 2009 - 20:19 ET by BKeyserYeah, it is. Here's an interesting read.
→ We're sunk here
November 7, 2009 - 20:25 ET by Cool ArrowI have that same sinking feeling in my gut that I had when the TARP vote passed.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
me too, cool
November 7, 2009 - 20:29 ET by Candance MooreAfter months of TEA parties, town hall fights, and marches on Washington, they still have the nerve to say "the American people want this."
→ Arrogance
November 7, 2009 - 20:32 ET by Cool ArrowThis pack of porkers see nothing beyond all the money they will control after this boondoggle.
Ahh, comrade! The contracts we will award!
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Ah yes...the Prez has been
November 7, 2009 - 20:39 ET by bigtimerAh yes...the Prez has been there today with the dems, Nancy Dearest has had congress members in her office one by one making promises/threats....
Going to be interesting how the vote comes out...and those of them that do vote for it are gone in '10.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Don't you wonder how these
November 7, 2009 - 21:59 ET by Radical1979Don't you wonder how these men react to being called to the woodshed by Pelosi? It's certainly appropriate for women to correct men, but to be chastised by Pelosi? OMG if it was my husband I wouldnt' be able to look at him as a man again.
Next Novemeber we will have
November 8, 2009 - 02:01 ET by NL207Next Novemeber we will have an opportunity to remove these vermin. We should make the most of it.
It will take 112 seats in the house to gain a 2/3 majority. 40 are a gimmee. The rest we have to work for. The object of this exercise is far mor ethan repeal of this abomination. It is to impeach leftist Federal Judges or legislate away their Jurisdictions. It will take a 2/3 majority to purge the federal judiciary.
CA~~
November 7, 2009 - 20:32 ET by BKeyserThey're gonna pass this, but it doesn't really mean squat right now. The Senate isn't going to pass anything this year, and the Members and Senators will be going home over the holidays to a very vocal majority against the Dems "reform".
The Stupak ammendment, even if passed, will be omitted if the bill ever gets to conference. This whole thing tonite is largely symbolic.
are you sure BKeyser?
November 7, 2009 - 20:36 ET by Candance MooreYou mean much like the House vote on the bailout was symbolic?
Candance~~
November 7, 2009 - 20:38 ET by BKeyserThis Bill isn't going to Barry tomorrow. Usually the House votes last, but in this case, Queen Nan wants the vote before too much damage is done from Tuesday's election. Yeah- it really doesn't mean much- at least that's my understanding from everything I've seen this week.
Normally there would only be
November 7, 2009 - 21:45 ET by GregENormally there would only be one bill, and it would head to the Senate after the House votes. But in this case, the Senate has one of their own. So each chamber has to pass their own bills this time, then, iron out ONE bill which will then have to pass both chambers before going up to be signed by Kim Jong Il.
→ I know
November 7, 2009 - 20:36 ET by Cool ArrowThey're flexing their muscles.
But they're from the Government, and they're here to help us, right? /s
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I can only imagine what Kim
November 7, 2009 - 21:46 ET by GregEI can only imagine what Kim Jong Il told the "on the fence" Democrats today when he went to "meet" with them. Chicago politics at it's finest I'm sure, threats galore.
It may be fun to open a chat room.
November 7, 2009 - 20:20 ET by upcountrywaterSo we can give each other live comments & updates...
Share the PAIN....
While we are waiting...... pop open my ☟ music ( opens in a new window)
State controlled health care ! music video.
☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
Is that you UCW?
November 8, 2009 - 01:20 ET by general companyKinda nice, little Dire Staits in there,,,,,literally
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC, Missed you in the chat, Shared pain zone..
November 8, 2009 - 01:57 ET by upcountrywaterNo,(However our noses are the same size) I sure been pushing Leonard....
"healthcare" passed so we shall be
Waiting For a Miracle
( i don't believe you will like it)
Yall hear Tonko blabbing?
November 7, 2009 - 20:25 ET by Candance MooreOur constituents demand it!! My friends in NY, did you know you were all apparently demanding government healthcare??
Tonko
November 7, 2009 - 21:07 ET by TheAssessorI know this jerk Tonko Bell personally. He's a 'good friend' of Bwany Fwanks and has never done anything that wasn't self serving in his entire life.
Update: Here’s a fun
November 7, 2009 - 20:25 ET by R D HelmUpdate: Here’s a fun thought: What if the bill passes 218-217 … and Bill Owens casts the deciding vote? Dude. -Allahpundit
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Just finished reading a link on Drudge about Owens BREAKING
November 7, 2009 - 22:47 ET by Cape Conservativehis campaign promises within one hour of being sworn in! I'll bet all those voters who believed he was a man of his word are feeling pretty poorly right about now!
To paraphrase Joe Wilson, YOU LIED, Representative Owens! What a great beginning of a political career! Doug Hoffman, start taking notes for 2010!!!!!!!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise designated by Homeland Security as a Domestic Right Wing Terrorist! And now by our president as a 'swiftboater' - both titles I'll wear proudly! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
202.224.3121 LET CONGRESS HEAR THE ROAR OF THE SILENT MAJORITY!
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CC, I saw that story, too.
November 8, 2009 - 11:02 ET by R D HelmI actually laughed.
I suggest Owens have as much fun as he can in the next year, because I am pretty sure he will be gone next November.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Even if this junk pile
November 7, 2009 - 20:26 ET by Chris NormanEven if this junk pile passes the House, I take some hope that it might end up like those ridiculously complicated early flying machines (the ones with ten wings and twenty propellers) that folded up and collapsed immediately when they tried to make it go somewhere.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris... What's amusing
November 7, 2009 - 20:29 ET by bigtimerChris...
What's amusing is even if Stupak's amendment passes there is no guarantee that it won't be stripped out in conference if it get's through the Senate bill.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
bt,The consequences,
November 7, 2009 - 20:38 ET by Chris Normanbt,
The consequences, unintentional and intentional, of this pile of crap will be sprung on us for years and years to come as the bureaucracies and courts all get a crack interpreting what the unexplainable mess "means". It's a nightmare "gift" that will keep on giving and giving. Can you even imagine the atrocities that the faceless liberal bureaucrats and judges will mine from this two thousand page steaming pile?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris... Don't know if
November 7, 2009 - 20:43 ET by bigtimerChris...
Don't know if you've seen my comments in the past, but I truly pray that NO Bill is ever passed to be signed ...one toe in the door and we are done.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
bt,I always read your
November 7, 2009 - 20:50 ET by Chris Normanbt,
I always read your comments with interest and know full well where you stand. Like I wrote originally, this may be so unwieldy and poisonous that it may die the death it deserves.
I just wanted to point out that whatever the written points that Congress may be debating (I'm in the office with no TV), the real bad stuff would come when the thing begins to be implemented and again when the courts start hearing the challenges to, say, anti-abortion or illegal alien language or amendments. Anything that is 2000 pages will be the devil's playground.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Excellent points
November 7, 2009 - 20:57 ET by bigtimerExcellent points Chris...
It will be mired in court cases for years.
I jotted down a few things I heard today that I didn't know were in this bill, it's simple amazing...trial lawyers are paid handsomely though...to cut to the chase..when I have more time later down the road I'll post about them too...this whole thing is nothing but a huge govt. take over of all of us in so many areas it isn't funny...a humongous head-ache for the rest of our lives.
Freedom is gone.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
bt, If freedom really
November 7, 2009 - 21:00 ET by Chris Normanbt,
If freedom really ever does go away, it should be noted that it was taken, not from the top - in one fell swoop - but from the bottom, in the endless stream of "little things" that added up and combined and grew...
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
A pretext for government control of every aspect of our lives
November 7, 2009 - 23:10 ET by needleBesides the obvious ways OBamaCare mocks the Constitution and destroys our freedoms directly, what bothers me most about ObamaCare is that will provide our EVER-INCREASINGLY FASCISTIC government with a PRETEXT FOR CONTROLLING ANY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES in any way that can possibly impinge on one’s health. (These are my words not Rush Limbaugh’s, but I credit him for pointing this out, and I am sure that he is right about this.)
(I highly recommend to anyone, but especially those who frequent this board, Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism. It gives one a really clear account of how the Progressives first, and then the Liberals, are fundamentally Fascists, and have been promoting and pushing Fascism for a century. Since I have read it, I take every opportunity to make clear the connection. RINOs and suckers for Fascism.)
- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.
- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.
bt - click on this for a GREAT book - you'll see my comment
November 8, 2009 - 20:13 ET by Cape Conservativeand also the post above mine has the link to the book.
Book
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202.224.3121 LET CONGRESS HEAR THE ROAR OF THE SILENT MAJORITY!
202.456.1111 WHITE HOUSE COMMENT LINE
Chris,
November 7, 2009 - 20:50 ET by R D HelmExactly, and what is more, by the time the dolts in this country finally noodle out just how unworkable this insanity truly is, the infrastructure of our health care system will be wrecked beyond repair.
As I said somewheres around here earlier, I would love to be a fly on the wall when some idiot who supports this lunacy is sitting in their doctor's office, and the doc is reading from a government printout and listing every food and beverage item the idiot has purchased over the previous ten years, and then tells the twerp that they will be denied care because of it.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Dave,This thing gives
November 7, 2009 - 20:57 ET by Chris NormanDave,
This thing gives radical left lunacy infinite opportunities to grow and develop. It's like injecting cancer super cells into the health care system.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
I love
November 7, 2009 - 20:41 ET by bigtimerI love McCotter!!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
You know, I was hoping I was going to make it through this life
November 7, 2009 - 20:44 ET by R D Helm...without having to someday sit down with my three nieces and my nephew and explain to them what America once was.
Somehow I am beginning to think I just might have to.
Damn.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Gerry Miller from Ca. is
November 7, 2009 - 20:48 ET by bigtimerGerry Miller from Ca. is one of the biggest POS they have out...you don't get much further left than him...Pete Stark ranks right there.
...and we have Stehanie Miller as proof that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
bt, Is Gerry Miller
November 7, 2009 - 20:53 ET by Chris Normanbt,
Is Gerry Miller someone different than George Miller (the guy with the bushy mustache who I remember represented Contra Costa County)? George Miller was horrible enough... (and is he still around?)
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris... Yeah..definately
November 7, 2009 - 21:00 ET by bigtimerChris...
Yeah..definitely different. (funny...I don't recall good ol' George..glad I don't from the sounds of it...lol)
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Ol' George must be
November 7, 2009 - 21:04 ET by Chris NormanOl' George must be gone by now - unless he became a vampire :). He was a super liberal/big union supporter as I recall - from my youth. Miller aside, it's amazing how these guys hang on year after year from the time we were young until...whenever. These guys must have access to some kind of longevity potion...
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
That "longevity potion" is
November 7, 2009 - 21:09 ET by Dan DiegoThat "longevity potion" is our money.
Over the Cliff
November 7, 2009 - 20:57 ET by saintknowitallDon't they democrats feel the bus going over the cliff? This is a symbolic vote. It is dead after it leaves the House. (Pun intended.)
The man who should be
November 7, 2009 - 21:08 ET by bigtimerThe man who should be behind bars is telling us how it is now...Rangel..the tax swindler King.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Let's see...Gator
November 7, 2009 - 21:14 ET by RedandRightLet's see...Gator game/Liars Gator game/Liars......Gator game wins I'll check NB or Drudge for the criminal news from Washington.
RaR... Lol..that took me
November 7, 2009 - 21:26 ET by bigtimerRaR...
Lol..that took me a split second...now I'm laughing so hard it isn't funny.
Have a good time...if I was into a team tonight I'd be clicking back and forth myself.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
This plan is so great,
November 7, 2009 - 21:13 ET by Dan DiegoThis plan is so great, members of congress are not worthy of it. /sarc
Prediction:
November 7, 2009 - 21:18 ET by BarkerVan Jones will gavel the House to order for a vote....at midnight.
Dem count against = 34
November 7, 2009 - 21:23 ET by BigSpoon65We need just 7 more dems to come to their senses.
Winston Churchill ~ "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."
Fox just had a report the
November 7, 2009 - 21:24 ET by Radical1979Fox just had a report the other week about Congress only working 2 1/2 days a week. As much as I think they should work more, now I'm changing my mind...
They'll probably file for
November 7, 2009 - 22:36 ET by Dan DiegoThey'll probably file for overtime.
The Dems are aware that
November 7, 2009 - 21:25 ET by ConservativeRexThe Dems are aware that this is political suicide for them, and yet they continue. Because they know full well once they get any social program in, it acts like crack for the users, the first hit is free, then they have you hooked.
I also know the Repubs are all up in arms over this. But dammit, they had their chance, they had their chance to never let this happen. Now they are saying, "just get us back in there in 2010, we've learned our lessons and we'll fix this mess". Bull twinkie. They'll continue to do the same damn thing they did from '96 on. All I know is, we are in a hell of a pickle and not sure what to do about it. I reckon we'll have to put Conservatives in, REAL Conservatives, and see where we'll go from there.
But I guarantee damn T you, if we put you back in, y'all had better get rid of ALL of this socialized crap! Every bit of it. It's getting pretty durn close to boiling over in this country. Maybe it is time for a cleaning. I am damn mad.
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
CRex... You're not
November 7, 2009 - 21:28 ET by bigtimerCRex...
You're not alone.
Not at all.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Same here Rex. It's beyond
November 7, 2009 - 21:41 ET by GregESame here Rex. It's beyond old. We have liberals and liberal-lite. I'm glad Republicans are against this crap, but you're exactly right about '96 and beyond. Jefferson said power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We've seen it on both sides. Now the Democrats are doing it, and they don't give a rats a** what Americans think. Americans don't even know what to think. Those who are all giddy about this crap of a healthcare bill, have no clue what they're giddy about. None. They'd support 9mm handguns to the temples of people who won't buy healthcare, if it was in the bill. Most are idiots, and those in Washington know it. Many Republicans against this crap have their names on all kinds of crap spending, now they suddenly want us to think they've always been conservative? BS. This is how this crap plays out. Elections in America are a freakin sporting event in the minds of most. It's all about who won. Well, the Constitution, and America itself, loses.
What I intend to do...
November 7, 2009 - 22:41 ET by needleWhat I intend to do is:
A) Completely stop sending any money to the RNC, RNCC, RNSC and any other roughly related Republican front (in various phone calls that I have received recently I have made this perfectly clear -- the effect on the caller is something to enjoy); and
B) Selectively support directly any candidate that Sarah Palin explicitly endorses.
Considering the amount of money involved, this will not make any more actual difference than my cession of eating hamburgers would affect Global warming. However, if it just so happens that a significant number of other genuine conservatives took a similar stance, I believe that it would make a real difference.
- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.
- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.
Done
November 8, 2009 - 00:10 ET by NorthCoasterI consider them as in the same league as the AARP!
ConsRex - click on the link to read my comment - also
November 8, 2009 - 20:27 ET by Cape ConservativeSilver Fox's post above mine has the link to the book.
Book
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202.224.3121 LET CONGRESS HEAR THE ROAR OF THE SILENT MAJORITY!
202.456.1111 WHITE HOUSE COMMENT LINE
I saw a couple minutes of
November 7, 2009 - 21:34 ET by GregEI saw a couple minutes of their BS today, just enough to see corruption leader Charlie Rangel refer to Nancy Pelosi as "Speaker Pelody"
It's my own fault, but every
November 7, 2009 - 21:36 ET by Radical1979It's my own fault, but every episode of Law & Order this season has had a healthcare commentary in the show. It's really ticking me off.
The messiah called for it,
November 7, 2009 - 21:42 ET by GregEThe messiah called for it, and Hollywood is responding. Its like we have a little Kim Jong Il in the White House.
Well...the votes are
November 7, 2009 - 22:03 ET by bigtimerWell...the votes are commencing.
Stupak first regarding abortion.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
I saw this on Michelle
November 7, 2009 - 22:14 ET by Radical1979I saw this on Michelle Malkin's blog, I hope it's o.k. to do this,
9:20am Eastern. 1minute speeches.
* Democrat Rep. Jackie Speier crows that Pelosicare will let
“children” stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 27. Yeah,
culture of entitlement!
I love my kids but if I'm doing my job by 27 they'll be on their own. The last thing I need is the government making it easier for them NOT to grow up.
27
November 7, 2009 - 22:51 ET by GothampcI heard that and thought "What moron thought that up?" How did they choose the age of 27? It makes no sense.
I was already
November 8, 2009 - 01:18 ET by red_dragon311I was already Married and had 2 kids at 27....Jesus Christ, what kind of drugs are these people taking
God help you if you try to be civil and give and FYI about grammar or spelling on this site...the backlash could kill you
Growing the
November 8, 2009 - 01:23 ET by general companyNon Contributer, how else will these folks get elected?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Lol...one republican voting
November 7, 2009 - 22:19 ET by bigtimerLol...one republican voting with the dems so far against the Stupak amendment...maybe he/she was tipsy....oops they took it back...lol.
Anyway...so far more dems are voting with dems than I thought they'd get....63 dems so far.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Political cover for Blue
November 7, 2009 - 22:31 ET by Dan DiegoPolitical cover for Blue Dogs to vote for P-Louse's bill.
DD... Bulls-Eye! 'Doubli
November 7, 2009 - 22:44 ET by bigtimerDD...
Bulls-Eye!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Shhhhhh
November 7, 2009 - 22:21 ET by acumenThis is Saturday night. We're not supposed to be paying attention.
Lol acumen, I'm whispering
November 7, 2009 - 22:27 ET by bigtimerLol acumen, I'm whispering here...
That's the plan Stan...agenda, agenda, agenda.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT
November 7, 2009 - 22:32 ET by acumenIsn't this new era of Government transparency a beautiful thingy?
Oooops. I really meant to say; I know nothing; I see nothing.
acumen... Don't forget I
November 7, 2009 - 22:39 ET by bigtimeracumen...
Don't forget; I hear nothing.
Lord help this country...we have a long way to go.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
194 Democrats would prefer
November 7, 2009 - 22:25 ET by BKeyser194 Democrats would prefer to allot Federal funds for abortion.
Edit: 240 members who voted for the ammendment will be overruled by the minority in conference.
Yeah...but the good guys
November 7, 2009 - 22:26 ET by bigtimerYeah...but the good guys won... for now.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Big surprise, the GOP bill
November 7, 2009 - 22:31 ET by BKeyserBig surprise, the GOP bill is going down in flames.
Edit: Who's the one?
Not enough trees
November 7, 2009 - 22:33 ET by acumenwere killed in the making of this bill.
Well the dems are
November 7, 2009 - 22:52 ET by bigtimerWell the dems are greenie-weenies...they have to know when one forest is enough!
Save a Tree...Abolish Congress!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BK... Probably the same
November 7, 2009 - 22:37 ET by bigtimerBK...
Probably the same RINO that was teetering back and forth on the Stupak amendment.
Makes me sick.
Obvious this is going to pass now.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
This is the one.
November 7, 2009 - 22:50 ET by BKeyserThis is the one.
bk - why am I NOT surprised he represents Illinois?????????
November 7, 2009 - 23:12 ET by Cape ConservativeIt must be something in the water!
I saw you said
November 8, 2009 - 01:22 ET by red_dragon311I saw you said Illinois and i thought my Idiot rep Mark Kirk was the one.....and I will NOT vote for this fool in 2010
God help you if you try to be civil and give and FYI about grammar or spelling on this site...the backlash could kill you
Ah yes....
November 7, 2009 - 22:30 ET by Barker194 Democrats would prefer Obama lie about abortion coverage.
Obama-style?
November 7, 2009 - 22:42 ET by BarkerWhat's up with this Rep. John Shadegg "look at me, I'm voting present" crap?
Barker... He had some
November 7, 2009 - 22:49 ET by bigtimerBarker...
He had some kind of grand plan...heard about it earlier, sounded kind of good to me from what I did hear, but anyway, if you googled it, bet you could find out what it was...obviously the other repubs didn't think it was such a great idea...lol.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
the Caucus is gettn
November 7, 2009 - 22:42 ET by BKeyserthe Caucus is gettn raucus...
Jail
November 7, 2009 - 22:48 ET by GothampcPeople can go to jail if they don't buy healthcare???? Am I living in America or Communist China?
Anthony Weiner (Dumbass - NY) was on Fox a few hours ago saying "Nobody will go to jail. And if they do, I'll take their place in jail."
Goth.. Yep...something
November 7, 2009 - 22:58 ET by bigtimerGoth..
Yep...something else isn't it?
$250,000 fine or 5 yrs in jail...something like that.
America is gone if this ever goes all the way to the top...and there is plenty more inside that is infuriating....we will no longer be free as we all have know it.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
bt - we MUST stop it somehow. We've done it before, and we
November 7, 2009 - 23:21 ET by Cape ConservativeMUST keep trying now. I've called my congressman's office several times today...the response I get from staff is just as bad as the attitude of the congressman...Unbounded, unfettered, sheer ARROGANCE! I'll bet the switchboard has been 'humming' all day...I dial it continuously just to keep things lively ;-) Here are the numbers again if we have to endure another day of Pelosi breaking the knees (Chicago-style) of her reluctant Democrats.
I know I would NOT cave in to her demands...I sure hope there is a tad bit more manhood in those blue dogs than the rest of the liberal limp weenies! If they want to be re-elected, they had better listen to their constituents, not Pelosi!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise designated by Homeland Security as a Domestic Right Wing Terrorist! And now by our president as a 'swiftboater' - both titles I'll wear proudly! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
202.224.3121 LET CONGRESS HEAR THE ROAR OF THE SILENT MAJORITY!
202.456.1111 WHITE HOUSE COMMENT LINE
The Dark Night
November 7, 2009 - 22:48 ET by acumenConservatives raise the stakes in their bourgeois war on spending. With the help of some Blue 'dog' Democrats, Conservatives set out to dismantle the remaining criminal organizations that plague the DC Capitol. The partnership looks to be effective, but they soon find themselves prey to a reign of chaos unleashed by a rising smooth-talking mastermind known to the terrified citizens as....The Joker.
Acumen
November 8, 2009 - 00:13 ET by NorthCoasterWhat? You make no sense.
Its Hard Watching these Leacherous Traitors Sell Us Out
November 7, 2009 - 22:50 ET by BigSpoon65This is tyranny! Passing a bill that a clear majority is against is not what the founders had in mind when they wrote the constitution.
Winston Churchill ~ "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."
Well...this one is the big
November 7, 2009 - 23:09 ET by bigtimerWell...this one is the big one...so far the repub party line is sticking together, 33 dems voting Nay...34, 35,36,...come on...just a few more.... uh-oh...seems to have stopped there with 10 more dems left to vote.
Dang it all anyway...must be twisting the arms now!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
looks like the vote has enough Nays from Democrats to fail!
November 7, 2009 - 23:10 ET by meesterwhat do "we" need 28 Nays? There are 36 now.
If it fails I hope someone has a camera on Pelosi's face. ; )
meester... No...they only
November 7, 2009 - 23:11 ET by bigtimermeester...
No...they only need three more to pass...218 is the magic number.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
yep. I saw we were in trouble when I saw black people smiling.
November 7, 2009 - 23:22 ET by meesterPelosi looks pretty cute when she's smiling. Gad! Thinks of the horrible mess she is smiling about. We can barely imagine.
Maybe, like the election of BHO, this will prompt a backfire in time for 2010. I know my parents supported both of the senators from PA and won't do it again.
Whoever that f'n repub is
November 7, 2009 - 23:18 ET by bigtimerWhoever that f'n repub is that has voted with the dems tonight...I hope he's toast.
I just heard his name is Joesph Gow (sp) La. a new member...
ACORN must have supported this guy too.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT, it was no big surprise to me ...
November 7, 2009 - 23:32 ET by metaphorsbwithuIt's pronounced "Gow" but spelled Cao. He's the first Vietnamese-American Congressman from the New Orleans area - my district.
I had a feeling he'd do this. I have written him over and over about this issue fearing he would capitulate. His big issue has always been health care and he comes from a heavily Democratic/African American district.
Obviously, he wants to be re-elected and thinks this will make his Democrat constituents happy. He probably got a few extra bones from Nancy and Obama to take home too.
He's toast now. He's lost his conservative base and the African-American community will abandon him in 2010 in favor of any black candidate who opposes him. Obama and Pelosi will have no use for him either. What a sucker! :-(
metaphorsbwithu
meta... Hey thanks....now
November 7, 2009 - 23:36 ET by bigtimermeta...
Hey thanks....now I know who the guy is.
Much appreciated.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Crap, it passed
November 7, 2009 - 23:21 ET by acumenMadam Speaker is enjoying her moment. Isn't she wonderful?
acumen... I heard the
November 7, 2009 - 23:25 ET by bigtimeracumen...
I heard the witch...she makes me wretch.
Can't take anymore tonight....going to watch a movie and go to another world at the top of the hour.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
It's safe BT
November 7, 2009 - 23:29 ET by acumenShe has rushed off to her new luxury jet we just bought her to high-tail back to the left coast after her drive-by.
Disgusting..they made it by
November 7, 2009 - 23:22 ET by bigtimerDisgusting..they made it by 2 Votes!
1 repub...Joesph Gough or Gow....whoever he is...I hope he is done politically for the rest of my lifetime.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT...
November 7, 2009 - 23:53 ET by ckc1227"1 repub...Joesph Gough or Gow"
That means it was a bi-partisan achievement.
Lol ckc... Really
November 7, 2009 - 23:58 ET by bigtimerLol ckc...
Really bi-partisan, it's Cao.
You can be sure he will be the new darling of the msm...McC style.
Dontcha just love it.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
That sorry sack
November 8, 2009 - 00:41 ET by general companyHe is such a damn flake. grrrr
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Our liberties are
November 7, 2009 - 23:23 ET by han_soloOur liberties are being destroyed to a thunderous applause.
Mr. Solo
November 7, 2009 - 23:26 ET by acumenIf only we could have a muslim run into the house chamber and open fire.
They don't target their allies.
This law will be repealed.
November 7, 2009 - 23:27 ET by AgentAmericanOne step closer to a revolution. This will not stand. The left's days are numbered.
Have faith.
Awake the sleeping giant...and that giant is WE THE PEOPLE!
Sick Americans
November 7, 2009 - 23:26 ET by BarkerThose celebrations you hear are from Democrats cheering the potential death of the best health care system in the world, and the certain death of our freedom.
We have not yet begun to fight! (h/t John Paul Jones)
Barker... ...and the
November 7, 2009 - 23:30 ET by bigtimerBarker...
...and the death of a lot of us.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Don't surrender.
November 7, 2009 - 23:30 ET by AgentAmericanYou guys...stop it. This will backfire. There's an election next November, and a good chance the GOP will get a veto-proof majority...meaning this crap will be repealed without Obama's signature.
Awake the sleeping giant...and that giant is WE THE PEOPLE!
We'll see what the Senate
November 7, 2009 - 23:40 ET by bigtimerWe'll see what the Senate does...as to repeal...that's another bottle of wax.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Geraldo Rivera is having an orgasm on FOX
November 7, 2009 - 23:34 ET by CTWhat a complete ASSHAT!
CT... Glad I 'm not
November 7, 2009 - 23:38 ET by bigtimerCT...
Glad I 'm not watching it...and doesn't it figure that Rivers would be ecstatic.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
CT, I had to turn it
November 7, 2009 - 23:47 ET by Scuba DudeCT,
I had to turn it off. Why couldn't Fox put on Beck or Hannity or even (shudder) Bill O'Reilly?
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
It better not pass in the
November 7, 2009 - 23:42 ET by Conservative VoiceIt better not pass in the Senate, and every member who voted for this better be gone come 2010
Health Reform
November 7, 2009 - 23:52 ET by ACWIt will pass in the Senate and Obama will sign it in to law.
CV... One can hope
November 7, 2009 - 23:54 ET by bigtimerCV...
One can hope regarding the Senate...as to the rest that voted for this tonight, we need to get as many kicked to the curb as we can standing in the unemployment line.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
not positive but maybe this one
November 7, 2009 - 23:47 ET by LEWIS IN COLORADOAnh "Joseph" Cao --- 2nd of Louisiana pronounced "gow"
I am truly PO'd that
November 7, 2009 - 23:45 ET by Scuba DudeI am truly PO'd that this piece of garbage bill passed. These friggin morons need to be sent a powerful message that they have gone against the will of the PEOPLE! Nancy Pelosi should be thrown in jail along with other members of Congress for traitorous and seditious acts against the United States.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Dems
November 7, 2009 - 23:51 ET by NorthCoasterPelosi and the House just told the whole US to bend over and take it! Dou you have $15,000 to purchase health insurance because the Feds tell you that you must?
D@^^N Socialist usurpers. Most of what is in the HB. is unconstitutional as it restricts rights of residents of the various states. It assumes rights and reasponsibilities for the Fed. Government that are reserved to the States and People.
Get your D@^^N hands out of my pockets and the pockets of my retired friends!
What a sad day for those of
November 7, 2009 - 23:52 ET by Dc615657What a sad day for those of us that love freedom
NOT Constitutional. They
November 7, 2009 - 23:52 ET by rbosqueNOT Constitutional. They can't make us buy jack-S#!%. If it passes we can always appeal this vomit to the Supreme Court.
The law
November 7, 2009 - 23:54 ET by ACWThe law requirers that you have auto insurance.
This is a privacy issue.
November 7, 2009 - 23:56 ET by rbosqueThis is a privacy issue. This doesn't pass Judicial muster.
Possibly true
November 7, 2009 - 23:58 ET by ACWThat will be a fight for another day.
Not if you don't own a
November 8, 2009 - 00:01 ET by Scuba DudeNot if you don't own a car. Maybe the government will next order us all to buy a car so they can take over the car insurance industry.
The government should have NO say in if I chose to have health insurance or not. This is taking away my LIBERTY. Therefore it goes against. Something that we fought to have and is in the Declaration of Independence. Maybe we need to draw up another Declaration and send it to Congress.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Auto insurance is not the same ...
November 8, 2009 - 00:13 ET by metaphorsbwithuStates require people to purchase auto insurance IF they have a vehicle and if they want to drive on PUBLIC ROADS.
metaphorsbwithu
I do think any American
November 8, 2009 - 00:19 ET by ACWwho wishes to do so should be able to opt out of public or private insurance and manage their own health care and the cost.
Well ACW ...
November 8, 2009 - 00:45 ET by metaphorsbwithuThat's a moot point now, isn't it? If the Dems have their way, it won't matter what you think.
Got it?
metaphorsbwithu
or what you want...
November 8, 2009 - 00:47 ET by ACWguess it all comes to the same end.
Your State
November 8, 2009 - 00:30 ET by NorthCoasterYour State may require you to purchase auto insurance as a prerequisite for the priviledge of obtaining driving priviledges. There is no Federal mandate for carrying auto insurance. Any state may choose to impose this or any other requirement prior to allowing residents to drive. Some states allow a bond instead of insurance.
EDIT:
See this article that includes a discussion of this subject with Sen. Orrin Hatch.
http://www.cnsnews.c...
Auto insurance protects me
November 8, 2009 - 02:11 ET by ohiochilifrom people like you. If you plow your car into my car, you have to have insurance to pay for my loss. This health care crap does nothing to protect me from you and I have to pay for your coverage as well as mine. Think before you post next time.
If you don't have health insurance
November 8, 2009 - 03:10 ET by ACWand are injured or ill and need treatment you will get it regardless. Who do you think pays for that ?
The toothfairy !
Think before you post indeed.
Driving is not Living
November 8, 2009 - 05:01 ET by docjohn52Wait, I choose to drive and pay for the right, I choose to live and I pay or spend my life in prison.
They're gonna need more jails...
Why don't you come and get me, you're gonna need health insurance.
The law
November 8, 2009 - 07:43 ET by play21cwThe law doesnt require you to buy a car however, not everyone has a car and therefore not everyone is required to buy auto insurance. This bill will force EVERYONE to buy it
False ACW
November 8, 2009 - 11:40 ET by general companyThe law requirers that you have auto insurance.
No it doesn't, certainly not federal law. Is there a law in your State forcing you to own a car? Is there another law requiring you to purchase your insurance from the Government? Hardly the same now is it? Or are you going to play moron now?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
rbo... I agree...and it
November 8, 2009 - 00:03 ET by bigtimerrbo...
I agree...and it should be.
In the meantime until all of that time it takes to get that done, years possibly, think of the damage that will have already been done...in so many ways.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Damn those fools for
November 8, 2009 - 00:01 ET by stratmanDamn those fools for passing this POS.
Vote the SOB's out. All of them.
Evening strat... A very
November 8, 2009 - 00:07 ET by bigtimerEvening strat...
A very sad day indeed.
I pray it never passes any Senate Bill.
If it does...the conference committee will be horrendous on this country with what will be stripped out....as if it isn't bad enough to begin with.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
bigtimer: Evening to you
November 8, 2009 - 01:07 ET by stratmanbigtimer:
Evening to you as well. I am saddened, frustrated, angy and bitter at this moment. This garbage touches me doubly - personally and professionally.
I pray with you for the bill's failure in the Senate. It is an abomination that will worsen as these Leftists and complicit useful tools further flesh out the guidelines after it becomes law.
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The elitism demonstrated by the Majority party in tonight's
vote was stunning. They responded as if they were offended about the lack
of tort reform in their plan yet they offer no defense for the massive increase
in taxes, government bureaucracy and rationing their plan would create. Then they acted like they saved the world
when their ill-conceived deathblow to capitalism passed. Hope the U.S. Senate has enough sense to let
this travesty of a bill die.
yea,I shared that pain with a few NBers, on chatzy
November 8, 2009 - 00:21 ET by upcountrywaterNot a chance, the SENATE is well a bunch of commies..
ALOHA AMERICA
State controlled health care ! music video.(relax it pops open in another window)
Fire Fighter CO, if you want to remove the gibberish...
November 8, 2009 - 00:29 ET by R D Helm...from your post, turn off the rich text editor and you can delete the:
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Stuff.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Joesph Cao is a tool.
November 8, 2009 - 00:07 ET by Dc615657This man sold out the nation and the republican party because he thinks this is going to help him win reelection in 2010. He could barely beat a William Jefferson, a convicted felon.
What makes this idiot think that he could beat a democrat in 2010?
Dc... I hope they find a
November 8, 2009 - 00:13 ET by bigtimerDc...
I hope they find a real conservative repub to replace him...if possible.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
The problem
November 8, 2009 - 00:37 ET by ACWis that increasingly the south is the only area of the country where "real" conservatives can get elected and in states like Louisana, Florida it can go either way.
The district is gerrymannered to
November 8, 2009 - 00:50 ET by general companymake sure a$$holes like Cao and coldcash Jefferson get elected, a few from this district have left in disgrace
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Districts are gerrymannered
November 8, 2009 - 00:55 ET by ACWall of across the country to favor one party or the other. What's you point ?
I stated my point ACW
November 8, 2009 - 01:06 ET by general companyCant follow a thought proccess? Whats your point?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Well I say it again for you.
November 8, 2009 - 01:30 ET by ACWGerrymannered districts are not unique to one state or region. They exist throughout the country to serve one pary or the other. Now if you need more explanation just ask. I stand ready to help you understand the concept.
Wheres the question ACW?
November 8, 2009 - 11:34 ET by general companyDid I say gerrymandering was unique to my State? No I dont think I did, so again, whats your point?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Well good luck with that
November 8, 2009 - 08:08 ET by nwahsCao won in a gerrymandered district. If conservatives start winning the district, they'll re-gerrymander it!
Yep,
November 8, 2009 - 11:22 ET by general companyHow many from that district have gone to jail now, 2-3?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
This is 100% the work of
November 8, 2009 - 00:09 ET by wolfemanicThis is 100% the work of Washington corruption, and will it now steer the Senate? Strong case it will never pass, but if the effort is to fight fair with these turds, then its a losing strategy.
wolf... You got that
November 8, 2009 - 00:15 ET by bigtimerwolf...
You got that right!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
I said a few months ago we were a handful of congressional votes
November 8, 2009 - 00:19 ET by R D Helm...away from losing our America.
Forgive me, as I was hideously mistaken.
We are now but one vote away from national oblivion, and that will be the upcoming Senate vote on CommieCare.
Should this hideous bill pass the Senate, which is currently controlled by COMMUNISTS, the America we all know and love is finished.
Taking into consideration the House vote that took place just a short while ago, I'd say the chance of Senate passage is now 50/50.
Should it pass the Senate, you are not going to "fix" this come next November, nor at anytime thereafter.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
I hate to say it, but...
November 8, 2009 - 00:21 ET by KJ_sez...motherfuckingpieceofshitbastardsonsofwhores just voted to sell the citizenry into slavery. I honestly don't see an election fixing anything, especially if the senate passes this through reconciliation. Hell, there might not even be an election next year. At least not the kind that uses ballots...
OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake, America!
I honestly don't see an
November 8, 2009 - 00:24 ET by R D HelmI honestly don't see an election fixing anything, especially if the senate passes this through reconciliation.
Neither do I.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Post Vote Backslapping
November 8, 2009 - 00:27 ET by JohnnyinBostonIs there anything more nauseating than watching these Dems lavish praise on each other after passage of HR 3962?!? Acting as if they just yanked the American people back from the edge of a deadly precipice, when in fact the preponderance of their gutless caucus had to be bought off in order to vote for this abomination. Even if they had just passed a bill which was completely bipartisan and legitimately positive for the American people it would still be in terribly poor taste to act in this manner. Someone should teach these people the meaning of humility...or even how to spell the word.
However, to hear memeber after member repeat some variation of "Nancy Pelosi is the greatest speaker in the history of this chamber" made it all the more worthwhile. That gave me a heckuva good chuckle. In fact, I'm still laughing at the sheer preposterousness of the statement.
James K. Polk, Henry Clay, Joseph Cannon, Jonathan Dayton.....and Nancy Pelosi. Ah yes, a statesman - or woman - for the ages. Uggh.
Johnny, The count-down, really pissed me off
November 8, 2009 - 00:36 ET by upcountrywaterOh well ,I shared the pain with a few NBers in a chat room....
Sick man very sick....
Growing up, count-downs meant going to the heavens, the moon... this count down, is a direct path to hell....
Where were you when you heard the house, chant the count down?
State controlled health care ! music video.
Re: Johnny, The count-down, really pissed me off
November 8, 2009 - 00:42 ET by JohnnyinBostonHey Upcountry -
I should have been in that same chat room. During the countdown, I was hovered over white porcelain feverishly working to hold down all of my meals from this week. I was unsuccessful.
- Johnny
Fantastic...
November 8, 2009 - 00:44 ET by JohnnyinBoston....clip, by the way. Sadly apropos.
- Johnny
tyranny
November 8, 2009 - 00:45 ET by sudmufThis kind of tyranny and/or cap and trade will spark civil war.
I'm sure that someone has,
November 8, 2009 - 01:03 ET by KJ_sezI'm sure that someone has, in the last hour or so, surmized that there are at least 220 + 60 persons in this country's "leadership" that need .30-cal lobotomies. And I'd bet serious money there's more than one person with this thought.
Not here KJ
November 8, 2009 - 01:11 ET by general companyVery poor taste even in jest. Giving the commies ammo should not be our intention
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC, in case you haven't
November 8, 2009 - 01:46 ET by KJ_sezGC, in case you haven't noticed, the commies have all the ammo and they're using it against us. They don't need to take an obscure comment from someone like myself (of little to no account, according to them) and use it as "ammunition". Your tag line says you should understand at least that much.
Who said he's jesting?
November 8, 2009 - 05:12 ET by docjohn52I think he's right...
It's WAY past time to stop this...
Fine I'm Raaaaacist, and I'm not PC. Couldn't give a crap less. And we bought 9 BILLION rounds this year, up from the 7 Billion last year.
That's ammo you can believe in...
general company---
November 8, 2009 - 17:06 ET by matthewdeanI understand, I think, why you felt it necessary to chide what KJ_sez had to say at 1:03 ET, but sometimes, IMO, things must be said in a straightforward way that brooks no misinterpretation whatsoever.
Otherwise, every bit of air I breathe in brings with it the stench of political correctness.
I agree completely, not only with what both KJ and docjohn52 had to say, but with how they said it. I'm not sure, but I got the impression you were merely advising KJ along the lines of "be aware" of who might "tune" in.
If you disagree, general company, I not only respect your right to do so, I respect you for saying what you think.
I am sure you are aware that this administration, and the LibDems that are railed against in the threads on NB, are taking this Country in a direction many of us absolutely refuse to condone.
I say "many of us" because reportedly there are more conservatives than liberals in the U.S.
Politically speaking, I cannot believe what I see and hear coming out of Washington most days.
Whether or not the politicos in D.C. ARE stone deaf, arrogant, and elitist, or not; they certainly act that way.
I do not presume to speak for any conservative other than myself, but I know damned well I will NOT put up with the crap I see headed my way because of the moves of some clueless, ideological a**munches in Federal La-La land.
I will do what is required.
If it means taking weapon in hand, so be it.
Worked for my forefathers in their riddance of Britains' yoke in the mid 1770's.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
&%$#@!
November 8, 2009 - 01:03 ET by Free Stinker&%$#@!
And right behind this debacle.....
November 8, 2009 - 01:03 ET by Patrick MichaelIn the continuing leftist ploy to keep us totally offbalanced is the upcoming Climate Change bill from (of all people) Boxer and Kerry.
Stay Free!!!
The Saturday Night Massacre
November 8, 2009 - 01:37 ET by JohnnyinBostonThat's the only way I could describe this awful evening.
It's OK to be mad at the Dems, but just remember......
November 8, 2009 - 02:12 ET by big.league.sliderIt's OK to be mad at the Dems, but just remember that this whole federal healthcare spending debacle went unchecked, and got a big boost under GW and a Republican Congress. They had at least 4 years to nip it in the bud, and did nothing except make it worse. So blame Tom DeLay and Bill Frist if you want to blame someone.
"The problem with political jokes is they get elected." -Henry Cate VII (?)
Good grief
November 8, 2009 - 11:16 ET by general companyBlame Delay? No, I think I will put the blame squarly where it belongs, with Pelousy and her cult.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Senate
November 8, 2009 - 03:37 ET by expatriotGet on your senators and let them know that they won't be reelected. Good Grief!
Wow, I'm stunned.
November 8, 2009 - 03:45 ET by WesenSpending our money like drunken sailors, (no insult intended there boys). Pelosi was dressed like a Madam at the Mustang Ranch... so this this is what the end looks like.
Welcome to British
November 8, 2009 - 05:20 ET by Jack BauerWelcome to British Healthcare, America.
61 years since the UK National Health Service was "born" -- and they're still trying to "get it right."
Whole generations and been born, lived and died under the government run NHS, with a mind-numbing bureaucracy and the third largest workforce in the world -- and they are still trying to "get it right."
Population UK: about 65 million.
Population USA: about 300 million.
Good luck with that.
Crap. The Rocky Mountain
November 8, 2009 - 06:33 ET by wiwfCrap.
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
I think that the abortion
November 8, 2009 - 07:35 ET by ricklailI think that the abortion amemdment that the House put in will be stripped out by the Senate. When the House has to vote again it may not pass. If the final passage does not come until after the first of year it may not pass. When those Blue Dogs go home for Christmas they are going to hear about it. Will they listen.
Here's how they voted
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
Candlelight Vigilante
November 8, 2009 - 07:35 ET by jihowarI think we should all hold candlelight
vigilante's
in either our town square's, in front of our local representive's office that voted for this bill, or something of that nature next Saturday at 11pm est/10pm cst in rememberence of America since the Democrats can't see the light.
Anybody have any thoughts on this? Or, know how to get the word out to the masses about it?
Candlelight vigilantes??????
November 8, 2009 - 07:48 ET by motherbeltI'm sure you meant "vigils."
And frankly, I personally think candlelight vigils are ridiculous. As if holding a candle means anything.
Protests can be (and have been) held without the maudlin dramatics of the left.
your right...i meant
November 8, 2009 - 07:54 ET by jihowaryour right...i meant vigil's....and now the edit button is gone from my post, so I can't change it.
So what would happen?
November 8, 2009 - 08:06 ET by DragonsbreathIf everyone did not pay the taxes now that we are not represented by any elected official?
"While Americans died at Fort Hood, Obama had a good laugh..."
Do you really think that
November 8, 2009 - 10:20 ET by KJ_sezDo you really think that would keep them from borrowing and spending trillions more, all borrowed in our names, with us expected to pay the bill?
Another trillion +/-
November 8, 2009 - 09:23 ET by ACLUSUXHow does Oborrow spell IOU?
For LOTUS, words and
November 8, 2009 - 12:14 ET by KJ_sezFor LOTUS, words and numbers are malleable, meaning only what he wants them to mean. He spells I-O-U as T-A-X.
Hope that helps.
I cant believe this crap
November 8, 2009 - 09:28 ET by crazye78I cant believe this crap sandwich passed....the look on that moron Pelosi's face made me throw up in my mouth when I saw it. I heard that even if passed, this wont take effect until 2011 or something...does anyone else know the truth concerning this?
Since it passed...
November 8, 2009 - 09:45 ET by AnkharanThis is a sad day in history for America. Soon, we will be known as the USSA (United Socialist States of America).
While it still needs to hit the Senate I made a promise to some people and Monday morning I will be handing out termination notices. F*** you Congress, F*** you Obama, and most of all, F*** people of the USA who have no idea what freedom costs. You sold yourselves into slavery and I’m done with it. My business will sell, I already have offers from a national company, and I will be dumping it Monday morning. They will not be hiring locals that I have hired and it will hit this community hard.
I used to care, I used to believe that the US was something special. I isn’t. Just another government run robber society all prettied up to make people fall under the illusion of freedom. A government that can reach into your pockets any time they please are nothing less than thieves.
So shove it Congress. Shove it up your rear end. Tie for me to retire… not in the USA. You cannot have one more dime of my money to hand out a pittance to some people and retain the rest to line your pockets.
FU AMA. FU AARP. FU every single group that supported and lobbied for this. And for shame. Taking bribes to line your pockets while your members will suffer the consequences.
Too late for a revolution. This country has fallen into a shat hole of corruption and criminal leaders.
"Lest we Forget!"
November 8, 2009 - 10:00 ET by Patriot IINovember 7, 2009, the day the Republic of the United States of America died.......killed by a couple of hundred maggots in congress that signed in a bill in spite of millions of their constituents! These low life pondscum may well have just signed in anarchy!! imo
I believe in anks point
November 8, 2009 - 10:38 ET by ROSSMANBut I don't believe there is a word of truth in his B/S
Cao's statement last night on vote
November 8, 2009 - 10:53 ET by metaphorsbwithuI received this in an email press release from Rep. Cao last night. I fired back an email describing what he and the Democrats, if this is not overturned, had done ... and that he had finally lost my support:
Press Release:
Contact: Princella D. Smith - 202-225-6636
Washington, DC - Tonight, Congressman Anh “Joseph” Cao (LA-2) voted in favor of the comprehensive health reform bill, H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act.
Of his vote, Cao said: “Tonight, I voted to keep taxpayer dollars from funding abortion and to deliver access to affordable health care to the people of Louisiana.
Cao said: “I read the versions of the House [health reform] bill. I listened to the countless stories of Orleans and Jefferson Parish citizens whose health care costs are exploding – if they are able to obtain health care at all. Louisianans needs real options for primary care, for mental health care, and for expanded health care for seniors and children.
The bill passed the House at a 220-215 vote.
Cao said: “Today, I obtained a commitment from President Obama that he and I will work together to address the critical health care issues of Louisiana including the FMAP crisis and community disaster loan forgiveness, as well as issues related to Charity and Methodist Hospitals. And, I call on my constituents to support me as I work with him on these issues.
Cao said: “I have always said that I would put aside partisan wrangling to do the business of the people. My vote tonight was based on my priority of doing what is best for my constituents.
H.R. 3962 included the Stupak-Pitts Amendment, which will keep in place current federal law on abortion funding and conscience protections for health care providers.
Cao said: “Before the Stupak-Pitts amendment was adopted as part of this health reform bill, the bill failed to explicitly include the longstanding policy prohibiting federal funding of elective abortion and plans which include elective abortion.”
According to a letter from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops dated November 7, 2009, “The [Stupak-Pitts] Amendment will not affect coverage of abortion in nonsubsidized health plans, and will not bar anyone from purchasing a supplemental abortion policy with their own funds.”
Cao said: “Thank to the Stupak-Pitts Amendment, taxpayer dollars will not go to supporting elective abortions, and for thousands of my constituents, this was a top priority. By incorporating this amendment into the health reform bill, my colleagues and I made this bill better, and that is an achievement of which I will always be proud.”
Archbishop Gregory M. Aymond, the archbishop of New Orleans, said: “I am grateful to Congressman Cao for his courage and determination to defend life. I appreciate his work to prevent abortion from being included in health care reform and for protecting conscience rights of health care professionals. I – and, I am sure, many in New Orleans would join me – [I] appreciate Congressman Cao's commitment to the people of New Orleans."
Amazingly, Rep. Cao has claimed to have read the bill. I think all the schmoozing and attention he's received, radio and TV appearances he's garnered, pleas from people who say they need help, have gotten to him. In one sense he has a soft spot for the poor, said so in his campaign, but it has affected his better judgment. His newcomer status has blinded him in that he thinks he can trust the Democrats. He was ripe for plucking.
Now he will learn how he was just a useful tool.
If doctors performed like the Democrats in Congress...
November 8, 2009 - 12:32 ET by gopcongressIf doctors and medical professionals performed like the communists--er, democrats in the US Congress, they would be subject to the largest malpractice suit in history.
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Moderate... Democrat... Liberal... Progressive... Socialist... Communist—The progression is clear as day.
Threats don't accomplish much
November 8, 2009 - 13:15 ET by slickwillie2001I don't see threatening vulnerable democratics with likely defeat as all that productive. Some of them may even see themselves as expendable, and we know Princess Nan certainly does. Her seat is safe. Our Halfrican-in-Chief idiot on Saturday even compared those democratics that may lose their seats after voting for Obamacare to soldiers at war giving their life for a cause.
Any of those democratics are guaranteed a lifetime job in one of the 110 or so new committees which will be formed under Obamacare to regulate, ration, and socialize what was once the finest healtcare system in the world. They might also be offered an ambassadorship to a fine South Pacific or Caribbean country. I expect many of them won't bother running again. They are pawns, like those students that the Ayatollah of Iran sent across the minefields during their war with Iraq.
We need to focus our energies on finding viable candidates for the 2010 primary season. That's the hard work.
huh?
November 8, 2009 - 13:51 ET by WesenPut the energies into 2010... though you say the democrats are ready and willing to be defeated. If this is their "war" then waiting to reinforce as an opposition is akin to Barry's response in Afghanistan. Is this the best strategy?
alternatives
November 8, 2009 - 14:04 ET by WesenFine reading:
http://www.americant...