For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: McCain takes a five point lead!
McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll...McCain now has a 9-point edge, 49 percent to 40 percent, over Obama on the critical question of who would be the best manager of the economy -- an issue nearly half of voters said was their top concern in the November 4 presidential election...Obama's support among Democrats fell 9 percentage points this month to 74 percent, while McCain has the backing of 81 percent of Republicans. Support for Obama, an Illinois senator, fell 12 percentage points among liberals, with 10 percent of liberals still undecided compared to 9 percent of conservatives.
This is a huge swing. Is it due to McCain's ads, Obama's flip-flops, or recent interviews demonstrating the Messiah is an empty suit? How in trouble is the man who will solve all the world's problems?
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Is it possible through
August 20, 2008 - 09:04 ET by contraryIs it possible through these polls, we can say the American public still has a clue in spite of the MSM? They see Obama as a socialist and reject that course for this country.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
Sounds like Obama's chickens are coming home to roost.
August 20, 2008 - 09:34 ET by jazbo- But beware, this will be blamed on anything except his Q&A performance. Remember, if we thought he did badly, then we are just not thinking enough. ;-)
Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.
Once again we see
August 20, 2008 - 09:08 ET by BruzillaOnce again we see meaningless polls being discussed as if they actually are meaningful. Why do so many folks on both sides feel the need to waste time on these?
Its more fun tahn arguing
August 20, 2008 - 09:10 ET by Dan The Man 2Its more fun tahn arguing with a T like you?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Thank you for such an
August 20, 2008 - 09:16 ET by BruzillaThank you for such an intellectual response. I'll bet your parents are very proud of you.
Bruz, Dans parents are
August 20, 2008 - 09:18 ET by bassndudeBruz, Dans parents are ashamed of him, but I am very proud of him.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Don't know about dad
August 20, 2008 - 09:21 ET by Cool ArrowBut my mom allowed me to travel safely through the birth canal.
She's a conservative.
I ♣ my seal
oofa!
August 20, 2008 - 10:26 ET by SickofLibsoofa!
Excellent point Cool! Your
August 20, 2008 - 19:53 ET by RukusExcellent point Cool! Your mom rocks! Screw the pro-choice crowd! Thank her for you being here to, well, be here, God bless her! Pro-choice sucks! I appreciate you and your God loving mom! Thank you! I'm here for the same reason, a God loving, life giving mom. Those who are pro-choice should be glad they are here today. God rules, period! Thanks Cool.
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
I'll pass it on Ruk
August 20, 2008 - 20:00 ET by Cool ArrowGuess I should say a word for dad, too.
As best he could, he supported all 12 of us kids, and never walked out on the tremendous pressure to provide.
Mom and dad have been together now for almost 60 years. What I got from dad is that they go to work, cuss their boss when they get home, and get up the next morning and start all over again.
That's something the Democrats have been highly successful at excising from our society.
I ♣ my seal
Cool...
August 20, 2008 - 21:05 ET by RukusMom and dad have been together now for almost 60 years.
That's awesome man! Congrat's to your parents! I like you you more and more, my parents were together for 50 plus years before my dad passed. Good for you and your mom and dad, I salute you guys! God bless ya'll!!! Goes to show how good conservative beleifs work. Thank you Cool!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Steady polls
August 20, 2008 - 09:12 ET by NorthCoastermean little or nothing except to gauge the overal inclination of the population polled. A swing in the poll numbers from the same population indicate a change in opinion for the period polled.
That's true, but still this
August 20, 2008 - 09:19 ET by BruzillaThat's true, but still this far out from the election, what do they matter? Everyone in politics knows this and talks about it. When Obama is up in the polls, the Dems chatter about it while the Republicans say "these polls mean nothing." When McCain is up the parties take the opposite stands. The truth is that until you get within a couple of weeks of the election, polls mean nothing. So why spend so much time yacking about them?
this far out from the election
August 20, 2008 - 09:26 ET by bassndudeWhat ever are you talking about. It's the latter part of Aug. The election is in Nov. Thats only 3 months out. You evidently have no concept. Sounds like your repeating old, outdated talking points.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Talking points? I don't
August 20, 2008 - 10:09 ET by BruzillaTalking points? I don't think so. We have yet to have a single convention yet! Here's how these things go... First the Dems will have their big to-do, and Obama will get a bump in the polls. Then the Republicans will have theirs and McCain will get a bump. Then come September we'll see things start to really heat up and by October we'll start to see polls that actually mean something.
There is only one poll, a
August 20, 2008 - 10:23 ET by Dan The Man 2There is only one poll, a fact brought out by the last two elections, that counts and that is the onein Novemnber every four years (at least for teh President.) The only thing these polls are good for is to pull chains like yours.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
The polls themselves don't
August 20, 2008 - 10:43 ET by BruzillaThe polls themselves don't pull any of my chains as I know they are worthless. I hear all these pro-Obama types doing verbal backflips on CNN or NBC when their guy is up, then hear the FNC guys doing backflips when McCain starts catching up to Obama. What pulls my chain is all the time spent by the media trying to manufacture news by constantly reporting on these polls, while at the same time acknowledging that they are really meaningless.
When I hear someone like Hannity poo-pooing (and rightfully so) the accuracy or relevency of earlier polls that show Obama leading McCain, then loudly touting the importance of the same worthless polls that now show good news for McCain and treating them like so much political manna from heaven, my hipocrisy meter gets pegged and yes... my chain gets pulled. :)
There is one aspect of
August 20, 2008 - 10:32 ET by Hero SquadThere is one aspect of these polls that I think is somewhat key: "undecided voters."
Voters who are honestly on the fence have seemingly weathered the Obama frenzy up until this point. So if you're not swayed already, I'm not sure Obama can offer much more that would convince you to support his candidacy.
I would surmise that a majority of them are undecided because of a concern about Obama's experience vs. McCain as a "Washington insider." But at the end of the day, I would wager that more of the undecideds who head to the polls on election day will play it safe and vote for McCain's experience.
That's just my theory.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Let's just hold the election anyway just because
August 20, 2008 - 09:16 ET by UnsaneBecause, Bruzilla, we can now cancel the elections!!! Now that we know the outcome, why bother wasting the money holding them???
(Just in case McCain loses the election with an electoral vote 538-0, why don't we just go ahead and hold the election on November 4?)
The Olympics are now under way in Beijing. May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner. May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies! USA! USA!! USA!!!
lol Great idea, but I
August 20, 2008 - 09:24 ET by Bruzillalol
Great idea, but I think the Dems and the MSM are just waiting for McCain to formally get the nomination and then they are going to open up on him huge. There's a reason why they aren't mentiong the Keating 5 scandal, his wife's issues, his conduct as a POW, his dealings with Anheuser-Busch and Gannon Group Vietnam, etc., and my guess is they don't want Republicans changing their minds and picking someone else at the convention. Once the MSM floods the airwaves with those stories, McCain is going to tank.
I doubt it. At this point
August 20, 2008 - 09:46 ET by Free ThinkerI doubt it. At this point Obama needs to be ahead by at least 15 points. It getting late in the game for those kind of attacks without first proving Barak is ready to be President and he seems to be disproving that everyday when he has to speak without his teleprompter. The McCain camp doesn't have to do anymore than it is already doing - let Obama say something, or in many cases say alot that translates to nothing, and then simply point out his inexperience and radical policy positions.
Keating 5 is history and McCain's actions since then pretty much make it moot. He can't be assailed on his POW status, that would be political suicide. And nobody cares about his wife, she hasn't inserted herself into the election the way Michelle Obama has. As the election draws nearer the emphasis will shift to issues and the independent/moderate voters will make the decision based on who is better suited to lead, which historically goes more to the more traditional candidate, in this case McCain.
You could be right... but I
August 20, 2008 - 10:14 ET by BruzillaYou could be right... but I find it incredibly add that the Dems and MSM are really being mum about McCain despite his being ripe for all sorts of attacks. It really makes me wonder why? Take K-5 for example. McCain got a pass on that because he was a new senator and the leadership at the time just wanted the whole thing to go away as painlessly as possible. The reality was that McCain was a new senator but had been a Congressman for two terms and knew the rules as well as anyone. He also escaped scrutiny because his wife, who was his accountant at the time, "lost" all the financial records. The K-5 scandal is far from a dead issue as McCain got a pass back in the day, and I would expect the Dems/MSM to hammer him, yet they are being quiet as a tomb. Again, it sure makes me wonder why.
They may unleash it as you
August 20, 2008 - 10:28 ET by Free ThinkerThey may unleash it as you suspect. I think they are hesitant though probably because he was cleared of any wrongdoing and in the last 20 years since then it would be hard to make a case against John McCain for being unethical. Some would argue his ethics actually harm him politically as seen by the debacle of the McCain-Feingold bill. Questioning McCain on ethics would probably backfire as much as questioning his patriotism.
Uhh
August 20, 2008 - 10:31 ET by StillStacyNo one is perfect, and in our youth we often make some serious misjudgments. Politicians are human, they make the same mistakes the rest of us do. It always comes down to who has the better record. McCain is much older than Obama and has a respectable record. Obama has his mistake coffers full at young age. Our nation needs someone who has the ability to lead, not brainwash.
...all SORTS of attacks...
August 20, 2008 - 10:58 ET by neighbHey....I heard that McCain wet his diapers once.
And someone told me Farrakhan said that GW did too!!!!
My gawd, this WILL be Bush's Third Term.
And Obamasiah is barely out
August 20, 2008 - 19:58 ET by RukusAnd Obamasiah is barely out of his diapers, politcal wise. McCain has tons more experience! Obamasiah is a baby, no experience, period. Deal with it!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
....Right this Way....
August 20, 2008 - 10:01 ET by neighbBruzdude:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > >
Please exit this way to dailykos.com
You obviously took a, "wrong toin at abbakoikee."
It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a rational, logical thinker AND a Democrat
You know... it never ceases
August 20, 2008 - 10:17 ET by BruzillaYou know... it never ceases to amaze me that anyone who posts on site that's purported to be against bias attracts so many people who are so biased themselves that they are incapable of seeing past them. It's like the thought of an indepedent veiw escapes them.
If you make an anti-Obama comment on the Daily K, you must be some right-wing nutjob. If you make an anti-McCain comment on here, you must be a Daily Kos nutjob. I feel sorry for these folks, I really do. It's like you're saying "there's no room for any anti-Republican comments while we're discussing Liberal bias!" lol
No bruz, make an anti obama
August 20, 2008 - 10:20 ET by bassndudeNo bruz, make an anti obama comment on DK, and your posting privileges are revoked.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
So making comments against
August 20, 2008 - 10:29 ET by BruzillaSo making comments against the favorite on DK gets you banned, and making them on here gets you attacked, called names, ridiculed, and you are asked to leave. And the difference is???
I have neither attacked
August 20, 2008 - 10:34 ET by bassndudeI have neither attacked you, nor called you a name nor asked you to leave. The difference would be, at DK you are no longer allowed to post. Here you are. That would come down to a "freedom of speech" issue. DK only belives in that freedom if you toe their line.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Actually, I wasn't talking
August 20, 2008 - 11:46 ET by BruzillaActually, I wasn't talking about you but I'm sure you can see who's foot the shoe does fit. :) As to the rest of your statement, I just see you trying to spotlight a difference without a distinction. On Dk they ban you, some (not you) on here want to make you leave through name calling and the such. So what's the difference? To me both are examples of the same thing, i.e., we don't want to hear opposing viewpoints. The efficiency of the methids may vary, but the intended results are the same.
I just remember when this forum was one where folks could discuss issues in a reasonable and informative way, unlike the DK ir DU where all you had was namecalling, labeling, accusations, etc., and now more and more it seems NB is becoming more and more like the forums we used to condemn for this sort of stuff.
Bruz, you still do not
August 20, 2008 - 11:53 ET by bassndudeBruz, you still do not understand the difference???
I dont know about you sometimes. Anyway, as far as I am concerned, your welcome to post your opinion. Just cause I dont like it, dont mean you should be shut out. Besides, I need a good laugh now and then.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
When you open up with a
August 20, 2008 - 13:36 ET by Dan The Man 2When you open up with a posit like this "Once again we see meaningless polls being discussed as if they actually are meaningful. Why do so many folks on both sides feel the need to waste time on these" it deserves a like response and one you got. It was funny you also decided to waste your time also.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
What gets me
August 20, 2008 - 13:58 ET by sarcasmoIs that nobody else seems very interested in the VERY strange behavior of the gambling odds this year in spite of changes in the polls. Normally, they'll more or less, but never exactly, track eachother (but the political world needs graphs of both over time, and I'm not skilled or motivated enough to do it!). Anyway, I think it's far more interesting than this little tiff. I think only some of it can be explained by anti-Bush sentiment, especially in view of the past week's polls.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
The same thing
August 20, 2008 - 20:15 ET by UnsaneBack in 1998 the gambling community initially gave the Packers a 14 point advantage in Super Bowl XXXII. Due to popular demand, the Packers became a 7 point favorite.
At no point did Paul Tagliabue feel the need to cancel the Super Bowl and award the Lombardi Trophy to the Packers because of this; rather, he trusted the results on the fields of battle. The gamblers, as well as a good portion of the public, were proven wrong that day.
I trust the bookies as much as I trust polls. Which is to say, not at all.
The Olympics are now under way in Beijing. May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner. May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies! USA! USA!! USA!!!
Nobody but you, as usual...
August 21, 2008 - 02:12 ET by sarcasmoIs suggesting cancelling the election.
The polls where someone is not likely to lose something have a history of being less accurate and less timely than the gambling odds. Despite that, our biased media tends to ignore the odds on elections, so with the help of the internet I've made them harder for US persons to ignore for years. I'm not likely to stop, either, because the bookies are far more interesting to me than "accurate" polls where an annoyed person who just got interrupted by an unwanted phone call is assumed by media and political types to be accurate despite not being compensated in any way.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
It's a JOKE. HA. HA.
August 21, 2008 - 20:41 ET by UnsaneNobody but you, as usual, is suggesting canceling the election. Not my fault that you have no sense of humor and in spite of what your NB name implies, you are incapable of detecting sarcasm. Bruzilla had no problem detecting both. What's with you?
BOTH the bookies and the polls can be wrong and more often than not ARE wrong. Chirp away about how great the bookies are; they are as accurate as my looking into a crystal ball or rolling a 20-sided dice in predicting various events. Besides, it garners much attention for you, doesn't it?
The Olympics are now under way in Beijing. May the people of Beijing gt thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner. May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for themedal ceremonies! USA! USA!! USA!!!
I detected it, the first 25 times...
August 22, 2008 - 02:56 ET by sarcasmo*Yawn*
My point was that you're boring, not funny, when you try & fail to make the same old joke. You're the one incapable of humor, and it's obvious by your rage and attention-seeking bluster. It's not working with me because I show you only the respect you deserve, which infuriates you, as seen above & elsewhere, but if that somehow counts as "a joke" it might explain the somewhat narrow popularity of "NewsBusted."
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
The Boor
August 22, 2008 - 20:09 ET by UnsaneWell, you are a boor, and I'd rather be boring than a total boor. (Besides, it is boring TO YOU, but apparently not to others who have responded in the opposite.) Not to mention an immature middle aged boy whose life is so pathetic he visits a blog to get respect. You don't have to respect me, sweetie, nor does anyone else here. (I think you need that drilled into that incredibly thick skull of yours - how many times have I had to tell you that after you stupidly and childishly play the tired "respect" card?) I get more than enough from my peers, friends and family, and people in varying professions. But if you must have that to puff yourself up, feel free. Whatever keeps you from looking at the shower curtain rod longingly...
It is very amusing to be scolded and lectured by said middle-age boy about rage and attention-seeking bluster. Considering you stated in a post you knew would draw negative attention "flame away". I also take into consideration any time anyone disagrees with you in the absolute slightest in regard to your obsessive devotions, which you respond to with absolute, barely controllable rage. Once again, you argue like the Leftists you so despise, this time by accsuing others of what you constantly, routinely do.
I have yet to see an episode of NewsBusted - I am in the midst of other more burning issues - but it sounds to me as if your attitude towards it is of a near-impossible to please spoiled elementary school student whose sole existence is to sit around and decry everything as stupid, unfunny or somehow beneath you. Maybe you can try your hand at improving it if you can make it better. Hell, there are even monetary rewards to be had for that.
The Olympics are now under way in Beijing. May the people of Beijing gt thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner. May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for themedal ceremonies! USA! USA!! USA!!!
"Middle aged" is an insult?
August 23, 2008 - 08:49 ET by j. frank wilsonWhat is someone supposed to do about their age?
Charo got hers legally changed - did it make any difference?
If you don't think you have plenty of rage
August 23, 2008 - 16:42 ET by sarcasmoYou must not read your own comments. And for someone who's supposedly not upset that I & others don't respect him, you've sure gone on and on, but you're still boring.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Unsane:
August 21, 2008 - 11:16 ET by j. frank wilsonBookies aren't trying to predict the game results. They are setting odds to balance their book.
During the glory years of the 49'ers, Tahoe odds-makers had to give any given opponent long odds indeed to balance the bets. There were just far too many 9'er bettors.
That's a very interesting
August 21, 2008 - 15:33 ET by dscottThat's a very interesting insight, could you go a little more into detail how that works?
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
dscott:
August 21, 2008 - 16:28 ET by j. frank wilsonA bookie's goal is to precisely balance his book of bets - 50% on each team. The wins are off-set by the losses and the bookie pockets his vig on 100% of the action.
A great many sport punters bet with their hearts and not their heads. During the glory days of the 49'ers, the Cowboys, the Raiders, the Steelers - name a dynasty - it was always very difficult for a local bookie to balance his book. Far too many people always wanted to bet on the home team. [This is an example to prove the point - the fact remains that in every case other than low dollar volume silly prop bets like the coin flip the principle holds true.]
So the bookie stretches the odds (or the spread, or the runs, depending on the sport) to entice money over to the weak side until the book balances.
A bookie's odds are therefore not a prediction of the game outcome (a common misconception). That's up to touts and prognosticators. A bookie's odds are set - and changed as required - to balance the book of bets.
Wilson,
August 21, 2008 - 17:53 ET by RESTLESS 1You finally got something right. I'm proud of you.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
RESTLESS 1:
August 22, 2008 - 08:41 ET by j. frank wilsonIt just isn't that hard. Kind of like reality - but most folks here have seem to have a very hard time understanding the obvious. They keep trying to cram the real world into their preconceived box and it just don't fit. That's why right wing nut radio is so popular - Ole BlunderRush and Sheer Insannity and the rest of the deranged mob keep telling 'em what they want to hear and they just keep lapping it up. Beats facing the real world for 'em, I guess...
wow wilson!
August 22, 2008 - 09:09 ET by candanceName calling and en masse insults to make yourself feel smarter than the neocons! I feel so much more enlightened after reading that!
Cantdance:
August 22, 2008 - 17:21 ET by j. frank wilsonStill sticking up for the bullies and bigots, I see. I'm sure those who make a fat living spreading lies, racism and miscellenous bile and vitrol appreciate you coming to their widdle defense. Sheer Insannity brings on an "abortion expert" who claims Chinese people eat babies. Just the sort of person you'd stick up for, isn't it?
These merchants of hate have proven over and over again they can dish it out but not take it. Now they can count on you to protect them from big evil me. How sweet...
Tacky, frank.
August 22, 2008 - 17:24 ET by BlondeKeep it up.
Apologize for doing that to her name.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
rofpmsl @ frank
August 22, 2008 - 17:38 ET by candanceWow, you found a clever way to pick on my name! I haven't heard that since kindergarten! Once again you prove your intellect far superior to mine.
And while we're at it, I'd like to point out that reading comprehension is a really helpful tool. I am not a fan of Sean Hannity and never attempted to defend him. I merely pointed out that your name calling and condescension do nothing to win people over.
Reload with actual ammo and try that again. My eight year old neice is waiting for more inspiration.
Socialist blather
August 22, 2008 - 20:13 ET by UnsaneThat's why right wing nut radio is so popular - Ole BlunderRush and Sheer Insannity and the rest of the deranged mob keep telling 'em what they want to hear and they just keep lapping it up. This from a Socialist who so blindly follows Leftist orthodoxy and dogma that he can't even come up with his own creative cutsie little names for Limbaugh and Hannity. Hell, this comment alone tells me you absolutely positively cannot tolerate any views other than your own and that one of your goals is to SHUT PEOPLE UP that disagree with you in the slightest.
The Olympics are now under way in Beijing. May the people of Beijing gt thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner. May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for themedal ceremonies! USA! USA!! USA!!!
Unsane:
August 22, 2008 - 23:35 ET by j. frank wilsonOle BlunderRush (c) and Sheer Insannity (c) are both original.
Well now...that is
August 22, 2008 - 23:39 ET by bigtimerWell now...that is something to be mighty proud of.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Thank you!
August 23, 2008 - 09:16 ET by j. frank wilsonBut flattery will get you nowhere...
Thanks for the
August 22, 2008 - 09:10 ET by dscottThanks for the explanation. So the long odds are an inducement, i.e. risk versus reward calculation a person has to make betting on the off chance the favorite will lose. Would you say those who run horse race tracks use the same logic?
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
dscott:
August 22, 2008 - 17:30 ET by j. frank wilsonIt is a rare pleasure to have an adult "conversation" on NB. "I like to talk to a man who likes to talk..." I'm going to guess that there isn't much in the world of politics that you and I would agree on, we can still be friendly and civil. Particularly on other matters.
Horse racing is the same in that the track perfectly balances its betting book but they use a different system to do so because there are more than two (win/lose) or three (win/lose/tie) outcomes.
Horse racing betting is "paramutual" - odds are established by how the bettors bet. In essence there is no House - each punter is betting against all the other players.
Well, Frank it's like this,
August 22, 2008 - 17:49 ET by dscottWell, Frank it's like this, like you say in the area of politics we probably aren't going to agree on much, we both have our entrenched POVs. Like you, I will buy into an explanation if it intuitively makes sense and I can cross check if something doesn't pass the sniff test. I see no sense in being mean for mean's sake, yes I am cruel and calculating as a lib would define it. If you may have noticed Leon (now banned) and I got along just fine. We agreed to disagree and respected that we each had a POV we strongly held.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Don't try to convince the master
August 22, 2008 - 03:01 ET by sarcasmoYou're talking about economics, and it's an area of economics where our Unhinged friend is 100% clueless but will never admit it, so you might as well be fighting the tides. Anyway, you're correct, professional bookies don't really care (unlike pollsters) which is one of the reasons I trust them more than I trust media financed polls, despite the whiner-contingent's whines.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Who's the "favorite" on NB?
August 20, 2008 - 10:41 ET by Jack BauerWho's the "favorite" on NB? To save you wasting time, you'll have to do way better than John McCain.
While there are plenty of conservatives here who'll defend McCain aginst unfair media criticism, I'm on safe ground in stating that he is FAR from an NB "favorite."
There are even conservative posters here who won't vote for him come what may.
There are other conservative posters here
August 20, 2008 - 11:58 ET by sarcasmoWho seem to think Republicans are always entitled to all conservative voters' votes. In effect, this attitude rewards & reinforces the very RINOs they decry.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
The Difference Is....
August 20, 2008 - 10:46 ET by neighbBruzmaan,
The difference is that unlike your liberal friends (who pay LIP SERVICE to caring for people, but really want to keep them down so they can retain power), the good folk here on Newsbusters really care about the well being of all their brothaas.
You just seem like such an unhappy fella. No one has "asked you to leave." We just want you to be happy, and felt maybe that you might be less stressed out if you were in a place where your great intellect, global view and peaceful vision would be more appreciated and admired.
(See....not one named called, nary a ridicule, and just a serene, quiet thought to help your day turn out wonderful!!!!)
Whoa there, Pal
August 20, 2008 - 10:24 ET by neighbThis site is for those who like scotch....
Kool-aid drinkers are just more comfortable at the 'koz.
Bruzilla
August 20, 2008 - 13:27 ET by MrShy"...it never ceases to amaze me that anyone who posts on site that's purported to be against bias..."
NB's masthead features the ever-important tagline that defines what this site's purpose is, which is:
Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias
not
Exposing & Combating Liberal Bias
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
You should have watched teh
August 20, 2008 - 10:23 ET by Dan The Man 2You should have watched teh two houtr long specials on teh canditates. One was on Obama and on on McCain and they brought it all out.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Oh, there'll major tanking, but its gonna be your boy
August 20, 2008 - 10:39 ET by SickofLibsThe MSM/Dems are just lurking in the shadows waiting for Mac's nomination? Please, like any of them would have the self-restraint to withhold even FOR ONE SECOND any dirt on McCain. They're making crap up on the fly there're so desperate, like McCain playing the race card.
For every one of those McCain 'attack points' you just mentioned (and they're all ancient history and have nothing to do with the current issues in this election) there will be many more new fresh ones surfacing about Obama. The facade has just begun to crack, and we haven't seen anything yet.
Bru, You are obviously a
August 20, 2008 - 10:32 ET by Roger the ShrubberBru, You are obviously a hatemonger, making statemets like that.
You sound one of those western PA bitter clingers n'nat.
Ok, seriously, you are 100% correct. Polls blow, regardless of who they favor. Sure, they MIGHT give a glimpse of the nation on a superficial scale, but I cannot get too excited one way or another.
All my hatemongering is
August 20, 2008 - 11:50 ET by BruzillaAll my hatemongering is focused on the %&$%head who thought Brian "Glass Ankles' Leftwich would make a good back-up quarterback. :)
Perhaps Obama will want to
August 20, 2008 - 09:09 ET by Dan The Man 2Perhaps Obama will want to do more than 3 debates and possible a few townhalls? I mean when Hillary went south she got on the ball and was willing to do what it took, but failed and crashed and burned. Perhaps O'Riely will get him on his show on Oriely's terms.
Nothing to see here folks move along.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Nothing really matters.... yet
August 20, 2008 - 09:12 ET by ArcherBPoll numbers are going to fluxuate from now until November. It will start with a bounce from the Democratic National Convention. Then it will swing back after the Republican National Convention. (Of course, these are providing that nothing catostrophic happens, like in 1968... and provided that the press covers it.)
Then it's the stretch to November where we will have debates and wall-to-wall coverage.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Nothing really matters yet
August 20, 2008 - 14:35 ET by JDWHow will it get better?
As far as poll numbers fluctuating, where did all of the independents go?
After watching Saddleback, what advantages do you foresee for Obama in future debates?
What will happen with brother George Hussein and Mr Ayres?
JDW
DAILY WAVE
as I told my hubby saturday
August 20, 2008 - 09:14 ET by charlietexasas I told my hubby saturday night.....if John McCain isn't 5 points in the lead by wednesday. something isnt right in America.
I hope America is waking up to Obama....hes more then scary.
mom
Hey Mom!!
August 20, 2008 - 10:04 ET by neighbWhat are those MegaMillions numbers gonna be this Friday???!!!
Not a huge surprise
August 20, 2008 - 09:20 ET by Adam_MEI expected McCain to get a bump after the Georgia/Russia conflict and the Saddleback forum. I didn't necessarily expect it to be this much however. I'd be curious to see how the state-by-state polling looks right now.
The polls will fluctuate for the next few weeks. Obama will get a bump from the convention(and possibly from his VP choice). McCain will get a bump from his convention(and again maybe from his VP choice).
The real defining moment of this campaign and what I've been eagerly anticipating is the debates. I've always maintained that McCain would do a lot better in that arena than the pundits would have us believe and Saddleback proved that. The key is can he take it to Obama and make him look like the amateur that he is.
It's Foolish to Think That
August 20, 2008 - 09:25 ET by cjbreischIt's foolish to think that McCain would do poorly in the debates. He's been honing his debate skills on every Sunday news show for the last ten years. I doubt he's capable of being surprised by a question anymore or of having difficulty answering on the fly.
Obama has no such experience and it showed on Saturday.
He's very practiced...
August 20, 2008 - 11:54 ET by sarcasmoFor example, I've seen him crack the "paternity or a criminal issue" joke a few times when he mentions the $3 million spent studying grizzly bear DNA; but McCain never seems to mention the fact that he, too, voted for the bear pork in the end as part of a spending package. Someone with Obama's debate prep team is going to find a few things like that and there will be a memorized comeback for each one.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
I disagree cj
August 20, 2008 - 12:06 ET by candanceMcCain had several poor performances in the GOP primary debates and has never been known as a good speaker. It's true that he did well with Rick Warren, but one good night does not a pattern make.
You are correct about Obama doing poorly in live debates though. My gut feeling is that moderators will use tricks to confuse McCain (talking fast, using big words, etc) and most debates will end in a draw.
As much as I like it...
August 20, 2008 - 09:22 ET by cjbreisch...I'm going to have to go with "outlier" for now. Other polls listed on RCP have shown a continued "tightening" of the race, but still with Obama having a slight margin. I'm going to need to see a couple more with McCain in the lead before I'll believe them.
Hmmm...whaddya know...while writing this...GWU Battleground: McCain +1
LATimes (which -always- polls high for Dems), Obama +2.
I take back most of my initial skepticism.
Here's the thing; If Obama
August 20, 2008 - 10:40 ET by Hero SquadHere's the thing; If Obama is leading in the polls by 2 points, and he's leading in safe Dem states like California by, say, 15 points.
That does not bode well for Obama's candidacy in the battleground states, where this campaign will be won.
A state-by-state breakdown is necessary to see where this race actually stands. I'd say it's definitely swung in McCain's favor at this point in time.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
The precipitous Drop is all MSM's and BHO's responsibility
August 20, 2008 - 09:33 ET by JayTeeThe Public was Waterboarded by the MSM forcing Obamer down our throats 24/7, and the MSM tells us that's TORTURE....and the Public Responded.
BHO showed us who..uh..with...uh..duh..uh, whom he really is ....and the Public Responded.
Now no one in the MSM will talk about Polls (including Biff) for months...and the DNC Convention needs a BIG Bounce for uh..uhduh...Obamer.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
If last week is any
August 20, 2008 - 09:34 ET by shawn228If last week is any indication Obama better be careful. His answers were wishy washy while McCains were fast and to the point. His arrogance in the fact he cannot admit he was wrong about the surge is very troubling.
I still say he will pick Senator Clinton as his VP, it will be his best chance or only chance to win now.
Real life video games are cool
Call me a hard hearted
August 20, 2008 - 09:38 ET by ConservativeRexCall me a hard hearted American, but when that young lady Johnson won a gold medal last night and they did an interview with her on TV, I lost all respect for the little creep when I saw she was wearing peace symbols as earrings.
I am of an age where the peace symbol is still the track of the American chicken. She disrespected our troops in the field, and our country on worldwide TV, all the while in a communist country! And don't give me any of that freedom of expression crap, you want to express any of that crap, do it on your own soil. Makes me wish the little Chicom had won, a