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The people I spoke to at the convention felt it was a sincere, tender discussion with Americans about his past, his love for country, and his devotion to the nation. How do you feel it went?





















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Cindy McCain
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:41 ET by GothampcI'm glad the GOP took the time to do a movie on Cindy McCain at the convention. I didn't know much about her and was impressed at what she has accomplished and glad to see she gets her hands dirty. If you believed the MSM, you would think she's just a rich, spoiled Stepford wife.
McCain speech at FightThePalinSmears.com
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:21 ET by pearlVideo and full highlighted text at FightThePalinSmears.com
I agree Gothampc - Cindy McCain is a geat asset
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:24 ET by Dee BunkLike a Princess Di as I've said before. She's lead an exemplary life in giving back to the world. Even Angelina Jolie has to admire her work.
Cindy WOW
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:18 ET by NoMoreClintonsI was really wowed by Cindy and I must admit I didn't know that much about her except that she is rich. I had no idea that she had this Princess Di type of mission going. Man, does she ever walk the walk. She will be a fantastic First Lady, with the potential to be the best in American history.
Sadly I missed the movie,
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:21 ET by BruzillaSadly I missed the movie, but it did it mention how she was technically John McCain's accountant (even though she had never been trained in such things) and her losing of all the financial records dealing with illegal funds received from Ketaing resulted in McCain getting a pass on any charges due to lack of evidence?
Did it mention how she became addicted to pain killers, and when doctors quit writing scripts for her she started stealing them from the children's health clinic she set up?
Did they mention how she got everything in the estate while her half-sister got nothing?
I know they had to have mentioned her hard-working dad, but did they detail how he grew his business via illegal liquor sales, got convicted of a felony, got hooked up with the mob, and still managed to get another liquor license?
I guess not.
Obama
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:40 ET by GothampcNo Bruzilla, they did not. And when the Dems had their convention, they didn't put in their movie anything about:
Rev. Jeremiah Wright spewing hatred
Obama's Rezko connections
Obama's terrorist connections with Ayers
Obama's coke snorting days
Why Obama doesn't talk much about his days at Columbia University
Obama's Muslim training
A little long but effective
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:46 ET by MrltavernI thought the speech was a little long, but it was compelling. I think the most compelling part was, the story. McCain has had a lifetime of service behind him and the scars to prove it. He's truly someone who's worked all of his life for this position and this moment.
I liked the fact that he didn't go off on a bashing tangent. To the McCain camp: keep making him look like the good guy. When I look at Mac I think of my Dad. Let Palin do the dirty work. She does it so well. Let Mac stick to the issues and emphasize his track record on reform.
I really enjoyed at the end when he fired up and yelled "fight with me". It's certain to me that he's not George Bush. I would exploit that claim and use it against Obama. Remember, they keep saying that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. But they don't mention that those votes were on non-issues like re-naming post offices, schools and stuff like that. Obama may find himself as voting with Bush on those issues too.
All and all he did a great job. Seriously, after Palin's performance, I didn't need to even hear from McCain.
Mr.L
What % of times did Obama
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:02 ET by Hero SquadWhat % of times did Obama vote with Bush?
Wouldn't it be very interesting if it was, say 75% of the time. Puts that 90% in perspective.
When he says McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time, that means he voted against him 10% of the time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not exactly lock-and-step with the President, is it?
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
RE:
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:42 ET by Mrltavernif you look at the voting closely the votes that make up for the 90% that McCain made with Bush are over bullshit issues. Obama has most likely voted with or agreed with Bush on some of those bullshit issues.
It was okay
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:51 ET by shawn228Not bad but it paled in comparision to Guiliani and Palin.
Real life video games are cool
I haven't seen McCain's
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:53 ET by taterI haven't seen McCain's speech yet (probably will watch a reply on the internet this afternoon) but all of the main speakers Thompson, Romney, Huckabee, Guiliani, Palin, and yes even Lieberman all did some pretty fine speeches.
www.theholyrosary.org
"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia
The bulldog and the pitbull
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:23 ET by docbwere put there to create excitement ---otherwise JonnyMAC comes across as monosylbic and flat flat flat...
McCain's speech
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:54 ET by candanceI give the speech a B- because it ran too long and started out slow. He gave some good ideas on education, taxes, and foreign policy, but he outright avoided global warming and skirted around immigration.
That said, I'm pretty much sold on voting for him, mostly for the sake of promoting Palin. As long as he doesn't majorly burn me before Nov 4.
PS - Goth is correct about Cindy. If McCain shows up as the man who wants to take Cindy and Sarah to Washington, he'll run away with it.
Interesting sidebar
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:17 ET by motherbeltInteresting sidebar: I wanted to check a quote and did a Google search for Sarah Palin Speech. Here is the page that came up....look at the very top link.
They are paying for that
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:05 ET by Hero SquadThey are paying for that privilege. I'd recommend clicking on the link. The fee the DNC pays Google grows as more people visit that page using the Google link.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Oprah
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:53 ET by GothampcOprah is balking at having Sarah Palin on as a guest. I guess this proves that race trumps sex in her case.
I wonder what she would do if the Dems got the Fairness Doctrine back? She'd be forced to have Palin on.
Come, you spirits That tend on mortal thoughts! unsex me here, And fill me from the crown to the toe, top-full Of direst cruelty;
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3os.htm
nice goth
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:57 ET by candancePretty sweet quote from Lady Macbeth there. Well played. :-)
goth...thanks for the Oprah connect, verification of my thoughts
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:10 ET by JayTeeSo Oprah is Hesitating, eh ? "Paris Hilton" is built upon the MSM pushing her Image....the Internet ALSO has that capability....it is SHOW AND TELL time for the Internet and Palin coverage.
You either cover "Rock Stars" no matter who they are....or you are an Editorial Propaganda TV show that is Bias in what/whom you put on your network show.
Make a Wrong decision Oprah . . . . and like Goth here has said......"Race trumps Sex" will be obvious to the most casual viewer....tsk..tsk..
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
This proves that people
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:19 ET by mattmThis proves that people like Oprah, who claim to be champions of women, or blacks etc. are really nothing but advocates for the Left.
Feminists hate Sarah but love Hillary. Yet Hillary is the one who got where she is via her hubby, whereas Sarah got where she is through her own hard work and tenacity. Feminists are not pro-woman, they are pro-Liberalism <period>
They also don't like her because she's not a dog like most of the leftist hags.
True, it all comes down to
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:34 ET by motherbeltTrue, it all comes down to liberalism.
That's why Rush calls the NAACP the NAAL(iberal)CP.
NOW should be renamed NOWOL...National Organization of Women on the Left.
You're right, matt...Conservatism has the babes!
Speaking of babes, what kind of moron describes his wife as "drop dead gorgeous" even if she is, as Joe Biden did? Doesn't that smack of "trophy" bragging?
Didn't she lose a lot of
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:34 ET by ricklailDidn't she lose a lot of viewers when she went in the tank for ZeroBama?
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Sarah Palin is far more
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:36 ET by bradbenj5952Sarah Palin is far more woman than any lefty, feminist hack could ever hope to be. They fear her because of the contrast that is obvious to anyone looking. Oprah is about to find out who butters her bread. If Oprah does have Governor Palin on, I predict it will be the highest rated Oprah show ever. If not, she will forever lose a huge segment of her viewership and sink her ratings...her choice. What Oprah also fears is that Sarah will capture the hearts of a large portion of her audience of America's women and Barack will lose the election. Barack cannot speak to the heart of women like Sarah Palin can.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31
Sarah Palin is far more
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:36 ET by bradbenj5952Sarah Palin is far more woman than any lefty, feminist hack could ever hope to be. They fear her because of the contrast that is obvious to anyone looking. Oprah is about to find out who butters her bread. If Oprah does have Governor Palin on, I predict it will be the highest rated Oprah show ever. If not, she will forever lose a huge segment of her viewership and sink her ratings...her choice. What Oprah also fears is that Sarah will capture the hearts of a large portion of her audience of America's women and Barack will lose the election. Barack cannot speak to the heart of women like Sarah Palin can.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31
Oprah lost half her audience
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:52 ET by pearlThe smears site is on this now.
If Only Oprah Read Newsbusters...
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:14 ET by Gothampc...she would have seen the revolt against US magazine and known how to proceed.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/05/us-magazine-hit-hard-canceling-subscribers-after-palin-attack
Oprah
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 14:27 ET by WVDinoI went to the Oprah site. There is a link to fill out a show idea. I suggested Sarah Palin as a guest since I'm also a Mom of a special needs child and work outside the home.
I know it is a waste of time but she needs to know her targeted views middle aged white females love Sarah Palin.
McCain's Speech
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:56 ET by ValariusI thought he was effective in contrasting himself against Obama. He is not an orator and admits it readily but he is dedicated to putting America first. I thought he made the energy issues we face as the starting point in turning our economy around. I hope he keeps that focus on developing domestic resources along with research and development of alternative energy sources. I feel the Republican's own that issue and along with McCain's stance on cutting spending along with tax cuts they could win this election. Of course it goes without saying now that having Sarah Palin on the ticket is a huge plus.
That was the best I've
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 09:57 ET by ConservativeRexThat was the best I've heard McCain speak. It touched all the bases it needed to and he did include some passion towards the end, which he needed to do. I think this GOP pairing is as tough a one as I've seen in a while. Zerobama has his hands full. I wonder how long Zerobama keeps Biden around? Biden could be another Thomas Eagleton.
The Big Sleep
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:02 ET by CrashEvery time the camera went for audience reaction shots people were yawning.
John, You are not a good speaker and you should never be allowed to give more than a twenty minute speech.
Crash
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:06 ET by Cool ArrowI stayed awake for it counting the number of times he did not say "my friends".
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
McCain is not the most
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:12 ET by SmartypantsMcCain is not the most dynamic speaker for sure, but his speech overall was very good. It was sobering and direct, and I think it was effective overall--in line with his message as the straight-shooter.
I don't know what you were watching, but I do not recall seeing anyone yawning during his speech, much less "every time" the camera "went for" the audience.
Substance over Style
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:31 ET by CrashWe were watching Fox, my wife pointed it out to me ... she's always right. :)
The one thing I will say is at least McCain speaks on substance. And I'll take that over style any day.
She's always right
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:35 ET by Cool ArrowYou have achieved a level far above self actualization. You are wise.
I still disagree with my wife from time to time. I am not wise.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
What's funny is ...
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:53 ET by Crash... when I tell her she's right, but, she didn't want me to point it out. Oh boy!
I realized years ago that women remember everything that I say to them. But nothing that I tell them.
McCain Speech: Gracious, smart and deeply personal
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:01 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasMcCain's speech was gracious, smart and deeply personal and just what was needed. John McCain did not need to "top" anything in his speech and in trying to do so he would have been saying, "What I am isn't enough".
Instead McCain bore his soul and gave a deeply personal speech that was heavily seasoned with grace and smartly addressed the issues. He didn't need to be Palin again, he needed to be The Maverick and he showed himself, fully.
As well McCain displayed himself, in contrast to Obama's "Eurolove" and shallow rhetoric, to be far deeper and mature and sincerely a man of gratitude for his country and devotion to its ideals and principles.
The answer to terrorism IS war. Next Please!
His speech was dull. I
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:08 ET by mattmHis speech was dull. I had to turn off the TV and listen to it over the radio. But it wasn't really meant to be a rouser.
It's easy to see which ticket wants to serve America and which ticket wants to rule America. I think the B. Hussein campaign is on the ropes and scared.
BTW - I wonder how Hillbilly feels. She's off the ticket and the GOP has a woman who got where she is - not via her husband, but by her own efforts; a woman who can look good in a skirt, but still be tough; a woman who can speak with the conviction of substance rather than just hubris.
If McCain wins and holds true to his one-term committment it could be Palin vs. Hilly in 2012. It would be Dorothy vs. the Wicked Witch - that would be fun to see.
Are You 14? Just Asking.
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:57 ET by pumapurrYou sound like a 14-year-old boy. To take every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and turn it into a rant exposing your whimpering fear of Hillary (what happened, did mom yell at you too much?) seems at odds with a grown man.
Hillary is a great American. Sarah Palin is a great American. John McCain is a great American. And they all gave great speeches. Period.
I don't doubt you found it dull, because it pales in comparison to your nightly romps with your Xbox alternated with cyberporn. It "wasn't meant to be a rouser"? It was a rouser. Just not the kind you like.
And have some respect. Obama is an egoist and coreless. But referring to him as "Hussein" exposes you, not him, as contemptible.
If you are indeed not 14, then grow up. Be a man like John McCain. Stand with him. Btw, he respects Hillary.
Hillary is a shady
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:32 ET by mattmHillary is a shady character who should have been prosecuted for malfeasance, insider trading and obstruction of justice. She is a polical hack whose every move in life has been to gain power for herself. She stayed with Bill for political reasons only. She is the antithesis of a great American.
Hussein is Obama's middle name.
And, judging by that x-box/porn crack, you sound like a self-absorbed half-wit.
What are you - 8 years old?
Hillary Has a Zombie Heart! It's True!
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 19:47 ET by pumapurr>Hillary is a shady character
ad hominem. She is also stinky and rotten.
>who should have been prosecuted for malfeasance, insider trading and obstruction of justice.
You left out her betrayal of the mole people. And many other grievous misdeeds and murders most foul, which are shocking yet nonetheless true and shall be proven so one day! Real soon. Any day now.
>She is a polical hack
Right. Given her standing as one of the most successful and powerful political figures in the country who just got a record 18 MILLION votes, it stands to reason.
>whose every move in life has been to gain power for herself.
That's normal and desirable for those that have drive. Ambition. Spark. You should look into it. You've got to get out of mom's basement someday!
>> She stayed with Bill for political reasons only.
How do you know? That's about as personal as a decision gets. Maybe she still loved him. Not really any of your business, is it? You sit in judgement of someone's lifelong marriage? Someone you've never even met. I think not. Step down.
>>She is the antithesis of a great American.
No, you are. You are sexist, small minded, hateful, judgmental, and mean in spirit; the antithesis of McCain , Hillary, and Palin. The antithesis of what they believe in.
>Hussein is Obama's middle name.
Everyone knows. But to use it is cheap. McCain does not.
>And, judging by that x-box/porn crack, you sound like a self-absorbed half-wit.
Full wit.
>What are you - 8 years old?
Yes, but don't take that tone with your elders.
You start with an insult
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 21:32 ET by mattmYou start with an insult and then accuse me of ad hominem attacks on Ms. Cattle Futures/Whitewater?
Calling her 'shady' is being polite.
What a sad, blind hypocrite you are.
No, you started with an insult
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:32 ET by pumapurr>You start with an insult>September 5, 2008 - 21:32 ET by mattm
>You start with an insult
No, you did. Many, directed at Hillary. Remember? Oh, I guess you should be immune from criticism when you smack people in the face, like... Obama? Nice company.
>and then accuse me of ad hominem attacks on Ms. Cattle Futures/Whitewater?
Uh, yes. And that's circular reasoning. "How can you accuse me of calling someone guilty when that very person is called guilty by me!"
>Calling her 'shady' is being polite.
No more polite than it is to call you shady. Are you? She could, and with the same amount of evidence.
>What a sad, blind hypocrite you are.
There's a big difference between leveling ad hominem attacks on a sexist blog dweeb and a great American woman. Do you really think the two of you are comparable? Really? Your current biography next to hers. Thought so.
Yes. I made an attack on
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:57 ET by mattmYes. I made an attack on Hillary - first of all referring to actual events - or weren't you aware of the many scandals she was directly involved in? Secondly as an attempt at a humorous comparison between literary characters.
As a powerful person in the news Hillary is fair game - especially considering the ad hominem attacks she herself has levelled against her political opponents over the years.
But, instead of attacking my ideas with facts to counter my claims, you attacked me personally. And then you compound your error by accusing me of being guilty of what you are in the very act of practicing - and at a much more gutter level at that.
And you can't even see your own hypocrisy...as I said in another response, you must be frosted that Palin out-did Clinton on the feminism scale, since Hillary married into power, whereas Palin earned it. So I can see why Hillary-worshippers might be a bit touchy and would blow a cork at the tiniest slight to Ms. Clinton.
Puma
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 19:41 ET by UphillYour comments were uncalled for. mattm has been making great posts here for a long time. And...it's HIS opinion.
Uphill
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 19:42 ET by BlondeThe newbies have no manners. Obviously.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
He must be from Tallahassee.
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 19:48 ET by UphillHe must be from Tallahassee.
A Nole.
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 19:51 ET by BlondeHow true!
Why didn't I think of that?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Or Columbus.
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 19:58 ET by UphillOr Columbus.
I guess they're allowing
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 21:35 ET by mattmI guess they're allowing free internet access in St. Paul jails.
Called for. So is this.
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:03 ET by pumapurrWrong. My comments were called for by his incredibly rude comments. And it is MY opinion. He's been posting here for a long time? So? I've been using my toilet for a long time.
And if by "great posts" you mean unchecked bashing of a woman who is a hero and role model to millions, while little boys stand by sniggering and snorting and saying, "Yeah, like she's the wicked witch!", then he *should* be called on it. And hard. I guess he'll just have to buy a cup-- and good luck on finding one small enough to fit.
By the way, I take the exact same tack and tone with scurrilous attacks on Bush.
I also referred to Sarah
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:32 ET by mattmI also referred to Sarah Palin as "Dorothy"...it was meant as a comparison...or is that too difficult a concept for you to grasp?
But I think I understand where your outrage really comes from. Palin earned her success, whereas Hillary married hers. A pro-life conservative republican just "out-feminized" the biggest feminist star to date. That must really grate on the Hillary-worshippers.
Oh, a comparison!
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:50 ET by pumapurrHa! A comparison where Hillary is the wicked witch. Palin did earn it. By the way- I am voting for Sarah - she is the real deal! But Hillary earned it too. And Palin is also a feminist. I am being hyperbolic in my criticism of you- so take it with a grain of salt. It's mostly for fun, and I do respect your opinions at some level, and your right to them.
All I'm saying is back up a bit and try to see Hillary the way others do. It's like opera. I don't care for it (to put it mildly) but millions do. Maybe I should try to listen now and then for what they hear -- and not just hate it. They do hear something.
Peace!
--Rootin' and Tootin' for McCain/Palin '08
What does that mean, "real
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:52 ET by balboaWhat does that mean, "real deal"?
Someone not manufactured by
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:57 ET by PeskyDaneSomeone not manufactured by a panting left-wing press. You appear to be getting desperate.
Just asking for a
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:00 ET by balboaJust asking for a definition. I hear that thrown around all the time.
She's different, but she's still a politician.
I'm sorry but I can't see
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:13 ET by mattmI'm sorry but I can't see Hillary as anything other than a power-hungry liar and a crook, who among many other things, destroyed a man's reputation (remember Billy Dale?) merely to make it look like she was not engaging in cronyism.
Taken Under Advisement
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:01 ET by pumapurrAll right. I'm willing to at least try to see her a bit more in the guise of a typically corrupt politician. Even so, I wager I'll still see her as Lincoln compared to THE ONE.
I gotta draw the line somewhere!
You know, comments like
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:22 ET by RESTLESS 1You know, comments like yours give PopTech a good name. He is right in one sense: some are making her out to be the right wing messiah. Come on. SHE IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. At least not yet. You are voting for McCain, not Palin.
Now, I like her as the pick, but can we do away with the over the top adulation for at least a little while?
BTW purr, not aimed at you personally. I just want to take a step back and see how she does. Being in the middle of a presidential campaign will prove or disprove her.
If she comes through like the champ I suspect she will, then all I'll have to say is "Palin '08!!!".
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I just want to take a step
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:29 ET by balboaI just want to take a step back and see how she does.
Absolutely. That's a statement I can agree with. One speech, and suddenly Palin is every bit the Messiah that Obama claims to be.
Dammit Bal. I was trying to
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:33 ET by RESTLESS 1Dammit Bal. I was trying to edit my comment to say "Palin '12!!!", but you were replying.
(BTW, I must admit some trepidation when you and I agree ;>))
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Yeah, it's spooky when that
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:38 ET by balboaYeah, it's spooky when that happens. A brief calm in the messageboard storm. :-)
You're right bal
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:39 ET by Cool ArrowThe extent to which this is all so much wishful thinking cannot be misoverestimated.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Balboa
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:54 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Well, the difference is that OUR messiah has actually cured some lepers. Yours just talks as if he has. :-) ns
Curing lepers, Noel?
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 01:04 ET by Cool ArrowIf Biden makes it through the campaign without plagiarizing or sticking his foot in his mouth, will you concede Obama can cure a ham?
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
"I've been using my toilet for a long time."
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:49 ET by UphillGlad to hear the potty training went well.
"I've been using my toilet for a long time."
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:54 ET by UphillOr...
Maybe it's time to get off the pot.
Thought it was very good
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:09 ET by athoughtor2Thought it was very good for McCain, comparing it to others speeches he has made. But when you compare it to Palin and the others, it was only good. Obam's short on substance long on style speech was much better in terms of presentation than McCain's. A teleprompt speech is not his strong suit.
It was too long and seemed a little state of the Union at times. But the message was there and it was relatively clear.
Three points and change
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:13 ET by KC MulvilleA Town Hall-style
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:12 ET by Hero SquadA Town Hall-style acceptance speech might have been a brilliant move last night. Imagine that he starts with what looks like a prepared speech, then stops a few minutes in, grabs a mic, comes down and just talks off the cuff with the audience about important issues for a half hour.
Would've been stunning and memorable, like when Elvis Costello was on SNL in the '70s, stopped a song a few bars in, then played "Radio Radio" - which he had been specifically requested not to play.
Actually, it would've been much bigger than that.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Maybe
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 15:15 ET by KC MulvilleOn the other hand, there's no guarantee that if you put a microphone in front of a random member of the audience that he wouldn't ask you about your favorite Italian food. The TV viewing audience would then immediately switch to ESPN.
The podium-style speech is the method you use when you want to control the message. It's really the one time you can speak without fear of contradiction, unless you're a Democrat not on Fox. Of course you could plant ringers in the audience. But then, what would you be gaining? It would be as controlled as the podium style.
Since giving speeches is an important skill for a president, this is kind of like hitting a curve ball. He's just going to have to get better at it. I think we can just grin and bear it when McCain has to speak from a podium, and then enjoy ourselves when he hammers Obama in direct debate.
We know who McCain is, we don't need to watch/listen
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:53 ET by JayTeeMcCain doesn't need to pull a large audience of "uninformed" people ... we know who he is.
The Old media in the 1970's built his image.....the NEW media needs to start Building "Heroes" from Iraq.....because the MSM is done with their ? ? The Iraq MIA......MSM War coverage.
People do not need to tune in to the RNC coverage for McCain's final speech, they know him...meanwhile...Obama is still an Unknown entity.....like Palin...
Palin is blowing Obama's doors off, as she races past him on a Snow Sled pulled by Huskys, Women voters, and Hillary's Obama haters...
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Republicans aren't suppose to care about the poor
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:27 ET by Mica the MagnificentCouldn't help but notice the difference between the Hillary beast who 'fought for children for 30 years,' whatevcer that means, and accomplished nothing, and Cindy McCain who not only went into the belly of poverty throughout the world to help, but adopted two of the children.
And I'm sure the secret service found MSNBC credentials on those Code Pink commies.
The Speech
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:27 ET by KTI didn't watch the speech last night. I was sleeping, but please tell me how did McCain sound? Did he blow everyone out of the water? Did the crowd nuts?
Drudge has a statement that Rasmussen shows Palin more popular
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:29 ET by Dee Bunkthan Obama or McCain but the link doesn't work for me. It says developing
He does that Dee
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:31 ET by Cool ArrowDrudge often puts out a teaser headline to "own" the scoop while writing up the story and fleshing out details.
Drudge rocks.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Interesting Cool Arrow...informative. The new media competes
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:52 ET by JayTeeThe Druge New media Lead in....."we now interrupt your browsing for breaking news" more to follow.
The Search Engine "count" Manipulation of a Story the MSM will NOT report, until it is "Obvious to the most common Net Observer"
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Yeah, JayTee
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:57 ET by Cool Arrow"Developing" just means "keep checking back with us"
"We interrupt your browsing to announce we will be interrupting your browsing again later"
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Poll
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:03 ET by GothampcHe is linking to the latest Rassmussen poll.
Saw a clip of Obama on The
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:35 ET by ckc1227Saw a clip of Obama on The Factor last night, and in the clip he stated that the surge had succeeded beyond everyone's expectations, which he then followed by saying it failed to achieve what it was expected to achieve.
Say what? So, it did better than what was expected, but it didn't do what was expected? Alrighty then.
Despite Obama trying to play both sides of the fence, the reality is 15 of the 18 political goals have been met as a result of the surge. Only a partisan hack would consider that a failure.
I believe we need to take
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:37 ET by ConservativeRexI believe we need to take a NewsBusters vote on whether now is the time to pull out of Chicago! We suffered many more murders in Chicago this summer then deaths in Iraq over the course of the summer. I say it's time we got out of Chicago now!
ConRex
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:43 ET by Cool ArrowI believe the percentage quoted was "almost twice as many American violent deaths in Chicago last month"
Chicago must really miss their "Community Organizer".
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Chicago Community Organizer
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:11 ET by GothampcObama is so selfish to leave those poor, disenfranchised people in Chicago for a desk job in Washington DC. He was doing such a fine job there and to just up and leave them probably ripped a hole in their hearts the size of the Grand Canyon. I know I'd be hurt if the government took away my only means of help.
Rex
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:16 ET by ricklailHere is a stat that you will not hear in the MSM. Since the first of this year 8 Marines from Camp Lejeune have been killed in motorcycle accidents. I don't know how many others have been killed in car wrecks. I usually read about one a week. Is this more than the Marines killed in Iraq in the same time frame?
This should be our ralling cry. OUT OF CHICAGO NOW.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Stupid Liberal Chicks
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:50 ET by CrashWhat's wrong with the Wilson sister's? They probably received more iTunes downloads for their crappy song than they'll be able to add up in their collective bimbo heads.
"Igore, help me with the bags."
"Soitenly. You take the blonde, I'll take the one in the turban."
Wilson Sisters
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:59 ET by Cool ArrowNah, the one in the turban looks too much like Rosie O'Donnell.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Music
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:59 ET by GothampcThese two old cows should be greatful. When was the last time anyone listened to Heart? This introduced the group to millions of people under the age of 40. I just hope this doesn't embolden The Bangles. If "Eternal Flame" gets out there, we're all doomed. And don't even start me on Bonnie Tyler and "Holding Out For A Hero". The uproar could send us straight back to the 1980s.
Protesters
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:51 ET by eL DubyaDid every channel have the same camera feed and show the protesters longer then needed??
McCain handled the distractions well, I thought, but what the heck, that first guy in black was there for like 10 minutes! Why wasn't security better, and dragging that guy out right away? Same with the crazy pink lady, there seemed to be one security guy taking his time escorting her outta there.
What the lunatic fringe
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:10 ET by CrashWhat the lunatic fringe fails to realize is that if they were really oppressed, they would have been taken out back and shot in the head. It works for Putin.
And if the Republican way were really as regressive as "artists" dream up, their music would never be heard and we'd be listening to Andy Williams, The Osmands, or Orin Hatch. Plus, the left has done far more to oppress than the right.
Also
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:45 ET by Copperhead RidgeIn the old days, the protestors would've had the squeeze beaten out of them by some delegates in the back corridors of the arena. I knew some old timey politicians who would've gladly done it. They were members of both parties, by the way. One was about 6'6" tall and held a very important office here in Kentucky. At a speech one night, he got me by the lapels of my suit coat and shook me and wouldn't let me go. I was on his side, too.
My take on the protestors is that they do more harm to their cause than good. They feel good about what they've done, and they can brag about it while smoking blunts with their admiring cronies in a student slum apartment in some college town. In the end, though, they've harmed their movement. It doesn't matter to the navel gazers on the left, though.
I hope the authorities in Minnesota impounded their Priuses (c.s.).
Protests
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:07 ET by GothampcI would almost stake a million dollars (if I had it) that members of the MSM gave passes to these protestors.
PASSES
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:38 ET by billbAMEN!
From what I've heard......
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:04 ET by BEGRUNTit was MSNBC that gave those wack jobs passes. If that turns out to be correct.....sanctions should be applied to MSNBC......maybe taking away their pass privileges. This isnt the first time MSNBC has done this.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Good call, Goth....
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:45 ET by eL DubyaGood call, Goth....
The ability to repeat words
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:51 ET by bassndudeThe ability to repeat words written on a sheet of paper is somewhat important. What is more important is the words themselves. I would not grade a speech by the delivery, but by content. The speech was good, made the points he intended to make, and told us what he would try to do while president. Most of it I agree with, a few points I take issue with. But for John, it was well done. He is not a great speech giver, but he is an effective speaker when just talking to people. Sara, on the other hand, gives a great speech, I just hope she is effective in a debate. I think she will do fine, tho. Anyone that can wing it on a public stage, has got to be pretty quick.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
CNN just reported that
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:52 ET by ConservativeRexCNN just reported that thousands of miles away Zerobama's brother was spotted in his hut in the middle of Kenya trying to start a fire with two rocks. Story developing.
It was effective
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:56 ET by Adam_MENot a great speech. I don't even know if I'd call it good. But that's not McCain's strong suit. What it did do was reinforce what I've always felt was the key difference between McCain and Obama. No, not the way they look or how they sound or what their political views are. It's that McCain is real. He's genuine. I certainly have my disagreements with the man(notice how the words "illegal immigration" or "border security" never once came up last night?), but I trust him. I know him. I believe in him.
Obama's been running for President for over a year and a half, and I still have no idea who this man is. It's partly due to the complete lack of any legislative record to examine. It's partly due to the media doing a poor job vetting him. It's partly due to multiple positions he's taking on issues(finally admitting the surge has worked being the latest example). You add all that up and what we have is an enigma. An unknown. Do we roll the dice and put someone like that in the Oval Office in a time like this?
Ultimately I believe as I always have that the debates are what will really decide this election. No teleprompters, no raucous crowds, no talking points, no rhetoric. Just three men and one woman discussing where they'll take this country. And this is where McCain feels most at home, so I have the utmost confidence he can seal the deal.
It's the Economy Stupid!
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:04 ET by billbWhen I say stupid, I mean STUPID! I just watched a bit of political "mud wrestleing" on CNBC. I can't believe these McCain spokes people are running around loose! He was like a deer in the headlights. The democrat gave his talking points and Haynes asked the McCain guy how all this happened after the Bush tax cuts. He mumbeled his talking points which were STUPID as I said before. This financial situation is world wide. Did the Bush tax cuts cause Japan and Europe go down the drain? Com'on guys, Nicolle Wallace can't do it all.
Unfortunately, McCain has
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:22 ET by CrashUnfortunately, McCain has been on the "one world economy" bandwagon for years. Why would she bring light to that folly?
"Did the Bush tax cuts
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:33 ET by ckc1227"Did the Bush tax cuts cause Japan and Europe go down the drain? Com'on guys, Nicolle Wallace can't do it all."
Even if it were just here, blaming tax cuts for a slowing economy just doesn't make any sense.
A Quickie Shrub Report
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:22 ET by Roger the ShrubberOh no, do you want four more years of the failed Bush policies?
You stay classy, Lefties!
A Culture of Corruption Update.
Today's Iraq is a Quagmire! Update.
Sid the Kid was given the Order of Nova Scotia yesterday.
It was 234 years ago today that the first Continental Congress met in Philadelphia.
In 1939, the US declared its neutrality.
In 1975, Squeaky tried to kill President Ford.
But, more importantly, it was today, 62 years ago, that Farrokh Bulsara was born in Zanzibar. Who? You may know him better as this man.
The Pic of the Day.
And, finally, I KNEW I had seen Governor Palin before...
Liberal Cowardice, Part IV
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:36 ET by LionKingApparently Harpo Winfrey is afraid to have Governor Palin on her show. She would rather brandish her own version of censorship rather than allowing her viewers to hear views different from hers and Barry's...
Gee, Oprah, what are you afraid of? Are you afraid that Governor Palin's platform might be more palatable to the average American?
THE SKY IS FALLING!!
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:37 ET by GothampcReading this breathless screech about unemployment is why I no long trust the media.
The unemployment rate was 5.7% in July, then jumped to 6.1% in August. MSM presents this as the highest jump in five years. So I guess what they are saying is that the Bush economic plan has really been working well.
Almost at the very end they put this little gem: "Workers saw wage gains in August, however." I'm sure if they had the ability, they would have put that as a footnote in the tiniest print possible.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080905/economy.html?.v=9
Laura Ingrahm said early
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:38 ET by ckc1227Laura Ingrahm said early numbers show McCain drew more viewers last night than Obama.
Developing.....
Sarah Palin
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:03 ET by GothampcVP Palin drew only about a million less than Obama. And she didn't have Greek columns to work with.
She was also on 4 fewer
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:26 ET by ckc1227She was also on 4 fewer networks.
Cool
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:41 ET by GothampcWow, I didn't know that part. It makes it all the more a win for Sarah. Do you know which networks didn't broadcast her?
Any Mention of "Climate Change" ? ? ?
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:39 ET by JayTee66 degrees in Texas at 10 am where I am....
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Same Here
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 14:23 ET by JoelCTSame here. I worked from home today here in Round Rock, and had the house open up until about 10 AM. Very Nice. I love Global Warming!
OPIE the HILDABEAST and STRETCH all HASBEENS
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:57 ET by rick007The CUDA and Sindy are now Americas first ladies .And of course there is "LAURA"
Both tower over the other three mentioned above.
O Dumby
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:08 ET by rick007O Dumby gathered a huge croud at the stadium.
Did he mention free beer free rock show free fireworks? NOOOOOOOOOOO
He thinks they came to see him
Good, Right, and Decent
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:18 ET by kilrod"The people I spoke to at the convention felt it was a sincere, tender discussion with Americans about his past, his love for country, and his devotion to the nation."
That purty much says it for me, Ole Mac is a good and decent man and a great leader, who stands for whats good, right, and decent. The brilliant moves his campaign has made in the last 30 days remind me of the brilliant tactics of Lee, Jackson, and Forrest during the War Between the States.
kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
Camera Shots
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 12:37 ET by RJWallI watched it on ABC and it seems they went out of their way to get shots of protesters and people that appeared dis-interested. They kept cutting to a shot of a protester in the balcony holding a "McCain votes against vets" sign - they must have cut to him 3 or 4 times. The final time they showed him he was no longer holding the sign so they had to troll to find another protester (the code pink wacko). Of course the camera followed her all the way out of the hall - I'm betting they were hoping she would trip so they could blame the crowd for "roughing her up".
anyone hear that the band Heart is all bent out of shape
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:01 ET by pmohbuckover mccain's campaign using the song "barracuda" for sarah pahlin?
i find it particularly ironic that the band, which was established in canada because that is where lead singer ann wilson's boyfriend fled to avoid service in vietnam ... meanwhile, across the pacific, john mccain is rotting in a filthy prison cell. what a pathetic piece of trash this woman is ... a wealthy pop-singing celebrity attempting to slap down someone who's life has been spent sacrificing himself for the likes of a fleabag like her.
i'm sure wilson and her ilk would be surprised of the number of people she doesn't agree with ... that bought her albums and made her a wealthy woman. only in america could a draft-dodging sympathizer have the gall to deny a war-hero from using her song in a public venue ... i wish nothing but ill-will on all of them.
Why would a war hero want to use a song by a draft dodger?
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 15:49 ET bypmohbuck,
Just for accuracy, the statement by the Wilson sisters should be stated...
"Sarah Palin's views and values in NO WAY represent us as American
women. We ask that our song 'Barracuda' no longer be used to promote
her image. The song 'Barracuda' was written in the late 70s as a
scathing rant against the soulless, corporate nature of the music
business, particularly for women. (The 'barracuda' represented the
business.) While Heart did not and would not authorize the use of their
song at the RNC, there's irony in Republican strategists' choice to
make use of it there."
As you can see..."barracuda" represents corporate business practices towards women...why would they want to use such a song anyway if the GOP is trying to garner women to support the ticket?
I've got to tell you...your line of thought doesn't make much sense.
McCain should have vetted the song's meaning with more care...and received permission to use it...instead of more distractions for his campaign.
Ubercon
The song Barracuda is a
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 15:49 ET by Dan The Man 2The song Barracuda is a good song with atchy lyrics. Just because Heart doesnt want it to be used is reason to use it more. A stick in the eye so to speak. Who care what you or a couple Candian twits think anyway.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Obama used the song Bush used...
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 15:56 ET byWhy no problems from the Artists, Brooks & Dunn for the song "Only In America" used by Obama?
It was odd, yet, on the same vent as a "stick in the eye" like you said only it was a week before the RNC.
Hmmm...interesting to see how this all plays out...
Ubercon
Why no problems from the
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 16:28 ET by Dan The Man 2Why no problems from the Artists, Brooks & Dunn for the song "Only In America" used by Obama - It doesnt matter what any group thinks as they are getting paid for the use of that song. As all those groups gets royalties for its use and they have no control over the play of teh song as long as they do. Perhaps Brooks and Dunn realize this and are glad to recieve teh royalties.
Perhaps the twits from Canada dont understand a contract they signed and want the nanny state to save them from it.
So Ubercon what is your beef in this anyway.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
My point...what contract?
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 16:46 ET byThere's no contract nor documentation for authorization for the use of copyrighted materials.
It sounds like the artists were not compensated nor asked to use the song thereby infringement upon their property rights. You can not have it both ways...obtaining copyrighted materials without gaining proper authorization, no matter what you think, is illegal and if we are the party which upholds individual and corporate laws, the rule of law, this song should have been properly attained legally.
Ubercon
Perhaps
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 17:07 ET by Mr. BishopHowever, there is no law restricting the use of any music within a political campaign. A campaign does not have to seek permission from the creators of the song to use it within their campaign. Sure, musicians can request, or even demand, that a campaign stops utilizing their music, but overall -- they have little on the side of the law, that would support their demands. The First Amendment and Fair Usage laws, allow that a campaign can utilize a song for their campaign.
What I find interesting, my self -- is that musicians who demand the ability to say what they wish, whenever they wish, to whomever they wish, gets their panties in a bunch when their music is used for a political campaign. Get over it...
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Again...
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 17:35 ET bywhich feeds the media cycle of the MSM...as we discuss this topic in a civil way about the laws pertaining to copyrighted materials. Thanks by the way, I stand corrected about political campaigns and songs, the commoner/non-blogger will be fed a line of bullshit about the musician and the unauthorized use of their material. When you want crap for news, feed it with this topic...I'm sure we'll see it pop up in the next few days whether its pro or con...it's going to be news.
Ubercon
Im pretty sure the GOp
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 18:05 ET by Dan The Man 2Im pretty sure the GOp convention and campigns have a contract with BMI/ASCAP to play the music they want without impunity. Nonetheless the copyright laws in teh USA allow a certain amount of play of a song or clip also within guidelines established by such laws. I personally am not familiar with the laws on the subject. I hear that Jackson Browne tried and died in court.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Political hay for the opposing side...
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 20:01 ET byA topic they did not need...another distraction, another way to alienate more likely voters who are on the fence.
Ubercon
Tropical Storm Hannah
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:12 ET by ricklailThings are starting to rock and roll around here with Hannah. The first bands of rain have moved ashore and several tornaodes have been reported near the coast, Morehead City. I was just told that I am going to have to be here all night so how better to spend the time than reporting on what Hannah is doing. I'll use this post to send out any severe weather events. as long as our generators operate we'll have power. This could be a long night.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Good thoughts
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 14:39 ET by RukusNothing but good thoughts to you. Hope it goes well. Hang in there. Let us know how it's going. Good luck.
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Good luck
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 14:44 ET by Mr. BishopSome many years ago, I happened to be stuck, as a child, in several hurricanes. I tended to simply sleep through them, but I also know how violent they can be. Good luck to you, and hang in there. If you get bored, write your auto-biography -- it worked for Obama...
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Stay safe, Tarheel!
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 18:45 ET by Roger the ShrubberStay safe, Tarheel!
Hats off to Obama for
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:19 ET by BuffNBoneHats off to Obama for finally showing up on BOR's show.
I was switching between the Giants-Skins game and may have missed some of the context. He was direct and effective with BHO, kinda like the less self-absorbed BOR of old. The teaser is next week is gets better, we'll see. When the left begins quoting Obama said on O'Reilly, I suspect they'll be selective. But I hope some of the middle of the road crowd tunes in.
I would like to know (if it isn't secret) what the rules of engagement (RoE) were for the interview.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Obama Interview
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:45 ET by GothampcI watched Part 1 on Thursday night. I didn't feel that part was as good as Hillary Clinton's interview. BO'R seemed too intent on getting Obama to say he was sorry for voting against the war.
I agree with you on the
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 13:53 ET by BuffNBoneI agree with you on the first point. On the second I think BOR was fishing for an unconditional "the surge worked" from him and that he was wrong.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
>>>Hats off to Obama for
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 20:55 ET by seanrobins>>>Hats off to Obama for finally showing up on BOR's show.
Why? because ol' gutless o'Bambi is finally scared to death enough to realize that he needs to do SOMETHING???
>>>He was direct and effective with BHO, kinda like the less self-absorbed BOR of old.
Nah, I don't agree. Billy-boy is still soooo hell-bent to try and make himself look independent (even from those with whom he agrees) that he has long since stopped making good sense. I frequently find myself at odds with his nonesensical points of view.
Bill take everything Bambi had to say at face value... as if Barry's answers were truthful answers. This is what the msm normally does. They ask a question, allow words to emit from the interviewee's mouth, and go on to ask the next question, the answers having gone in one ear and out the other.
Bill did this in the interview. What a waste of time. Fir instance: BHO says that there has been no political reconciliation among the Iraqi factions... and that answer is almost not questioned.
Oy vay!
sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com
low point
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 20:46 ET by seanrobinsI think the lowest point of McCain's acceptance speech was this unmitigated BS he says he proposing for people who have to "retrain" for new careers. Proposing that "we" make up for the difference between the pay of the old job and a lower-paying new job.
What a load of horse you-know-what.
McCain need to stop kicking those of us who are desperate enough to keep O'bambi and O'biden out of the White House that we will even vote for thie not-so-closeted social liberal.
What a nightmare: "Make-up" pay for people who move into NEW jobs in a different job sector who are paid less. Please Dear God, save us from this nonesense.
Sarah, of Sarah! Please work some magic on the Maverick and get him under control.
Sarah Palin, we are all hoping will be able to do something with McCain when they get into the White House.
"Make-up" pay, Dear God... Please kill me now!!!
sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com
Getting bored
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 20:52 ET by ricklailIt is 8:45 and the stars are shining brightly under this Carolina blue sky. It hasn't rain in over 2 hours. No wind. I want to go home and get in my bed. Hurry, hurry Hannah. Big football watching day tomorrow. How about them Gators and the crooks from UM? UM was crooked many years ago. I think it has gotten worse under the leadership of Donna Shalala.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Hey Rick
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 21:03 ET by BlondeGlad to hear it's still nice there....Tell them you need to go home before the wind makes it too dangerous to drive, dammit!
Hanna's going to be a tempest in a teapot....Ike, however, has me really worried. We're all fueled up (nasty people at the gas station, BTW).
Can't wait for tomorrow, it's going to be a great game. The season starts for real.
Stay safe, Rick. It may only be a TS, but it's still Mother Nature.
GO GATORS!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I am stuck here for
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 21:14 ET by ricklailI am stuck here for tonight. I am only 6 miles from home. The problem is that both ends of the road I live on like to flood in heavy rain.
I should be home in time for the noon kickoffs. Half of my crew is here tonight. The other half will come in in the morning and relieve us.
Right now the WVa -ECU game is still on for 4:30 tomorrow. The eye of the storm is forecast to pass near Dowdy Ficklen Staduim aorund 2 PM. Could be interesting
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
We;;. Rick
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 21:19 ET by BlondeI'll keep my fingers crossed that you don't lose power.
However, a generator and a small TV with rabbit ears is really, really handy. Not the same as the plasma monster, of course, but it will do in a pinch.
Please, please be careful in the flooded areas. We had a driver electrocute himself in the aftermath of Hurricane Francis.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I don't drive in flood
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 21:33 ET by ricklailI don't drive in flood waters. I heard or read of at least 10 people around here that died driving in the flooding caused by Floyd.
I remember in '89 when Hugo was on a collison course with Charleston that GA Southern and somebody were playing a game in Statesboro. Right after kickoff the rain from Hugo hit them. They played the whole game in a torrential downpour.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Glad to hear it.
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 21:38 ET by BlondeWell, hopefully it will be gone pretty quickly.
It blew by here in about twelve hours. It started raining late last nite, and was through by noon today.
Have a great football Saturday, Rick....I'll be looking for you on tomorrow's Sports OT.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
That's it...I'm outta here
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:11 ET by BlondeThe incessant trolling, spamming, and idiocy is boring beyond belief.
I wish everyone here who is engaging in this kind of behavior would think about it....it doesn't add one bit to the boards here.
Blaze, Rick.....good luck tonite, stay dry and safe and we'll see you tomorrow!
Shawnie, if you still are on here, back away from the computer slowly.....turn it off, put it in the trunk, and give your wife the keys!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
>>>Shawnie, if you still
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:19 ET by seanrobins>>>Shawnie, if you still are on here, back away from the computer slowly.....turn it off, put it in the trunk, and give your wife the keys
911 OPERATOR: "911, what's your emergency?"
CALLER: "Ma. . .Ma. . .m... McCAIN!!!!"
911 OPERATOR: "Could you repeat, please?"
CALLER: "mccain. . .McCain. . .MCCAIN!!!"
911 OEPRATOR: "Please, listen carefully, sir. . . SIR!"
CALLER: "Wha... whaaaaaa?"
911 OPERATOR: "Please, take a deep breath...."
CALLER: "Uh... huh???"
CALLER: <sound of expelling air...>
911 OPERATOR: "Repeat after me: Palin. . . Palin. . . Palin. . . "
CALLER: "pa,... pa..... paaaaaaaaaalin. . ."
911 OPERATOR: "Yes! Paaaaalin. . . . Palin!"
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sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com
Warning join the collective or be censored
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 22:20 ET by PopularTechI have not posted one lie, yet my comments are getting deleted because I do not worship the unqualified Sarah Palin.
I have seen all I need to here. You have been warned. This site is nothing more than the extension of the GOP.
Warned about
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:28 ET by sick_puppyWarned about what?
Barry should have studied Murphy’s Laws of Combat. Sin Loy.
If you can't remember . . . the claymore is probably pointed at you. Murphy’s Laws of Combat
You are either for the ticket or ...
Fri, 09/05/2008 - 23:59 ET by...or against it. For a party that embraces freedom of speech or should we say freedom of public speech..this does not extend to a private website. For being a private website that promotes a conservative bias and expounds the moral values of conservatism, I have been impressed and astonished by the amount of posters who have been banned or who have left this site out of frustration for expressing a different view. Being a fresh face exploring previous discussions, there seems to be a number of "access denied" posters who have expressed their views and perspectives. How does this silencing promote a better understanding of a topic or issue? Something about this website doesn't seem right...just my two cents.Übercon
Well, Uber
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:08 ET by BlondeSince you're new and all, I'll fill you in a little bit. I've been here for a couple of years now, and I'm not one of the originals...there are regular posters here who have been here from the beginning.
I'd imagine there are maybe twenty - thirty posters who have been banned since I've been here. Out of tens of thousands of registered users.
And those who got banned were out and out trolls, made threats, or melted down on the boards. Probably a third of those, maybe even half, were a group of trolls who would get new screen names.....serial trolls if you will.
People with different view points are welcome here, as long as they don't (a) spout DKos talking points (b) engage in personal attacks (c) obviously troll.
It seems to me you're making pretty big leaps of logic with your post, after only having been a member here for five weeks.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
well unbercon
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:16 ET by candanceI've been a daily contributer here for almost a year and have seen many folks come and go. A few things to consider:
1) NB is a very popular and influencial blog that has been referenced by Rush Limbaugh and others. Trolls are attracted to these places because it gives them more exposure - much like Code Pink breaking into the convention.
2) Lots of people with differing views get along here, and even among the conservies, we can usually find disagreements. This only becomes a problem when disagreement turns to name calling, arguing, and repititive posting. Within the past week I have personally been called a liar and witnessed people using words like "whore" just to get attention. That's over the line.
3) Name anyone who's been banned in the past six months, and I can probably give you the specific reason why. We have really seen some doozies.
I"m not trying to use my seniority as a trump card, but I do request that you stick around and see for yourself why people get banned. NB admins are very laid back overall and step in when a poster is really out of control.
you post insults and
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:09 ET byyou post insults and character attacks on posters here and then whine about the consequences? grow the heck up.
and remember it's a free country for all poop deck
"I will disrespect who ever I feel like because this is a free country" poptart
botg, here is what PopTw*t said to misterbill last night:
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:18 ET by R D HelmUncalled for, I'd say.
-Dave.
dave
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:27 ET bythis one in particular?
i'd say quite rude and small minded
"I will disrespect who ever I feel like because this is a free country" poptart
of course bot
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:37 ET by candanceCue PopTech coming in now to cry that he's being persecuted.
candance
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:41 ET bycade,
he's already doing that, just like a 6 year old
"I will disrespect who ever I feel like because this is a free country" poptart
botg
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:52 ET by MrShydouble post... oops.... see below :)
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For REAL Change
shy
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:52 ET bynah i stole it from popeye,
"I will disrespect who ever I feel like because this is a free country" poptart
botg
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:51 ET by MrShyI love "poop deck"... is that your invention? :p
Btw, you, can-can, RD, Blaaaaandie ( ;) ), Free, et al... Guess what? They leave the chat rooms open.
Just sayin'. :)
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For REAL Change
chat
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:55 ET by MrShyI'm there, people!
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For REAL Change
PT
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:16 ET by Free StinkerThis site is nothing more than the extension of the GOP.
Thanks for ignoring all of the criticism bloggers and members have made of:
I'm sure others could add to this list, but why bother? You equate our upset at your REPETITIVE posts and chat behavior as a demand that you worship Sarah Palin. Go ahead and support/vote for anyone you want to. I for one have never told you to do otherwise, and you certainly don't need my permission.
However just because you have free speech and the right to support only candidates you feel comfortable with, you do not have the right to demand that we appreciate you coming here and doing the Blog and Chat equivilent of shouting down everyone else in the room.
PT
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 01:00 ET by Noel SheppardPT,
You and I are on the same side of many issues, and differ on some. However, you're claiming that your comments are being deleted? Do you have proof of this? Please advise. ns
If Sarah Palin is
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 01:12 ET by NL207If Sarah Palin is unqualified, what does that make Obama? Get real, PT, neither Bob Barr nor any other 3rd party candidate has a prayer here. You will get either McCain or Obama. The real question you need to ask yourself is which will be worse given the Congress likely to be eleccted. That is a no brainer. Obama will be a catastrophe unless the GOP can capture the Congress. 'nuff said?
Colored persons?
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:56 ET by Cool ArrowShawn Hannity used the term "colored persons" on H&C tonight.
Is this significantly different from "people of color"
What you want to bet we'll be hearing about this?
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Kirsten Powers
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 00:59 ET by Cool ArrowOn H&C tonight, Kirsten Powers (definitely a liberal), submitted the treatment of Palin by the MSM is unacceptable. She went on to say NOW should change its name to National Organiuzation Of Liberal Women because they certainly don't speak for all women.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Hannah at 2 AM
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 02:23 ET by ricklailAccording to the NHC Hannah's eye is making landfall between Myrtle Beach and the NC-SC line. Tropical force winds are extending out 260 miles from the center. We are within that 260 miles but have nothing but a breeze and a little rain.
It appears the bulk of the rain is on the west side. Central SC, NC and VA are getting the most.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Has anybody heard from Rick
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 07:07 ET by Roger the ShrubberHas anybody heard from Rick this morning?
Is NB's favorite Tarheel weathering the storm ok?
I'm Here
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 08:03 ET by ricklailI was just getting ready to make my last report. As Jamie on Mythbusters says, "Well that was a lot of nothing." We have hadNor'easters worst than this. The winds did get up to about 35 mph a while ago knock out our power. But, our generators are working.
I am going to be going home in a bit and get some sleep. I'll be back this afternoon, maybe, ready to talk some football.
We survived, the house survived and unfortunately this prison survived.
The storm is quickly moving out. It looks like the WVa-ECU game is on.
Rog from looking at the radar it appears that PA is going to get more rain than we did.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Good for you Rick
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 08:10 ET by Cool ArrowAnd let me dedicate this to you.
BWAHAHAHA!
Welcome back.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Cool
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 08:20 ET by ricklailThis storm was wierd. Normally when we are on the east side of a storm we get buckets of rain. With Hannah it was on the west side. Raleigh, Greensboro, Winston Salem got pounded. As I told Roger above PA is going to get more rain than us.
Blazer got more than us.
Thanks for remember us.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
I'm clueless Rick
Sat, 09/06/2008 - 08:25 ET by Cool ArrowHere in West Texas, a 10" rain is half a year's worth.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08