For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Denver looks like the Clinton Convention!
Rarely in the history of American political conventions has the losing side received so much time and attention as this week in Denver. Barack Obama has been forced, by the clout Hillary Rodham Clinton showed in their primary battle and his need for her voters in his race against Republican John McCain, to allow the gathering of Democrats to look a lot like the Clinton Convention.
Could this backfire on Obama? Might he end up looking tremendously unpresidential and inexperienced tonight by comparison to the Clintons who gave great speeches the previous evenings? Has the bar been raised too high for him to even come close to the lofty expectations that have been set?
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Wow... CNN admits the
August 28, 2008 - 10:26 ET by AJWow... CNN admits the obvious. Yet, you won't see one ounce of credit given to Bush.
And now, today's Shrub
August 28, 2008 - 10:26 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Shrub Report®:
Thirty years ago today, the greatest Civil War historian passed away.
Russians are complaining that there are more NATO warships in the Black Sea than Soviet, er, Russian ships.
Baseball's new instant replay decision is meeting opposition…
The Hopeful Changer's stage is not a Greek temple, but, rather, a Russian cathedral? See? He's not a pagan god, he's the real deal! Or is it? At any rate, tonight's the night!
CNN's omniscient and all-knowing writing staff show that headline-writing is their forte!
Geez, can't Lady Pantsuit's speechwriters get ANYTHING right?
Rock and roll, baby: 1961: Motown has its first #1 hit (Mr. Postman by The Marvelettes). 1973: "Smoke on the Water" goes gold. 1979: two AWESOME Neil Young records go gold: Decade and Rust Never Sleeps.
Ace of Spades is en fuego today with stories. We should have the power to tax suburbs, too, to make sure people can't escape. Wow.
So far, five men of unknown race, ethnic origin, and undetermined religion have been arrested for issuing threats to kill the British Prime Minister.
At least the former mayor of London does not have to hide the fact that he is a Socialist anymore.
Might there be a Falkland War II?
Pamela Anderson channels Tammy Faye. The countdown to when she channels my grandmother's sagging boobs is on!
Norway: Socialist Success Story!
The Angriest Black Woman in Detroit pulls a Cynthia McKinney. Don't you know who I am?!?!?!
Speaking of Moonbats, and even more Moonbattery!
Today in History: 1565: St. Augustine, FL is founded, the oldest European settlement in the US. In 1924, the August Uprising occurred, where Georgia tried to break away from Mother Russia, and failed, and the benevolent and gentle Soviets murdered thousands, and sent tens of thousands to be "re-educated" in Siberia. Ironically, it was this same day, in 1991, when Ukraine declared its independence and Gorby resigned.
And, finally, today's Time-Waster Website.
Bruce Catton
August 28, 2008 - 11:02 ET by easygoerRight on Roger the Shrubber, not only is Catton America's greatest Civil War historian, he's my favorite author, period. And he wasn't even a college proffesor, which must drive academia crazy.
I remember reading Terrible
August 28, 2008 - 11:18 ET by Roger the ShrubberI remember reading Terrible Swift Sword in high school. Great stuff. The guy was a master!
Same book?
August 28, 2008 - 11:35 ET by Sergeant ROCKI have a book called 'Lee's Terrible Swift Sword' by Richard Wheeler, published 1992.
LesserOf2evils '08
I imgaine there are 5,000
August 28, 2008 - 11:43 ET by Roger the ShrubberI imgaine there are 5,000 books with the same title :)
This is the one I was referring to.
Lee for President
August 28, 2008 - 12:00 ET by Sergeant ROCKIt only stands to reason that you should read the aforementioned Lee's Terrible Swift Sword.
The greatest general of that time.
LesserOf2evils '08
Who am I to second-guess
August 28, 2008 - 12:16 ET by Roger the ShrubberWho am I to second-guess Sgt. Rock?
How is Four-Eyes these days?
X
August 28, 2008 - 14:31 ET by serfer62Lee was the Luckiest general in the Civil War.
Gen George Thomas was the best
Generalship
August 28, 2008 - 18:31 ET by easygoerLee was the most daring general. No dispute that Thomas was outstanding but I believe James Longstreet was the best. His tactics especially, his theory of defensive war, foreshadowed what was to come in the 20th century. Fifty years later arrogant WW I European generals still had not grasped the lesson that he learned at Fredricksburg about the futility of charging well entrenched positions.
Longstreet got a bad rap for 1)daring to criticize Lee's tactics on the 3rd day at Gettysburg, which were terrible and which were the same as Burnside's Union Army at Fredricksburg on an even greater scale and 2) for having the temerity to join the Republican Party after the war.
Catton
August 28, 2008 - 18:02 ET by easygoerMy own favorite is his Army of the Potomac trilogy:
Thing is, while all three are brilliant, I liked the first two better than the third and yet it's that one that won the Pulitzer. Either way what a beautiful and moving writer.
Crime Wave in Scandinavia
August 28, 2008 - 11:07 ET by dboShrub, your Socialist Sucess Story has a link to crime rates in all of Scandinavia.
Copehagen, Denmark-more than twice the crime rate of NYC
Stockholm, Sweden-more than 3 times the crime rate of NYC
Oslo, Norway-more than 4 times the crime rate of NYC
"The Oslo police are blaming the
increase on an influx of East Europeans, and Minister of Justice Knut
Storberget is reportedly partly in agreement".
http://www.aftenpost...
See, plentiful drugs and
August 28, 2008 - 11:16 ET by general companySee, plentiful drugs and vice are good for the community. Keeps the police and other Gov agencies at full bore. Another unintended consequence, that is completely predictable to most of us.
But no doubt I am 100% wrong, as always.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
So true
August 28, 2008 - 12:37 ET by UnsaneYep. If we DARE show what legalizing drugs can do, we can expect a beat-down of propaganda by those with an obsessive devotion to drugs.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
All those swarthy Bo-Hunks
August 28, 2008 - 11:20 ET by Roger the ShrubberAll those swarthy Bo-Hunks running wild in the fjords!
Rog...
August 28, 2008 - 11:25 ET by Clear thinkerThat could be used as an Ad campaign to rid San Fran of it's gay population. Swarthy bo-hunks may cause the airline industry to add flights from San Fran to Europe.
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Imagine those long, 10-hour
August 28, 2008 - 11:32 ET by Roger the ShrubberImagine those long, 10-hour direct flights from San Fran to Oslo?
One big gay make-out session.
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
*shudder*
Eeeeeewww!
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For the second day in a
August 28, 2008 - 11:30 ET by Roger the ShrubberFor the second day in a row, why hasn't anybody told me Rosie O'Donnell was vacationing in Scandanavia?
I guess--
August 28, 2008 - 14:19 ET by misterbillI guess-- no moose is good moose!
Has the bar been raised too
August 28, 2008 - 10:28 ET by rimskyHas the bar been raised too high for him to even come close to the lofty expectations that have been set?
I think it's certainly possible that Obama's halo has been banged up a bit. But more importantly, I think it's highly probable, if McCain uses both barrels from here on out in his campaign, that Obama will be handily beaten.
Monetary density
August 28, 2008 - 10:31 ET by sarcasmoOf things, including that internet favorite, Kopi Luwak.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
I think the Clintons and
August 28, 2008 - 10:31 ET by BruzillaI think the Clintons and their minions will do to Obama what they have been doing to Bush. They'll say "we would support you if you would just do this...", then after Obama does it they'll say "ok, now do this...", and in the end they'll never support him and the Clintons will get everything they want while offering nothing.
The smartest thing Obama could do would be to tell the Clintons and their fans to F off.
I would just like to post
August 28, 2008 - 10:34 ET by BruzillaI would just like to post that my biggest media issue this week is with Megan Kelly on FNC. Why oh why did she cut her hair! She used to look so hot with the long hair. The shorter hair just doesn't get the job done.
Megyn Kelly
August 28, 2008 - 12:43 ET by UnsaneWell, let's hope she makes up to that with a favorable ratio of skirts to pants. (Meaning, if she wears a skirt, say, 4 times for every time she wears pants, she at least knows and understands how important it is to be feminine as possible.)
But yeah, I hope her hair isn't too short. (I would have thought of Katie Cupcake as a hottie back in the day, but she insisted on having hair shorter than mine, and she looked awful, and I couldn't forgive that. Amazingly, in her late 40s, she decided one day to have hair that goes to her shoulders and thus at least try to look feminine. Too little, too late...too bad.)
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Megyn Kelly
August 28, 2008 - 12:50 ET by Cool ArrowShe can read the phone book for all I care. Just keep her on the air.
I like her segments on O'Reilly. I wonder if there's a male News personality out there who offers more opportunities to women.
Torches & Pitchforks
More on Megyn
August 28, 2008 - 13:02 ET by UnsaneShe can read the phone book for all I care. Just keep her on the air. Election Day 2006, as you know, sucked. But what made it better was watching Fox News and Megyn Kelly's coverage. She wore all red, to include, most critically, a red skirt.
That was a horrible night, but for some reason I could take the bad news a little better. :-)
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Big Mistake
August 28, 2008 - 10:40 ET by iveseenitallI believe this outdoor stadium routine to be be another big mistake by Barry. It is too close to the newsreels we see from the 30's in a nation he recently visited. BTW , the entire Dim Convention has been so contrived, it is an insult to thinking people. For example, within seconds of Biden's talking about his family, even Affirmative Action Michelle whipped out a hanky and began to weep. How obvious, how sad. Just goes to show the contempt these phonys have for the people. And outside the buliding, on a public street, an ABC reporter was arrested by brown-shirted,...er, blue-shirted "police". All signs of things to come if Barry gets elected. Be afraid.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
I thought the worst moment
August 28, 2008 - 10:40 ET by BruzillaI thought the worst moment was the Hillary Calls For Unanimous Consent moment. Even the FNC reporters were saying what a great moment it was, even though they had been reporting that she was going to do it as part of a deal with the Obama people for days. That act was as spontaneous as the cheers of an old Soviet crowd.
ives...
August 28, 2008 - 11:27 ET by Clear thinkerPray for lot's of rain in Denver tonight!
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Recession
August 28, 2008 - 10:38 ET by Full MonteI still haven't heard the MSM recant all predictions and assertions that we are in a recession. 2d Qtr GDP has been adjusted UP.
The Temple Of Soros
August 28, 2008 - 10:44 ET by PeterDThere isn't anyway Obama can live up to all the hype for a speech tonight, but that won't stope the MSM from declaring it the greatest night ever and the presidential race to be over. No one seems to care about the audacity of the whole unprededented event, moving from the arena to a football stadium and building a set. Imagine if a Republican had done the same. Yes it looks like a Greek Temple alright, the Temple Of Soros!
The Annointing
August 28, 2008 - 10:45 ET by ricklailWho has been designated to pour the vial of oil over the Chosen One's head? The Dems think he is "The One" then it needs to be done right. Too bad the prophet Samuel is not around to do it and then run like he did when he annointed King David.
Keep praying for thunderstorms in Denver.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
quick explanation for rick
August 28, 2008 - 11:03 ET by candanceObama = little David showing his potential
Hillary = Goliath defeated by a child
Bush = evil Saul gone off the deep end (the prophet Algore warned us he was not meant to be, but we ignored it)
Ted Kennedy = Samuel come to anoint the new king
McCain = Jonathan (natural heir of the throne too friendly with Obama for his own good)
something I don't understand
August 28, 2008 - 10:49 ET by candanceYou know what really confuses me about lefties and Obama?
They go on all the time about Bush destroying the Constitution, hindering free speech, bullying his critics, blah blah.
But here we see Obama using a technicality to silence Harold Simmons, promoting the Fairness Doctrine, pushing net neutrality, and tacitly allowing people to attack conservies in Denver.
Why is no one worried about free speech under Obama?
Candance
August 28, 2008 - 10:57 ET by iveseenitallSee my post above. Now even ABC news is worried about "free speech". Our freedoms are in danger with this boy Barry. God forbid he gets elected.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
iveseenit--too
August 28, 2008 - 12:01 ET by kilrodIf the arrest of that ABC news producer/cameraman had happened at the Reps. convention the msm would've went ballistic, but not hear, the dims or "for the people"LOL-LMAO-ROFL.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(GRINS) kilrod
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Someone needs to throw a folding chair...
August 28, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Ubercon...during Obama-man's speech and watch him duck for cover. How many "AHs" are going to be in his speech tonight? We should wager on how many are used...I say 40. No way can the Obama-man outdo BJ Clinton...that crowd last night was on fire...no wonder young fat chicks and old battle hardened broads want him. If Obama-man gets the white chicks all hot & bothered, he's going to have a hard time winning over the white guys who see him as a threat. There's just no way for him to win...he's going to get his ass handed to him no matter how good he is...
Ubercon
It' always about the
August 28, 2008 - 10:51 ET by sawing battaIt' always about the Clintons.
But Bill delivered a great speech - until you actually listen to it....
Joe Biden, as foreign policy expert "stared down dictators"
I thought our country had enough of 'cowboy diplomacy'...how can the Dems lead with this tough guy stuff if we're all about 'just getting along". Which foreign policy school will you guys be if you get to office: The Rodney King school or the Marlboro Man school?
...And how do we rationalize what Bill Clinton said last night about wanting a nation that shows "the Power of Example" not an "Example of Power". Sounds good, but isn't this 'stare down dictators' tough guy stuf just and 'Example of our Power?' By the way, Joe, wasn't Saddam a brutal dictator?
...and who the heck is Clinton to lead with this statement anyway? The power of his example....you have got to be kidding me! President Stainmaster, torch bearer for the American ideal.
...and Barack is older than i was when i took office [read: he has more experience than i had in 1992]. He may be older, but dude, you were a Governor..You at least had some executive experience, albeit from a small state. This guy has virtually no experience and the experience he has he voted "Present".
Obama slip of tongue or not!
August 28, 2008 - 10:57 ET by PawpawNAnyone else catch that Obama called Pres Clinton by name Pres Bush in his thank yous to BJC. It went real quick, but he said, near the end, after doing allocades and thanks 3 or 4 times, "& thank you, Pres Bush". Hope someone else caught this or was I dreaming!
Yes PawpawN
August 28, 2008 - 11:46 ET by kilrodYeah, PawpawN, o-Dumb-uh almost thanked Pres. Bush but he caught himself just in time, o-Dumb-uh just aint so eloquent without his tele-prompter.
Arresting that ABC news producer/cameraman trying to film the dim bigwheels frolicking with the lobbyist should have people getting there heads outta there arse and wiping the dooky outta there eyes and ears and nose. The segment ABC did(follow the money) showed the dim rich, and dim bigwheels, setting in the plush skyboxes with open bar and free liquor and eats, compiments of the lobbyist, while the "sheep" on the floor were having to eat 7.00 hotdogs. I sure got a kick outta that, but them poor dumb b-tards oughtta wake up. I doubt the rest of the msm is even gonna mention it, but the Reps. oughtta highlight it all they can.
o-Dumb-uhs greco-roman theater stage will backfire on him and i am lmao about it and i bet i'm not the only one.!! o-Dumb-uh better hope that telescoping stage does'nt suddenly collapse and fall cause the clintons are sure set to step in and take over if something un-toward should happen. It would sure make my back kinda itchy if i were o-Dumb-uh.!!!!
(GRINS) kilrod
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Obama & Mrs Biden swap spit
August 28, 2008 - 13:06 ET by Cool ArrowI made mention of the kiss last night when it happened. As expected, It's getting some play on the Net today.
Husband Joe looks on.
Torches & Pitchforks
I heard it too PawpawN....
August 28, 2008 - 13:55 ET by BEGRUNTI was in the NB chat room last night....we all heard it......another er, ah, er, er moment.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Obama's speech tonight
August 28, 2008 - 11:04 ET by Hunter12Obama's speech tonight could be limited to "I like macaroni and cheese." and the pundits will be falling all over themselves in declaring it the greatest speech of all time and how eloquent he was. "He was able to appeal to and embrace both the pasta and dairy components of the electorate with one statement. I don't think I've every seen it done so well. No one in the history of American politics has ever read from the printed page or a teleprompter with such feeling. We seen the emergence of America's Seneca here tonight."
And then Chris Matthews will go up in flame.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Has the bar been raised too
August 28, 2008 - 11:10 ET by QueenMumHas the bar been raised too high? Heavens no. The time has come. (No matter your political leanings, you'll have to admit this is funny.)
The bar and it's height...
August 28, 2008 - 11:20 ET by c5thenI hate to say it or even bring it up for discussion, but....
Could this nomination be 'affirmative action' gone completely insane? Is this what all the hoopla and the media frenzy is about? Barrack Obama really hasn't shown that he is capable of being even a good senator, let alone being the Chief Executive.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
The bar height...
August 28, 2008 - 11:29 ET by bassndudeHas been lowered for the office of President. No longer do you have to demonstrate an ability to manage a crisis. Nor do you need to have any ability but to be presentable and dress well. You need no back ground. The character of those you call "friend" has no bearing on your character. All you need to do is claim your a great guy, (gal), and you deserve to be President.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
bass...
August 28, 2008 - 12:38 ET by Clear thinkerScary, ain't it?
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It's like I told my wife
August 28, 2008 - 11:28 ET by kdizzydazeYou are going to hear nothing but gushing approval and love/lust for this man Obambi from the MSM for the next few days. Hit the ball out of the park commentary will flow like diarrhea from Olberwuss's mouth.
He will rise in the (skewed) polls and it will seem as if he is untouchable.
Then he will open his mouth in three debates and that will seal the deal for McCain.
Obama the Emperor?
August 28, 2008 - 11:31 ET by Sergeant ROCKSo, he has no clothes?
LesserOf2evils '08
Obama's speech
August 28, 2008 - 11:29 ET by candanceThe Obama campaign has released a promotional video to prepare us all for the Messiah's speech.
Joe Biden - "Borrowing" A Welsh Man's Identity
August 28, 2008 - 11:35 ET by GothampcAnn Coulter's column
"Everyone acts as though Biden's outrageous plagiarism of British Labor Leader Neil Kinnock's speech during the 1988 presidential campaign was just a mistake, a slip of the tongue. Biden, his defenders say, had credited Kinnock in other speeches, but simply forgot to add the attribution one time."
http://townhall.com/Columnists/AnnCoulter/2008/08/27/joe_biden_hair_we_can_believe_in
Paul Greenberg's column
"It seems Lord Kinnock's rags-to-power story so entranced a younger Sen. Biden that he, uh, borrowed the Welshman's words (and whole speaking style) during his first bust of a presidential campaign in 1988."
http://townhall.com/Columnists/PaulGreenberg/2008/08/27/identity_theft_the_case_of_the_talented_mr_biden
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE, YOU MUST VIEW THIS VIDEO!!!
August 28, 2008 - 11:36 ET by mattmThis is how absolutely ignorant the people who listen to the Environmentalists are. It shows the utter decline of our education system as run by secular-humanist liberals for the last 80 years.
It would be funny if it wasn't so disturbing: Woman Amazed by Rainbow
Mattm, I believe that is
August 28, 2008 - 11:38 ET by dboMattm,
I believe that is Tipper Gore speaking in that video.
Matt
August 28, 2008 - 13:06 ET by ricklailLet's face it. You can't fix stupid.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
WOW!!
August 28, 2008 - 19:09 ET by Indiana JoeThat is just... hmm... I can't decide if it's more hilarious or more disturbing.
It's disturious.
Really puts the whole environmental movement in perspective, no?
And she votes!!!
I don't think Joe Biden was Obama's FIRST Choice...
August 28, 2008 - 11:48 ET by JayTeeI think some VP choice told Obama NO....maybe more than 1 person told him NO?
Biden ? Deleware ? 3 electorial votes ? C'mon..!!
On the Surface it looks Stupid...and now with Biden talking it Sounds STUPID !
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
First choice
August 28, 2008 - 11:50 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, it was McCain. But he was busy.
LesserOf2evils '08
Obama's speech tonight...
August 28, 2008 - 12:20 ET by Clear thinkerA lot of people have made fun of the stage set-up at the stadium as Greek like, and some have suggested Obama will be coming out in a Toga.
Although his rhetoric is going to be tear jerking, the message will be the same... Follow me, follow me! This type of speech with a Greek background, reminds me more of... This. and this, and this, and this.
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I totally agree Clear.......
August 28, 2008 - 14:06 ET by BEGRUNTI mentioned yesterday this has all the trappings of "Triumph of the Will".....all they will need is the dark torch procession, and Leni Refenstahl to produce it. This is really going to turn people off.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
BEGRUNT...
August 28, 2008 - 14:36 ET by Clear thinkerThey are counting on a following of people that know nothing of history.
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Sad clear, isnt it?......
August 28, 2008 - 15:00 ET by BEGRUNTThe lack of historical knowlege, will allow the rise of another "Chosen One"......and the rest is history.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Tonight...Toga Toga
August 28, 2008 - 13:04 ET by bigtimerTonight...Toga Toga Toga!
....these are great pictures!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Great minds think alike. We
August 28, 2008 - 13:12 ET by ricklailGreat minds think alike. We posted at the same time. See above.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
TOGA
August 28, 2008 - 13:17 ET by Cool ArrowDid you read the comment "The part of the Minotaur will be played by Robert Reich"?
That's funny.
Torches & Pitchforks
Toga, Toga, Toga
August 28, 2008 - 13:14 ET by ricklailIt will be a real animal house in Denver tonight. By the way, the college football season begins tonight. At least there will be something good to watch besides the show at Mile High.
HELL BARRUCH or should that be hail?
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
I think you're looking for
August 28, 2008 - 19:11 ET by Indiana JoeI think you're looking for "HEIL," rick.
Uh-oh, here come the crazies...
August 28, 2008 - 14:38 ET by Clear thinkerHere Come The Hurricane Crazies.
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Oh, brother CT. Sad that
August 28, 2008 - 14:47 ET by MassConservOh, brother CT. Sad that this is real. That first one sounded almost rational until they blamed it all on the RNC.
Personally, I noticed how during the approach of Fay that our local meteorologists seemed to be first excited by the prospect and then disappointed when Fay didn't turn into a Cat 1 hurricane.