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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: McCain takes a five point lead!

McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll...McCain now has a 9-point edge, 49 percent to 40 percent, over Obama on the critical question of who would be the best manager of the economy -- an issue nearly half of voters said was their top concern in the November 4 presidential election...Obama's support among Democrats fell 9 percentage points this month to 74 percent, while McCain has the backing of 81 percent of Republicans. Support for Obama, an Illinois senator, fell 12 percentage points among liberals, with 10 percent of liberals still undecided compared to 9 percent of conservatives.

This is a huge swing. Is it due to McCain's ads, Obama's flip-flops, or recent interviews demonstrating the Messiah is an empty suit? How in trouble is the man who will solve all the world's problems?

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Is it possible through

Is it possible through these polls, we can say the American public still has a clue in spite of the MSM? They see Obama as a socialist and reject that course for this country.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

Sounds like Obama's chickens are coming home to roost.

 - But beware, this will be blamed on anything except his Q&A performance. Remember, if we thought he did badly, then we are just not thinking enough. ;-)

 

Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.

Once again we see

Once again we see meaningless polls being discussed as if they actually are meaningful.  Why do so many folks on both sides feel the need to waste time on these?

Its more fun tahn arguing

Its more fun tahn arguing with a T like you? 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Thank you for such an

Thank you for such an intellectual response.  I'll bet your parents are very proud of you.

Bruz, Dans parents are

Bruz, Dans parents are ashamed of him, but I am very proud of him.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Don't know about dad

But my mom allowed me to travel safely through the birth canal.

She's a conservative.

I ♣ my seal

oofa!

oofa!

Excellent point Cool! Your

Excellent point Cool! Your mom rocks! Screw the pro-choice crowd! Thank her for you being here to, well, be here, God bless her! Pro-choice sucks! I appreciate you and your God loving mom! Thank you! I'm here for the same reason, a God loving, life giving mom. Those who are pro-choice should be glad they are here today. God rules, period! Thanks Cool.

"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"

I'll pass it on Ruk

Guess I should say a word for dad, too.

As best he could, he supported all 12 of us kids, and never walked out on the tremendous pressure to provide.

Mom and dad have been together now for almost 60 years. What I got from dad is that they go to work, cuss their boss when they get home, and get up the next morning and start all over again.

That's something the Democrats have been highly successful at excising from our society.

I ♣ my seal

Cool...

Mom and dad have been together now for almost 60 years.

That's awesome man! Congrat's to your parents! I like you you more and more, my parents were together for 50 plus years before my dad passed. Good for you and your mom and dad, I salute you guys! God bless ya'll!!! Goes to show how good conservative beleifs work. Thank you Cool!

"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"

Steady polls

mean little or nothing except to gauge the overal inclination of the population polled. A swing in the poll numbers from the same population indicate a change in opinion for the period polled.

That's true, but still this

That's true, but still this far out from the election, what do they matter?  Everyone in politics knows this and talks about it.  When Obama is up in the polls, the Dems chatter about it while the Republicans say "these polls mean nothing."  When McCain is up the parties take the opposite stands.  The truth is that until you get within a couple of weeks of the election, polls mean nothing.  So why spend so much time yacking about them?

this far out from the election

What ever are you talking about. It's the latter part of Aug. The election is in Nov. Thats only 3 months out. You evidently have no concept. Sounds like your repeating old, outdated talking points.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Talking points?  I don't

Talking points?  I don't think so.  We have yet to have a single convention yet!  Here's how these things go... First the Dems will have their big to-do, and Obama will get a bump in the polls.  Then the Republicans will have theirs and McCain will get a bump.  Then come September we'll see things start to really heat up and by October we'll start to see polls that actually mean something.

There is only one poll, a

There is only one poll, a fact brought out by the last two elections, that counts and that is the onein Novemnber every four years (at least for teh President.)  The only thing these polls are good for is to pull chains like yours.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

The polls themselves don't

The polls themselves don't pull any of my chains as I know they are worthless.  I hear all these pro-Obama types doing verbal backflips on CNN or NBC when their guy is up, then hear the FNC guys doing backflips when McCain starts catching up to Obama.  What pulls my chain is all the time spent by the media trying to manufacture news by constantly reporting on these polls, while at the same time acknowledging that they are really meaningless.

When I hear someone like Hannity poo-pooing (and rightfully so) the accuracy or relevency of earlier polls that show Obama leading McCain, then loudly touting the importance of the same worthless polls that now show good news for McCain and treating them like so much political manna from heaven, my hipocrisy meter gets pegged and yes... my chain gets pulled. :)

There is one aspect of

There is one aspect of these polls that I think is somewhat key: "undecided voters."

Voters who are honestly on the fence have seemingly weathered the Obama frenzy up until this point. So if you're not swayed already, I'm not sure Obama can offer much more that would convince you to support his candidacy.

I would surmise that a majority of them are undecided because of a concern about Obama's experience vs. McCain as a "Washington insider." But at the end of the day, I would wager that more of the undecideds who head to the polls on election day will play it safe and vote for McCain's experience.

That's just my theory.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Let's just hold the election anyway just because

Because, Bruzilla, we can now cancel the elections!!!  Now that we know the outcome, why bother wasting the money holding them???

(Just in case McCain loses the election with an electoral vote 538-0, why don't we just go ahead and hold the election on November 4?) 

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

lol Great idea, but I

lol

Great idea, but I think the Dems and the MSM are just waiting for McCain to formally get the nomination and then they are going to open up on him huge.  There's a reason why they aren't mentiong the Keating 5 scandal, his wife's issues, his conduct as a POW, his dealings with Anheuser-Busch and Gannon Group Vietnam, etc., and my guess is they don't want Republicans changing their minds and picking someone else at the convention.  Once the MSM floods the airwaves with those stories, McCain is going to tank.

I doubt it.  At this point

I doubt it.  At this point Obama needs to be ahead by at least 15 points.  It getting late in the game for those kind of attacks without first proving Barak is ready to be President and he seems to be disproving that everyday when he has to speak without his teleprompter.  The McCain camp doesn't have to do anymore than it is already doing - let Obama say something, or in many cases say alot that translates to nothing, and then simply point out his inexperience and radical policy positions. 

Keating 5 is history and McCain's actions since then pretty much make it moot.  He can't be assailed on his POW status, that would be political suicide.  And nobody cares about his wife, she hasn't inserted herself into the election the way Michelle Obama has.  As the election draws nearer the emphasis will shift to issues and the independent/moderate voters will make the decision based on who is better suited to lead, which historically goes more to the more traditional candidate, in this case McCain.

You could be right... but I

You could be right... but I find it incredibly add that the Dems and MSM are really being mum about McCain despite his being ripe for all sorts of attacks.  It really makes me wonder why?  Take K-5 for example.  McCain got a pass on that because he was a new senator and the leadership at the time just wanted the whole thing to go away as painlessly as possible.  The reality was that McCain was a new senator but had been a Congressman for two terms and knew the rules as well as anyone.  He also escaped scrutiny because his wife, who was his accountant at the time, "lost" all the financial records.  The K-5 scandal is far from a dead issue as McCain got a pass back in the day, and I would expect the Dems/MSM to hammer him, yet they are being quiet as a tomb.  Again, it sure makes me wonder why.

They may unleash it as you

They may unleash it as you suspect.  I think they are hesitant though probably because he was cleared of any wrongdoing and in the last 20 years since then it would be hard to make a case against John McCain for being unethical.  Some would argue his ethics actually harm him politically as seen by the debacle of the McCain-Feingold bill.  Questioning McCain on ethics would probably backfire as much as questioning his patriotism.

Uhh

No one is perfect, and in our youth we often make some serious misjudgments.  Politicians are human, they make the same mistakes the rest of us do.  It always comes down to who has the better record.  McCain is much older than Obama and has a respectable record.  Obama has his mistake coffers full at young age.  Our nation needs someone who has the ability to lead, not brainwash.

...all SORTS of attacks...

Hey....I heard that McCain wet his diapers once. 

And someone told me Farrakhan said that GW did too!!!! 

My gawd, this WILL be Bush's Third Term. 

And Obamasiah is barely out

And Obamasiah is barely out of his diapers, politcal wise. McCain has tons more experience! Obamasiah is a baby, no experience, period. Deal with it!

"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"

....Right this Way....

Bruzdude:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > >

Please exit this way to    dailykos.com

You obviously took a, "wrong toin at abbakoikee."

 

It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a rational, logical thinker AND a Democrat

You know... it never ceases

You know... it never ceases to amaze me that anyone who posts on site that's purported to be against bias attracts so many people who are so biased themselves that they are incapable of seeing past them.  It's like the thought of an indepedent veiw escapes them.

If you make an anti-Obama comment on the Daily K, you must be some right-wing nutjob.  If you make an anti-McCain comment on here, you must be a Daily Kos nutjob.  I feel sorry for these folks, I really do.  It's like you're saying "there's no room for any anti-Republican comments while we're discussing Liberal bias!" lol

No bruz, make an anti obama

No bruz, make an anti obama comment on DK, and your posting privileges are revoked.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

So making comments against

So making comments against the favorite on DK gets you banned, and making them on here gets you attacked, called names, ridiculed, and you are asked to leave.  And the difference is???

I have neither attacked

I have neither attacked you, nor called you a name nor asked you to leave.  The difference would be, at DK you are no longer allowed to post. Here you are. That would come down to a "freedom of speech" issue. DK only belives in that freedom if you toe their line.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Actually, I wasn't talking

Actually, I wasn't talking about you but I'm sure you can see who's foot the shoe does fit. :)  As to the rest of your statement, I just see you trying to spotlight a difference without a distinction.  On Dk they ban you, some (not you) on here want to make you leave through name calling and the such.  So what's the difference?  To me both are examples of the same thing, i.e., we don't want to hear opposing viewpoints.  The efficiency of the methids may vary, but the intended results are the same.

I just remember when this forum was one where folks could discuss issues in a reasonable and informative way, unlike the DK ir DU where all you had was namecalling, labeling, accusations, etc., and now more and more it seems NB is becoming more and more like the forums we used to condemn for this sort of stuff.

Bruz, you still do not

Bruz, you still do not understand the difference???

I dont know about you sometimes. Anyway, as far as I am concerned, your welcome to post your opinion. Just cause I dont like it, dont mean you should be shut out. Besides, I need a good laugh now and then.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

When you open up with a

When you open up with a posit like this "Once again we see meaningless polls being discussed as if they actually are meaningful.  Why do so many folks on both sides feel the need to waste time on these" it deserves a like response and one you got.  It was funny you also decided to waste your time also.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

What gets me

Is that nobody else seems very interested in the VERY strange behavior of the gambling odds this year in spite of changes in the polls. Normally, they'll more or less, but never exactly, track eachother (but the political world needs graphs of both over time, and I'm not skilled or motivated enough to do it!). Anyway, I think it's far more interesting than this little tiff. I think only some of it can be explained by anti-Bush sentiment, especially in view of the past week's polls.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

The same thing

Back in 1998 the gambling community initially gave the Packers a 14 point advantage in Super Bowl XXXII.  Due to popular demand, the Packers became a 7 point favorite.

At no point did Paul Tagliabue feel the need to cancel the Super Bowl and award the Lombardi Trophy to the Packers because of this; rather, he trusted the results on the fields of battle.  The gamblers, as well as a good portion of the public, were proven wrong that day. 

I trust the bookies as much as I trust polls.  Which is to say, not at all. 

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

Nobody but you, as usual...

Is suggesting cancelling the election.

The polls where someone is not likely to lose something have a history of being less accurate and less timely than the gambling odds. Despite that, our biased media tends to ignore the odds on elections, so with the help of the internet I've made them harder for US persons to ignore for years. I'm not likely to stop, either, because the bookies are far more interesting to me than "accurate" polls where an annoyed person who just got interrupted by an unwanted phone call is assumed by media and political types to be accurate despite not being compensated in any way.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

It's a JOKE. HA. HA.

Nobody but you, as usual, is suggesting canceling the election.  Not my fault that you have no sense of humor and in spite of what your NB name implies, you are incapable of detecting sarcasm.  Bruzilla had no problem detecting both.  What's with you?

BOTH the bookies and the polls can be wrong and more often than not ARE wrong.  Chirp away about how great the bookies are; they are as accurate as my looking into a crystal ball or rolling a 20-sided dice in predicting various events.  Besides, it garners much attention for you, doesn't it? 

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing gt thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for themedal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

I detected it, the first 25 times...

*Yawn*

My point was that you're boring, not funny, when you try & fail to make the same old joke. You're the one incapable of humor, and it's obvious by your rage and attention-seeking bluster. It's not working with me because I show you only the respect you deserve, which infuriates you, as seen above & elsewhere, but if that somehow counts as "a joke" it might explain the somewhat narrow popularity of "NewsBusted."
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

The Boor

Well, you are a boor, and I'd rather be boring than a total boor. (Besides, it is boring TO YOU, but apparently not to others who have responded in the opposite.)  Not to mention an immature middle aged boy whose life is so pathetic he visits a blog to get respect.  You don't have to respect me, sweetie, nor does anyone else here.  (I think you need that drilled into that incredibly thick skull of yours - how many times have I had to tell you that after you stupidly and childishly play the tired "respect" card?) I get more than enough from my peers, friends and family, and people in varying professions.  But if you must have that to puff yourself up, feel free.  Whatever keeps you from looking at the shower curtain rod longingly...  

It is very amusing to be scolded and lectured by said middle-age boy about rage and attention-seeking bluster.  Considering you stated in a post you knew would draw negative attention "flame away".  I also take into consideration any time anyone disagrees with you in the absolute slightest in regard to your obsessive devotions, which you respond to with absolute, barely controllable rage.  Once again, you argue like the Leftists you so despise, this time by accsuing others of what you constantly, routinely do. 

I have yet to see an episode of NewsBusted - I am in the midst of other more burning issues - but it sounds to me as if your attitude towards it is of a near-impossible to please spoiled elementary school student whose sole existence is to sit around and decry everything as stupid, unfunny or somehow beneath you.  Maybe you can try your hand at improving it if you can make it better.  Hell, there are even monetary rewards to be had for that. 

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing gt thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for themedal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

"Middle aged" is an insult?

What is someone supposed to do about their age?

Charo got hers legally changed - did it make any difference?

If you don't think you have plenty of rage

You must not read your own comments. And for someone who's supposedly not upset that I & others don't respect him, you've sure gone on and on, but you're still boring.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Unsane:

Bookies aren't trying to predict the game results.  They are setting odds to balance their book.

During the glory years of the 49'ers, Tahoe odds-makers had to give any given opponent long odds indeed to balance the bets.  There were just far too many 9'er bettors.

That's a very interesting

That's a very interesting insight, could you go a little more into detail how that works?

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

dscott:

A bookie's goal is to precisely balance his book of bets - 50% on each team.  The wins are off-set by the losses and the bookie pockets his vig on 100% of the action.

A great many sport punters bet with their hearts and not their heads.  During the glory days of the 49'ers, the Cowboys, the Raiders, the Steelers - name a dynasty - it was always very difficult for a local bookie to balance his book.  Far too many people always wanted to bet on the home team.  [This is an example to prove the point - the fact remains that in every case other than low dollar volume silly prop bets like the coin flip the principle holds true.]

So the bookie stretches the odds (or the spread, or the runs, depending on the sport) to entice money over to the weak side until the book balances.

A bookie's odds are therefore not a prediction of the game outcome (a common misconception).  That's up to touts and prognosticators.  A bookie's odds are set - and changed as required - to balance the book of bets.

Wilson,

You finally got something right. I'm proud of you.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

RESTLESS 1:

It just isn't that hard.  Kind of like reality - but most folks here have seem to have a very hard time understanding the obvious.  They keep trying to cram the real world into their preconceived box and it just don't fit.  That's why right wing nut radio is so popular - Ole BlunderRush and Sheer Insannity and the rest of the deranged mob keep telling 'em what they want to hear and they just keep lapping it up.  Beats facing the real world for 'em, I guess...

wow wilson!

Name calling and en masse insults to make yourself feel smarter than the neocons! I feel so much more enlightened after reading that!

Cantdance:

Still sticking up for the bullies and bigots, I see.  I'm sure those who make a fat living spreading lies, racism and miscellenous bile and vitrol appreciate you coming to their widdle defense.  Sheer Insannity brings on an "abortion expert" who claims Chinese people eat babies.  Just the sort of person you'd stick up for, isn't it?

These merchants of hate have proven over and over again they can dish it out but not take it.  Now they can count on you to protect them from big evil me.   How sweet...

Tacky, frank.

Keep it up. 

Apologize for doing that to her name.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

rofpmsl @ frank

Wow, you found a clever way to pick on my name! I haven't heard that since kindergarten! Once again you prove your intellect far superior to mine.

And while we're at it, I'd like to point out that reading comprehension is a really helpful tool. I am not a fan of Sean Hannity and never attempted to defend him. I merely pointed out that your name calling and condescension do nothing to win people over.

Reload with actual ammo and try that again. My eight year old neice is waiting for more inspiration.

Socialist blather

 That's why right wing nut radio is so popular - Ole BlunderRush and Sheer Insannity and the rest of the deranged mob keep telling 'em what they want to hear and they just keep lapping it up.   This from a Socialist who so blindly follows Leftist orthodoxy and dogma that he can't even come up with his own creative cutsie little names for Limbaugh and Hannity.   Hell, this comment alone tells me you absolutely positively cannot tolerate any views other than your own and that one of your goals is to SHUT PEOPLE UP that disagree with you in the slightest. 

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing gt thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for themedal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

Unsane:

Ole BlunderRush (c) and Sheer Insannity (c) are both original.

Well now...that is

Well now...that is something to be mighty proud of.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Thank you!

But flattery will get you nowhere...

Thanks for the

Thanks for the explanation.  So the long odds are an inducement, i.e. risk versus reward calculation a person has to make betting on the off chance the favorite will lose.  Would you say those who run horse race tracks use the same logic?

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

dscott:

It is a rare pleasure to have an adult "conversation" on NB.  "I like to talk to a man who likes to talk..."  I'm going to guess that there isn't much in the world of politics that you and I would agree on, we can still be friendly and civil.  Particularly on other matters.

Horse racing is the same in that the track perfectly balances its betting book but they use a different system to do so because there are more than two (win/lose) or three (win/lose/tie) outcomes.

Horse racing betting is "paramutual" - odds are established by how the bettors bet.  In essence there is no House - each punter is betting against all the other players.

Well, Frank it's like this,

Well, Frank it's like this, like you say in the area of politics we probably aren't going to agree on much, we both have our entrenched POVs. Like you, I will buy into an explanation if it intuitively makes sense and I can cross check if something doesn't pass the sniff test.  I see no sense in being mean for mean's sake, yes I am cruel and calculating as a lib would define it.  If you may have noticed Leon (now banned) and I got along just fine.  We agreed to disagree and respected that we each had a POV we strongly held.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Don't try to convince the master

You're talking about economics, and it's an area of economics where our Unhinged friend is 100% clueless but will never admit it, so you might as well be fighting the tides. Anyway, you're correct, professional bookies don't really care (unlike pollsters) which is one of the reasons I trust them more than I trust media financed polls, despite the whiner-contingent's whines.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Who's the "favorite" on NB?

Who's the "favorite" on NB? To save you wasting time, you'll have to do way better than John McCain.

While there are plenty of conservatives here who'll defend McCain aginst unfair media criticism, I'm on safe ground in stating that he is FAR from an NB "favorite."

There are even conservative posters here who won't vote for him come what may.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

There are other conservative posters here

Who seem to think Republicans are always entitled to all conservative voters' votes. In effect, this attitude rewards & reinforces the very RINOs they decry.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

The Difference Is....

Bruzmaan,

The difference is that unlike your liberal friends (who pay LIP SERVICE to caring for people, but really want to keep them down so they can retain power), the good folk here on Newsbusters really care about the well being of all their brothaas.

You just seem like such an unhappy fella.  No one has "asked you to leave."  We just want you to be happy, and felt maybe that you might be less stressed out if you were in a place where your great intellect, global view and peaceful vision would be more appreciated and admired. 

(See....not one named called, nary a ridicule, and just a serene, quiet thought to help your day turn out wonderful!!!!)

Whoa there, Pal

This site is for those who like scotch....

Kool-aid drinkers are just more comfortable at the 'koz.

Bruzilla

"...it never ceases to amaze me that anyone who posts on site that's purported to be against bias..." 

NB's masthead features the ever-important tagline that defines what this site's purpose is, which is:

Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias

not

Exposing & Combating Liberal Bias

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

You should have watched teh

You should have watched teh two houtr long specials on teh canditates.  One was on Obama and on on McCain and they brought it all out.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Oh, there'll major tanking, but its gonna be your boy

The MSM/Dems are just lurking in the shadows waiting for Mac's nomination? Please, like any of them would have the self-restraint to withhold even FOR ONE SECOND any dirt on McCain. They're making crap up on the fly there're so desperate, like McCain playing the race card.

For every one of those McCain 'attack points' you just mentioned (and they're all ancient history and have nothing to do with the current issues in this election) there will be many more new fresh ones surfacing about Obama. The facade has just begun to crack, and we haven't seen anything yet.

Bru, You are obviously a

Bru, You are obviously a hatemonger, making statemets like that.

You sound one of those western PA bitter clingers n'nat.

 

Ok, seriously, you are 100% correct. Polls blow, regardless of who they favor. Sure, they MIGHT give a glimpse of the nation on a superficial scale, but I cannot get too excited one way or another.

All my hatemongering is

All my hatemongering is focused on the %&$%head who thought Brian "Glass Ankles' Leftwich would make a good back-up quarterback. :)

Perhaps Obama will want to

Perhaps Obama will want to do more than 3 debates and possible a few townhalls?  I mean when Hillary went south she got on the ball and was willing to do what it took, but failed and crashed and burned.  Perhaps O'Riely will get him on his show on Oriely's terms.

Nothing to see here folks move along. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Nothing really matters.... yet

Poll numbers are going to fluxuate from now until November.  It will start with a bounce from the Democratic National Convention.  Then it will swing back after the Republican National Convention.  (Of course, these are providing that nothing catostrophic happens, like in 1968... and provided that the press covers it.) 

 

Then it's the stretch to November where we will have debates and wall-to-wall coverage.


 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


Nothing really matters yet

How will it get better?

As far as poll numbers fluctuating, where did all of the independents go?

After watching Saddleback, what advantages do you foresee for Obama in future debates?

What will happen with brother George Hussein and Mr Ayres?

JDW


DAILY WAVE

as I told my hubby saturday

as I told my hubby saturday night.....if John McCain isn't 5 points in the lead by wednesday. something isnt right in America.

I hope America is waking up to Obama....hes more then scary.

mom

Hey Mom!!

What are those MegaMillions numbers gonna be this Friday???!!!  

Not a huge surprise

I expected McCain to get a bump after the Georgia/Russia conflict and the Saddleback forum. I didn't necessarily expect it to be this much however. I'd be curious to see how the state-by-state polling looks right now.

The polls will fluctuate for the next few weeks. Obama will get a bump from the convention(and possibly from his VP choice). McCain will get a bump from his convention(and again maybe from his VP choice).

The real defining moment of this campaign and what I've been eagerly anticipating is the debates. I've always maintained that McCain would do a lot better in that arena than the pundits would have us believe and Saddleback proved that. The key is can he take it to Obama and make him look like the amateur that he is.

It's Foolish to Think That

It's foolish to think that McCain would do poorly in the debates. He's been honing his debate skills on every Sunday news show for the last ten years.  I doubt he's capable of being surprised by a question anymore or of having difficulty answering on the fly.

Obama has no such experience and it showed on Saturday.

He's very practiced...

For example, I've seen him crack the "paternity or a criminal issue" joke a few times when he mentions the $3 million spent studying grizzly bear DNA; but McCain never seems to mention the fact that he, too, voted for the bear pork in the end as part of a spending package. Someone with Obama's debate prep team is going to find a few things like that and there will be a memorized comeback for each one.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

I disagree cj

McCain had several poor performances in the GOP primary debates and has never been known as a good speaker. It's true that he did well with Rick Warren, but one good night does not a pattern make.

You are correct about Obama doing poorly in live debates though. My gut feeling is that moderators will use tricks to confuse McCain (talking fast, using big words, etc) and most debates will end in a draw.

As much as I like it...

...I'm going to have to go with "outlier" for now.  Other polls listed on RCP have shown a continued "tightening" of the race, but still with Obama having a slight margin. I'm going to need to see a couple more with McCain in the lead before I'll believe them.

Hmmm...whaddya know...while writing this...GWU Battleground: McCain +1

LATimes (which -always- polls high for Dems), Obama +2.

I take back most of my initial skepticism.

Here's the thing; If Obama

Here's the thing; If Obama is leading in the polls by 2 points, and he's leading in safe Dem states like California by, say, 15 points.

That does not bode well for Obama's candidacy in the battleground states, where this campaign will be won.

A state-by-state breakdown is necessary to see where this race actually stands. I'd say it's definitely swung in McCain's favor at this point in time.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

The precipitous Drop is all MSM's and BHO's responsibility

The Public was Waterboarded by the MSM forcing Obamer down our throats 24/7, and the MSM tells us that's TORTURE....and the Public Responded.

BHO showed us who..uh..with...uh..duh..uh, whom he really is ....and the Public Responded.

Now no one in the MSM will talk about Polls (including Biff) for months...and the DNC Convention needs a BIG Bounce for uh..uhduh...Obamer.   

 

The Republican Revolution will not be Televised

If last week is any

If last week is any indication Obama better be careful. His answers were wishy washy while McCains were fast and to the point. His arrogance in the fact he cannot admit he was wrong about the surge is very troubling.

I still say he will pick Senator Clinton as his VP, it will be his best chance or only chance to win now.

Real life video games are cool

Call me a hard hearted

Call me a hard hearted American, but when that young lady Johnson won a gold medal last night and they did an interview with her on TV, I lost all respect for the little creep when I saw she was wearing peace symbols as earrings.

I am of an age where the peace symbol is still the track of the American chicken.  She disrespected our troops in the field, and our country on worldwide TV, all the while in a communist country! And don't give me any of that freedom of expression crap, you want to express any of that crap, do it on your own soil.  Makes me wish the little Chicom had won, at least she's honest about her communism.

c'mon Rex

Shawn Johnson is 16. She wasn't around back then to see how the peace symbol was used by radicals. I didn't take it as a remark on America's foreign policy as much as a teenage girl wishing the world was a simpler place.

This kind of anger and name calling is the stuff of HuffPo.

I agree.  To her generation

I agree.  To her generation the peace sign is just something "cool and retro to wear". 

Precisely

I saw a clip the other day where they asked high school students what Watergate meant.

"Oh, that's where Monica Lewinsky lives".

Scary, huh?

I saw those earrings as well, and I agree, it's a retro fashion thing (as bad as those stupid platform shoes), nothing more.   

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I own a pretty cool "Jerry

I own a pretty cool "Jerry Garcia" tie. I sure hope it doesn't mean I'm representing anything more than a color scheme that completes an outfit.

The peace symbol in this context means nothing to me. Perhaps she meant, "Peace through superior firepower." Or maybe it was a subtle jab at the peace-disrupting Russians.

I'm still glad that we've proven that the state doesn't have to snatch 3-year-old kids from their parents in order to create Gold Medal Olympians. Just a second and third mortgage on the house will do.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

I want to believe the HS

I want to believe the HS students were spouting off inane statements for a joke.  I mean thats what I would do.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

 Well, hell. I wrote

 Well, hell. I wrote that I was a hard hearted American. Please refer to the kids picture on NB a little further up from this post from Texas...there's your retro. And as far as HuffPo, I've never read it, don't intend to. And I'll be damned if I've got mine own opinion.

She could have been

She could have been  flashing the V for victory rather than a "peace" sign. After all, it was the generation of the 60's that changed the sign form victory to peace. 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Still no big effect by the polls

On those eeeevil odds.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Problem With Limbaugh Tactic

I've been stewing for a while regarding something Rush has
been doing regarding BHO. We’ve all heard Obama speak without his
teleprompter. His words are agonizingly
slow and his sentences full of “ahs” and “ers”.
It’s an extreme example of parsing on the fly. It’s annoying at best and shows a total lack
of commitment to substance at worst.

Limbaugh’s program has strung together a series of these
"ahs" and "ers”. The tape
goes on for several minutes. The tape
itself is unbelievably annoying and its repetition even more so. Rush’s points are that either the Messiah is
an empty suit because of the way he talks without a script, or a slippery liar
parsing every syllable.

Someone, and I guess it’s me, has got to remind Rush one
might string together a tape of his hero William F. Buckley’s “ahs” and “ers”. We all know Buckley was the furthest thing
from an empty suit on this planet, but his speech was often hesitating. Someone, and I guess it’s me, has got to
remind Rush one might string together a tape of Condi Rice’s “ahs” and
“ers”. She rarely finishes a sentence
without taking a detour. Surely she
isn’t being slippery (but speaking for State she might need to be).

There has to be a better way to defeat the enemy in (as Rush
would say) the marketplace of ideas than to continually mock their
speaking. For that matter someone might
easily string together a tape of Limbaugh’s own “ahs” and “ers”. While he’s suave, smooth and articulate on
the fly, he slips in a few pensive modifiers himself. It would be easy enough for a technically
savvy person to put a dandy one together from the words of El Rushbo himself.

CWG

Your concern would necessarily require an admission that both Buckley and Obama were substantive in their communication.

Buckley, for all his stammering, did eventually make sense. His efforts weren't obvious obfuscations.

I ♣ my seal

Correct

My point exactly.

Thank you for the excellent

Thank you for the excellent point you make.  Anyone who bashes Obama for his "ahs" should also be bashing McCain for his constant "my friends, this is an issue that is blah, blah, blah", Gore and Clinton's constant "I'm glad you asked that question...", etc. delays.  They are all forms of the same condition, that being fear of a pause while you're thinking about something, and a very natural thing for most people to do.

By the way... Rush often does a "well, ah" followed by a loud exhale in those situations.  I wonder if he'll make a compilation tape of that? :)

Is anyone labeling Rush,

Is anyone labeling Rush, Condi, McCain, Buckley, etc, as so well-spoken, so articulate, etc?

No. With Obama, it's a requirement. His speaking abilities are practically legendary.

And to equate McCain's "my friend" with Obama's uh, uh,uh, er, uh, is, well, uh, uh, uh...reaching. Though he uses it too much, he isn't using it as a buffer while he thinks of something to say because he's afraid to tell people what he really thinks.

CNN rank hypocrisy

CNN is reporting singer James Brown may have been the product of incest. A man named Kevin Jones claims to be Brown's half brother.

So somebody tell me again why the Barry Obama & Larry Sinclair story never made it to CNN.

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let's not celebrate quite

let's not celebrate quite yet. The coronation/nomination convention hasn't been held yet, and Obama 'graciously' is allowing HRC to be 'nominated'. If we get too happy about McCain, the DNC might realize that Empty-Suit-BO might not be up to the challenge and order HRC be nominated. Never underestimate the powers of the DNC to order anything!

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

I doubt it....

The DNC is nowhere near smart enough to "order" The Shill One nominated at their convention next week.

H-O-W-E-V-E-R, the Clintons ARE devious enough AND evil enough to pull it off.

 

"Only when their beating hearts have stopped, can we be absolutely certain that the Clintons will no longer be trying to destroy the wonderful country." 

Which is probably why they

Which is probably why they are now talking about McCain's lead in the polling numbers.  The Clintonites are meticulously laying the foundation of the August Surprise at the Dem Convention.  By the time the first ballot is cast, it will be perfectly obvious that Obama can not win the general election and therefore the Dems must have a more effective challenger to McCain, namely the tag team called the Clintons. 

Let's face it, even with the typical bounce one expects in the polls immediately after the Nominating Convention, with the GOP convention hot on it's heels McCain will still be ahead.  That makes the Dem leadership very nervous.  The time to fish or cut bait has come, it's go with a sure loser in Obama but not upset your base (Blacks and ultralibs) but losing the Clinton supporters OR have the Clintons be the nominee and lose the Black vote and some of the ultralibs but pick up most of the RINOs.  That's the calculation the Dem leadership is agonizing about. 

IMO, in the short term with the Clintons they at least have a shot at the POTUS for 2008, on the other hand they can let Obama go down in flames and set up the Clintons for 2012.  The upside for the Dems in losing 2008 will be forever convincing the Black vote that they must stay on the Dem plantation in order to have their so called issue (group identity) to even be considered.  Blacks in general have been so brainwashed by the Dems to believe their pandering to Black's group identity of victimization is actually better for them than going with the GOP and assimilating.  That's the real issue here, Blacks fear as a group to lose their identity rather than benefit individually by assimilation as understood by embracing the GOP.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

From d1 to dscott.... I

From d1 to dscott....

I share all of your sentiments you mention.

Going to be interesting in Denver.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

"The time to fish or cut

"The time to fish or cut bait has come, it's go with a sure loser in
Obama but not upset your base (Blacks and ultralibs) but losing the
Clinton supporters OR have the Clintons be the nominee and lose the
Black vote and some of the ultralibs but pick up most of the RINOs.
That's the calculation the Dem leadership is agonizing about. "

It's not even a semi-difficult decision. Dems cannot win without the black vote. They may lose with Obama; they WILL lose without him this year, and will lose elections for years to come.

I hope they are, but honestly, I don't think even the Dems are that dumb. 

"the DNC might realize that

"the DNC might realize that Empty-Suit-BO might not be up to the
challenge and order HRC be nominated. Never underestimate the powers of
the DNC to order anything!"

Let's hope so. Doing that guarantees we keep the White House, and maybe even pick up a few seats in Congress.

The bigger question here is

The bigger question here is whether Hillary and Company are going to use recent poll results and whatever "smoking gun" they have up their sleeve to derail the convention in Denver and rob Obama of his nomination. There must be some reason they pushed for a rollcall other than the reason stated, that is, "so that the voices of Hillary supporters can be heard". Clintonian ambition knows no bounds. They would rather see the country burn than forfeit something for which they believe they are entitled. Denver is going to be quite a show and, hopefully, an awakening for many Americans!

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

Congress limits advertising for tobacco

Before our congress critters went on vacation they had just enough time to vote on more restrictions for tobacco. Aside from the bright idea of letting the FDA control tobacco production (which actually favors Big Tobacco over smaller companies on American soil) this bill will also put even more restrictions on advertising.

So....we get more government control, more limits on free speech, and more of the industry being controlled by Phillip Morris, all thanks to Pelosi and the Dems.

Meanwhile some of my friends who work for RJ Reynolds have been told that they're getting laid off as soon as the Senate votes it through. So much for the Dems looking out for the little guy.

Kleptocracy

Of course those regulations would favor "Big Tobacco"!  The government would prefer to steal from larger, more profitable operations when the time comes instead of a bunch of little guys.   

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

no unsane

You're missing a small detail here. Phillip Morris has moved their main HQ to Switzerland and only has a smaller, more limited presence on American soil. They have lobbied Congress to pass these laws to stymie competition from RJR and Lorillard. And Pelosi wanted the FDA to control one more industry so badly that she didn't even realize she was being played by PM.

Phillip Morris

In 1996 when I got laid off from Duke Power I put in an application with Phillp Morris in Concord. They called me on the Friday before I was supposed to report here for my new job. I told them thanks but I had a job. A lot of the guys that were laid off with me went to work there. They closed the Concord plant last year or early this year so those poor guys were having to find work again. I am glad that I didn't go to work there. PM is a traitor.

Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.

good decision rick

My hubby did two internships with what he called "Uncle Phil" - one at the Richmond office and one at the plant in Concord. He said their hiring policies were ridiculous. By the end of the second year he knew he didn't want to work for them.

The triad is quickly becoming the Detroit of the south, and much of it is due to heavy tax burdens and the war against tobacco. Every time I hear McCain brag about "taking on Big Tobacco" I see the empty buildings in downtown Winston. That's what happens every time the government gets involved.

I think we should add the

I think we should add the empty buildings in Durham too. The only thing that city has going for it is DOOK and Mike Nifong.  

Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.

 Don't forget candance,

 Don't forget candance, democrats love the jobs, hate the employers. They stopped looking out for the "little" guy in 1964.

Exactly Right

Remember, John "Secret Sauce" Zogby had a hand in this poll. He's been known to be wrong before.

Some things McCain supporters should consider:

As most of you know, I am not a McCain supporter. I believe a McCain presidency will be an unmitigated long-term disaster for this nation. I will either be casting my vote for Bob Barr, or more likely skipping the presidential choices altogether.

If socialism really is making a comeback as it did in the 1970's (and I believe it is) better that the American people, with their painfully short memories, see it fail under the tutelage of a 100% democrat-controlled government, as it did under Jimmy Carter, who quite possibly was the most incompetent boob to ever occupy the Oval Office.

The long-term consequences of seeing socialism fail under a "republican" president are just too bitter to contemplate, as McCain is only a notch or two to the right of Barry-O, who I see as 100% Marxist.

Honestly, have any of you heard Obama say he is going to raise taxes on the "wealthy" to increase government revenue? I haven't. Apparently the only reason he intends to raise taxes is to redistribute income. It doesn't get more Marxist than that. What is distressing to no end is that half the voters in this country are planning to vote for this idiot.

As the government-schooled American people now believe that presidents actually "run" the economy, McCain, if elected, will be sure to get the brunt of the blame when it tanks. And make no mistake, it is going to tank, regardless of who is in the Oval Office.

Joseph Farah, the founder of WorldNetDaily, and who I have a great deal of respect for, has weighed in on this topic yet again. An excerpt from his latest book has been divided into two parts and posted on his website:

Part I     Part II

Honestly, it may be too late, as I have never seen so many Americans in our history afflicted with the entitlement mentality as there are today. The only way I see to remedy this dangerous situation is to allow the American people to be rudely awakened from their apparent indifference.

Vote however you like, but at least pause for a moment to consider the consequences of that vote for future generations of Americans.

-Dave.

Vote None of the Above in '08!

RD, a non-vote or a vote

RD, a non-vote or a vote for Bob Barr IS a vote for Obama. Considering BB is an isolationist view, and dangerous. Tho I agree with Barr on a number of issues, there are a few of his positions that would be very disasterous for the nation. Mc, for all of his short commings, is much better than Obama. Obama's spending will destroy the country, financially. Jimmy Carter will look like a piker after 4 years. The military will be a mear shaddow of its self. If you wish to go back to a misery index, gas lines and such, vote BB or sit it out.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

bass, we went through this in the late 1970's.

Imagine what would have happened later if Jimmy Carter had been a republican.

I am guessing it would have been eight years of a Walter Mondale type, or worse.

-Dave.

Vote None of the Above in '08!

Dave

I heard Mr. Farah yesterday on Hannity. He made a lot of sense.  

By the way, why not give Chuck Baldwin a look.

Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.

Careful, even Linden

Careful, even Linden LaRusch sounds sane for the first five minutes until he goes off on a conspiracy theory.  Mr. Farah has his own little conspiracy theories...

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

dscott, so we should discount everything Farah says?

I realize their are a few conspiracy theories running around over at WND, but I have seen a few flying around here as well. I am not willing to discount everything I read on a site based on what some contributors to it might be saying.

There are things posted here by both contributors and members that I do not agree with, but that doesn't make this site any less credible.

I believe Mr. Farah has laid out a very plausible (if not probable) scenario of what will happen down the road should McCain or Obama become president next January.

If you need a reference point, just look at the years 1976-1980. We have been here before. Only this time, we are a nation teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. At this point, I see neither major party willing to do what is necessary to head off what I believe will ultimately be a financial disaster for this nation-one that will finally bring about the sort of country the socialists have been working toward for over eight decades now.

I would love for my three nieces and my nephew to grow up in a country that enjoyed the same rights and freedoms that I did. As things currently stand, that is not going to happen.

I blame the republicans as well as the democrats for this. 

-Dave.

Vote None of the Above in '08!

dscott

your post sounds very conspiratorial      ≠↔≠

"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission" 

When I come up with

When I come up with conspiracy theory I call it just that "my conspiracy theory of the week".  type in dscott and those words in the search box and see how many times I've said it. ;-)

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

First, if socialism takes

First, if socialism takes over and fails as you predict, America will be ready for non-socialist policies period, no matter who is president. If socialism fails under a Republican president, Americans aren't going to be ready for even more socialism under a Democrat. If democrats wise up and deliver non-socialist, pro-capitalist policies, I will vote democrat. It's not about party for me, it's about policy.

Second, McCain, though I don't like him much, is more than a notch or two to the right of Obama.

Third, you're worried about McCain, yet ok with Bob"open borders/ACLU" Barr. That's funny.

Last, choosing certain disaster when another option is available is never a good choice, imho.

ckc, I believe a McCain win WILL be followed 4 years later by...

...eight years of either Obama or Hillary.

If that happens, you can kiss this country good-bye.

-Dave.

Vote None of the Above in '08!

Maybe the tides are

Maybe the tides are turning.

Here's another fun poll from Sen. Inhofe.

D

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Obama on the slide

It seems the talking heads have forgotten that Obama lost nearly every meaningful primary contest during the last month of the season.  He barely managed to crawl to the end of the race.

His support is soft in the important States and Americans simply don't trust him and don't think he has the experience to be Commander in Chief*.

(*Note to Chris Matthews: No, that is NOT shorthand for racism.  Experience really DOES MATTER!!).

2008 Democrat Platform

Ha anyone here read the Democrat Platform  and compared it to the Socalist Party Platform? I would be willing to bet the farm that they are eerily similiar.

Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.

Obama's unlikely endorsement

Country singer Toby Keith has decided to endorse Obama and is now saying he's been a Democrat all along. Quite a different story than what he gave us five years ago when he told Dan Rather he was not loyal to any party over another.

 

Father forgive him for he

Father forgive him for he knows not what he does.  I guess the Dixie Chicks mentality has rubbed off on Toby Kieth.  I predict a drop in record sales and concert reciepts for this poor lad.  I guess also the ability to sing doesnt include any claim to intellegence. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Father forgive him for he

Father forgive him for he knows not what he does.  I guess the Dixie Chicks mentality has rubbed off on Toby Kieth.  I predict a drop in record sales and concert reciepts for this poor lad.  I guess also the ability to sing doesnt include any claim to intellegence. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Candance

My daughter was telling me this when I was visiting her about 2 weeks ago. I told here I didn't believe her and wanted to know where she heard something so ridiculous. I guess I owe her an apology. To think, the way he went after the Dixie Chicks.

I am not going to be buying any more of his records or Ford Trucks. Maybe the guys at local country station, WRNS, will quit playing his records. They say they are 100% for America and if you don't like it you can find another station.

Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.

While I clearly disagree

While I clearly disagree with his endorsement, I think we should take a step back to judge this before banning him and all he touches.

If he, indeed, has always been a Democrat, and yet he put his country before his party, and called out those who acted unpatriotically... why would we be disappointed by that? I actually see that as somewhat admirable. Perhaps even more impressive than if he were a Republican.

From what I've seen, he's couched his endorsement as a positive for Obama, not a slam against McCain. Were he to start down that path, then I might be more inclined to stop buying his products. Well, I guess I'd have to start buying them before I could stop buying them...

My mom is a lifelong Democrat and most likely will be voting for the Democratic in November. Should I ban her apple pie?

 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

My mom is a lifelong

My mom is a lifelong Democrat and most likely will be voting for the Democratic in November. Should I ban her apple pie - You should lay out the facts for her and then tilt your head and squint your eyes, and tell her you will most likley choose the nursing home she will reside in. LOL

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

She just left a job at a

She just left a job at a nursing home that had become a miserable place to work. Yeah, I'll threaten to choose that one for her. Perfect!

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

this is slightly different

Toby Keith defined his career several years ago by fighting with the Dixie Chicks and appealing to Republican listeners. Then he comes out last year and says he doesn't like the war in Iraq and wants our troops to leave, and now he's endorsing the most liberal politician in America.

Apparently the Statue of Liberty only shakes her fist to boost record sales.

I doubt that Toby Keith did

I doubt that Toby Keith did this for record sales. Isn't country music's audience pretty conservative?

Bal,

Yes it is, and it is comparatively small as well. Cross-over success may be what he is after. Doesn't matter to me either way, I don't care what entertainers have to say about politics.

"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

catch up Bal

You misread me.

My point was that Keith wrote feel good songs to attract Republican listeners, made a fortune off the ploy, and is now showing his true colors.

I wonder if the troops in Iraq will stillbe singing along with "Courtesy of the Red White and Blue" when they find out how he really feels about the war.

Candance, I wonder why the

Candance, I wonder why the response hasn't been nearly as hateful or vocal as it was to the Dixie Chicks. People sent them death threats, called for their citizenship to be taken away - all around lost their minds. It was a disturbing display.

Frankly, I think he's much worse than they were. They were honest from day one. He lied about his beliefs to make money. He's pathetic.

Couple that with the fact

Couple that with the fact that his music is horrible, and I would suspect this guy won't sell many more records in the future.

I'd like to read more about

I'd like to read more about Keith's motivation before handing out any judgements. It's possible that he "suckered in" the Right, but I think it's also possible that he has had a change of heart.

change of heart?

For someone who sat in an interview with Dan Rather and blatantly said that he was neither Dem nor Republican, and to now confide that he's been a Democrat all along and thinks Obama is the best thing since Bill Clinton? That doesn't sound like a change of heart to me.

It's not like he woke up one day and said "gee I should endorse Obama." He did major PR campaigns to support the troops in Iraq, did free concerts there, everything, and now says "oops I didn't agree with the troops being over there all along."

Toby Keith and Iraq

candance, as a disclaimer, I don't like country music anyways.  Too damn slow for me.  :-)  But this very much surprises me.  For one who has been against the Iraq War all along, he sure put on a much-anticipated show at the base I was deployed at this past spring. 

I too am wondering how he will be greeted in the future if he does any more USO tours, if, that is, he does any USO tours from here on out.   

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

It must be due to BSNBC devoting too much time to the

Olympics and not enough to the Obama campaign.

 

 

"I need more cowbell!" SNL

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Hye, maybe Fox should award MSNBC it's coverage of the MLB playoffs and World Series this year. One time offer, all free, and all you have to do is show all of the games in prime time.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Buyers remorse for Dems is

Buyers remorse for Dems is inevitable. 

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Reuters/Zogby realise that the underdog in the polls wins

For at least the last two president elections, hasn't the "underdog"(according to the "polls")  won?  I know they had Kerry set to win in '04, and I believe they had Gore on top in 2000.  Maybe Reuters/Zogby  realize that if they keep skewing their numbers (which are bogus anyway) to show that Hussein Obama is leading by a wide margin, their base will get lazy and not show up for the voting.  If they show him lagging behind, the liberals will be afraid they are going to lose again and vote en masse.

McCain's lead in the polls

McCain's lead in the polls as far as I am concerned is for a variety of reasons, but first and foremost the best thing McCain ever did was get rid of Weaver and hire Rick Davis, you can see the change and tactics watching McCain now...it goes without saying that Obama's arrogance is doing him in, the msm cannot cover that up try as they might...of course the obvious bias and over-saturation with the msm for their messiah goes against the grain of the majority of people, people don't like the leftist, it has nothing to do with race...plus he is dumber than a box of rocks when not fed by a tele-prompter. 

McCain has moved some to the right, plus his performance with Rick Warren was a grand slam, so I think his numbers will even rise some more as long as he does not pick a pro-abortion running mate.

McCain is getting more comfortable in front of the cameras also, more comfortable in his own skin....and it's showing.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT

BT,

I agree. I think that McCain is starting to look presidential, and Obama is looking more and more childish and clueless.

Is it possible -- and I don't mean this in a sexist way -- that Obama only looked good compared to Hillary? Now that he's being compared to a long-term senator with a strong military background, Obama isn't measuring up visually or quantitatively.

I think once you get these folks on the same stage, Obama will shrink even further. ns

Noel... I think once you

Noel...

I think once you get these folks on the same stage, Obama will shrink even further. ns

I agree with you here...and unfortuanately the rhetoric he is using to pounce on McCain with now makes him look plain foolish and immature...the msm cannot cover that up for him.

As to Hill, I think there was a lot of reason she didn't make it, one she already thought she was anointed and messed up big time with her schemes and dreams in upcoming primaries, she also got better on the campaign as time went by, but the msm was already in the bag big time for Obama and hanging on like a biting sow...a heck of a lot of them are going to have buyers remorse now...especially Nov. in my opinion...plus the behind the scenes big-wigs who didn't want the Clintons in power anymore...blah blah blah... 

With everything that is happening worldwide now with this link, plus today Russia and their bluster over the shield response warning to us, where they are saying this goes beyond diplomacy...you can be sure this is going to help McCain.

You know how I feel about McCain on certain issues, but when it comes to national security ect....Obama can't hold a candle to him...and it is going to show.

As an aside....I watched Celinda Lake she's a dem. pollster who I have always liked listening to on C-SPAN this morning, I only caught part of it, Ed Goez (her repub partner) wasn't there with her today...nevertheless she was saying that Obama has lost tons of the Independents...by a big margin. I looked for a recent link of hers when I had the time earlier, couldn't find one ...just thought I would throw that in here.

As long as he picks someone with some get-up-and-go that is not pro-abortion he has it made in my opinion...plus keep up the steady drill here, drill now issue ect, we may not lose as many seats as I thought, it would be a miracle if we held on or gained if the repubs are smart on how to handle all of this.

I keep getting interrupted here with business calls...sorry it may seem to be in a jumble and took me so long to get back to you. 

 "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

7 mins of ahs in a 41 min speech

The 7min montage of ah, and ohs came from a 41 min speech.

BHO just can not answer a question with a straight forward answer...lets be for real here.

When does life began?

BHO- ah oh eh..

McCain- at consiption

My point is not who answered the question "right" but who ANSWERED the question.

 

 

 

WWW.FAIRTAX.ORG

Swing

Is it due to McCain's ads, Obama's flip-flops, or recent interviews demonstrating the Messiah is an empty suit? How in trouble is the man who will solve all the world's problems?

Outlier?

JDW


DAILY WAVE

Stephanie Tubbs Jones had

Stephanie Tubbs Jones has died from an aneurysm...

She was a democrat and Hill backer from Ohio...she was also on the House Ethics committee...she was also once a Judge in Ohio if memory serves me right. 

R.I.P.

Prayers to her family and friends. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Rep Jones

Link

You are correct.

JDW


DAILY WAVE

CNN says she's still

CNN says she's still living...

Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio -- a Democratic superdelegate and one of Hillary Clinton's most ardent supporters -- was hospitalized in critical condition Wednesday after suffering an aneurysm, the hospital said.

Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones suffered an aneurysm Tuesday evening.

Dr. Gus Kious, chief of staff at Huron Hospital, said Tubbs Jones had limited brain function.

"She remains in critical condition at present in our intensive care unit. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family at this very difficult time," he said.

Earlier reports had said Tubbs Jones had died.

...

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

HS and others... You know

HS and others...

You know the audicity of the msm to report something like that before it is confirmed is outrageous....I feel sorry for any family members or close friends who may have heard that she died before they even knew anything for sure themselves.

I despise the msm..

Plus to top that off, I had two email alerts also....one saying she died, then later...different.

I had the sound off when I read she died on Fox and they must of repeated that for quite awhile...

Striving to always being first to break news is atrocious and they should be embarrassed and ashamed.

Not the msm, no accountability....ever.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Jones

Well I guess she really has passed on now according to CNN.

 ...R.I.P.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Maybe or maybe not

Fox is reporting it both ways right now.

But either way, it is a sad situation.  My thoughts and prayers go out to her and her family.

And as an aside.  My elderly mom had a TIA  (Transient Ischemic Attack) about five weeks ago.  It's commonly known as a mini-stroke.  She's fine, now, thanks to great medical care.

But as so many of us are at a certain age, dealing with elderly  parents (and I know much younger people who have had TIA's as well)...please take the time and click on the link.  It may save a loved one's life.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

My experience with TIAs is

My experience with TIAs is they lead to dementia and that's really a tough problem to deal with over the long term.  It's a terrible medical condition that leads to a loss of self identity and quality of life.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

amen BT

That's really sad for someone's life to change so quickly without notice. I bet her family is in total shock right now.

In the immortal words of Madonna, "I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy's dog."

A friend of mine's wife

A friend of mine's wife died of an aneurysm two years ago at age 38. Complete and utter shock is an understatement. He was coming home from a late assignment, called her about 15 minutes before coming home and she was OK. When he got home she was slumped over the kitchen table unconscious, kids upstairs in bed (3 kids, youngest had just turned 1). As if that wasn't bad enough, she was a kindegarten teacher, so there were 20 kids suddenly wondering what happened to their teacher.

I still tear up thinking about it.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Yeah, Hero

That's one of the reasons I posted what I did....

I lost my little sister at 36 from an aneurism.

I don't cry about it any longer, but I still want to scream! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

HS et al... I had a brain

HS et al...

I had a brain aneurysm that busted on me when I was 23...a long story but I almost died...a miracle from God, I made it through back then without having to learn to walk and talk again.

About six months later one of my best gal friends died from one too, she was 28.

There were plenty of huge signs for me, the doctors wouldn't listen because of my age I guess....they said it was all in my head prescribed different pain killers....

I can laugh now, like I said it is a long story.

Now they have come a long way with detecting one compared to what they had and used back then.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Bless you, BT

I mean that, sincerely.

This life we have is much better with you in it.

Aneurisms are something we are all ignorant about....unless it's reached out and touched us.

I wish it had turned out diffently for my sis.  But it was over before it started. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Thank you J. I appreciate

Thank you J.

I appreciate the kind words.

I am so sorry for your loss...

Please don't take this the wrong way...but you'll see her again.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I know,

Thanks.  Truly.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Chilling

Few things get to me in this world but this is one of them. 

For all the monitoring of my health that I do and the effort I put in to doing the right thing as far as my health and safety  is concerned...well, I can't do one damn thing to prevent an aneurysm. 

Just the thought of having something like this happen while I am still in my 30s with so much to do yet is chilling to say the least.   

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

Hi BT, bummer of a story.

Hi BT, bummer of a story. Glad you are still around :)

 

That being said, I read that Jones is still alive and that there has been alot of confusion about her condition. So, as far as I can find, she is still hanging on, which is way cool.

Thanks Rog... Now for the

Thanks Rog...

Now for the rest of the story....

Just kidding...nobody would believe me anyway.

As to Jones...the race to be first in the msm is horrendous....like I posted above somewhere...

If I were in her family I would be very angry to say the least...I know they have other matters to worry about now, but I am real sick of the msm doing this all the time with no accountability.

Plus to top it off..I received email alerts to-boot about her death, then they changed it later...

These people ought to be ashamed.

I know, that will be when pigs fly. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

W. The Movie

The trailer for W. is out and of course tries to portray GWB in the worst possible light.

http://www.wthefilm.com/

Seven points

was not a "solid lead" in a poll with a 3% +/- margin of error (assuming that figure is correct, of course).

 Sen. McCain's current 5% "lead" doesn't exceed the margin of error, either.

In other words, it's a tie.  And it has been a tie or close to it for a while.

This is news?

 

....Worried

....Worried Wilson?

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Nope.

This certainly isn't cause for worry because it does not represent any significant change.

 

We get that alot

We get that alot frank...liberal denial. Leads to stress and heart attacks. Dont worry about it. Its gonna be OK.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

"Liberal denial?"

Having trouble adding and subtracting those tricky single-digit numbers?

"Liberal denial?"

Yes, it is a real condition.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Wilson... Here's one for

Wilson...

Here's one for ya'....simple math.

Obama was ahead by 14 points with the Independents...he lost ten of those points.

Looking bad.

Celinda Lake, a well-respected pollster said those figures this morning on C-SPAN.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Lieberman switching parties

I don't know if someone has already posted this, but I just heard on Fox with E.D. Hill that when Lieberman makes his speech at the convention that he is going to announce he is switching parties....

LMAO!

Wonder what cabinet McCain is going to name him to...eh?

Btw...If this is even true that is. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

So he's

bravely climbing out of the lifeboat and onto the deck of the Titanic?

Probably has a full icebucket under his arm...

Yeah, frank

I'm sure he'll be happy to thwack you on the head, too, as you tread water there, fella. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Wilson... Only way that

Wilson...

Only way that would be the Titanic is if McCain names him or anyone else pro-abortion VP.

Otherwise...your guys ship is going down...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I don't know anyone

who is "pro abortion."  Most folks I speak with agree that abortion should be safe, legal and rare.

I would certainly prefer to keep the government out of the bedrooms of America.  And not stand between doctors and their patients.

I believe states should decide things like marriage laws, drivers license issues, torts, and if they want stricter environmental legislation go ahead and pass it.  Property rights should be up to the states, as well.

And if the Federal government is going to spend money like a drunken sailor, it should collect enough in taxes to pay the freight.  The only thing worse than tax and spend is spend and don't tax.

Wilson... Pro-Choice is

Wilson...

Pro-Choice is Pro-Abortion...the use of pro-choice is an attempt at niceties with words for murdering your baby.

Simply as that.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Food for thought:

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
H. L. Mencken

Contradictions collapse

You, my little Socialist, should take heed of that quote.

I find it fascinating that you say you want the government out of people's bedrooms, yet you want the government to control as much of the economy as possible and want your own life, as well as everyone else's, to fall under the complete, total, micromanaging regimentation of the Nanny State. 

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

don't forget unsane

They can't come into my house to monitor my sex life, but they can invade my house and tell me how to discipline my own children.

and abortions don't take

and abortions don't take place in the bedroom either 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

Why not?

Because they are legal.

Unsane:

Actually, I don't.

You know no more about what I believe than you do about how and why bookies set odds.

Can you just be PROUD to be a Socialist?

Actually, I don't. Your entire history on NB contradicts you.

You know no more about what I believe than you do about how and why bookies set odds. It is funny how you Socialists and Leftists whine this to me after you have gotten caught and highlighted for what you really are. Why not be PROUD of what you believe for a change? 

By the way, the point about the bookies is that they get burned too just as polls do and other prognosticators and would-be prophets.  But you miss that, as usual.

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

Unsane:

Your comments prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm very proud of my beliefs and stand behind them.  Socialism doesn't happen to be part of them.

Bookies are not pronosticators or prophets - and since you are so slow on the uptake I carefully explained it to you - typing v e r y slowly.  Then you repeat your error.

The bile has backed up until it has blocked your eyes and the few remaining brain cells you possessed.  You obviously can't handle a little Moxie on the ball - so do everyone a favor and stop trying...

Just can't let it go

Can't let it go, can you, frank? 

You are a Nanny State Socialist who thinks the United States should emulate Nanny States like the ones in Europe.  You hate the United States because we are not more like those Going Nowhere Nanny States like Sweden and France.  You have posted views like this for quite some time now and I have been posting here since March 2006.  Again, instead of constantly throwing tantrums and denying what you are, be proud of it. I am probably just some wingnut in your eyes.  I am a Rightist.  I'm not ashamed to admit it. 

Finally, keep crowing all you want about how you allegedly taught me something about bookies. I personally can care less, but it is amusing to see you wasting so much time over something I haven't even read.  Type as slowly as possible, but seeing as I have more valuable things to do like prepare life saving meals, read, watch the Olympics and unpack in my new pad, chances are I still won't read it.  If anyone has bile backed up to your eyes, it is you as once again as you once more prove yourself an extremely hate-filled individual who is enraged at the fact that there are people on earth right now who vehemently disagree with your worldview.   

I don't care who or what it is - bookies, polls, little angels or devils on my shoulders, The Great Pumpkin, The Tooth Fairy, Nostradamus - attempts to forecast the future by ANYONE is SHAKY at best.

You are so full of pure hate and have so little a life you are still burning precious time over subjects I have long past by.  Sad, more than anything. 

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing gt thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for themedal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

Bonus points for

Bonus points for referencing The Great Pumpkin.

Unsane - 70

Frankie the Cry-baby Socialist - 0

 

 

Roger the Scrubber:

That's probably the only time you're going to score in 2008...

Huh? That made alot of

Huh?

That made alot of sense.

It is humorous to see that your inability to insult rivals your inability to debate.

 

 

Bush Boy:

If that one went over your head, you really can't handle any Moxie on the ball, can you?

Rather than explain a joke (I never do) I'll presume you're attempting a Stephen Potter ploy.  Not a bad move when you're cornered, but tough to pull off in print.

You didn't.

Poor Frankie needs his binky...

No, it didn't go over my head; it was just stupid. Not to mention not-funny. Sums you up rather well, come to think of it.

Don't blame the rest of the world for your shortcomings, Pumpkin.

Unsane:

You can pack less sense into more space than any other NB commentor.  Congratulations!

You say you don't read my comments and then you comment on them?  And you've been commenting on NB since March 2006?  As Al Franken would say, "Wow!"  121 weeks and not a cogent thought yet.  Must be the American League record...

PS:  It would be impossible for you to realize this, but you have absolutely no sense of humor.  That's really not sad.  That's pathetic.

Wilson,

Then you would agree that abortion is state's rights issue as well? You must believe that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, right?

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

we already have federal law

we already have federal law against killing - the right to life 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

If states' decisions and

If states' decisions and actions remained within the boundaries of said states, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.  The problems come about when the Commerce Clause is used to foist the decisions on all states.

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

The love of Lieberman is

The love of Lieberman is one of the weirdest things I've seen in recent years.

I, myself, have trouble trusting a guy that puts his own personal motivations consistently above those of his principles.

Any Jewish person that's willing to buddy up to a Holocaust apologist like Hagee for the sole purpose of garnering political support is a snake.

McCain would be wise to heed the old American story of the little boy who helped the old snake up & down the mountain, befriended the snake, only to be bitten by the snake when it was on its deathbed. 

"Mr. Snake, why did you do that? Now I will surely die!" The
rattlesnake looked up at him and grinned, "You knew what I was when
you picked me up."

He should just stay independent and leave both parties alone. Zero value added.

Ginger... ...and I just

Ginger...

...and I just bet you will say you felt the same about Jumpin' Jeffords too...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Timer, sure it's a similar

Timer, sure it's a similar situation, however, the fact that Lieberman supports Holocaust deniers ups the ante significantly. 

His move to indepence could have been seen as a simple change of heart/ideas, however, his cozying up to Hagee clearly demonstrated he is nothing more than a shameless opportunist.

It's amazing that anyone could support an anti-semite like Hagee, let alone a Jewish person. His poor family.

ginger

Really, you need to stop with the baseless accusations. I'm not a fan of John Hagee but he has done more to support the state of Israel (and the Jewish people in general) than you've ever dreamed of.

Of course he disagrees with them over theology, though. He's a Christian and they are not. Theological disputes are not the same as being racist.

Candance, are you sure

Candance, are you sure you're talking about the same guy?

I don't think you are. Why would you defend such a monster?

"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen
people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true
God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that
they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very
day....

How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His
chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered
upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of
anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for
centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God uppon his
rebellious chosen people." ["Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To War",
paperback edition, pages 92 and 93]

That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Enjoy this lovely passage. Reading it again makes my head spin. I can't believe you suppor this guy. Why?

The Bible is a book of parables and word pictures describing principles
of truth from God to man. The prophet Jeremiah puts his pen to
parchment and paints a vivid picture of the human agendas God intended
to use to bring the Jewish people back to Israel.

"But now I will send for many fishermen" declares the LORD, "and
they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters, and they
will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of
the rocks."

-- Jeremiah 16:16 NIV

I believe this verse indicates that the positive comes before the
negative. Grace and mercy come before judgment. The fishermen come
before the hunters. First, God sent the fishermen to Israel. These were
the Zionists, men like Theodor Herzl who called for the Jews of Europe
and the world to come to Palestine to establish the Jewish state. The
Jews were encouraged to escape while there was still time. The
situation for Jews in Europe would only get worse, not better.

A fisherman is one who draws his target toward him with bait. Herzl
and his fellow Zionists were God's fishermen, calling the sons and
daughters of Abraham home. Herzl was deeply disappointed that the Jews
of the world did not respond in greater numbers.

God then sent the hunters. The hunter is one who pursues his
target with force and fear. No one could see the horror of the
Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler's Nazis drove the
Jewish people back to the only home God ever intended for the Jews to
have -- Israel.
I stand amazed at the accuracy of God's Word
and its relevance for our time. I am stricken with awe and wonder at
His boundless love for Israel and the Jewish people and His divine
determination that the promise He gave Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob become
reality.

Now that's absurd. Hagee is an anti-semite and an idiot. Support away.

Yes, blaming Jews for their own persecution is DOING A LOT FOR ISRAEL.

Please, go drink your kool aid elsewhere. Supporting anti-semitics is sick.

how lovely

Aww that's cute - you actually thought I don't know anything about the story. I knew if I waited long enough you'd post all the details so I wouldn't have to.

I am not supporting Hagee and told you up front I am not a fan of his. But facts are facts. You called him a Holocaust denier with zero proof that he ever denied it.

Hagee, as a minister, is charged with the task of explaining why a loving God would allow the Holocaust to happen. And guess what, the Talmud itself agrees with his assessment. So apparently the Talmud is anti-Semitic to boot.

Whether or not you agree with his sermon, it's a flat out lie to call him a Holocaust denier. Provide proof of such or admit that you exaggerated the story.

Candance, that's truly

Candance, that's truly amazing. I find it so interesting how different people interpret different statements. Perception is reality?

To claim that the Holocaust was the fault of the Jews themselves is to deny the true motives of the Holocaust, and to deny the Holocaust itself. Perhaps my use of DENIER was a bit strong, let's go with REVISIONIST, but nonetheless, his comments are outrageous. To claim the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves is absolutely sickening.

Feel free to spin for Hagee all you want. Nobody with half a brain is buying his hogwash. Neither do most Israelis.

Claiming that the Holocaust was part of some sort of divine mechanism is the result of a disturbed mind. Hagee is a maniac.

okay ginger

For the THIRD TIME I was no agreeing with him, I was explaining the story. If I hadn't interjected people reading this would never have been the wiser about what was actually said.

Feel free to disagree with Hagee's point all you want. I'm not here to tell you his point was correct. However as I noted many Jewish scholars agree that OT scripture supports the idea, so it's *not* anti-Semitic to proffer it as a theory.

And no, it's not revisionist either. He's not changing Hitler's motives, the cruelty of the Third Reich, or any of the suffering the Jews endured. It was nothing but a theory as to why God would sit back and allow it.

When Ward Churchill said America deserved 9/11 I don't recall anyone charging that as "revisionist" because it took away from Al Qaeda's hatred.

It's verbal acrobatics to defend your attack against Hagee.

You've proven yourself quick to accuse, willing to believe the worst, and stubborn to see the difference between defending vs supporting.

Lieberman is Jewish himself and felt the sermon was not outrageous, as have many Israelis who continue to support Hagee. Unless you are more Jewish than Leiberman you don't have the right to tell him what's offensive to Jews.

Candance, I quoted his

Candance, I quoted his direct passage. Support it and spin it if you will.

Lieberman is a snake and teamed up with Hagee to garner political support. Nothing more. He doesn't care about anything but his own power, clearly.

No self-respecting Jew would support a man that blames the Holocaust on the Jews. That's not interpreting scripture, that's being purposefully hateful and willfully ignorant.

We haven't even discussed the fact that the end of world scenario he preaches includes the fact that most Jews will die. Yeah! That's great!

You are supporting Hagee no matter what you say. Defending is support.

oh okay

defending is supporting? really?

Defending a woman's right to an abortion is supporting abortion? Defending the Communist Party's freedom of speech is supporting them?

No self-respecting Jew would support a man that blames the Holocaust on the Jews.

You are willfully ignoring reality. Do a little reading into what religious Jews think of the subject. You can start here if you'd like. Just start somewhere and get a clue.

Apparently, according to you, Rabbi Wasserman was a "monster" for daring to suggest the Jews might be saved by repentance. Such anti-Semitism is truly horrible. Maybe he was a political opportunist as well. And apparently the thing many Jews take comfort in - that God came through by forming a new Jewish state - is a hateful thing to say as well.

So basically you're denying the existence of a well-known idea, accusing Hagee of spreading it out of hate, and being offended on behalf of the same people who came up with the idea in the first place.

We're done here. You clearly enjoy peddling false accusations and throwing insults at anyone who calls your bluff. Troll on somewhere else.

Lets remember can, that

Lets remember can, that language is everything concerning law and politics. I seriously doubt that: 

"A womens right to choose"

..would have passed the litmus test if it was put forth as what it truly is:

" A womens right to choose 1st degree murder.".

But thats exactly what it is and the argument should end there.

But yet togdalyte liberals will jump to defend a murderer set to be put to death for actions of their own choosing, before defending the rights of an unborn child that is murderously yanked from the mothers womb without a choice.

Pro-Choice ? Hypocrisy squared.

No surprise thats why Barack is lying and backing away from his position on this faster than Nosferatu from a Crucifix.

But from a libs perspective the U.S. should castrate and try to undermine any attempt at supporting the only true ally we have and only true Democracy in the Middle East.

....And they wonder why we question their patriotism and designs on our Constitution.

Communists and lunatics the whole lot of them.

My 2 cents anyway.

 

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Hagee's a maniac

Yes, Hagee's a maniac. But he's my maniac.

But more importantly, he's God's maniac. Israel loves and respects John Hagee, and he, them

We've agreed to take our religious discussions no further than where I just stopped, so I guess we'll just disagree. I couldn't argue from a "Bible is just parables" perspective anyway.

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ginger.. I'm not wasting

ginger..

I'm not wasting my time with you tonight...

You wasted enough of every-body's yesterday with your BS tactics.

Troll on...as you will.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Fine by me Timer. Then I

Fine by me Timer. Then I won't have to waste my time responding to your childish antics.

Sorry your friend Dee made a ridiculous statement. Don't know what to tell ya.

bt....is it me, or have there been.......

a two fold increase in trolls lately?  What I find interesting, the more Obamatron sinks, the more shrill the trolls have become, that and they have multiplied.  A little concerned are we??  Feel the need to come here and blunt us, by throwing handgrenades, throwing people off topic??  Desperate people do desperate things when reality hits them up side of the head. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

LOL no it's not just you

LOL no it's not just you Begrunt....

Plus ginger came out of his deep slumber yesterday...

Things will get far, far worse with the trolls before the election here.

Trolls are amusing most of the time, but heck they are under-paid twits to start with....they mist truly live a lonely life....

I pray for them.

Tough job, but somebody should do it...once in a great while. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

McCain's VP

I heard McCain was considering Hillary so they both could exact their revenge on Barry...Anyone else heard this?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

No LK,

Hadn't heard that one, but it's pretty good.

I can't wait until the Veepstakes is over, I am well and truly sick and tired of the talking heads. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hi LK... No, but I have

Hi LK...

No, but I have heard on Fox she sent her brother Tony Rodham to a repub camp that Carly Fiorina was having....seems strange to me.

I don't know if he actually sent him there, but what other reason would he be there...too lazy to look for a link at the moment.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

R.I.P Stephanie Tubbs Jones

This is what sets this site apart from KOS, judging by earlier comments it does not make fun of anyone passing. May God rest her soul.

Real life video games are cool

shawn

I heard earlier she was in a coma and a recovery was extremely unlikely.

Didn't know much about her except she was a Hillary loyalist when clinging to Obama was the PC thing to do.

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Simply horrifying

What an awful, terrifying thing to happen.   

Fifty-eight is much too young. 

The Olympics are now under way in Beijing.  May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner.  May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies!  USA!  USA!!  USA!!!

Shawn

It is a shame.She wasnt really that old.My condolences to her family.

shawn....I lost my.....

Mother in law in April to the same thing.........It hits like lightning, totally unexpected.  I suspect she went quickly.....when we unhooked my Mother in law, she went in under 15 minutes.  Still haven't got over it yet.  My prayers go out to her family. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.