On CNN Saturday Morning News today, anchor Betty Nguyen interviewed a psychiatrist about Major Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 and wounded 30 others in a shooting spree Thursday in Fort Hood, Texas. She began by delving into possible reason for Hasan's actions:
NGUYEN: Dr. Paul Ragan, a psychiatrist who specializes in post-traumatic stress disorder joins me now from Nashville. Dr. Ragan, let me ask you this. Are the Ft. Hood shootings the action of someone who might have suffered from PTSD?DR. PAUL RAGAN, SPECIALIZES IN POST-TRAUMATIC SYNDROME: I think actually that's fairly unlikely. Dr. Hasan just finished a two-year fellowship at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress and he had only been an independent Army psychiatrist for about four months. That is at an operational base. So for him to have been suffering from PTSD I think is highly unlikely.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓NGUYEN: Doctor, let me ask you this, then. A lot of people find it awfully ironic too, he was a psychiatrist, someone to help people when they have issues, yet he's also accused of shooting of this magnitude. What would cause someone, especially with that kind of training and that kind of background to do something like this?
RAGAN: Well, that's the huge question before us. I don't have the exact answer. I can give a little guidance. To put it bluntly, the wheels came off many, many months or even years probably before he showed up at Ft. Hood. Usually, in the military after you finish your residency, you go and do your operational tour. That's what I did. Then, the Army allowed him to do a two-year fellowship. There's some evidence that he may have been trying to avoid deploying. And so where did he not identify with the military mission? He had been in the military as the soldier said earlier, over 10 years. What was it that happened that he couldn't fulfill his military obligations?
Nguyen then moved on to another potential reason for the massacre:
NGUYEN: Yeah. So, the question, too, is it the fact that he disagreed with the mission or was it taunting, was it teasing, was it harassment? Could these things have played a role as well?RAGAN: They may have. I can tell you, in the medical community over 25 years I have been intermittently teased for being a psychiatrist. That, I don't think, was the tipping point for him. And clearly, there's a good deal of prejudice in certain areas of our society toward Muslims, but, again, as the soldier told us, the Army has been pretty strict about not engaging in that type of harassment. So again, I don't think that was the tipping point. I think it was earlier.
So who would taunt, tease or harasss a field grade Army officer? It's implausible that anyone lower than him in rank would be so foolish. People at his rank and above are probably astute enough in terms of political correctness to realize that their careers could easily be over with just one career ending utterance.
Moreover, earlier in her program Nguyen aired an interview of an Army sergeant who is Muslim conducted by correspondent Sean Callebs. When asked about harassment because of his religion, the sergeant responded:
The only experience that I did have was while I was in basic training and a friend, a battle buddy is my own -- basically the guy I room with, the guy who I have to look out for and he has to look out for me, just made a joke regarding my religion and my drill sergeant took that very seriously and had him disciplined from my entire company and he was punished for his actions, even though he was jokingly saying it to me.
Still, Nguyen wanted to explore that as a reason for what happened. With both PTSD and harassment effectively set aside, she moved on to one last reason:
NGUYEN: What about religious beliefs? Do you think that might have played a role because there were reports that he gave out the Koran the day of the shooting, also reports that he may have yelled Allah akbar right before the shootings. Could religion have played a role?RAGAN: I think religion did play a role. Evidently he was counseled about proselytizing patients which was clearly a boundary violation. We have a report that he gave in his class at the fellowship, he was talking about endorsing suicide bombings. He was clearly engaging in some type of tunnel vision where this kind of radical view, which is not, as again the soldier said before, is not a part of mainstream Muslim religion. And so, he was -- there was something going on there, very much so.
Hasan's motivation may never be determined with absolute certainty. Still, it's interesting that some in the mainstream media look for other reasons - as remote as they may be - before considering a more obvious one.
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It is dishonest of the state
November 7, 2009 - 15:25 ET by d1carterIt is dishonest of the state run media to not call the elephant in the room an elephant.
its dishonest and offensive
November 7, 2009 - 15:30 ET by Conservative Voiceits dishonest and offensive
Dishonest
November 7, 2009 - 15:31 ET by 10ksnookerIs just another name for the lamestream media.
There are only two choices, the Muslim was nuts, or the Muslim was nuts.
I don't really think
November 8, 2009 - 04:12 ET by RowaneI don't really think "dishonest" covers these jerks, I think they're complicit.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
What is the media so afraid of?
November 7, 2009 - 15:27 ET by Conservative VoiceThey go through such lengths to make up some excuse for this excuse for skin.
Are most muslims wack jobs, no...but the evidence that there are wack jobs who use religion as their tool to rationalize and justify their behavior is clear.
Should we round up the muslims? no...but we certainly shouldn't play pc either.
Ignoring the obvious . . . and worse
November 8, 2009 - 13:41 ET by GalvanicThe liberal media are looking for every possible explanation for this killer's behavior as a distraction from the obvious one: It was an act of Islamic terrorism.
What this story is revealing is that the US Army was negligently tolerant of this officer's anti-American behavior, apparent over years of his service. Soldiers will tell you that the armed forces are overly sensitized to multi-culturalism, and fear disciplining personnel even when overt warning signs appear.
But I see even a worse aspect of the reporting. Beside the obligatory throw-away comments of sympathy for the victims and their families, the real angst emerging from MSMers is his ethnic identity. "Why did he have to be a Muslim?", as if that is the real tragedy and not the killings and woundings. These scum are more concerned about retributions against Muslims than they are about the dead Americans.
You can't make this stuff up. When they are unscripted, the MSM consistently reveals its perverted PC sentiments regardless how absurd they are on their face.
Question:
November 7, 2009 - 15:39 ET by BKeyserwhat cause are they furthering? Liberals almost immediately jumped to the defense of Islam as we've all seen by the many threads dealing with the subject her at NB. So, what do they stand to gain? Why struggle so hard to try to find any plausible deniability for Hasan? If it turns out -as much of the anecdotal evidence indicates- that his religious beliefs overcame his patriotism, then all of these folks come out the other side looking like the apologist fools we know them to be. But if they just keep their mouths shut, and it turns out that he did just "snap" (which will likely be his criminal defense) than these apologist fools could come out and say, "well, this is why we shouldn't pre-judge."
Well the liberals on here
November 7, 2009 - 19:32 ET by gmaniac1Well the liberals on here also defend the likes of Letterman the womanizer/pedophile, Polanski the pedophile, Chomsky the fascist, etc. So why would it surprise anyone that they defend an Islamic terrorist that killed fellow American soldiers?
It wasn't anything that drove him except absolute hate for this country's way of being. Many people have others to deal with on a regular basis and don't murder unsuspecting people in such a cowardly manner. But of course liberals have become very cowardly since Carter so of course they will defend other cowards.
"criminal defense"?
November 7, 2009 - 20:06 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonHe is a radical muslim terrorist that committed an act of war against tthe United States by attacking a military base and prior to firing the first round shouted "allah ahkbar".
The act of sabotage earns a firing squad at dawn, so sayeth the geneva accords.
Screw the media, and screw the trial lawyers associations and SCREW the democrats while nobody is looking.
http://gjresult.com
I still am in love with her
November 7, 2009 - 15:46 ET by TomoramaYa ya, I know that being a babe dies not make her a better newsie, but she is scary good looking and smart even for a liberal thinker.
They had someone on this morning that was pounding home the "too many deployments" bullshit when the FACTS are that this t-head has never st foot over there.
That is dishonest and AGENDA DRIVEN "JoWHOREnalism" at it's worst.
Last night I heard over and over "what made him snap", HE DIDN'T SNAP, giving all your shit away and walking in with two guns shooting at random and yelling praise to allah is not snapping, it is a t-head committing a terrorist act against this country and my fellow vets geniuses.
The media is DONE with the exception of one or two sources.
A great man once said, YOU only get out of life what YOU put into it, he obviously wasn't a liberal.
Tomorama
November 7, 2009 - 16:08 ET by MrShySpot-on. It's disgusting. And yes, the MSM are all jumping on the "too many deployments" strawman argument..... GUY NEVER DEPLOYED !!!!!
It is so despicably corrupt, our news media today.
11/5/09 should now be as important a day as 9/11/01, but instead it's an isolated incident of a man who dealt with "racism". Sick.
Also, CNN finally has some "red meat" of "racism" and the horrible "harassment" he was getting for being a Muslim:
The bumper sticker reading "Allah is Love" was torn off and the car was keyed.
A police report was filed in the August 16 incident involving Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's Honda, and a neighbor was charged with criminal mischief.
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Relatives say Hasan, a U.S.-born citizen of Palestinian descent, was a "calm" individual who had been taunted after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Others describe him as a vocal opponent to the war on terror whose rhetoric concerned colleagues.
The bumper sticker incident at Hasan's apartment complex in Killeen, Texas, is the first known example of harassment that has surfaced since the shooting.
So we review the awful things he had to endure:
1) Living in a Christian/secular-dominated country, terrorists clearly in the name of his religion and his God commit a historically heinous Islamic terrorist act on our soil, and he may or may not have had to deal with some taunting in the aftermath.
2) His car is vandalized. He reports it and justice is served.
This POS Islamic terrorist receives every hook from the MLM (Muslim Loving Media) and gets a pass.
What an idiot
November 7, 2009 - 15:48 ET by DelsaThis act of Terror should make EVERYONE THINK!!!
This ass had too much rank to be taunted? What a joke.
Let me think, He hated what our military was doing, was a muslim, and admired suicide bombers!
This was an America loving soldier???
He is a Terrorist.
Make me SICK!!
Re Idiot
November 7, 2009 - 17:22 ET by slickwillie2001Exactly. He was a MAJOR, he outranked 95% of others in the military. I don't believe the taunting-teasing meme. Maybe in high school, and if he's not over that, the military and our wars are not his problem. He also worked in hospitals most of his career, with other professionals.
Re not being able to find a wife, I understand his requirements were for a good muslim woman that would pray five times a day and wear the hijab. Good luck there.
Wasn't Tim McVeigh in the Army too
November 7, 2009 - 15:56 ET by HogTideRebelCatsJust imagine what Pravda would be saying if another Tim McVeigh type did this.
The MSM will go out of their
November 7, 2009 - 16:02 ET by Tom PaineThe MSM will go out of their way to either ignore or make excuses for the fact that a Muslim Psychologist and Army officer killed American soldiers while shouting "allah akbar". But God help us if they discover his car radio was tuned to a talk station.
How can it have been PTSD?
November 7, 2009 - 16:12 ET by PrairieSkyAll this PTSD talk in reference to Hasan is absurd...The psycho has never even served overseas!!! He's never left the country! He has never been in the war zones!!
This appears to have been a religiously motivated crime against American soldiers because they were American soldiers. PTSD isn't in the mix here. Hasan is misfit loser, who has apparently had a history of trouble with other Army personnel. He reportedly has also had a problem with his patients. How this POS ever made major, I'll never know. This report we've heard about his being harrassed is likely BS, because there is no record of his ever making any formal complaints about that. The military is very good about clamping down on harrassment of any kind, and it's probable that this "harrassment" angle is just that...A BS excuse for Hasan to use as a reason to help justify what he did.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
It was Glenn Beck's fault
November 7, 2009 - 16:16 ET by HogTideRebelCatsPravda will blame the right wing talk shows before they would state the obvious that this was outright Terriorism
How do liberals survive their own stupidity?
November 7, 2009 - 16:46 ET by Ten7sHasan says, "Allah akbar" and starts killing. How much more info do you need? Its not like radical Muslims are novel.
Ten 7s ... They are doing
November 7, 2009 - 16:58 ET by bigtimerTen 7s ...
They are doing thier best to make it a novel...written by them.
It's been despicable...all of it.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
we of sound mind and a fair thinking
November 7, 2009 - 16:47 ET by larry on LIbelieve that : mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent, however the liberal minded believe and practice the opposite, oppose it when you get the chance or wait until you can't.
He suffered from being a muslim
November 7, 2009 - 17:09 ET by RD Kingand hating anyone who isn't, just like failure hussein mm mm mmm does.
Hussein's reaction to this terrorist's massacre,
November 7, 2009 - 17:12 ET by BO STINKScombined with the SCM's reaction is absolutely ensuring a conservative mandate from the people in 2010 & 2012. Thanks, morons, you are making this way too easy for us conservatives. Aren't you going to make the two upcoming elections any challenge at all?
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the Plain Meaning of Words!" ~Sam Adams
Harassment?
November 7, 2009 - 18:01 ET by Army BratA Muslim veteran affairs
organization says it has not received reports of harassment from
Islamic soldiers, contrary to claims by a relative of the man
authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S.
military base.
http://www.foxnews.c...
I found dear leaders response to the massacre extremely disturbing.
If my troops, my soldiers had come under fire, my primary concerns would be their well being and safety...the loved ones of those soldiers. I would have dropped what I was doing and high tailed it for the hospital where the wounded were being treated.
When speaking about the attack, I would not have first yakked it up about the meeting I was involved with prior to the attack. I would not have taken the time to say hello to a man that I clearly had no knowledge of prior to some underling cluing me in...and poorly.
My first words would have been of prayers for the fallen, the wounded and their loved ones. The man is devoid of empathy. A necessary "quality" for the fundamental remaking of America.
We mean nothing as individuals. In his eyes there are no individuals, which eliminates the need for individual liberty. His treatment of our nations best and bravest...Heartless, callous and uncaring. President Bush made it to the hospital in short order. Where is Obama? Need I ask? I know where he isn't. No time for a photo op yet. Give his handlers some time. They'll figure it out.
If he treats them so, what contempt does he hold for you and I?
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
Dear leader, Army Brat
November 7, 2009 - 18:07 ET by Mike BatesI found dear leader's response to the massacre extremely disturbing.
I find dear leader extremely disturbing.
Mike
November 7, 2009 - 18:47 ET by Army BratAgreed.
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
Army Brat,
November 7, 2009 - 21:39 ET by UpNorth"if my troops, my soldiers had come under fire, my primary concerns would
be their well being and safety...the loved ones of those soldiers". The former CIC responded just exactly that way. President Bush and Laura were at the hospital Friday night, visiting the wounded, and their families. Privately, without the media. PBO, not available, he had to be on the Hill today, to bask in the admiration of his followers and persuade them to ruin health care in our country. He may make it there by Tuesday, for the memorial service. With tons of photogs and probably news anchors, in tow.
The longer Obama's in office
November 7, 2009 - 21:46 ET by Mike Bates. . .the better George W. Bush looks.
Occam's Razor
November 7, 2009 - 17:34 ET by sic721When you hear hoofbeats behind you, don't expect to see a zebra.
I am officially talking just to hear myself talk.
November 7, 2009 - 18:03 ET by JWFThese poeple are clearly not listening. Mark Steyn was right - We now have Pre Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. People that don't even enter combat get it. He was never in combat and had no risk of entering combat as a Psychiatrist.
Are the Ft. Hood shootings the action of someone who might have suffered from PTSD?
This is the day and age of hand held cameras and youtube. Our soldiers and marines can afford hand held cameras. They use them. They are proud of the videos. You want to catch a glimpse. Look around. The intertubes is chock full of 'em. Judge for yourself the level of PTSD these good men are coming home with.
Ah. Let me quote someone I dearly love ------
Media Template
November 7, 2009 - 18:24 ET by nadadhimmiWe mustn't loose track of the msm template here. So called minorities including but not limited to Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, Women, Muslims, Disabled and a few I'm sure I left out, by definition can do no wrong. They are endemnified from all wrong doing and if it appears they have commited a crime then that action must be evaluated in the light of White Christian oppression. This "oppression" is sufficient to justify ANY action as long as it's against US interests or regular, mainstream, white Christian Americans. This is the msm Template my friends and it hasn't changed in decades. It's only a matter of time before one of these paragons of "journalism" calls the Ft Hood casualties: "Little Eichmanns".
MSM is trying so hard to
November 7, 2009 - 18:35 ET by Radical1979MSM is trying so hard to blame the victim. Lets hope the public doesn't buy into it.
No, Nguyen
November 7, 2009 - 18:51 ET by justbob223It was Islam.
Ralph Peters
November 7, 2009 - 19:00 ET by AnotherFedUpOneJust recieved this in a email, written by this person Ralph Peters. I am not familiar with him, but this is spot on and worth the read:
On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting "Allahu Akbar!" committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.
What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting.
This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period.
When the terrorist posts anti-American hate-speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as "Palestinian" in a Muslim spouse-matching program, and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit — well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an "Islamist terrorist."
But the president won’t. Despite his promise to get to all the facts. Because there’s no such thing as "Islamist terrorism" in ObamaWorld.
And the Army won’t. Because its senior leaders are so sick with political correctness that pandering to America-haters is safer than calling terrorism "terrorism."
And the media won’t. Because they have more interest in the shooter than in our troops — despite their crocodile tears.
Maj. Nadal Malik Hasan planned this terrorist attack and executed it in cold blood. The resulting massacre was the first tragedy. The second was that he wasn’t killed on the spot.
Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills. Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming "harassment" drove him temporarily insane. There’ll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn’t dare pursue or carry out the death penalty.
Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here. While US Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately.
And he’ll have the last laugh.
But Hasan isn’t the sole guilty party. The US Army’s unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood. Given the myriad warning signs, it’s appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Ft. Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.
Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would’ve been gone with the simoon. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.
Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.
There’s another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who’ve been assigned to his care? And he’s not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?
For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I’m ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him. Get ready for the apologias. We’ve already heard from the terrorist’s family that "he’s a good American." In their world, maybe he is.
But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense?
A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she’s becoming too Westernized.
Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we’re assured that "Islam’s a religion of peace."
I guarantee you that the Obama administration’s non-response to the Ft. Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.
If anyone is familiar with this person, would you please clue me in...Thanks
Hi FedUp... He was on BOR
November 7, 2009 - 19:12 ET by bigtimerHi FedUp...
He was on BOR last night...and well worth the watch...probably could find the clip on Fox news site.
I was posting 'Thank-YOU Ralph Peters!' while and after he was on.
I know who he is, I've heard him on and off over the years....but last night I could have hugged him.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Evening BT
November 7, 2009 - 19:25 ET by AnotherFedUpOneWell, That figures.....havent seen any Fox in the evenings all week due to family comitments, but will watch for him in the future. And thanks for the heads up!
How are ya anyway my MT buddy?
FedUp... Doing
November 7, 2009 - 19:31 ET by bigtimerFedUp...
Doing fine...trying to get things buttoned up before the snow starts sticking and piling soon....rain, rain, rain for now.
Anyway...catch up with you and others soon. ;-)
How'd your DC trip go?
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT
November 7, 2009 - 19:37 ET by AnotherFedUpOneUnderstand about gettin ready for the white stuff....not ready for it yet, in my mind!
Leave for DC tommorow, suppose to be nice weather wise, and looking forward to a couple of museums....
Catch up with you in a bit ....
(edit)...Found out about Lt. Col. Ralph Peters.....thanks.....
FedUp & BT
November 7, 2009 - 19:40 ET by MrShyA disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she’s becoming too Westernized.
Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we’re assured that "Islam’s a religion of peace."
Amen. Unreal what these s-bags get away with in a great, tolerant (but overly tolerant in our PC age), freedom-loving country like the U.S. of A.. We just let them commit one evil act after another, after another.... drip drip.... keep infringing on everything we see as unacceptable in the civilized, 21st Century world.....
And BT, not sure what the latest is on the ObamaCare vote... guess it's happening now.
MrS... They've been on
November 7, 2009 - 19:50 ET by bigtimerMrS...
They've been on the floor all day debating between 3 different committies...now they are taking up the Stupak (D) amendment that applies the Hyde amendment which strikes all federally funding abortion with the exception of rape and incest....we shall see how it goes...the blue dogs want this passed, the R's will vote for this...but the problem is when they get to conference it may be stripped out...which I think it will if it ever gets out of the Senate.
Then they go to the GOP version of Health Care Bill....
Then they vote on the big one...which I'm hoping it doesn't pass at all and is killed dead tonight...so it doesn't go to the Senate...it dies on the vine.
If that happened, which I don't think we'll be lucky enough to happen, it will be as DeMint stated so succinctly ...O's Waterloo!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
FedUp... Oh, have a great
November 7, 2009 - 19:42 ET by bigtimerFedUp...
Oh, have a great trip, stay safe and fill me in when you can...did you find anybody on NBs from the DC area yet?
I know there are some on here...just can't keep track of where all of us are from state wise all the time....anyway....have a good one!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Will do BT...
November 7, 2009 - 20:31 ET by AnotherFedUpOneHaven't asked who lives back there at all, but have a full day scheduled for myself on Monday and will let you know all about it!
Will be just another trip for me, lol.....
Take Care!
I had the distinct honor to
November 7, 2009 - 22:45 ET by BDI had the distinct honor to have him as an instructor for a pair of day long classes in 1989 at Fort Hood Texas when he was the leader of the military Intelligence Analysts for the Army's III Corps. I was a young First Lieutenant who was being rebranched from Infantry to Military Intelligence and recall the efforts he led his staff to get us up to speed on intelligence concepts as fast as possible.
At the time he was a major and I was later told by his staff that he was working on a book that would become "Red Army" dealing with a fictionalized account of a battle in NORTHAG between NATO and theSoviets.
Since then he has retired as a Lieutenant Colonel, written many more books, appeard on numerous shows, and writes columns for the New York Post.
While I do not always concur with his views, I make sure I read them.
This piece of trash...
November 7, 2009 - 19:15 ET by shawn228....deserves to be buried in an unmarked grave to rot. Instead he is alive. He will be paralyized, but I have no sympathy.
The thing is it is brought to light how many other Muslim men get taunted for their religion. These people are putting their lives on the line to protect our country and last I heard, people came to the US to escape religious prosecution.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
hey phony
November 7, 2009 - 19:32 ET by MrShy"The thing is it is brought to light how many other Muslim men get taunted for their religion."
Typical of you to pretend to be on the right side of this issue with your phony outrage, only to then end with your b.s. defense of "taunted Muslims". If you're going to make that claim, "bring it to light" for us... with links/proof.
What is your problem shy?
November 7, 2009 - 19:40 ET by shawn228Stop being a horse's a$$. The man that did this is despicable and my outrage is very real. Quite a few articles have referenced how he was taunted. All am saying the I hope Muslims in our arm forces are not taunted in the future
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
C'mon Shawn
November 7, 2009 - 19:43 ET by acumenI'm finding it difficult to believe that in a setting of mostly young men, they would actually taunt each other. That's uncanny....
All I'm saying is, don't
November 7, 2009 - 20:07 ET by MrShyAll I'm saying is, don't come on here with that BS. You're gonna make a claim, point us to examples. You know the rules here.
And, being your disingenuous self (what a shock), what you've now said are two different things... I think.... after I've taken a while trying to translate what you wrote:
First this:
The thing is it is brought to light how many other Muslim men get taunted for their religion.
Well, your writing is so p*ss poor that I can't even tell if you're claiming something or just "guessing" for guessing's sake or... just letting us know you're peering into the future and it concerns you, or.... I have no idea. Then you run for cover and/or clarify with this:
I hope Muslims in our arm forces are not taunted *in the future*.
And now, after your post below, I just scratch my head wondering why you're even throwing out a meaningless hypothetical/bit of conjecture in the first place.
I have zero tolerance for stupidity when it comes to this horrific tragedy, as I would hope most if not all of us do.
Shy
November 7, 2009 - 20:11 ET by shawn228The articles that I read said he and others was taunted, so I said brought to light. I will retract that part until there is proof if it will make you happy.
As for the second sentence, I hope Musims are not taunted in the future either, I really don't know why it is so hard to figure out.
Okay so I retracted what I said Shy. Its not like I said anything bad about the military or the US, so stop acting like a spoiled hippy liberal and don't be so angry.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Harassment...in case you missed my earlier post...
November 8, 2009 - 02:10 ET by Army BratA Muslim veteran affairs
organization says it has not received reports of harassment from
Islamic soldiers, contrary to claims by a relative of the man
authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S.
military base.
Not one single report. Zero.
http://www.foxnews.c...
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
~Shawn is not disingenuous
November 7, 2009 - 21:40 ET by choselife3xHe's naive.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Really, you fell for it?
November 7, 2009 - 22:23 ET by general companyI am suprised, really
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc... Not me. 'Doubling
November 7, 2009 - 23:46 ET by bigtimergc...
Not me.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
~Says the one who frenched a Kossack plant
November 8, 2009 - 08:16 ET by choselife3xOver and over and over and over.......
Hope they use mouthwash over there at Kos.
In order to be an idiot, one must first be an dumb@ss.
clx3 - am laughing so hard I nearly fell off the chair!
November 8, 2009 - 11:26 ET by BO STINKSAlthough I didn't witness what you describe, I can imagine it happening! Love your witty descriptions, dear chose.
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the Plain Meaning of Words!" ~Sam Adams
No irony in that statement
November 12, 2009 - 11:11 ET by general companyNope, not at all.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Please provide proof that
November 7, 2009 - 22:49 ET by BDPlease provide proof that Hasan was taunted. Real eye witnesses required, not some Mullah somehwere saying Hasan had told him....
Until then, I believe he was not since I have not witnessed anything like what is described.
Hello? hello?? Does 'MAJOR' have any meaning here?
November 7, 2009 - 23:33 ET by TailgunnerThe little turd was an Army officer.
Speaking as a 20-year Navy retiree, the last thing I would ever do was look crosseyed at an officer...or his wife, or his daughter, or his dog.
Didn't happen.
As GUN CONTROL has nothing to do with GUNS, so HEALTH CONTROL has nothing to do with HEALTH.
Tyranny is rarely felt save by those who OPPOSE it. (unknown)
I concur with tailgunner. Shawn228 needs to retract his words.
November 8, 2009 - 08:20 ET by JWFShawn228 is dead dead dead wrong. Teasing, taunts, joking, frat boy humor. All comes from your peers. Too far down the ranks, and it looks like harrassment. Even taunting 1 rank up gets you latrine duty at the least and charges of insubordination normally.
Any teasing or taunts this man would have recieved would have come from other Majors or Colonels. All men and women that would have had a long career already, 10, 15 years. You are gonna risk that just to tease a fellow officer?
Listen to people that have served Shawn, not the MSM Newsbusters exposes. Not Hollywood movies.
Our armed forces are in the business of protecting this country. It is not a big frat boy club where anything goes.
Retract your statement Shawn. In a respectful believable manner this time.
Officers do not get taunted, teased or harrassed.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
You are correct. I had a
November 8, 2009 - 09:30 ET by BDYou are correct. I had a relitively informal relationship with my troops all the way up til retirement in which I could be good naturedly teased by my subordinates.
I cannot IMAGINE been taunted regarding family matters, religion or anything else by the troops. If someone HAD it would have been a fairly simple exercise in pain for them.
THerefore I assume MAJ Hasan probably assumes he was taunted because he sought such. Someone probably disagreed with his assessment reference suicide bombers and in Hasans mind in a search for victimhood status it became a major league taunt.
This guy had a failing military career and sought a reason outside of himself "THey hate me because I am muslim, etc."
Enlighten me Shawn...
November 7, 2009 - 19:40 ET by acumenThe thing is it is brought to light how many other Muslim men get taunted for their religion.
Enlighten me Shawn, how many others?
I don't know acumen
November 7, 2009 - 19:42 ET by shawn228I don't know all the details. I am merely saying I hope that Muslims in our armed forces don't have to put up with taunting about their religion. If there is none, thats great. If there is, then I hope it stops. Simple as that.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Oh, OK
November 7, 2009 - 19:44 ET by acumenSo you don't know for sure....
acumen... Plus we don't
November 7, 2009 - 19:56 ET by bigtimeracumen...
Plus we don't know the real back and forth over time as to any taunting...it's just hearsay so far...and if there were problems I'd say this evil man incited it...purposely.
JMHO
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT -- Exactly but....
November 7, 2009 - 21:07 ET by acumenand I'm sure you would agree -- so what if he was taunted?
I really don't give a damn if major handgun was taunted every waking minute of his whole life - that is no excuse for violently reacting against those he almost certainly had never even met. I would certainly expect more from a military officer - particularly a reported devotee of the "religon of peace".
I'm offended that this is even being discussed as some sort of plausible excuse for such insane behavior by some in the establishment media....and even here at NB. I can't even begin to imagine how offensive this pathetic attempt at correlation must be to friends, relatives and family members of the victims.
It's as simple as this. The lunatic made a choice between serving his country or serving his perverted religious beliefs. He chose perversion.
The military stated they have no documentation of the major complaining of being harrassed. So what kind of message is the media sending to their audience by presenting such a scenario - it makes it less egregious that a person would kill a bunch of innocents if they were taunted?
If that's the case:
The scenario - Someone popped me the bird while I was driving down the road today. So I'm loading up the arsenal and heading down to the DMV on Monday.
The trial - Your honor. In my client's defense, other drivers did taunt him by giving him the finger causing him to snap. So it is only reasonable my client would react by discharging over 100 rounds killing and wounding scores of other drivers that happened to be at the DMV on a later date.
Media report - Uncle testified defendent was unjustly given the finger, not just once, but maybe other times over the past 20 years by insensitive drivers. Uncle claims nephew was quiet, gentle soul, always with a smile for others and was just a simple goat-herder on his way to a wedding trying to defend himself against bullying aggressive drivers when provoked. Some critics say road rage could have, maybe, possibly played some remote part but most believe incindiary provocateurs played a dominant role.
acumen... Totally
November 7, 2009 - 21:22 ET by bigtimeracumen...
Totally agree...totally.
I've been so disgusted that the word disgusted cannot describe my anger redarding the spin from the left...it is outrageous...deplorable. ..I knew it would happen, but not to the sickening level it has already.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT
November 7, 2009 - 21:55 ET by acumenI hear ya. But, but the establishment media must get to the bottom of this. It just has to be America's fault...why, why, there is just no precedent of Muslim religious zealots killing innocents....unless they are taunted of course.
All right, I'm getting too sarcastic for even me to endure. It must have been that damn Rosie O'Donut thread, yeah that's what it was -- Rosie taunting Glen Beck -- Rosie, yeah, that's it - the devil made me do it.
Hope you liked the frolicking elk fawn vid. Tough life.
Take care. I'm going to go sit in a corner and think about what I've just done. Or maybe just stare into space like David Puddy.
acumen... You're link has
November 7, 2009 - 22:00 ET by bigtimeracumen...
You're link has me laughing!
I'll be catching up with you soon...one way or the other.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Acumen
November 7, 2009 - 20:00 ET by shawn228No I don't know. I am under the impression from a some articles I read that a few people say he was taunted. It might to true it might not be, I am saying I hope the accusations are not true.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
do us a favor
November 7, 2009 - 20:09 ET by MrShyLink us to "a some of those articles".
Here is one shy
November 7, 2009 - 20:18 ET by shawn228Sorry It is the first one I that came up when I Googled, it is from the LA Times and before you accuse me of believing the LA Times because I don't, It is just the first one that came up.
"The younger man, an American-born Muslim of Palestinian descent, spoke to his uncle of ethnic taunts by Army colleagues. He was haunted by the wartime disabilities of soldiers he treated as an Army psychiatrist, Hamad recalled, and was overwhelmed by a growing caseload he felt unable to manage."
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
umm....
November 7, 2009 - 20:45 ET by MrShyStill waiting on a link that has some examples of taunting and/or harassment. This excerpt you're providing has none, nor does the article it links to.
To my knowledge, the only documented/confirmed case was a man who tore off his "Allah is Love" bumper sticker and key-scraped his car. The wonderful, American-loving Maj. Hasan rightfully reported it. The suspect in question was reportedly dealt with lawfully and justice was served.
I don't know why I'm biting on your nonsense, shawn. Not to mention, I can't even make out what you're writing 80% of the time.
Shy
November 7, 2009 - 20:50 ET by shawn228Serious, I really think I am talking to a 12 year old hear, but with much more ridiculous hair and metrosexual clothes.
I told you I don't have proof, I gave a you a retraction, I told you I thought I saw something about it in the Newspaper. Think about it shy, you can't be that slow can you?
"I don't know why I'm biting on your nonsense, shawn. Not to mention, I can't even make out what you're writing 80% of the time"
I do! you bite because you want to become popular. You bite because people actually agree with me once in a while, you bite because you love a good pile one and is upset people don't jump on me any more.
Well here is your chance shy, because your odds are quite good on this one. As much as you want to portray me as someone that sympathizes with the killer, It aint gonna work.....sorry.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
→ Shy
November 7, 2009 - 20:50 ET by Cool ArrowBe nice to Shawn. How can we know the limits of his endurance?
At what point does he feel we are taunting him beyond a tipping point?
I'm jez sayin . . .
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
cool -->
November 7, 2009 - 20:54 ET by MrShyI know. And now I have to (well, I don't have to) read his miserable rant above that goes into his theory about me on NB, yada yada.
I guess I reached his poor, little tipping point and now it's on to personal stuff.
Sorry Shy
November 7, 2009 - 21:25 ET by shawn228When you called me a Phony, that made it personal. I never do it to anyone unless they do it to me first. Sorry shy I'm not going lie down and let you kick me in the back.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
→ Who made the call?
November 10, 2009 - 23:29 ET by Cool ArrowAt the other end of the line must be the "phoner", with the other being the phonee.
Oh! Phony!
Never mind.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Heresay.
November 7, 2009 - 22:51 ET by BDHeresay.
Yup
November 8, 2009 - 00:32 ET by shawn228I agree, in fact I rememeber I agreed many times. Why does this not register with some people?. Hmmm that retraction must have been hard to figure out.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
THe theory that he reacted
November 8, 2009 - 09:32 ET by BDTHe theory that he reacted due to others insults CANNOT be given credence until proof is offered. Until then we will not entertain it.
So F&$%ing WHAT?
November 7, 2009 - 22:59 ET by Tailgunner'Overwhelmed'?
Did Hasan have to carry 130 pounds of guns and gear up a 30-degree slope in 130-degree heat...under fire?
'Haunted'?
Did Hasan ever have to carry a wounded comrade who died before they could reach medical aid?
Did Hasan ever see a building filled with fanatic jihadists shelled to bits...only to find women and children in the debris?
No. Someone may have ripped a bumper sticker off this puke's car.
And someone might have been mean to him once. (You'd think an Army OFFICER would know how to deal with disrespect and insubordination from enlisted soldiers...if it even occurred.)
And he might have heard one too many war stories.
That's what the MSM's using to explain mass murder in the name of Allah.
No one should EVER believe a WORD of anything the MSM says.
As GUN CONTROL has nothing to do with GUNS, so HEALTH CONTROL has nothing to do with HEALTH.
Tyranny is rarely felt save by those who OPPOSE it. (unknown)
So, somebody said....
November 7, 2009 - 20:16 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonAnd in your mind that equals Gospel?
They tells me that trolls is less than intellygunt, then youse pops in and pruves it.
http://gjresult.com
And in your mind that equals Gospel?
November 7, 2009 - 20:36 ET by shawn228No actually more like National Inquirer. Until I have some real proof. I also gave a retraction because I did not know all the details, I admit if if I wrong. You said all serial killingss are all liberals fault right, can you prove the killer is a Liberal?
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
yer cute shawn.
November 8, 2009 - 11:36 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnsonis there anything about the murderous terrorist that committed an act of war on a United States military post, shouting "allah ahkbar" that could be considered
CONSERVATIVE?
This piece of radical muslim slime couldn't come up with 50lbs of H.E. so he could be a 'freedom' fighter by blowing himself up in a crowded building.
And yes shawn, the links between radical muslim terrorist organizations and thos who give them constant, endless, positive press and political coverage is becoming more obvious every day.
The msm and democrat party provide undying support for those who wish to destroy this nation.
Care to take a shot at disproving that statement shawn?
http://gjresult.com
but I dont have to prove it Willis
November 8, 2009 - 15:20 ET by shawn228Most of the time I like to back up my points with facts, however since you say all mass murders and school shooters are liberal and you people have to prove you wrong, I'm saying you have to prove this guy is liberal, your rules not mine.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Silly little trollboy
November 9, 2009 - 09:34 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonI didn't ask you to "prove" it.
I told you to try to DISprove it.
And what you are supposed to be disproving is not your goal shifting ideas of the murderer being a liberal, but the question of WHO is trying to give him cover for his terrorist attack.
The liberal politicians and the liberal media.
I also noticed that you ran away from my comment that your hero is not a CONSERVATIVE.
Is it getting too cold under your bridge lately?
http://gjresult.com
Willis relax man
November 9, 2009 - 10:12 ET by shawn228I'm just using your own logic. I asked you to prove that the killer was liberal. I asked you first this time so its your move. Can't do it can you?
Do you have any functional brain cells left shawn?
November 9, 2009 - 11:57 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonMy point has been proven, you just can't bring yourself to admit it.
http://gjresult.com
My brain cells are just fine Willis
November 9, 2009 - 21:45 ET by shawn228Your statement in the past asked other people to prove you wrong. I am saying there is a possiblity this shooter is not liberal, can you prove me wrong?
Just wanted to show you how flawed your logic is. Sorry I have schooled you in front of your girlfriend Charmaine and your brother Arnold by the Gooch228 :-)
edit
"EVERY school shooting, mall shooting, athletic club shooting has been done by democrats or the children of hardcore liberals."
This is getting tedious Willis, I had to do a retraction because I could not back up with facts. Can you imagine how upset the folks here would be if I said it was their job to prove me wrong? Think about before you go on another self indgnant rant k?
Gee shawn, I'm kind of
November 10, 2009 - 12:26 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonGee shawn, I'm kind of at a loss here on this one.
You want me to 'prove' that a person, supported by a liberal media, and liberal politicians is not a liberal?
Here, I'll try to do it this way.
The extremely liberal (p)resident and his extremely liberal minions in his administration are actively gutting both the military and our intelligence gathering agencies.
Our extremely liberal 'leaders' in both the house and senate are actively blocking any investigations into the intentional destruction of our ability to protect ourselves either militarily or economically.
And the FIRST TERRORIST ACT since 9/11 is committed, by a RADICAL ISLAMIC FANATIC TERRORIST while obama is pretending to be president.
You decide shawn. Is he a 'liberal' or ar everybody else I mentioned TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS?
Your call little buddy.
http://gjresult.com
Hi Willis
November 10, 2009 - 23:19 ET by shawn228Thank you for your reasonable response. You do notice that only the second post you sent to me on this thread that did not have some sort of insult right?
Ok here goes. There is no doubt there is a liberal bias and MSM are apologist for everything from Muslim extremist, to Sadamm Hussein, to the pediphile Roman Polaski.
The fact that the liberal media is defending him does not mean he is a liberal. Liberals believe in free love without consequences, legal drugs and sexy lyrics in songs. Alcohol is banned in Muslim culture, Woman cannot show cleavage in public, much less their face.
The truth is I do not believe he is a liberal or a conservative, i was just pointing out how silly your statement was to disprove every single school shooting and mall shooting was liberal, you did not offer any proof and just asked people to disprove it. If you think that it is okay for everyone, not just you to throw out a statement like that not have offer any proof to back it up, I really cannot reason with you, it is what it is.
→ Shawn
November 10, 2009 - 23:27 ET by Cool ArrowYou're banned!
There! Feel better now?
He's a liberal because they butter his bread. Liberals enable Moslem terrorists.
Liberals love to wrap themselves in the blue lustre of the United Nations flag, and preen about with their "citizen of the World" attitudes.
You trying to say Ahpul Mahdik (or whatever his name is) opened fire on a bunch of Liberals? NOOOO! He knew the ideological concentration of his killing field, and I doubt even you would argue that.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
and I doubt even you would argue that.
November 11, 2009 - 00:01 ET by shawn228"....and I doubt even you would argue that."
Well when you use logic like that, I guess not. Please don't ban me :-)
Hey shawn?
November 11, 2009 - 09:09 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonBeing 'banned' isn't all that bad.
Read my bio. I wuz banned forever from my local 'news'papers website for making liberals and trolls cry.
I haven't been back, shed a tear, or had any sleepless night because of it.
http://gjresult.com
Hey Willis?
November 11, 2009 - 09:36 ET by shawn228You sure they did not make you cry? Warning Willis is using bad language. :-)
that's YOUR PORN site.
November 11, 2009 - 15:38 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonNot mine little buddy, that's YOUR PORN site.
Why did you post a link like that to this site?
http://gjresult.com
youtube is not a porn site
November 11, 2009 - 17:26 ET by shawn228....but perhaps when a person gets over a certain age the crack of dawn is considered porn.
Hey shawn don't be so
November 11, 2009 - 17:29 ET by Radical1979Hey shawn don't be so ageist! Just because I can't stay up till the crack of dawn is no reason to poke fun (unless you're one of my kids) ;)
Lol Rad
November 11, 2009 - 17:34 ET by shawn228:-)
→ Shawn
November 11, 2009 - 18:23 ET by Cool ArrowTony Orlando is still alive.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
the language used made
November 11, 2009 - 18:19 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnsonthe language used made it a porn site troll.
http://gjresult.com
hmmmm
November 11, 2009 - 18:26 ET by shawn228I thought I did a warning about the bad language you were using Willis. Ahhh more troll accusations, your really getting losing your temper aren't you? Lol.
not me fool. But you
November 11, 2009 - 18:37 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnsonnot me fool.
But you claim to be 38, yet your mannerisms indicate far less maturity.
And I don't use language like that in front of intellectual people.
This thread is over pornchild.
http://gjresult.com
lol
November 11, 2009 - 18:40 ET by shawn228f
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I wouldn't go so far as to assert Hasan was 'liberal'...
November 12, 2009 - 22:08 ET by Tailgunner...but they sure as hell seem to have a common enemy (us) and a common goal (tearing down our society in order to remake it in their own image).
Liberals definitely give aid and comfort to terrorists.
Just look at the last week. Liberals have gone out of their way, even invented new 'disorders', to conceal Hasan's obvious Islamic jihadist motivation for shooting over forty innocents including pregnant women in cold blood.
And their media fog machine has done this since long before 9/11.
Time after time after time the MSM deliberately conceals and distorts the facts that, if known, would expose these killers as part of a worldwide strategy of Koranic-inspired Jihadist terrorist murderers.
Liberals may not be 'terrorists' per se but they're working overtime on the Islamic PR front.
As GUN CONTROL has nothing to do with GUNS, so HEALTH CONTROL has nothing to do with HEALTH.
Tyranny is rarely felt save by those who OPPOSE it. (unknown)
Thank you Tailgunner!!!
November 12, 2009 - 23:06 ET by shawn228Excellent post. No accusations no insults, just great points. Yes liberals are a bunch of apologist that care about peoples feewings, but this was not a liberal or conservative, just a scumbag killer. Although Willis says every single mass shooting is from a liberal, but don't expect him to back it up, you have to disprove him. Maybe he is a liberal because that is certainly liberal logic.
Don't congratulate me just yet.
November 12, 2009 - 23:43 ET by TailgunnerWe may never know Hasan's position on late-term abortions, gay marriage, state-run healthcare, cap-and-trade or the Second Amendment.
But we know for sure that he sees Americans as one of two groups.
Either they are with him (or are willing to subjugate themselves to his agenda), in which case they are graciously allowed to continue breathing.
Or they are in that other group which his Allah dismisses as 'evil' and not worthy of his mercy...only of extermination.
The similarity between Hasan and liberals is that neither recognizes the rights or even the existence of the individual.
And for both, membership in the 'wrong' group is seen not as an individual choice, but as 'proof' that one is 'evil' and deserves to be dealt with as such.
'Infidel' and 'right-winger' both carry the stigma of ostracism and condemnation.
Only the tactics differ.
As GUN CONTROL has nothing to do with GUNS, so HEALTH CONTROL has nothing to do with HEALTH.
Tyranny is rarely felt save by those who OPPOSE it. (unknown)
It does not matter tailgunner
November 13, 2009 - 00:00 ET by shawn228You at least backed up your points. I made the mistake of skimmig through a few articles and assumed Hasan was taunted. I did a retraction. Can you imagine how the posters would have reacted if I told them it was their job to prove me wrong?
Willis says that all mass shootings ever have been liberals or something like that and will not back up any of his points. His claim to fame is copy and paste or link parts of the constitution, but you sir have substance and it is a pleasure to debate someone that wants to talk about the topic at hand instead of jiberish.
Actualy Shawn
November 9, 2009 - 10:27 ET by general companyYou said all serial killingss are all liberals fault right, can you prove the killer is a Liberal?
With this as the qualifier, he doesn't have to prove that serial killers are liberal, all he has to do is argue that liberal policies allow serial killers to kill. And in this case, that is an absolute fact, from what we know so far. I am going out on a limb, and guessing even you understand that. But just in case you really believe he is some how from the right, I will ask you: Was he for the war or against? Is the right by and large for the war or against? Who has embraced him even after his crime? Why?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
EVERY school shooting, mall shooting, athletic club shooting has
November 9, 2009 - 21:17 ET by shawn228"EVERY school shooting, mall shooting, athletic club shooting has been done by democrats or the children of hardcore liberals."
This is his statement GC. I'm trying to prove his hyperbole, by asking him to prove or disprove the killer is not liberal. He can't either way.
Maybe now
November 10, 2009 - 13:25 ET by general companyBut that is not what your statement above suggest. I am sure you realize, I wont play the move the goal post game. You can either retract/alter the statement or answer my questions and defend it. I mean, after all you said it?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
With all due respect GC
November 10, 2009 - 23:10 ET by shawn228You decided to comment about my conversation with Willis without knowing the facts just to disagree with me. That ok GC, I understand that you get off on it and I won't hold it against you. Ok so i'm going to finish my conversation with Willis now and you can have your widdy biddy turn in a moment okay ?
OK so great,
November 11, 2009 - 16:05 ET by general companyYou decided to comment about my conversation with Willis without knowing the facts just to disagree with me.
I know the fact, and the history of this debate.
That ok GC, I understand that you get off on it and I won't hold it against you
This very debate is about you trying to hold Willis to accout, but when someone does the same to you, you respond with the typical liberal nonsense.
Ok so i'm going to finish my conversation with Willis now and you can have your widdy biddy turn in a moment okay ?
What is it about liberals,? Why is it they think only their questions are relevant? And your 38?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Hi GC
November 11, 2009 - 17:24 ET by shawn228I hope all is well. Your the one that said I moved the goal posts and..... your know what I really am tired of responding to you.
I mean overall I get along with most on this site, but I have a few tiffs with few certain individuals, but I notice most of the time, there you General Company just hanging around. Lol, I didn't realize how much I get to you, the sad thing is how long it usually takes for you to respond with your rehearsed speech.
You can be all clingy if you want, but If I am late with my responses to you or not respond at all, don't take it personal k? because I rarely respond to anything you post, because it really is not that interesting :-)
High Shawn?
November 11, 2009 - 20:16 ET by general companyI mean overall I get along with most on this site, but I have a few
tiffs with few certain individuals, but I notice most of the time,
there you General Company just hanging around.
I mean overall I get along with most on this site, but I have a few
tiffs with few certain individuals, but I notice most of the time,
there you (are) Shawn just hanging around. Poor guy, : [
Lol, I didn't realize
how much I get to you, the sad thing is how long it usually takes for
you to respond with your rehearsed speech.
I repeat myself when Im distressed, I repeat myself when Im distressed, I repeat myself when Im distressed, I repeat myself when Im distressed,,,,,,, responding with my rehearsed speech,,,well actually I have a Teleprompter now.
You can be all clingy if you want, but If I am late with my responses
to you or not respond at all, don't take it personal k? because I
rarely respond to anything you post, because it really is not that
interesting :-)
But yet you responded,, that sounds a tad bit hypocritical to me. Not that I am surprised.
Grow up Shawn, we all realize you are just trying to change the subject. If you dont want to answer, dont respond. No need to show your immaturity,,,,,,really, I understand..
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
lol GC
November 11, 2009 - 20:47 ET by shawn228yet you just can't stop commenting on my posts. I love it. Have a great night GC
edit
You really are an annoying man....lmao
Says the guy who
November 12, 2009 - 11:21 ET by general companyjust can't stop commenting on my posts.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Lol GC
November 12, 2009 - 20:45 ET by shawn228That was actually pretty funny :-) Listen GC, I don't think you are a bad guy or anything, it is just you don't back up your points very well
For instance, you said I just can't stop commenting on your post. I guess that is true to a certain point, I comment on your posts when they pertain to me. 90 percent of your post to me are to get a dig in at me that has nothing to do with the topic or trying to get in the middle of the debate I am having with another poster.
So you say I can't stop comment on your post, perhaps you can use NB's crappy search engine and show me where I once commented one of your post that have nothing to do with me. Thank you.
My question was pefectly fine
November 12, 2009 - 21:18 ET by general companyI just want to know why/how do you figure Hasan is from the right?
90 percent of your post to me are to get a dig in at me
So it is insulting to you, if your questioned,,,,,,,,hmm sounds like someone else were all getting familiar with
that has nothing to do with the topic or trying to get in the middle of the debate I am having with another poster.
I thought it was very relivent to the subject at hand.,,,,,, Also PM folks if you want to "debate" in privet
use NB's
crappy search engine and show me where I once commented one of your
post that have nothing to do with me.
Why? Is it some sort of competition I am unaware of?
Listen GC, I don't think you are a bad guy or anything,
Why thank you, I get complimented on my amiability all the time.
it is just you don't back up your points very well
I feel kinda silly, for even having to say it? But I was actualy asking you to clear up YOUR point.
Look if you dont want to answer, dont.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC
November 13, 2009 - 00:34 ET by shawn228I hate it when people don't answer questions, so there must be some misinterpretation here, I do not believe or think Hasan is from the right, I was trying to prove a point that instead of backing up his points that all mass shootings are liberals, he instead ask people to disprove his statements also did I ever say that the killer was from the right? If you can tell me where I said that I would sure appreciate it, I believe asking if the killer was liberal is different than saying he is from the right.
So GC perhaps you can answer my question then, Can you back up the fact that I can't stop commenting on posts. Yes I admit I usually have a rebuttle to you comments, but have I ever commented on of your post that have nothing to do with me, no offense, I just don't have any interest on anything you say.
If you want to continue this could you make a new thread, this one is getting skinny....thanks.
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Finally, jeez
November 13, 2009 - 09:32 ET by general companyI do not believe or think Hasan is from the right
Ok, never thought we would get here.
I was trying to prove a point that instead of backing up his points
that all mass shootings are liberals, he instead ask people to disprove
his statements also did I ever say that the killer was from the right?
Not interested in your beef with another poster, I asked my questions for my own reasons,
So GC perhaps you can answer my question then, Can you back up the fact that I can't stop commenting on posts.
Well , when you reply with this as a response, what else would one think? If you didnt want to answer the questions, you should not had replied. In-fact, I thought I had missed something, the way you ignored the question, and went right in to childish antics?
Yes I admit I usually have a rebuttle to you comments, but have I ever
commented on of your post that have nothing to do with me, no offense,
I am sorry, did you contradict yourself here? Do you keep these kinds of records, of who post after who? I dont, so I wouldnt know.
I just don't have any interest on anything you say.
6 post later, I bore you. If I were here solely for your entertainment, I would be ashamed. Luckey for me, I am here for mine!
If you want to continue this could you make a new thread, this one is getting skinny....thanks.
Nah, Im good,,,,,,,,,,are you?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
shawn
November 7, 2009 - 19:54 ET by MrShy"If there is none, thats great. If there is, then I hope it stops. Simple as that."
Good grief.
Then what you're saying is.... nothing at all. What's the point of saying this?
"If it's sunny tomorrow, great. If it isn't, then I hope the sun comes out. Simple as that."
Thats not the same thing shy
November 7, 2009 - 20:04 ET by shawn228Everyone expects the sun to come out eventually. This is quite different. A few outlets including FOX news has reported that he was taunted along with other Muslim soldiers and there is a possiblity of proof coming out in the next few days. So hardly the same thing shy.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
shawn
November 7, 2009 - 20:24 ET by MrShyThe guy was a POS Muslim who, in a premeditated, planned plot, cleaned out his apartment in the days preceding, packed his camouflage cargo pant pockets with 20-round magazines, double-fisted himself with guns, and proceeded to calmly and methodically kill every single soldier he could in the mess hall at Fort Hood.
Where's your own independent- and critical- thinking brain to sort this one out? Just curious.
Sad that you have to come on here and even mildly throw out the "maybe he was taunted" crap.
Shy
November 7, 2009 - 20:30 ET by shawn228I'm sorry this is so hard for you to understand, but perhaps I will explain slowly for you.
I believe this man is a disgrace, and I would not wish anyone to be paralyzed, but I believe this piece of filth will live with pain as well.
Okay did that answer your question? I sure hope so. Also since this thread was about tauting I thought it might okay for me to stick the topic of the thread. Sad Indeed.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Shawn
November 7, 2009 - 21:13 ET by acumenI'm sticking with bad hair day - just as weak of an excuse (which I think is the true topic of this thread).
Do you have any thing to add to the conversation acumen?
November 7, 2009 - 21:20 ET by shawn228So far they are just questions and taunting and accusations. You don't post very often, but when you do, they are pretty good. I wonder what is with you tonight? Cranky becauase of the Obama health bill? Must be it, caus tonight its just jiberish.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Nah Shawn
November 7, 2009 - 21:36 ET by acumenI'm blaming it on Mike Bates. He taunted me by this post.
I haven't been commenting lately because dear leader Won makes me work twice as hard for less pay. Then takes considerably more of my gross earnings to pay for really, really necessary things --like salaries of consultants for start-up prostitution rings and educational expenses for homicidal cultists.
Have a better tomorrow.
Shy, yes and did the KILLING IN 4 minutes.
November 7, 2009 - 20:41 ET by upcountrywaterWhile that paralyzed fwk, gets to stare at the ceiling..
AHHHH Looking forward to pee bags and supposories ..
Let it be known world wide,THAT he the big moslem man was stopped by a WOMAN, yes A WOMAN....
State controlled health care ! music video.( opens a a new window
Shy
November 7, 2009 - 20:09 ET by acumenMaybe the point was to taunt other commenters that are getting damn sick and tired of extremist nutjobs killing innocents in the name of their god and the apologists that bend over backwards to excuse their behavior. Nah, couldn't be that.
acumen
November 7, 2009 - 20:11 ET by MrShyI'm not dealing with any b-s on this one. None.
He's dishing his brand out. He'll be called on it.
It do get old Shy
November 7, 2009 - 21:10 ET by acumenIt do get old Shy...
Shawn
November 7, 2009 - 20:13 ET by Candance MooreI know what you're saying, but I disagree somewhat. Everyone gets taunted and picked on at times. The Columbine boys blamed their problems on taunting. So did the West Memphis Three.
Taunting Muslims over religion is an outrage, but what about everyone else? If a goth kid goes crazy because he got picked on, should we make a big deal out of that? What about short kids? Fat people? Ugly people? Girls who are good at math?
What about a Republican who gets teased by snobby liberals at work? What about a Mormon who gets called a creepy polygamist right here on NB? I've had jobs in the past where coworkers told me "you're a white girl, you wouldn't get it" as they sat around laughing among themselves. I've sat on city buses surrounded by angry liberals discussing how stupid Christians are.
People are jerks. It happens. Either we ban everyone from taunting anyone else, or we accept it as a part of life. I'm tired of playing this game where some citizens can't be taunted but others can.
As for pilgrims who came here to escape persecution, they were legally being punished by their government and denied basic opportunities. They *didn't* leave because some random jerk hurt their feelings.
And aside from that, if this guy was against the war and went on a rampage screaming Allah Akbar, it sounds like that was going to happen with or without any teasing.
Not trying to argue, but this is something I feel very strongly about.
Candance
November 7, 2009 - 20:26 ET by shawn228This is our military, the best the brightest and best in the world. Sorry but a political blog or the workplace. that does not compare to the standand our armed forces.
There should be no room for racism or discimination for religion at work. Now if there is proof they are an extremist and want to blow someone up or even a hunch, they should act and act swiftly, none of this PC crap.
However if you are soldier and you are put your life on the line for your country but you have a Karan and pray to Allah, that should be sacred. No one is saying anyone has to pray with him, just don't make fun of him, just like you would not want him to make fun of you for wearing a cross around your neck.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
soldiers aren't human?
November 7, 2009 - 20:33 ET by Candance MooreI've met a lot of soldiers in my life. I've lived with former soldiers. I've been on military bases and attended military parties. I know all about them being the bravest people in the world, but they're still normal people who like to joke around.
Thanks for telling me that soldiers are better than me and when they get picked on it's somehow a bigger crime.
Thanks for telling me that soldiers are better than me and when
November 7, 2009 - 20:41 ET by shawn228"Thanks for telling me that soldiers are better than me and when they get picked on it's somehow a bigger crime"
Come on candance, that was not the main thing I said. Regardless if you are in the military or not, religion should be sacred.
I would say exactly the same thing if the peron that did it was Christian and was sick of the immorality of this world and went on a shooting spree.
Christians should not get mocked in the military, it is who they are, it is a part of them and they should be able to pray whenever they feel like it, and I feel the same should apply to Muslims,
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
~Shawn
November 7, 2009 - 20:50 ET by choselife3xChristians should not get mocked in the military, it is who they are,
it is a part of them and they should be able to pray whenever they feel
like it, and I feel the same should apply to Muslims,
I'd agree with you if Muslims didn't go on shooting sprees screaming "Allahu Akbar". When Christians start flying planes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people in the name of their God, then you can conflate the two religions without us busting your chops about it.
Islam is a violent religion of hate and murder.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I have to jump in here and
November 7, 2009 - 21:12 ET by Radical1979I have to jump in here and remind Shawn that recently Larry David had a show in which a picture of Jesus was urinated on. Many of us were outraged and appalled. However this kind of thing has been going on for decades with art featuring a crucifix in urine etc. As hateful as this is, no one has gone on a shooting spree because Christianity doesn't condone it. Apparanlty Islam does.
Radical1979
November 7, 2009 - 21:27 ET by shawn228Sorry but that is totally different, you can't compare the two. One is on TV, you don't have to watch it. If you are subjected to it day after day is something totally different.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Shawn, I was going through
November 7, 2009 - 21:35 ET by Radical1979Shawn, I was going through the arguments that you had posted.
Come on candance, that was not the main thing I said. Regardless if you are in the military or not, religion should be sacred.
I would say exactly the same thing if the peron that did it was
Christian and was sick of the immorality of this world and went on a
shooting spree.
I'm saying that Christians are also made fun of. There is no evidence that this guy was personally teased on a daily or even regular basis, and that if he was teased it's been posted here that the military takes that very seriously. So I just don't get your argument.
Radical
November 7, 2009 - 21:44 ET by shawn228I'm not sure the confusion. You referenced a Larry David scene and I explained that a Larry David scene and something you have to endure every day is different. So I hope you understand, if you don't we can go over it again :-)
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
I think we're agreeing to
November 7, 2009 - 21:52 ET by Radical1979I think we're agreeing to disagree because I'm saying he wasn't tormented on a daily basis, at least I haven't seen proof of it. And if the argument is that Muslims aren't treated well as a whole, well, we can all make that argument on our own behalf. No excuse for the shooting in my book.
~Military rules
November 7, 2009 - 22:03 ET by choselife3xWould never have allowed him to be tormented on a daily basis. If he had been there were ways to deal with it.
This is just an excuse by liberals to try to whitewash the cold-blooded murder of innocents by a Muslim fascist. Again.
Makes me sick, I'm outta here y'all.
Good to see you, Rad. Catch you later.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Rad79
November 7, 2009 - 21:44 ET by MrShyShawn felt it appropriate to come on here and pull a "Do you still beat your wife?"
~Shawn
November 7, 2009 - 21:36 ET by choselife3xChristians in Islamic countries are jailed, whipped, and executed.
Amid political turmoil, Iranian Christian converts face execution
They wish they were just called names. None of them go berserk and kill innocent Muslims.
None.
On June 3
2008, a newly converted Christian couple was arrested by police for
holding Bible studies with Muslims in their home and attending a house
church. Security police forces tortured them and threatened to put
their 4-year-old daughter in an institution after arresting them for
holding Bible studies and attending a house church.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Yes I know that Chose
November 7, 2009 - 21:40 ET by shawn228But the thing is, this is not a Islamic country. This is the United States of America. Land of the free, home of the Brave. Our Ethics and tolerence of others is what makes our country the great melting pot it is.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
~Exactly, shawn
November 7, 2009 - 21:58 ET by choselife3xWe do tolerate them, they don't tolerate us. They murder us because we aren't Muslim. And count themselves virtuous for doing so.
If you think I'm saying we should treat them the way they treat us, you aren't reading my posts. I'm saying that you can't act like being called names occasionally is so awful, when the people you're feeling bad for are murdering other people for their religious beliefs.
No one shot him, no one threatened him, he was promoted, his school was payed for with our tax money, nothing was asked of him that wasn't asked of other soldiers, he wasn't drafted into the military, he wasn't forced to keep signing back up, no one would have ever hurt him.
He killed 13 innocent people who never did anything to him, including a pregnant woman. And he did it while shouting "God is greater". As in "My God is greater than your God." There's some intolerance for ya.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Chooselife, hmm, wondering
November 7, 2009 - 21:42 ET by Radical1979Chooselife, hmm, wondering where Amnesty Internationl is in this? Are they publicizing this and trying to put a stop to it? I bet soon we'll see bumper stickers with "Save Christians" on them. /sarc
Rad79
November 7, 2009 - 21:44 ET by MrShyThat'll be the day :p
Shy I'm right here
November 7, 2009 - 21:54 ET by shawn228Can't you stop responding to other people commenting about me please? Yeash, I know its easy to avoid me when you know I am a much better debater than you, but please stop the sneakiness and try to come at me through a different person.
Shy why don't you pick a time and place for a debate of your choice that I disagree with, just you and me. You wouldn't want your your conservative friendst think you afraid of a liberal would you? A liberal has no facts, he can't back them up, he has no chance against a logic and reason guy like you. I'm going out for a few house, think about me. Might be fun. :-)
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
huh???
November 7, 2009 - 22:40 ET by MrShyRad79 wrote: I bet soon we'll see bumper stickers with "Save Christians" on them. /sarc
Mr. Shy responds: That'll be the day :p
Turns out, you're both writing AND reading deficient.
You're not a very sharp tool in the NB shed, shawn. Or pretty much any shed, for that matter. So, no, I think I would decline any one-on-one debate offer with you, but thanks just the same.
Not to mention, I have been responding to you directly. (Translated = I've been wasting my time.)
My goodness shy
November 8, 2009 - 00:30 ET by shawn228For heavens sake I meant this. Please stop with your Jedi Mind trick, no ones going to be buying any product either.
Yes that was personal and beneath me, but your just being childish because I am pointing out points in your character which is quite slimy.
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Honestly M I don't hate you, I want you to succeed and I think your talented. I just see sneaky act and it rubs me the wrong way. Simple if you are too afraid go one on one with me because you will eventually be forced to answer a question. Ok how bout I get rid of the tagline. Peace?
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Are you being taunted Shawn?
November 8, 2009 - 08:46 ET by JWFShawn228: The articles that I read said he and others was taunted
Are you gonna get loaded up for bear and walk into a server room now?
You did speculate that taunting somehow had a contributing factor.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
A challenge?
November 7, 2009 - 22:52 ET by general companyHey I like it, 10 paces turn and type. BTW Shawn are you suggesting this because you are intimidated by the rest of them/us?
Suggestion, pick a topic, both of you research it, then take it to the woodshed. I would love the read it.
Question is, what does the looser get?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Question is, what does the looser get?
November 8, 2009 - 03:48 ET by shawn228I'm not sure General Company. When it comes to shy most of the time, he rarely answers any of my questions when I ask him on other threads and he will just try to comment about me to another poster. That is why I would like to do a debate, just the two of us and see if he is capable of more than making stuff up.
Shy thinks he is dealing with Jer. Instead of asking for an apology or getting angry about it , I fight back. You will find that every time in a thread shy asked me a question I answered him. I have many many links of crickets when I ask him questions, So that is why I am hoping he is a better debater on a one on one setting than a group setting.
Oh well, I guess we won't find out. Think I will eat KFC tomorrow, their chicken will taste delicious.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Shy... Lol...that'll be
November 7, 2009 - 21:57 ET by bigtimerShy...
Lol...that'll be the day when pigs fly!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
I'm just wondering when
November 8, 2009 - 11:45 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnsonthis larry david piece of ... is going to soak a koran in pigs blood, then show it on TV.
He would be found beheaded within a week and the media would be telling everybody that he asked for it.
http://gjresult.com
that was your point
November 7, 2009 - 20:50 ET by Candance MooreThat's why you said the military is the best and brightest.
Now your argument is that religion is sacred and should not be taunted. What, the Columbine boys were somehow in less pain, less mental anguish, because their teasing was not a religious attack? Teasing doesn't hurt as much when it's a fat joke?
I'm not being facetious here. I'm serious.
Either we ban all forms of teasing, or not.
Candance Moore
November 7, 2009 - 20:56 ET by shawn228This is not a loaded question and think it is a pretty fair question as well. Should racial slurs be banned in the workplace. How about the military? Is it okay if white officer should be able to call black officer the N word. Yes or No?
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
the N word?
November 7, 2009 - 21:08 ET by Candance MooreMilitary, office, or school, it should make no difference. We are ALL CREATED EQUAL or we are not. NO ONE gets special treatment from persecution, not even soldiers.
But this isn't a conversation about racism. This is about teasing.
Where do we draw the line with taunting? The N word is a joke in one conversation, an insult is another. Depending on the color of the speaker's skin, some of us can say the N word and some of us can't. So what, it's cool for the N word to be thrown around an office or a barrack when it's all funny, but a white officer who hears the word all day, he's a bad person if he accidentally repeats it.
Say my sister is joking with me and calls me white trash. It's a harmless chuckle. But those same words out of someone else's mouth has a different meaning.
So we ban the word from being spoken at all, in any context, to eliminate misunderstandings, or we don't.
candance
November 7, 2009 - 21:22 ET by shawn228Thank you for your answer, I disagree with you on it, but you like your idea about iit would be the word should not be outlawed if it applied to everyone including whites.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
now what about other teasing?
November 7, 2009 - 21:31 ET by Candance MooreShould it be illegal to make fun of someone's accent? What about their choice to be a virgin?
Why is some teasing worse than another if it all affects the victim in the exact same way?
Point taken candance
November 7, 2009 - 21:38 ET by shawn228My response to that would be, it depends on the severity of the situation. If someone says the N word in a song thats okay but if someone says it to someone like a no good, SOB N word.
Ok candance, here is one. Would it be okay If an Muslim put this on a Christian mans auto as a joke?
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
sounds good shawn
November 7, 2009 - 21:44 ET by Candance MoorePeople with dark toned skin have special permission to say certain words that I am forbidden from saying.
Sounds like equality to me.
As far as a Pentagram, depends. If they spray paint or scratch it, that's damaging property and obviously a crime. If they draw it on a piece of paper and stick it under the windshield wiper, no big deal. I'm willing to tolerate someone drawing Pentegrams if it means I get to keep my free speech.
It's funny you should mention Satanic symbols, because I've had so-called Christians accuse me of being Satanic because I'm Pentecostal. I said whatever and moved on. It didn't drive me to screaming "God is great" on a shooting spree.
Excellent post Candance
November 7, 2009 - 22:08 ET by shawn228Very good points. I understand your point about it being fair for everybody, but If a saw a Pentagram on my windshied I would freak and feel violated. We agree to disagree than, simple as that.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
~If he did call him that
November 7, 2009 - 21:12 ET by choselife3xIt would probably be one of the nicer things that he'd been called since he joined the military.
Haven't you ever seen Full Metal Jacket?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Teasing is IRRELEVANT to this discussion.
November 7, 2009 - 22:22 ET by TailgunnerI reject the idea that we should consider for one second the idea that 'teasing' justifies shooting pregnant women in the back.
I don't care if Hasan was beaten up on a regular basis. Nothing... not 'compassion disorder', not 'pre-PTSD', not 'avoiding service in Afghanistan' justifies shooting forty-plus innocent people while screaming 'Allahu Akbar'!
Hasan is a piece of human debris who shouldn't even be considered part of the human race anymore.
I hope they put Dick Cheney in charge of his interrogation and waterboard him until it runs out his ears.
WHY is the MSM making excuses for this POS? Why are they so concerned with his feelings?
Nothing justifies this act of homegrown Islamic JIHAD.
Nothing.
As GUN CONTROL has nothing to do with GUNS, so HEALTH CONTROL has nothing to do with HEALTH.
Tyranny is rarely felt save by those who OPPOSE it. (unknown)
TailGunner
November 7, 2009 - 22:24 ET by shawn228Agee one hundred percent. If I said or anyway implied it was okay, I apologize profusely
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
The Gunner & shawn228---
November 8, 2009 - 00:27 ET by matthewdeanshawn228:
I have observed many discussions, and knowledge imparting, thought provoking, knockdown dragout verbal duels between you and others on this site.
I do not recollect ever siding with you.
I do remember thinking on occasion how much I disagreed with a particular statement of yours, and also that on some occasions a singular turn of phrase struck me as asinine relative the real world.
Or, to be fair, relative the world I live in.
At 22:22 ET, Tailgunner entered a post. In said post, the Gunner stated pretty much all that needs be said about the subject of this thread, IMO.
Your two sentence reply to the Gunner, at 22:24 ET, tells me all that I need to know about you, shawn228.
In the midst of strong feelings flying, you took a moment, and showed a lot of class.
I really respect that.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
mathewdean
November 8, 2009 - 02:46 ET by shawn228Thank you so much for the kind words. I do not think you and I have talked before so welcome to NB if you are new.
mathew I want you to know there are some posters on this sight that want to offer thought provoking debate. There are others here, who's sole goal is to change to subject and ruin a thread with flaming pile ons and borderline stalking.
edited for spelling.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
shawn~~
November 7, 2009 - 20:35 ET by BKeyserHave you seen this?
~Shawn
November 7, 2009 - 20:44 ET by choselife3xBeing a soldier is not the same as working in an office. American soldiers are fighting fanatics who are trying to kill them in between prayers to Allah to help them kill American soldiers.
Considering that they are putting their lives on the line every day while never knowing if their fellow soldier with the Koran is going to turn on them, I'd give them a h*ll of a lot of latitude in this situation.
Any Muslim who truly loves this country and it's freedoms should accept the fact that other people are free to hurt their tender little feelings. If they're going to try to act like victims, they can go back to Iran or Saudi Arabia holding a Bible, and find out what a victim is.
We don't kill or imprison or whip them for their religion here like they do Christians in their native countries, so they can thank Allah they live in America and STHU.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
http://themessengerd...
Chose
November 7, 2009 - 21:08 ET by shawn228I gotta tell you. something, I want you to know how much I love my adopted country.
I have been wanting to live here my whole life and got my citizenship bout 5 years ago. It was a dream come true, I have been a fan of this country ever since the day I came home after school and was watching cartoons. During the Superfriends, the cartoon clicked immediately to Ronald Reagan, he told us we are not going to be pushed around and sent in planes to Bomb Lybia.
You see chose when I was researching this country, I found out about its history and thing it contributet to society. I always knew that the US would always be a place where your religion or race is protected at all times.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
~Shawn
November 7, 2009 - 21:09 ET by choselife3xYour religion is protected FROM the government, not BY the government.
Free speech, Shawnee.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Enabling minds want to know...
November 7, 2009 - 19:30 ET by acumenWas it a bad hair day?
IT WAS AN ACT OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM!!!! PERIOD!!!
November 7, 2009 - 21:45 ET by TailgunnerThe MSM is deliberately covering up for this murdering wannabe jihadist.
It's absolutely disgusting how they're doing everything possible to avoid the truth.
Bias no more. The MSM is a bunch of corrupt lying SOB's.
They have no credibility left at all.
As GUN CONTROL has nothing to do with GUNS, so HEALTH CONTROL has nothing to do with HEALTH.
Tyranny is rarely felt save by those who OPPOSE it. (unknown)
Some stuff in the media is not a conspiracy
November 7, 2009 - 22:11 ET by nwahsSome stuff in the media is just dumb, not a conspiracy. Its like the idiot on the Jay Leno show that answers "BBC" to the question "What is the English Channel?"
I have the feeling Nguyen is just dumb and raised on television.
I think religion was just the handy tool available, but I see no difference between this guy and the mall shooter. I think he felt the act was going to elevate him from what he felt a meaningless existence, like the Omaha mall shooter, like the Columbine shooters. I think he felt the act was going to connect him to a larger purpose. His problem was a lack of spirituality, not religious fanaticism.The problem with all this news coverage is it confirms the notion of going out famous. Now its an option for people feeling meaningless and want to off themselves. They've seen dozens of others make news for a week by doing it.
I don't know how to deal with it, but just as I think the news is a tool of terrorists, balloon hoaxes, skyscraper climbers, and bridge jumpers, I think its the tool of these types of people. I think these people have decided to end what they feel a meaningless existence and the media is a lure to do it in a big way.
nwahs have you seen or read
November 7, 2009 - 22:27 ET by Radical1979nwahs have you seen or read the coverage of this guy? Religion was a big part of his life, he was giving away Korans, and making sure the language was appropriate to the reciever. He was blogging about suicide bombers. In short, his religion gave him meaning and told him to do this. You're sticking your head in the sand if you don't recognize the role Islam played in this attack.
"You're sticking your head
November 8, 2009 - 02:10 ET by ckc1227"You're sticking your head in the sand if you don't recognize the role Islam played in this attack."
Well, at least it's not in his ass for a change.
'Mad' muslim Major attended same mosk as 9/11 hijackers
November 8, 2009 - 05:56 ET by Jack BauerIn an unprecedented act of what used to be called investigative reporting (remember that Times/Post) the UK Telegraph reports that the "mad" Major muslim murderer attended the same mosk as TWO of 9/11 mass murderers. AT THE SAME TIME.
Meanwhile, authorities and liberal media still have NO IDEA why he did what he did, but are sure it had nothing to do with the religion of submission.
Shawn has been taken to the woodshed.
November 8, 2009 - 20:50 ET by JWFhttp://newsbusters.org/forums/woodshed/one-where-vet-takes-shawn228-woodshed-taunts-him-without-mercy-34130
Now pinhead free
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Yikes, I escaped a bullet
November 11, 2009 - 18:29 ET by shawn228Yikes, I escaped a bullet :-0
Must have been bed wetting as a child...
November 8, 2009 - 11:46 ET by ThalpyMust have been bed wetting as a child. I can see no other reason for this jihadist to do such a thing. Betty Nguyen and her editors need to make a career change.
I'm asking you general company
November 13, 2009 - 09:40 ET by shawn228When did I ever say the shooter was from the right? You did accuse me of that right?
I answered your questions, what questions did I not answer?
Well Shawn
November 13, 2009 - 09:47 ET by general companyI did NOT accuse you, I asked questions to clarify you position. I had no sinister motive other then wondering why you said:
You said all serial killingss are all liberals fault right, can you prove the killer is a Liberal?
I thought, right or wrong, that you were implying since he wasnt from the left, he must had been from the right. I personally think, he could care less about America's political spectrum.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Ok General Company
November 13, 2009 - 09:52 ET by shawn228So we are good then? Whew, glad we can finally end this on a good note, and unless Willis responds to me, I can finally put this thread behind me. Have a good day GC.
Why'd this thread end?
November 19, 2009 - 13:43 ET by Mike BatesJust when it was getting good. :)
Well Mike
November 19, 2009 - 21:06 ET by shawn228Please stop taunting Acumen, you hurt his feelings :-)
Hurt feelings
November 20, 2009 - 10:36 ET by Mike BatesI wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Well, most folks', anyway.