Open Thread


For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: as yesterday's Sarah Palin Open Thread received from what I can tell the greatest number of reads and comments of any OT since we started doing OTs, I wanted to keep this same topic today.

As you've now had 24 hours to think about this pick, as well as hear and read other opinions, how are you feeling about this choice as we head into the convention on Monday?

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A war hero and a smokin' hot

A war hero and a smokin' hot babe.  I'm in.

Compare Resumes and Pretend this is not a Disaster

Next in line to be VP? The most qualified choice?

Sarah Palin

Age: 44

Family:
- Husband: Todd
- 5 Children: Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig

Religion:
- Pentecostal

Education:
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987

Political Experience:
- Former Council Member of Wasilla City Council, Alaska (pop: 6,715)
- Former Mayor of Wasilla City, Alaska (pop: 6,715) (Votes: 909)
- Candidate, Lieutenant Governor, Alaska, 2002
- Governor of Alaska, 2006-present (pop: 670,053)
Total Career Political Votes: 188,125

Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989

Joe Biden:

Age: 65

Family:
- Wife: Jill
- 3 Children: Beau, Hunter, Ashley

Religion:
- Roman Catholic

Education:
- B.A. History/Political Science, University of Delaware, 1965
- J.D. Syracuse University College of Law, 1968

Political Experience:
- Former Council Member of New Castle County Council, Delaware, 1970-1972 (pop: 500,265)
- United States Senator of Delaware, 1973-present (pop: 853,476)
- Candidate, United States President, 2008
Total Career Political Votes: 929,170

Professional Experience:
- Attorney, Private Practice, Wilmington, Delaware, 1968-1972
- Adjunct Professor, Widener University School of Law, 1991-present

Mitt Romney:

Age: 60

Family:
- Wife: Ann
- 5 Children: Tagg, Matt, Josh, Ben, Craig

Religion:
- Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Education:
- B.A. Brigham Young University, 1971
- J.D. Harvard University, 1975
- M.B.A. Harvard University, 1975

Political Experience:
- Candidate, United States Senate, Massachusetts, 1994
- Governor of Massachusetts, 2003-2007 (pop: 6,437,193)
- Candidate, United States President, 2008
Total Career Political Votes: 6,839,107

Professional Experience:
- Vice President, Bain and Company, Incorporated, 1978-1984
- CEO, Bain Capital, Incorporated, 1984-1998
- CEO, Bain and Company, Incorporated, 1991-1993
- President, Salt Lake Winter Olympics Organizing Committee, 1999-2002

pt ,make correction to:

biden education

redo law school 1967 received 'F' for plagiarzing someone else material. a bad habit that he repeated in 1988 presidental race.

Ok I added this...

- McCain graduated 894th out of 899 in his class at the United States Naval Academy

Thanks for the heads up I missed that one.

Pathetic

Funny thing is that ALL 899 of those graduates were STILL called "Sir" or "Ensign" when they graduated. 

You are simply going to have to try harder to hammer McCain.  And I'm not his biggest fan, either.  Just a Reservist who knows what a b!#$h it is to even qualify for the Naval Academy, much less graduate from there even at the bottom of your class. 

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Easy.

Palin - Vandal.

Biden - Blue Hen.

 

Poor PopTech is still pissing his pants. As a Libertarian, shouldn't you be on the road with the other Paulbots to Tardstock '08?

 

Paul Bots?

Oh you have me confused with someone else, everyone is doing that the last few days.

I rarely get my douchebags

I rarely get my douchebags confused. You are not a Paulbot? You are the the average Ben-Franklin-dressing, moms'-basement-living Libertarian man-boobed loser? My apologies.

For somebody who has been tossing around insults these past two days, you sure do handle criticism like a little girl.

 

 

Wow, talk about reflexive whines

The only possible relevance is that Palin's not obsessively anti-Ron Paul like some of the more obvious big government RINOs, but I guess that was enough for a whine...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Must have hit close to

Must have hit close to home, since you had to chime in. Did I ruin your surprise? Were you going to dress up as John Adams or Ben Franklin? The Statue of Liberty, perhaps?

Great work linking to MTV News, btw.

I know, I know. You will now do the same ole Sarky dance, droning on and on about how you have the right to be a douche and post what you want because you are such a man, and nobody can stop you, etc, etc, etc... Go ahead, have your fun, thump that chest, blah, blah, blah. I am going to have a nice day at a picnic, while you sit in mommy's basement getting that bald-headed wig ready for your big date with the other Paultards.

Have fun! Don't forget to wear your Pautard Chostkie Flair!

 

Uh, Whiner...

I'm in Florida, where I'm staying. Your fantasies suggest YOU are the one spending too much time in basements. Get a life, quit whining about Republicans who want smaller government, and have some fun. I stand by all my words (and PopTech already got today's "I post what/where/how I want" schooling, so I don't need to school you on it again).
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

The guy in the cubicle next door gets mad at me too.

    I would joke that Ron Paul will get elected King of the Internet because of all the spamming of the internet polls.

   The guy in the cubicle next door wrote scripts. I would joke that he should get a job writing spam for Ron Paul.

   The guy in the cubicle next door would stop talking to me for days at a time.

  The guy in the cublicle next door also does not know what grapeshot is/was. He made me laugh and all would be forgiven.

Non Sequitur, but

Whatever mushroom it is that's on your pizza, you should probably consider selling it! And again, please get used to the fact that the Whiner is as usual 100% clueless about me...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Yawn.

Too much of a pud to make it to Tardfest?

Some zealot you are.

All that money you gave to Ron, too. I thought he was your friend.

What a poser.

 

Yeah Roger

Even Neil Diamond gives refunds

Torches & Pitchforks

Your point??

I didn't detect one...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Come on sarc

No room for levity?

Torches & Pitchforks

Not when the Whiner's trolling

You and others need to NOT encourage him, it just leads to more sarcasmo-mockery. And my "Ted Stevens dissin' really gets under big government Republicans' skin" theory already has enough support recently without either you OR the Whiner. Look, if I really wanted to piss-off Republicans, I'd start linking to well done lefty cartoons like this one.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Yawn

Too much of a Whiner to think of anything new? Get out of that basement more, and whine about people who want smaller government less. Try it, you might like it.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Actually I am confused

My political affiliations change everytime someone else replies. These knee-jerk replies are entertaining though, thanks.

You are obviously confused.

You are obviously confused. At least you have said something everybody can agree on.

Stay on your meds, bro.

PT, please do us NBers a favor-stick to what you are best at...

...and that is skewering the AGW Nazis.

As for anything else here that involves the idea of individual freedom, by all means, stay away, because you clearly do not "get it."

 

-Dave.

I'd put Gov. Palin's resume

I'd put Gov. Palin's resume up against Obama's resume anyplace, anywhere.  The only executive experience that Obama has is with the Chicago Annenburg Challenge, where he worked quite closely with a homegrown terrorist named Bill Ayers.  And to top it off, Obama and Ayers' endeavour was a dismal failure.

Barack Obama's Resume...

Barack Obama:

Age: 47

Family:
- Wife: Michelle
- 2 Children: Malia, Sasha.

Religion:
- United Church of Christ

Education:
- B.A. Political Science/International Relations, Columbia University, 1983
- J.D. Harvard Law School, 1991

Political Experience:
- State Senator, Illinois, 1996-2004
- U.S. Senator, Illinois, 2005-present (pop: 12,831,970)

Professional Experience:
- Lecturer, Constitutional Law, University of Chicago, 1992 to 1996
- Senior Lecturer, Constitutional Law, University of Chicago, 1996-2004
- Attorney, Miner Barnhill & Galland, 1993-2004

Thanks, Poppy

If we need someone to lecture the terrorists on our constitutional law, we'll be sure to give ol' Barry a call.

"community organizer"

You apparently don't know the difference between executive experience and academic/legislative experience.  Oh, and let's not forget his "community organizer" experience w/ the likes of Reverend Wright and his experience teaching the neo-Marxists techniques of Saul Alinsky.

Shocked

Color me SHOCKED that you like Palin. 

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Good post PT.

Good post PT.

Hey, does anybody know what

Hey, does anybody know what PopularTech thinks about the pick? ;-) 

“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)

And the bait is in the water...

Didn't he tell us yesterday (over and over)?

Yes...

...with all of the eloquence of an overloaded dump truck.

LOL “There are no easy

LOL

“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)

"Get over it..."

...was PT's repeated talking point when responding to suggestions that his Libertarian vote will be wasted and help put Obama in the White House.

I'm still trying to "get over it"...must find duct tape soon. ;-)

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" -- Obama

Get over it

Maybe next time I will not be the only one who does his homework.

(sigh) Pop...

Have you seen THIS:

Palin: went to the AOR as CinC of ANG troops under her to see how they were doing in the AOR and handling things.

Obama: dragged kicking and screaming into the AOR.  And ONLY when it became politically expedient to do so.

One's a governor.  One is a United States Senator.  What is wrong with that picture (and right)?

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

A question....

Did Poppy ever get his meds thing sorted out?

Big deal (again)

Who owns your body, you or the state? Get over the emotional hysteria. Nobody cares.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Why you'd LOVE AK

You ought to be in AK, not FL.  Pot is legal there up to 1 oz.  Of course, the representative of the local Libertarian party in Anchorage, I trust, is still roaming town trying to get people to sign a petition to get the Libertarians put on the AK ballot.  He'd probably have more luck if he clearly wasn't a total burnout.  Or if the Libertarians there would at least make a small effort to be presentable to the public. (Don't cry to me about how hard it is either: there is an AK Independence Party on the ballot there.) 

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Yawn...

Did you copy and paste that, or is it a new comment that just LOOKS exactly like all your previous dimwittery??
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Attribution

I attribute that to two things you lack:

1) A powerful memory.  I didn't cut and paste ANY of that, I remember such data.

2) I lived in Anchorage and was accosted by said individual in multiple venues in town and thus know of what I speak.  Have you?  Can you disprove ANY of what I said, oh holy SUPREME EXPERT???

Had I been an AK voter - I have always been registered in TX - I probably would have signed his petition.  But this was before I met a Libertarian online named Sarcasmo.  Why would I support a Libertarian cause, even those I actually agree with, with people like you infesting the party?

I know that this is supposed to be a one-party state and all where the Libertarians rule the land in perpetuity from coast to coast and all, but unfortunately there are tons of Libertarians like him (and you) who leave extremely negative impressions of the party, and apparently none of you know or care (and I am inclined to believe the latter).

Please continue to vomit your vitriol and bile onto the board.

 

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

laughable

I stopped at "a powerful memory." I truly DON'T CARE about your Alaska experience with potheads, even though you keep desperately trying to make me care. It's part of that immaturity problem you've yet to deal with in your life.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

IMHO no one should smoke

IMHO no one should smoke marijuana or tobaco, but since it is legal in Alaska I am wondering what your point is?

My Point is that Palin Smoked Pot

Palin Smoked Pot

This is not some trick question.

And mine is "who cares?"

Apparently, the answer is "nobody but you."
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

exactly sarc

this has caused Poptech to come unhinged. I can understand not being happy with the choice but this over reaction is bizarre.

If he wants people to vote for Obama he should just attack McCain, it's a much easier sell.

 

Obama and Frank Marshall Davis

I'm much more concerned with the "long evenings" that Obama spent smoking pot with and suckling at the political knees of Communist luminary Frank Marshall Davis.

Wow, so Sarah Palin smoked a joint. I'm sure PT never has.

Right, PT?

Good grief!

-Dave.

That's not "new"

That's not "new" news.

Got anything else?

PT


That's not "new" news.

See that word in the middle there, in quotes?  Look at my original message carefully and you'll see it.

Did you intentionally leave that word out to change the entire meaning of my remark, or have you let your blind hatred of Sarah Palin affect your reading comprehension ?

Did Palin intentionally Smoke Pot?

Palin Smoked Pot!

I don't hate anbody, I just don't support affirmative action.

Sorry. Doesn't work that way.

Sorry.  Doesn't work that way.  You need to answer my question about why you change my remark.

When you pointed out you were voting for Barr after I said "Have for voting for Obama" I apologized.  You could have the decency to do that if you made an honest mistake.  And if you didn't make a mistake, that shows me how dishonest you intend to be in your opposition to Palin.

Bye bye! Have fun storming the castle !

Thank you for indirectly answering the honesty question for me.

FS: That's not "new" news?

PT: Palin Smoking Pot is not News? Really?

FS: Did you intentionally leave that word out to change the entire meaning of my remark, or have you let your blind hatred of Sarah Palin affect your reading comprehension ?

PT: *avoids the question*

You are against Palin smoking?

You are against Palin smoking?

and she's the only politician

Who ever did! Sheesh. Someone's hysterical today.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Hysteria.

Hysteria.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

See that ? You didn't

See that ?

You didn't even notice I dropped the word "pot" back there.  Skipped it entirely.  See how it chnages the entire meaning of my question ?

Reaading comprehension.

Pretty lame

Although I guess this is about the best we can now exspect from you now. Sad

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Ok now I get it Pop Tech

You are against her because she smoked pot. Lol. For a person  with supposed libertarian views, you sure are biased against people that smoke or have smoked pot in the past.

Real life video games are cool

The REALLY odd part is

That regardless of her long-past toking, Sarah Palin agrees with the pot prohibitionists. Meanwhile, Bob Barr (who only MIGHT have my vote) agrees with me, after a bit of "tough love," that pot prohibition laws don't work, expensively. PopTech's views are just a bit surreal when viewed in that light.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Sarc

Well at least he is debating and not throwing  100 links about how pot is bad for you. I have asked him so many times why people should not have the right to smoke pot and he will throw another 100 links at me why it is bad for you.

I say why not outlaw alchohol or tobacco and he will throw 100 links of why alchohol or tobacco is good for you.  lol. At least many can feel my pain now, with his attitude re: the VP nomination.

Real life video games are cool

Oslo, anyone?

Sounds to me like you and Sarc should take a trip to Oslo.  It's a nice city that people are quite uncomfortable letting their children walk around in, even with their parents, from the sound of things.  But you and him will LOVE it, for it is free to ROT from drugs... 

(h/t to Roger the Shrubber)

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Unsane seriously dude

It is almost 100 percent of time everytime when I post anything about Univesal healthcare or legalization of marijuana, that I see some snide reference from you. This is a free speech board and you can do what you like, but aren't you tired of saying your right all the time?

On no wait, don't answer that. You never get tired of saying how right you are. In all our debates, you have never called me names once, and I respect that, but it seems to me you can't stop telling people how right your are. Look at your Tax thread, seems you can't seem to every look at anyones point of view except for your own and love to belittle one that dares think differently from you.

Your a good guy Unsane,  but just a little too full of himself. 

Real life video games are cool

well Shawn

i don't see you or i going about telling people how we're wrong all the time, but you seem to think Unsane should??

explain grasshopper.....

"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission" 

botg

I'm just saying it never fails, that there will be a follow-comment from Unsane when I post on those topics. I don't pounce on him on any of his post. This is a free speech board, I was just wondering if he was tired of it yet.

Unsane and I actually get along quite well, if when  we don't talk politics :-)

Real life video games are cool

Enlighten me

Hmmmm...now, in order to satisfy your desire for me to self-criticize and otherwise show that I am in fact human, I recently stupidly destroyed my glasses with one of my elbows.  So, my eyesight may be a little on the poor side...

...but at what point have I repeatedly claimed I am right???

You seem to have less a problem with my ego (which rest assured in nonexistent as it is repeatedly tempered - disagree if you wish, you haven't seen what life has dished at me the past two years) than the fact that I challenge your religious tenets repeatedly with views I hold in confidence.  Rather than be all ticked off that I do in fact repeatedly challenge that religious dogma you so hold dear, at least stop and consider what I say.  I'm not out looking for converts...why should I be?  I'm not running for office, I don't hate myself that much.  But if I do write something that forces you (or others) to think...well, that's quite enough for me.  

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Unsane

I made the comment about your ego, because of the way you express your points to people you don't agree with. You belittle, them and are pretty condesending.

You can disagree with me anytime you like, I'm just tired of saying I believe in individual freedoms like pot and euthanasia, and you comment is always , the countrys that allow that are going nowhere" No where do you actually back up the fact that the USA will go nowhere, you just say those countrys are going nowhere.

Hey loud and clear, those countries are going nowhere, I get it. Just wanted to know if you might be tired of repeating that line over and over.

Real life video games are cool

So defensive this evening

Really?  The United States is going nowhere?  Sure.  Nevermind that this is where repeated advancements, innovations and inventions that can and do change the world occur.  Nevermind that since many of the world's industrialized nations decided long ago to coddle, baby, and pamper (and enable) their poor out of "compassion", THIS is the country where medical advancements occur.  Nevermind that THIS is the country that can and does globally project power. 

Sure, we have issues, but they pale compared to those of other countries.  That includes the debt.  Yeah, our national debt sucks, but Japan has a debt that is 194% of its GDP. 

Anyways, I didn't even bring this up, YOU did.  Please go over this entire THREAD and find a place where I specifically used my catchphrase.  And no, I don't mind bringing up the same thing over and over.  Reagan didn't.  Check a speech of his in 1964 and compare it to ones he gave in 1984.  Very little change.  Because he was principled.  He had his, I have mine. 

Belittling, condescending, etc etc etc...all in the mind of the beholder as far as I am concerned.  If anything, Leftist talking points and Leftist ideology are belittling and condescending to me.  (Unsane, you clearly cannot take care of yourself; what you REALLY need is a government nanny!!!)  But do you see me whining?  No.  Just fighting back.  With both barrels. 

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Unsane

I agree the United States if is the best country in the world. I do not agree with we legalized pot, it will have a detrimental effect on our society.

You did not use your catchphrase today, because I called you out on it on my first replay

It

is

always

the

same 

old  song

Its like your trump card

 

Real life video games are cool

Going nowhere

Wrong, shawn, I didn't use it at all.  You are the only one whining about it.  YOU are the one who brought it up.  I wasn't going to use it this time around though I reserve and deserve the right to use it at anytime.  But beware, for I have been kicking around a way to explain "Going Nowhere" in detail on the forums.  Look for it there soon.  Oh, and by the way, your crying about it only gives me more motivation. 

And if it wasn't at least effective in a slight way, you wouldn't be crying about it.   

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

"And if it wasn't at

"And if it wasn't at least effective in a slight way, you wouldn't be crying about it."   

I didn't cry about it, I just asked if you were tired of using the same old line. Theres other lines I find that are tired as well like, "Bush lied, people died" 'Blood for oil". Since I complain about those terms repeated over and over again, , I guess that makes them pretty effective in a slight way too huh?

Real life video games are cool

LOL, shawn-On what planet are PT's views libertarian?

Trust me, PT would not recognize ultimate freedom if it bit him squarely in the ass.

Twice.  :-)

-Dave.

Lol Dave

I would imagine Uranaus Dave :-) Some Libertarian he is, He likes freedom, but he feels it is harmful to society to burn one, have a big bag of Pringles and Dip and watch the Star Wars trilogy.

Real life video games are cool

shawn, so PT thinks watching the Star Wars trilogy is harmful?

I mean, its science bleeping fiction.

LOL-And as I recall, the good guys ultimately triumphed. Hell, I've only seen the movies about a gazillion times, but what do I know?

Lol-Perhaps PT would have preferred the Empire had won the day?

Sheesh, maybe I am missing something.

-Dave.

Dave

Well.......he didn't actually say that. I as just using a example of Stereotype for stoners.

I had my share of ummm herb tea when I bought the trilogy on my VCR back then. Those Ewoks are interesting lookin little things huh?

Basically he is very much against the legalization of pot and will throw hundreds of links your way if need be.

Real life video games are cool

evenin' dave

I haven't been able to talk with you much since the big announcement yesterday.

What are your views on this?