Are Men as Dumb as the Media Say We Are?

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By Matthew Sheffield | September 6, 2007 - 16:56 ET

Cartoon of popular depictions of men in a devolutionary fashionIn today's media, anti-male sexism is the rule far more than anti-female sexism. Whether it's calling men "idiots," creating smart mom/stupid dad TV shows, publishing books with titles like "Are Men Necessary," our culture is full of what some scholars are calling the "WAW effect," short for Women are Wonderful. These days, it's tough to catch a break if you're an unapologetic male.

What's interesting about the situation is that it's not really that removed from the way things used to be in Western society in which men were the preferred sex. In a fascinating address provocatively titled "Is There Anything Good About Men?" Florida State University professor Roy Baumeister discusses how we've moved from male superiority to male inferiority as well as the reasons behind that shift (h/t Helen Smith):

I said that today most people hold more favorable stereotypes of women than men. It was not always thus. Up until about the 1960s, psychology (like society) tended to see men as the norm and women as the slightly inferior version. During the 1970s, there was a brief period of saying there were no real differences, just stereotypes. Only since about 1980 has the dominant view been that women are better and men are the inferior version.

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The surprising thing to me is that it took little more than a decade to go from one view to its opposite, that is, from thinking men are better than women to thinking women are better than men. How is this possible?

I'm sure you're expecting me to talk about Larry Summers at some point, so let's get it over with! You recall, he was the president of Harvard. As summarized in The Economist, "Mr Summers infuriated the feminist establishment by wondering out loud whether the prejudice alone could explain the shortage of women at the top of science." After initially saying, it's possible that maybe there aren't as many women physics professors at Harvard because there aren't as many women as men with that high innate ability, just one possible explanation among others, he had to apologize, retract, promise huge sums of money, and not long afterward he resigned.

What was his crime? Nobody accused him of actually discriminating against women. His misdeed was to think thoughts that are not allowed to be thought, namely that there might be more men with high ability. The only permissible explanation for the lack of top women scientists is patriarchy - that men are conspiring to keep women down. It can't be ability. Actually, there is some evidence that men on average are a little better at math, but let's assume Summers was talking about general intelligence. People can point to plenty of data that the average IQ of adult men is about the same as the average for women. So to suggest that men are smarter than women is wrong. No wonder some women were offended.

But that's not what he said. He said there were more men at the top levels of ability. That could still be true despite the average being the same - if there are also more men at the bottom of the distribution, more really stupid men than women. During the controversy about his remarks, I didn't see anybody raise this question, but the data are there, indeed abundant, and they are indisputable. There are more males than females with really low IQs. Indeed, the pattern with mental retardation is the same as with genius, namely that as you go from mild to medium to extreme, the preponderance of males gets bigger.

All those retarded boys are not the handiwork of patriarchy. Men are not conspiring together to make each other's sons mentally retarded.

Almost certainly, it is something biological and genetic. And my guess is that the greater proportion of men at both extremes of the IQ distribution is part of the same pattern. Nature rolls the dice with men more than women. Men go to extremes more than women. It's true not just with IQ but also with other things, even height: The male distribution of height is flatter, with more really tall and really short men.

Again, there is a reason for this, to which I shall return.

For now, the point is that it explains how we can have opposite stereotypes. Men go to extremes more than women. Stereotypes are sustained by confirmation bias. Want to think men are better than women? Then look at the top, the heroes, the inventors, the philanthropists, and so on. Want to think women are better than men? Then look at the bottom, the criminals, the junkies, the losers.

In an important sense, men really are better AND worse than women.

I don't endorse all of it by any means but it's interesting to finally hear an academic voice challenging the dominant thinking on this issue.

Update 17:55. John Tierney has some additional thoughts centered around Baumeister's contention that sex disparity also exists when it comes to everyone's ancestry. Women are twice as likely to reproduce as men on average.

Philosophy, et cetera focuses on how Baumeister is using biology to help understand sociology.

—Matthew Sheffield is Editor of NewsBusters.

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The Modern Female in Directing Policy

Few people realize the first world war.......no not the one in 1914, bu the real first one in the 7 years war aka French and Indian war which spread around the globe was caused by women.

There was a French whore ruling France, an old bag in Austria and a Russian slut ruling there and when Frederick the Great in public called them tramps they all got ticked and attacked Prussia........to which Frederick got his Great by smashing all their armies as Wolfe did here against Montecalm.

The Feminization of policy such as the Carrie Nation movement causes horrendous destruction. Liberals were feeding and arming terrorist Indians which were causing rapine and the male counterpart in the US military was sent in to destroy what liberals instigated.

You can find the same scenarios in World War II in the feminization of policy which "let the world understand Hitler" until he got so big that which should have ended in a little war in 1937 became a world war in 1941.

The same is true with Somalia, Kosovo and now Iraq. This brooding of nations letting the natives bake the cake is feminist in nature in trying to deal with a problem child by loving them to morality. Patton in Germany and MacArthur in Japan had no love in their nation moulding of those peoples. They simply told the SS and the Japanese royalty that they either stopped the murder going on or they would be hung. No cuddling feel good building. Just the promise of a very male dominant death to those who do not behave.

The entire destruction of the United States culture the past century which we as a people are now suffering through is all feminine. The aborticide of children now burdening us with women with scarred wombs dumping high cost preemies to the dumping of cash into black communities destroying those families are all the "don't make Nancy feel bad she is a prego tart and Jamaal feel bad because he didn't stay in school for education" policies which reward screw ups and penalize the male law system of everyone being forced to be moral and productive for the good of society.

Those are the facts and America is about to find out in the next few years how bad this girly policy is going to get with high food prices and as Lincoln said, "Too many pigs for the tits" when war breaks out and America will really be over extended.

Feminist policy always destroys a nation by making excuses while male policy always builds a nation by implementing positive direction and responsibility.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

So right.

So right, Lame Cherry. Ad to these the feminization of that huge American "success story"--our educational system.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Does anyone else think

Does anyone else think Marge looks kinda hot in that red dress?

Or is it just me?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM,Do you have orange

MM,

Do you have orange skin and purple hair? If so, then there's nothing wrong with you. If not, then I'm concerned... :) 

Does brown skin and a red

Does brown skin and a red cape count?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Are you sure you want to

Are you sure you want to share all of this? Oh. You mean Mighty Mouse. I thought you were getting kinky at home, or something... :) 

 

It's much better than

It's much better than posting a real pic of myself and ruin the "mystique" :-()

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Hey Matt! put Marge back!!!

Hey Matt! put Marge back!!! (plz) :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

"The Mystique of Mighty

"The Mystique of Mighty Mouth" - it has sort of a ring to it. I post no pictures of myself as I am merciful to others... :) 

I am merciful to others...

Chris do you think you could convince Free Stinker to be of like mind?

(just kidding free, you're adorable) :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Good post Matthew. I am

Good post Matthew. I am going to announce my retirement to my wife tonight.

Nortonalec

The old schtick of the dumb

The old schtick of the dumb spouse vs. the smart spouse as dumb wife and smart husband has been reversed by political correctness. I guess men are going to have to turn into a bunch of whining protesters if we want to get rid of the "dingaling clueless husband" on television. I think it says a lot about men bearing up that we haven't already...

 

It has been absolutely

It has been absolutely despicable what has happened in our society to men...

The leftists, msm, and the NOW group and their ilk are to blame as far as I am concerned...I am including trial lawyers, new ridiculous laws and endless class action lawsuits...that a slap across the face would of taken care of. 

In the long run it hurts us women.

Btw...I do not mean all of us... I mean as a whole.

Talk about going against nature and creating more problems for all...

We are living it now in our society.

Unfortunately. 

BT, They portray some

BT,

They portray some husbands on tv shows and commercials as being so stupid, as to appear mentally retarded. It's really been so overdone, it's not funny... 

 

 

They do it on all the

They do it on all the shows, movies and commercials...

I scream at the despicable commercials sometimes...

being a woman and all....

I raised my son different than what they are force fed...including schools ect.

Thank goodness.

The men on these commercials

The men on these commercials are such stupid clowns, it makes you wonder how they could possibly have a job that pays enough money for them to buy the freakin' product being advertised.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Well now Chris... They

Well now Chris...

They may be laughing all the way to the bank.

I call that smart.

LOL..

Oh, I'm sure the actors

Oh, I'm sure the actors are. Actually when you think about it, the actors are probably about as dumb as the characters they play. 

 

Like the one cell phone commercial

Where the dad says to the kids, "Listen to your Mom, kids....stay in school!"  I have to ask, what data do marketers see that bolsters this kind of mentality?  As a woman, I detest this kind of marketing!  Or the Best Buy commercial where the husband knocks fists with the salesman with a cast on his arm from performing DYI projects?  Ugh!  I am so turned off by this kind of advertising.  Are there any women who agree with me?

bt, commercial

bt, commercial question...

Do the commercials that push mens sexual enhancement drugs bother you Women as much as they bother me? 

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Ct... YEP

Ct...

YEP

I get really PO'd when I

I get really PO'd when I watch a family friendly show on TV with my granddaughter and suddenly these commercials pop-up. The morality in this country is sickening. IMHO. 

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Ct... Way past

Ct...

Way past sickening.

It really has been sad watching the decline too.

I find them

I find them embarrassing. "Viva Viagra" makes me absolutely cringe... 

 

I hate the (BIG) happy Bob

I hate the (BIG) happy Bob commercials. 

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Arghhhh. That guy is just

Arghhhh. That guy is just creepy. 

 

...Very very creepy...

...Very very creepy...

Yeah, we're getting a

Yeah, we're getting a little OT, but "cringe-inducing" is the word that comes to mind. Who the heck wants to explain to a kid what ED is, and what Viagra is for?

The other commercial that drives me right around the bend and is in even worse taste, (at least in the Viagra ads, they make an attempt at subtlety) in my opinion is the Pepto-Bismol one where they do a sort of "Macarena" type of dance for the symptoms, ending with grabbing their behinds when they say "diarrhea." That is positively disgusting, and I don't know what moron thought that up and what advertising board thought it was a "cool" idea??????

The downhill slide is on greased skids....

No class, all a$$

One word.....

Ewwwwwwwwwww!

(I appreciate the "extended" E and Z on the TV commercial 'packaging' (oops, sorry).  Real subtle, there.)

I prefer the shows that

I prefer the shows that have men do what a men should do...

Keep their country (and family) safe! 

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CT, Wouldn't that

CT, Wouldn't that leave only the recruiting commercials for the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines? I can't think of any others. 

 

chris...  Touche. Get

chris...

 Touche.

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All the Dirty Harry movies

All the Dirty Harry movies are acceptable in my house.

"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps

Eh - by now, they'd have

Eh - by now, they'd have broken Harry in political sensitivity classes... 

Chris Norman

Blasphemny !

spoilers below:

Come on, he went after the last one (serial killer)with his heart nitro in hand - opposite the gigantic 44 Magnum!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309377/trailers-screenplay-E16368-10-2

Then you have the gal boxer - and after he treats her as a joke and then a gutsy person, and always a girl, she DIES in the end, by his hand if I recall. 

 Not exactly a tree huggin' styler yet...

Like I said - blasphemny!

 

Dagwood Bumstead...

...he started it...the dip...

 Actually, this is part of the male domination scheme....  If we're so dumb, we can not be held accountable for anything....

As Bill Cosby said, "It takes great thinking and planning to keep from working...only person as intelligent as we (men/fathers) could fake such stupidity"

Male stereotypes

  • Never let a woman tell you how to be a man.
  • Never let a TV show tell you how to be a man.
  • Never let another man tell you how to be a man.
  • If you are a man, be yourself. The rest will take care of itself.

According to the

According to the commericals, we are that dumb.  I call them the ADWGC's -- Another Dumb White Guy Commercial; although I have noticed asians and african americans are beginning to be put into the mix.  We are always made to look stupid, dumb, lose at some task/sport etc.  I hope the marketers know that some of us do pay attention to their antics---and quite honestly are very tired of them. 

Come, now. Not all males are

Come, now. Not all males are portrayed as stupid and incompetent in the movies and on tv. Only white males are.

chess... EXACTLY! I was

chess...

EXACTLY!

I was going to go back and edit a post if I had the time in between getting dinner ready saying just that...

I really meant to.

So....I am very glad you did!

My husband and have commented on that exact point numerous times now over the years.

It is infuriating. 

I guess if they're going to

I guess if they're going to politcally correct by showing only men as being stupid, they're going to be poltically correct all the way, by showing only white men as being stupid. 

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

you mean you are smart

you mean you are smart enough to cook dinner?  dang, shur wishes i wuz. ha  :)

edit: 

oops, sorry, didn't see your last sentence bigtimer!  "My husband and..." 

my wife and i are the same as you and yours---constantly shaking our heads at this crapola!  

true, true mostly

true, true mostly

Come, now. Not all males are

Come, now. Not all males are portrayed as stupid and incompetent in the movies and on tv. Only white males are.

sick, I commented above

sick,

I commented above that it makes me wonder how men that stupid can afford the products they're supposed to be buying. Know what I mean? 

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

yup, no doubt.

yup, no doubt.

  I'm old enough that I

  I'm old enough that I can remember when women were happy with their lives.  Now they usually can only tell you that they are happy with their careers.  Ain't the same thing.

Is anyone else getting a

Is anyone else getting first a blank page, then a "Page has expired" after they post a comment? And what's with all these double posts? Matthew? Anyone?

Chris

I am too.  If you refresh...it reposts.  Dreaded double.

When you get the white page...just go back to the address line & go back to NB home page...your comment will have posted.

Glad you asked...I thought it was just me.  I have to update my IE...but have been too lazy to do it.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hi Blonde, Yeah, that's

Hi Blonde,

Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I replied to BT's double posted comment, then I got a message that the comment I was replying to didn't exist. I thought I was going nuts, then I went back and saw that the second of the double post was gone. However, I may still be nuts. :)

 

Chris, Gremlins.  It's

Chris,

Gremlins.  It's bound to happen.  Yesterday Matt said he'd fixed some stuff that was caused by a bug in IE7 or somesuch.  As is usual....it's probably the law of unintended consequences.

So (I can't believe I'm going to even type this) patience is the key!

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hey, I think it's fixed!

Hey, I think it's fixed!

Should be fixed

Minor little PHP niggle after I tweaked the NB theme a bit.

I knew it had to be your

I knew it had to be your fault this time Matthew!

LOL...

You are a techno-god. :)

You are a techno-god. :)

I knew I was right about

I knew I was right about the "unintended consequences" thing.

Thanks for the repair, Matt.  Those doubles are maddening.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Yes Chris... Plus it is

Yes Chris...

Plus it is doubling and tripling posts on my and obviously others end too...

I'm out of here for awhile...

check back later...got some things to take care of.

Sure hope it is fixed by then.

LOL

May be Leon's/hater's

May be Leon's/hater's revenge ...lol...

Leon's ghost in the

Leon's ghost in the machine? :)

In traditional society, the

In traditional society, the father is the head of the house.  I strongly suspect, that as men have been removed from that role, mothers have lost respect as well.  In previous times, if a child showed disrespect to the mother, it was the father who would restore it when the mother could not. "You don't talk to your mother like that!"  And then the corporal punishment followed.

There were men who abused the role as "head" that gave that system a bad rap. 

The head was supposed to lead the family in love and sacrifice his needs for theirs if necessary, not rule as a tyrant.  That required self discipline on the man's part, not immediate gratification.

Typical Liberal philosophy

Typical liberal philosophy states that if you can find a bad example of a system you don't like, use it as a reason to not follow said system. (namely traditional values/morals).

The number one reason I hear from college students, or younger people in general, for allowing homosexuals to marry is that the divorce rate among heteros is 50% or greater.  

Liberalism is a philosophy based on following exceptions to gernerally held moral principles.  

Take abortion.  Why should abortion be legal?  #1 reason is because they will do it anyway and must make it "safe".

After all, will every person against abortion adopt the babies had by those who "don't want them".

Erased duplicate post. 

Erased duplicate post.  The screen went blank after first attempt to post so I resubmitted.

There are smart dads out

There are smart dads out there in TV land, you know.

Uh, Balboa, despite your

Uh, Balboa, despite your best (and usual) effort, a few "smart" dads (?) don't exactly dilute the hundreds of dumb male characters out there written for both shows and commercials. Not to mention a few hundred more we're subjected to on the radio, "Duh, honey, can you remove the fork I've jammed into my eye?" 

 

This is obviously a

This is obviously a backlash from the years of women being seen as nothing more than decoration, a nice garnish for a man. 

I knew you were going to

I knew you were going to bring that up. So, it's payback time, huh? For how many years?  How enlightened.

 

Chris

It's all balderdash.

But, unfortunately true in the media....what I find surprising here is that none of you guys has mentioned "dumb WHITE men".  More lib media lies.

If Hillary is the smartest human in the world...I'll be happy to stick with the dumb white guys.

It's really a sad commentary on the times that we're even having this conversation, actually. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde,You know, as a

Blonde,

You know, as a man, I'm not even all that ticked off by the depiction of men on television -  I'm a big boy. The dumb vs. smart spouse is as old as drama. What depresses me is that political correctness is driving this trend to make men look  stupid. Political correctness has permeated our society so much, that we can't even have an honest discussion of the problems we face, both domestically and internationally, because someone may be offended. It's distorted everything it touches. It's driving public policy now - as in the whacked out immigration bill - the bill designed not to offend illegal immigrants. I don't when it will stop, either. To stop it, we may have to offend someone.

Chris

See my post, to Bal..."Qu'elle crap".

Well, I am mostly offended by everything I see on TV, which is why I have kind of stopped watching (with the exception of my Gators and certain cooking shows!).  P.C., stupidity & venality rules on the idiot box. 

I could hardly care less whom I offend...particularly not foreigners.  If they don't like it....don't come here.   

But you evil white guys....you better watch it (kidding!).  Double down bloody hell to all of the PC lovers.

BTW...I like the Discovery Channel too...except when the show is about Global Idiocy.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I saw it. :). I channel

I saw it. :). I channel surf so fast, I can't watch tv with others in the room. I'll sample and reject 99% of the shows on. The only way I can sit still is when I read. I read a lot and I read fast - about a book a night . Not that I'm highbrow. I read mostly mysteries and adventure thrillers. Gets kind of expensive, but B&N and Borders love me. That's why I have made numerous posts here regarding liberal themes creeping into non-political fiction books. I just finished an otherwise decent mystery where the writer gratuitously has the main character express her disdain for "tax cuts for the rich while the poor suffer for it". I can't get anyone else worked up about this trend though. Oh, well...

 

Gee Chris

Before I got this new crazy job of mine....I used to have about a fifty dollar a week habit at the bookstore.  And now that I think about it, I miss it.

But my job has me so wrapped, that it's just easier to come here and interact with some normal people.  Kick the trolls to de-stress a bit. 

So thanks for that reminder.  I need to get back to reading.  I usually do about 75/25....75% crap (technotrash or other silly thriller kind of stuff) and about 25% serious reading. 

Perhaps I should reverse that....then again, maybe not.  I sometimes suspect I come off as a snob just because I absolutely devour facts.  Hmmm... 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I must confess that I

I must confess that I stopped most of my serious reading when I got out of college, except for conservative magazines. I don't even suscribe to magazines any longer - I just buy 'em if a story interests me. I'll still read an occasional biography, but sometimes, I get so stressed at work, I just want to go home and let my swollen brain shrink back to it's normal size. Reading serious works is just too much work for the poor distressed thing. I have to take an occasional break from reading - especially after buying a couple of turkeys in a row. But, my membership card at B&N has come in handy.

You guys should watch Mad

You guys should watch Mad Men. Great stuff, beautifully shot. 

I do, occasionally. But, I

I do, occasionally. But, I figure it will be on for only one season before the majority of the cast succumbs to lung cancer...

Lol. I saw a behind the

Lol. I saw a behind the scenes feature where the lead  said someone counted that he smoked something like 70 cigarettes in the pilot episode. 

Supposedly their herbal cigarettes. 

Well, if they are

Well, if they're herbal, the set must smell like the sidewalk out in front of old Tower Records...

Reading

Chris,

especially after buying a couple of turkeys in a row

I do the same thing with a book as I do if I find myself watching an idiot movie...give it up.  Walk out, if you will.

I bought Anne Coulter's "Godless".  I got to about page seven and just gave it up. It just didn't interest me.  Yes, the hardback was expensive....but you know what...it would have cost alot more to slog through it...in terms of my time. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I'll write to an author if

I'll write to an author (if they give an e-mail address), usually to thank them for providing good entertainment. Surprisingly, they usually graciously respond. I correspond, off and on, with a couple of them. However, once, at the risk of coming off like Kathy Bates in Misery, I wrote an author of a favorites series, to tell him I didn't think the direction he was taking his main character was a good one. He responded by saying "Oh, yee of little faith...". I wrote back that I had a lot of faith, that's why I was still spending $24.95 for his books - end of correspondence! :) 

Chris

That's pretty cool. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

To all, a good night...

To all, a good night...

Hey all

Please move further discussion on this topic to the open thread.

Blonde, Chris, etc...

The $$$ I used to spend on books dropped like a rock in a vacuum when I discovered the bookshelves at the Salvation Army store, Goodwill, St. Vincent de Paul, etc.  I really like the older books, and they're dirt cheap.  Five or six dollars buys a stack of books that lasts me a month.  I go to the city library now only to check out the "New Arrivals" shelf.  Just a tip, in case you're interested.  

Sunrise at sea; a breeze across the deck, salty spray tickles the face, the aroma of fresh coffee, stack gas, and haze-gray paint is in the air.  Another Navy day aboard ship as a Navy Chief...the perfect life! 

m4

Exactly.

Library books gross me out.  There's always someone else's leftover food, and such.

Used books are a much better choice.  People who own books take good care of them.  Which makes the second-hand choice far superior to the library route.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Really, Blonde?

I have no problem with library books.  When reading them, I simply put on my CSI gloves and an air filter mask.  I also wear a hair net.  I can honestly say I've never had a single episode of foreign substance intrusion to mar my reading enjoyment.....

I remember, though, that my ex-wife got all bent if someone else read her magazines first.  She liked that "new magazine smell."  

But, hey, I'm just a guy....what do I know?    ;^>

All

Apparently, RJ...you "get it" all.

I'm sorry if I sound like a perfect prig (not pig!)...but I cannot abide reading books that a hundred other people have read...and dropped their lunch or snacks, or whatever, on the pages.

Color me a snob, I don't really care...the library is  nice place....but I like to have my books clean, and clear, and not smudged up by others.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

}}---> Perfect Pig

For some reason I was always a little envious of Porky.  That Petunia was totally HOT!

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

No problem, Blonde, just teasin'

Everybody has their hangups.  As for me, it's when the green mold on the old pizza slice turns black.  Some guys will try to tell you that just adds another interesting nuance of flavor, but I absolutely refuse to eat that stuff!  After all, as Clint said, a man's gotta know his limitations.... 

And now, I'm off to bed....'night.

Not payback. It's the

Not payback. It's the natural result. If you can't have the woman be simple-minded, someone has to be instead. I'm not saying it's right; it's just what has happened.

If enough men complain, I'm sure the paradigm would change again. 

Come on, Bal!

Qu'elle crap.

It's a media induced hallucination.  All of it.

Unfortunately, certain, um, groups buy into it. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Wait a minute wait a minute Blonde!

Balboa was finally explaining to us why he is a simple minded dolt here.

( I say 9.7 - at least :-)

Abject Apologies Sporty

So sorry friend.

I didn't realize I was intruding upon logic of the world.  I was just trying to be helpful (okay...I'm channeling K. Couric, here.)

Abject apologies, Sporty, for interrupting.

I promise...it will never happen again. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

See above.

See above.

See above your "See above."

See above your "See above." :-) 

You know

With all this self-quoting going on here, I thought it was apt to mention that all comments are linkable. Just right-click their headline to get the link.

Hopefully that doesn't create a monster ;-)

Okay Matt

Please explain that as you'd do to a six year old.

I'm interested. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Procedure

To reference a comment from someone else, all you have to do is right-click on the comment headline ("Procedure" in my comment here) and choose Copy Link Location/Copy Shortcut.

From there, you can paste the URL in, NB's new software will automatically turn the address into a clickable link.

Thanks, Matt

A question....do you ever get tired of the tech deficient posters here...like me?

You have the patiences of Job.  As someone else said earlier...you are a techno-God. 

Much appreciated, too. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Actually

There are days when I want to just ban everyone ;-)

Kidding actually. Most of the time we don't have too many problems questions just naturally pop up. Thankfully most NB readers are smart.

I do find it amusing, however, that even though our new Contact form has explicit instructions not to use it to send messages to Jack Cafferty, ABC, Paul Krugman, etc. at least a few people a month will do exactly that.

Ah, the missing link. :)

Ah, the missing link. :)

}}---> I'll try it

Like this

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

It works

It's twue It's twue

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

As with other PC issues

As with other PC issues (homosexuality/marriage, certain racial issues, etc) it's the people who should know better that are allowing this to happen.

I don't know how many men I talk to who condescendly talk about their wives as "the boss".

They say "she calls the shots"  and other things.

These are the types of men who laugh at the white men as dopes characters and feel guilty about supposedly oppressing women.

CO of Fort Housewife

For all the comments I make about being the CO of Fort Housewife, I know who the REAL head of the household is. Even with The Man 14 time zones away, he is still in charge of our house. However, he trusts me to make decisions that he would approve of.

Back to the topic at hand, I laugh at Homer. I don't think all men are that dumb. But the prevalance of the stupid/fat husband and smart/hot wife on TV shows is exactly why our daughter watches precisely 1 VeggieTales DVD a day, and that is the extent of her TV time. Impressionable children (whose parents don't control what they watch on TV) are going to grow up thinking that men are dumb, and why should my daughter settle for that?

Nebraskans for War: Peace through Strength

I don't take it personally...

...but I do get tired seeing the commercials:

Kid:  Daaaad...you're putting mustard on your ice cream!
Wife:  Oh, honey, you're such an idiot...
Kid:  Yeah, dad, you're such a loser!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...those wacky men!

But I take comfort in knowing that the guys on Madison Avenue who write those commercials probably wear the skirt in the family...nudge nudge, wink wink...say no more...[/monty python]

I know we don't want to get into anecdotal one upsmanship here, but I can't resist citing two hilarious examples of when the little ladies do outrageous things:

1.  Indianapolis:  A 24 year-old mom was arrested recently for allowing her FIVE YEAR-OLD SON to drive the car because (as she told the police) she was "too drunk to drive."  But that's okay, she said, because "he's a good driver."  Her two children were removed from the home.  HAHAHAHAHAHA...

2.  In southwestern Ohio:  A mother of two toddlers, an assistant school principal, complete with the Mercedes Benz SUV and hyphenated last name, had been warned THREE TIMES PREVIOUSLY about leaving her two year-old daughter in the carseat while she ran and did quick errands.  One of these warnings spurred school officials to include, in a school bulletin, a specific warning to all parents in the school district to avoid this practice.  So a few days ago she was in a hurry to get to a morning staff meeting at school.  She strapped her two year-old in her carseat, stopped and got a load of donuts, backed up to the school front door and unloaded the