CNN’s Roland Martin: ‘Weak’ Conservative Men ‘Don't Like Strong Women’

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NewsBusters.org - Media Research Center[Update, 10:30 am EDT Thursday: Martin's title at CNN is now political analyst, not contributor, according to an e-mail we received earlier this morning. This must be a very recent development, as Mr. Martin was referred to as "contributor" as late as June 17.]

CNN contributor Roland Martin, when asked on Tuesday’s "Anderson Cooper 360" if Michelle Obama was being held to a different standard than other presidential candidates’ wives, unequivocally placed the blame on conservative men. "No, I think what you have is you've got some weak men on the conservative side who, frankly, don't like strong women. I mean, we saw the exact same thing take place for Hillary Clinton back in 1992.... All of a sudden... Michelle Obama is this angry black woman, when in fact, she's an accomplished woman, a mother, a wife. And so, they are trying to define her in that way, because they don't want to deal with the reality."

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Host Anderson Cooper, seemingly surprised by this answer, followed up: "Well, are you saying that race is playing a role in this? Because I mean, if she was white, would she be being described as angry?" Martin ignored the whole racial component in his answer, and instead focused on gender: "Well, I think if you examined 1992, they tried to say Hillary Clinton was too tough, she was too commanding, she was too domineering. And that's what you have here. And so, they're trying to frame her that way, but it's ridiculous. There are no facts to substantiate that."

"No facts to substantiate it"? I guess he forgot or didn't hear about the April 24 CBS Evening News story where a camera shot found the message, "Whatever Michelle Says Is The Message" written on a piece of paper at the Obama campaign’s headquarters.

Martin made the comments during a "Strategy Session" panel discussion 42 minutes into the 10 pm Eastern hour of the CNN program, which included Martin, CNN correspondent Candy Crowley, and The Huffington Post’s Hilary Rosen. At the end of the segment, the CNN contributor returned to the same line of argument: "...I do think a lot of this is not because of race. That you have people who are -- who are critics of strong women, who represent First Ladies, who aren't just a matter of standing up there and reading the typical script. When she talks about policy, this is a woman who is an executive for a hospital. She can discuss health care. Why not let her talk about it?"

There isn’t a conservative who would object to Michelle Obama talking about issues like health care. But if she says something that legitimately sets her up for criticism, she’s fair game, a tactic that even CNN’s John King thought was acceptable.

At another point in the discussion, Cooper asked Crowley about Mrs. Obama’s now-infamous "proud of my country" remark: "Candy, there have been some things that -- that Michelle Obama has said that have certainly raised people's eyebrows, raised a lot of criticism. Her comments about the first time she was really proud of being an American. I mean, that has been widely criticized."

Crowley replied, "It has, and in some ways, that was the kicking off point. Because last summer, Michelle Obama was seen as this huge asset to him.... And then she made that remark and it came to light, ‘I've never been -- for the first time in my adult life I'm proud of my country.’ And boy, that was sort of the beginning of people really going after her...."

The full transcript of the segment from Tuesday’s "Anderson Cooper 360:"

ANDERSON COOPER: Technically, First Ladies don't run for office, but they are definitely judged in the court of public opinion. Before the break, we told you about changes being made in Michelle Obama's campaign staff. [I] want to talk more about that in our 'Strategy Session.' Joining us again, CNN's Candy Crowley, Hilary Rosen of HuffingtonPost.com. Also along with us is CNN's Roland Martin. Roland, do you think Michelle Obama is being held to a different standard as other first ladies -- potential first ladies?

ROLAND MARTIN: No, I think what you have is you've got some weak men on the conservative side who, frankly, don't like strong women. I mean, we saw the exact same thing take place for Hillary Clinton back in 1992 where, all of a sudden, it's like, 'Oh, you know, she can't be so strong.' All of a sudden -- all of a sudden, Michelle Obama is this angry black woman, when in fact, she's an accomplished woman, a mother, a wife. And so, they are trying to define her in that way, because they don't want to deal with the reality. That's what you have going on here.

COOPER: Well, are you saying that race is playing a role in this? Because I mean, if she was white, would she be being described as angry?

MARTIN: Well, I think if you examined 1992, they tried to say Hillary Clinton was too tough, she was too commanding, she was too domineering. And that's what you have here. And so, they're trying to frame her that way, but it's ridiculous. There are no facts to substantiate that. And what you also have is Cindy McCain -- you've got two women who are standing by their husbands who are strong businesswoman, and you know, I would love to see them have a conversation to show America we can have a different view of First Lady than the typical just staying back and follow behind your man.

COOPER: Candy, there have been some things that -- that Michelle Obama has said that have certainly raised people's eyebrows, raised a lot of criticism. Her comments about the first time she was really proud of being an American. I mean, that has been widely criticized.

CANDY CROWLEY: It has, and in some ways, that was the kicking off point. Because last summer, Michelle Obama was seen as this huge asset to him. He called her ‘my rock.’ She was out there on the campaign in New Hampshire with her children. She -- everybody said, ‘Oh, she's so great, because she talked in terms of, you know, well, I had to do with the kids and then I came out here.’ Women really related to her. She seemed like the Hillary antidote for the Obama campaign. And then she made that remark and it came to light, ‘I've never been -- for the first time in my adult life I'm proud of my country.’ And boy, that was sort of the beginning of people really going after her. It also, by the way, tends to coincide with when Barack Obama became a real player and people saw him as possibly going to be the presumptive nominee.

COOPER: And I think she used the word "really," which people that support her say makes a difference in the statement.

CROWLEY: Right.

COOPER: I just want to add that in. But Hillary, I want to just read something from The New York Times tonight, which says, quote, 'Barack Obama often blurs identity lines. Much of his candidacy has seemed almost post-racial. Mrs. Obama's identity is less mutable.' Do you agree with that, and if so, why is that the case, or why does it matter?

HILARY ROSEN, HUFFINGTON POST: I'm actually not sure I do agree with it. I think that the philosophy that he has, she seems to espouse -- I think she's a terrific role model. She -- she obviously has been a great mom and made her kids a priority in this campaign. I think what's going on with Michelle Obama is what goes on with most political spouses, which is you have an identity. You're strong and your husband or wife appreciates you for that identity. But when you get out in public, people don't really want to know about you. They really want the candidate to be out in front, and so your authenticity sort of gets beaten out of you. You know, the spontaneity has to go away, because in essence, you know, it is much more your job to be controlled and be in a very specific, supportive role, even more so than the candidate in some way, because you are supposed to, essentially, be the support role: seen, not heard. You know, keeping things together. Keeping people gently motivated. And I think that what's going on is that she has experienced her role as being the advocate, and I think that, as the general goes on, she's going to -- she's going to fade back into kind of a more supportive role.

MARTIN: Hey Anderson, you raised a great point when you talked about how they tried to say Obama is post-racial. But here's the reality: Obama is a biracial man with a white mother and a Kenyan father. Michelle Obama grew up on the South Side of Chicago -- two black parents, went to public schools, grew up with her brother, and so she comes from a different experience. And so she brings something different, and he brings something different. So you can't deny one's past, and I think that's what some folks want to do. She brings a different set of circumstances and history to the table than her husband.

COOPER: Is -- do people -- are people less comfortable with that, though? I mean, Roland, do you think people are not -- are just -- aren't as comfortable with her background or how she presents herself?

MARTIN: Anderson, I think America just -- if America is going to have to be used to the notion of there being a potential first African-American President, they're going to have to get used to the notion of there being an African-American First Lady. And so this is a matter of breaking down barriers. But I do think a lot of this is not because of race. That you have people who are -- who are critics of strong women, who represent First Ladies, who aren't just a matter of standing up there and reading the typical script. When she talks about policy, this is a woman who is an executive for a hospital. She can discuss health care. Why not let her talk about it?

COOPER: We're going to have to leave it here. Candy Crowley, Roland Martin, Hilary Rosen, interesting discussion. Thanks a lot for being with us.

—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Oh, what cliched

Oh, what cliched psycho-babbling bull crap. If Martin really believes this, which I doubt, then he's an absolute idiot. What in the hell is he doing on a so-called serious news show?

Yep

Sure is psycho-babble... I have worked for many a brilliant woman.

The news is 100% propaganda.

jhc

everyone is frackin sigmund freud these days

hey cnn when it comes to hillary I'm quite sure i have penis envy

when I was a bad kid they'd stick me in a burlap sack and beat me, summers in rangoon, pretty standard stuff really

This show should come with a

This show should come with a laugh track. Notice how liberals are using political correctness to take any and all discussion of the Obamas off the table.

Women in Burkas

Not wanted in photos with Hussein, please, step out of the picture. Thank you.

 

Women in Burkas

Not wanted in photos with Hussein, please, step out of the picture. Thank you.

 

why is it that a lib dem

why is it that a lib dem KNOWS for a fact what Conservitive man is like?

I LOVE strong, independent women, ....I married one!!!!!

being a bitch does not a strong women make.

 

 

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
 -Gerald Ford

I agree

I've known several liberal women that thought being a bitch made them a strong woman...

They didn't like it when I explained the difference to them.

we all know liberals have a

we all know liberals have a problem with strong conservative men - they "don't like us:)"

absolutely correct

that's why those same women are with some whimpy metrosexual losers... hahahaha...

Bingo bigpapa! "Never

Bingo bigpapa!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

As a conservative

As a conservative, I have never considered:

Strength = stupid liberal ideas spewed by stupid liberal angry women (or men - since it is difficult at times, to tell the difference).

Oh please Martin...it is

Oh please Martin...it is the opposite.

We all know it.

You have nothing but wussified leftist men who take their marching orders from over-bearing, bossy, leftist twits of women.

Get a life...after you ask your preacher of a wife if it is okay with her and all is forgiven...for whatever you did wrong for the day...if it is okay if you get a life... 

You leftist talking point wimp.

Sorry...I am just so sick of him.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

I think you need to talk to

I think you need to talk to your buddies. I posted on another thread and got replies from guys telling me how difficult it is to be a white man today. If that isn't whining, I don't know what is.

ROLAND MARTIN: No, I think

ROLAND MARTIN: No, I think what you have is you've got some weak men on the conservative side who, frankly, don't like strong women.

  hhmmm   well if she really is such a strong woman why are all these men coming to her defense?

  If you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch.

Hahaha...Excellent point

Hahaha...Excellent point MA!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

   Imagine the anguish we

   Imagine the anguish we are causing the dems and media.  In their PC world we have to be seen as barbarians.  We are publicly critisizing a female who is also a minority.   Her ascension to the White House will usher in a golden age return to Camalot and restore respect of our country from the people who matter the most, the European leftist elites.

I don't think Michelle asked

I don't think Michelle asked them to.

No one said she did. The

No one said she did. The question, was directed at her defenders: Why do they think she needs them to defend her, if they think she's such a strong woman?  Because she's too refined and polite to defend herself?

Oh, and by the way, why doesn't she defend herself?

Yea, I know, she does...in kissy-face interviews with Meredith Veiera et al.

Obama wants her to be free to speak, but free from criticism also.

He doesn't even defend what she says; he just criticizes others for "attacking" her; says she should be off-limits.

Then I repeat...if she wants to be off -limits, she needs to be off the podium. 

  I would like to see the

  I would like to see the dem's 'strong woman' do a debate with either Laura Ingraham or Ann Coulter.

Or...

...Cindy McCain for that matter...

mb... We're never going

mb...

We're never going to be that lucky...I think they will put her in an undisclosed location if she continues with her hate-filled rants (which she won't anymore)...especially right before before Nov.

Obama isn't going to get it both ways...no matter how hard he tries.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

I think you're right about

I think you're right about her being place in an undisclosed location, Bigtimer. I think Barry will make future appearances with a cardboard cutout of her or show her on a monitor -- with no sound!

I commented in another

I commented in another thread that with Obama, everything is a one-way street. He makes snide comments about others, then complains that they practice the "same old politics." When someone criticizes what his wife says, he says families should be off-limits; conveniently forgetting that he attacked Hillary Clinton over something that Bill said.

Barack, if families are off-limits, maybe they should be off- the- podium.

 

She opens her big America

She opens her big America hating mouth...she is going to be criticized.

The Obamakin Family has a lot to learn yet.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

This Bozo

This little puss of a man Roland Martin talking about what conservative men think of women?  Unbelieveable! Martin represents an equal puss of a man with him being in metrosexual Barack Obama's corner. Martin is part of the corrupt set politicians/pastors in Chicago that treat women like dirt (See youtube video of Martins good friend Fr. Pfleger discussing Hillary Clinton for details). Martin would be called Roland Wet His Pants if he ever ran into a real man, which he is in no real danger of have happen while he's at CNN. Christiane Amanpour is the closest one that qualifies.

Christiane Amanpour is the

Christiane Amanpour is the closest one that qualifies.

Johan..that was a classic... You hit the nail on the head with that one!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Funny thing is, Obama Mama

Funny thing is, Obama Mama basically said the same thing this morning on The View, minus the Conservative part. I guess Rollie added the Conservative part for flavor.

Hey Rollie and Michelle, here's an FYI: Strong woman or not, when you make stupid comments(and it won't be long now), you're going to get called on it. 

Perhaps............

............it's the notion of a co-presidency that folks like me don't find appealing in the Oval Office?

I honestly believe Mrs.

I honestly believe Mrs. Obama is a nothing but a bitch and THAT is why people don't like her.  I pray that these Obama's don't get into the White House and forever taint the  image of the Presidency.  I have a feeling that the Obama's would have even the most EXTREME-RIGHT-WING praying to have Clinton back.

Never heard of this bozo,

what has he ever done in his life?

You know, I was going to make a joke about my husband and son and weak conservative men, but I could not do it. I had mostly typed out, but it was such a lie for all they have accomplished in their lives it wasn't worth it.

He's black.  CNN feels it

He's black.  CNN feels it is safer to discuss the Obama's with a black reporter.  You know, because all us conservative white men are a bunch of racist jerks.  Oh, and we hate strong women and black men don't; hence all those wonderfull things they say in rap songs.

Boy, isn't that the truth!

Are you sure with such a strong discussion you want to be "mostlymoderate". LOL. You sure hit the nail on the head with the rap song comment. Those "songs" have to be the most sexist "songs" there are.

:-) lol

:-) lol

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some weak men on the conservative side who, frankly, don't like strong women.

Wrong. They don't like pointlessly negative, unpatriotic PEOPLE like Michelle Obama.

A couple thoughts

  1. Which party rejected Hillary as their candidate?
  2. Margaret Thatcher, Condi Rice ... where is the evidence that conservatives fear strong women? Is it just because we don't like Hillary? Well, apparently, the Democrats didn't much like her, either.

Earlier, on some other thread, someone made the insightful comment that whenever you disagree with liberals, they insist it's because you fear them. That way, they don't have to defend themselves against the actual details of the opposition - they can just wave off everything as fear mongering.

Martin exemplifies the point. Nobody fears Michelle Obama. Nobody cared about Michelle Obama until she implied that America was an embarrassment until her husband came along. We all know she was just caught letting her rhetoric run away with her, but instead of simply saying she was sorry, she had her husband and cronies attack anyone who dared criticize her.

Other Strong Women I Like

2.c.  Barbara Bush

2.d.  Nancy Reagan

2.e.  Lynne Cheney

2.f.  Ann Coulter

2.g.  Laura Ingram

2.h.  Women Astronauts, beginning with the Mercury 13

2.i.  Several women of my family (of which I am positive a couple could knock Mr. Martin on his can and make him cry like a girlyman),

and many, many more.

Do you like any strong women

Do you like any strong women that don't share your political views?

boa... What part

boa...

What part of leftist instead of  strong conservative women don't you get? 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

balboa, Martin said

balboa,

Martin said "...some weak men on the conservative side who, frankly, don't like strong women."

He didn't say "...some weak men on the conservative side who, frankly, don't like strong liberal women."

If he had, the stupidity of his comment would have been obvious - even to liberals.

Bal,

Seeing as liberals are by nature weak minded, easily led by the nose by the flavor of the moment, and slaves to their egos and desires, I would have say that strong women who don't share my political views are about as real as bigfoot. Rumors abound, but no concrete evidence put forward thus far.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Bal:Yes.  My mother, my

Bal:

Yes.  My mother, my sisters, an aunt, three neighbors including the one working for AP in France, and several peers, workmates and friends.

None of these women have carried the enormous chip on their shoulders,  ungrateful attitudes or entitlement expectations of Michelle Obama... oh, and some of them are black too.

RRAM Tough! 

Strat... Good points. My

Strat...

Good points. My Mom was the absolute strongest woman I have ever known. The stories I could tell would amaze most liberal woman.

 

"Abstain from McCain"

I pretty sure my mom had

I pretty sure my mom had harder times growing up than Michelle Obama.  My mom left home alone at age 15 to fend for herself.  It was the Depression/WWII and she survived off of good hard labor and a positive attitude.  At 80 years of age she still runs her own business and does all the house and garden work, albeit a bit slower and more painfully.

There is no one to me like my mother.

Bless your mother, Clear thinker. 

RRAM Tough! 

Thank you for your sensible

Thank you for your sensible response. 

Your welcome Bal.

Your welcome Bal.

Bal,

So then my response was not sensible? Can't you tell when someone is being facetious?

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

I didn't even mention your

I didn't even mention your response, did I?

Sheesh

You're no fun tonight.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

I for one

can respect them for their accomplishments but if they are the socialist ilk that are trying to ruin this country.

I cannot like them..

Balboa, you think Nancy

Balboa, you think Nancy Reagan shares the same political views as the rest of the people on that list?

"Always remember that you are unique.  Just like everybody else." --despair.com

Huh?

some liberal weak men do not like strong women

some liberal strong men do not like strong women

some liberal weak men do not like weak women

some liberal strong men do not like weak women

some liberal weak women do not like strong men

some liberal strong women do not like strong men

some liberal weak women do not like weak men

some liberal strong women do not like week men

some liberal weak men do not like strong men

some liberal strong men do not like strong men

some liberal weak men do not like weak men

some liberal strong men do not like weak men

some liberal weak women do not like strong women

some liberal strong women do not like strong women

some liberal weak women do not like weak women

some liberal strong women do not like week women

etc, etc,

What Roland Martin said is no different than saying all the above, substituting anything at all. Hell, I don't like yellow squash, but love green squash. I like salt, you don't. You like cheese on your burger, I don't.

And CNN actually pays this guy?

Roland Martin is wrong. Again.

Conservative men don't like strong women? Please. I could give you dozens of examples of strong women that conservatives love. The reason why conservatives don't like Michelle Obama is because she's an ungrateful person that keeps bashing America.

Along with her other

Along with her other numerous liberal afflictions, perhaps.

 

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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"

Does any one really think...

...that mail doesn't come to the "Barack" household addressed to: "Mr. Michelle Obama" ??

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Very funny...

...that was classic! Thanks for the laugh, MM.

Strong woman

Would a strong woman's husband demand that people not hold her responsible for her big mouth. Either MO is a very weak woman or BHO is a total pu**y. Actually she's no different than the loudmouths you see on the street corner with lots of backup, maybe more than a $5 one, but just like them anyway. 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

YES, Scrapiron! That is good

YES, Scrapiron! That is good stuff. MO is no different than the 5-dollar "loudmouths" (wink-wink) on the street corner. Bravo, sir. Bra...vo. I salute you.

"Weak" conservative men? What transparrent lunacy is this?

I am sorry Mr. Martin, but it is not conservative men who are falling all over each other and supporting the outright surrender of the U.S. in the GWOT.

It is effiminate, limp-wristed, girlie-man, cry-baby, nose-picking, booger-eating liberal bed-wetters.

Exhibit "A" is Sen. Harry Reid, quite possibly the weakest and most spineless male to ever serve in the Congress of the United States.

Hillary Clinton has a bigger pair than he ever will.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Roland Martin is Wrong

Beyond Obama's politics and his sleazy associations, I think the biggest problem conservative men have with Obama and his wife is that they prefer husbands who are more masculine than their wives. You will never convince me that Obama is NOT one of the more hen-pecked husbands in this country. Take a look at the wedding picture on the cover of the recently released issue of US Magazine. I see NOTHING but pain in his face.

Give me Elizabeth Dole, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, Mary Katharine Hamm, Elisabeth Hassleback, Cindy McCain, and too many other smart, sharp, and attractive conservative women--every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

What I don't like are angry, dopey, liberal women.  

Not that either BHO or his

Not that either BHO or his wife are masculine, really...

Nothing strong about the pair, whatsoever.

 

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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"

Hasselbeck? She couldn't do

Hasselbeck? She couldn't do Malkin or Ingraham's laundry.

boa... ROFL! I

boa...

ROFL!

I agree!

Uh-Oh!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Balboa, you just

Balboa, you just unwittingly made another key point.  Hasslebeck was chosen for the view because he was perceived as a weak, conservative woman.  Liberals do not want strong conservative women anywhere near them.  Hasslebeck was a doe-eyed hottie from Survivor who happened to be conservative.  Hasslebeck has turned the tables by becoming increasingly assertive, causing Rosie to quit in disgust.  Once Hasslebeck was no longer useful as a foil, Rosie couldn't take it.  The problem is, of course, that Hasslebeck is likable.

Liberals have a habit of choosing conservatives that fit their schemas and agendas.  Why did Tucker Carlson become a favorite on liberal cable news?  He looks like the liberal fantasy of a weak conservative male--obnoxious,bow-tie-wearing whimp.  Another foil.

bal,

LMAO!

Dayem, that was funny.

-Not to mention true, too.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Michelle's not that strong

If Michelle Obama was a strong woman, she'd stand by her controversial comments and make a case for them. Or, she'd admit that she messed up and apologize for them. Instead, we get the usual variation on that popular liberal debate tactic, "Shut up!" Strong women don't hide from debates they start.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Gosh, it's a good thing

Gosh, it's a good thing liberals were never harsh in their criticism toward Nancy Reagan for her strong headed-ness, otherwise, they'd kind of look like hypocrites right now.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

For the Dems, it's ALL about painting yourself as a victim

Hillary did it at the end of the Dem campaign (accusing other Dems of sexism).

For months, the Obamatons and surrogates in the media accused anyone who criticized Barry during the campaign of being "racist" (Bill and Hillary included). Obama doesn't win NH? The voters in NH are racists.

Any and all criticisms of Obama are characterized as "attacks".

If the "attacks" come from the big, bad Republicans, they're from "Karl Rove's playbook" and are "swiftboating" the "victim".

Bush says "appeasement" - Instant freakout - "He's attacking me" shouts Barry in a very commanding voice. :-)

Weak conservative men homie?

Well, even your savior Balack Osama was talking about all of the brothers leaving behind "shorties" with their "baby mama."

Last time I checked Dog, the brothers aren't conservative.  We conservatives take care of our children and family.  We normally have wives and children that see us as strong, responsible real men.

Like Vito Corleone said, "a man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."

I counter Mr. R-Dog that it is the irresponsible libs who are indeed weak.  We certainly know that they are cowards!

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Amen!

"Abstain from McCain"

DOG

 Whether they(odummas) win the election or not i betcha they get a dog, cause Moshell said they was.

(GRINS)  kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

Don't Like B*tches!

Roland, what MEN don't like are B*tches!  Doesn't matter what color either dude!

Of course all Liberal men love to be spanked by these feminazi's so go for it if you like it!

»→ Hey Roland

Seems there's a lot of weak liberal men who don't like women, period.

They're more likely to desert a woman

More likely to prefer other men

more likely to forget about their children.

But Roland, you know all this because you're a preacher and so is your wife.  Why not concentrate on the greater problems your own liberal ideology has created and quit trying to psychoanalyze mine.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

TRUE

TRUE

This Martin guy is an idiot,

This Martin guy is an idiot, but I'll weigh in anyway. Firstly, I find it interesting that he has the stones to criticize conservative (I'm reading "white") men and their supposed fear of strong women. Um, black guys don't have the best track record as far as sticking with ANY woman, especially a woman who is bearing his child.

But let's dig a little deeper here. What does a strong woman truly want in a man? Sensitivity or decisiveness? Metrosexuality or ruggedness? A total cream puff, or a guy who acts like a jerk sometimes (in small doses)? Someone who is constantly deconstructing his male identity, or a dude who is simply happy being a man? A guy who is going to agree with her all the time, or someone who strongly prefers being his own self?

 Martin is wrong by a

 Martin is wrong by a mile. Show me a conservative guy, and I can probably show you a strong woman, she will be standing right next to him. We don't mind a strong woman, just mean ones.

Anyone who doesn't think conservatives are strong people haven't spent much time with any. How about that poll a while back that suggested most liberals are seeing a shrink, and the one on honesty? The liberals despise strong people, just look at who they are ridiculing.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

   wasn't this the saem

 

 wasn't this the saem guy who said "idiot democrats" were to blame for problems with the DEM party.....so isn't it liky he was beating with in an inch of his life for saying that by the Dem machine and so now he has to say something so outragous like this.

 

 

 

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
 -Gerald Ford

You can remove your blindfold now!

By "weak conservative men" does he mean black men who over compensate by not raising their own children, pimp out their rides, and try to impress women with all style and zero substance? 

No Roland, it is you who have it backwards, a strong matron is the center of a conservative model. We treat our women with honor and respect. 

The Left must be getting

The Left must be getting pretty desperate.  Either that, or they haven't grown beyond their high school adolescent sexually-frustrated mentality.  There seems to be a campaign aimed at portraying Democrats as cool, hip, tuned-in, enlightened, inclusive, tolerant, and, of course, sexy. Republicans are portrayed as the opposite.  Utter stupidity.

"...weak men on the conservative side who, frankly, don't like strong women."

Perhaps we should join in this new approach to politics based upon cartoonish caricatures.

How's this for starters?  

"There are some effeminate men on the liberal side, who frankly, have been emasculated by feministas, and thus both harbor great resentment arising from penis-envy."

Is this what it has come to?

Michelle Obama...

...is a bitter, angry, race-baiting, America hating, Black Liberation Theology loving, tax-payer money taking, keep the middle-class on the plantation, condescending, mightier than thou, rabble rousing, military loathing, liberal democrat elite loving product of the government run public school systems.

She is more evil than Hillary could ever be, because of what we DON'T know about her.

How does she fit all that

How does she fit all that one her business card, I wonder?  ;-)

Aside from a few redundancies (IMO, "liberal democrat elite" covers a few of those by default) I can't see any room for improvement on your comment.

Yeah...

...I started seeing cross-eyed there at the end. :-); nice starting paragraph for her bio though.

No doubt.  Heck, I was

No doubt.  Heck, I was getting out of breath just from reading it.  And I wasn't even moving my lips.  I swear!  ;-)

Martin had pi**ed me off!!!

Martin, come on down to Texas and I'll give you a good old fashion butt whipin.  Since I'm a strong Christian woman, I'll do it with love. I am a strong conservative woman who raised 4 great kids, One of our daughters was in the military and served in the surge last year.  My husband loves that I'm a strong woman and I love him for being a strong man. Strong in body and mind.  The difference between conservative and liberal men is you are pu**y whipped and our husbands are not. We respect our men. AND conservative women are happy and strong while your women are bitter and sad. There have been several "polls" about whos happerier and its always been the conservatives.  put that up your pipe and smoke it.

Texy

"...liberal men is you are pu**y whipped and our husbands are not. We respect our men."

I couldn't have said it better (although I tried; see above).  Ahh, respect.  So important in a relationship.  Who would've known that it was two-sided?

lotr

I read your post above..........I agree with the feminization of the liberal man. they have to "go along or get along" with their "women". Too bad for them.

MOM

charlietexas's wife

Strong Woman or Angry Woman?

I don't have a problem with strong women (black, white or whatever), good for them.  I have a problem with angry people (not just women) who dislike our country and try to "change" it to a country controlled by the government.  Martin is a sycophant who is in love with the Obama's just like the rest of the MSM and its getting annoying!

Typical liberal spin

Pay no attention to what the person actually says and does, their "image" should be defined by our talking points only.

Americans will get their image of anyone from their speech and their actions. All the spin in the world will be seen for what it is by most.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Oh Please! Because

Oh Please! Because conservatives perfer a woman that is loyal to the country and flag and respectful of our military and belives in our Constitution, and dislike radical, separatist, disrespectful communist racists, we are weak? Get a grip dude. I dont like that woman because she is all of those things, not because of my weakness, but because of strength. Seems to me any patriotic man that likes her is the weak one. Because he cant find the sand to stand up to her. And that includes you, Roland.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

bassndude so eloquently

bassndude so eloquently says "conservatives perfer a woman that...dislike radical, separatist, disrespectful communist racists" you said.  One quick question. Are you talking about women that "perfer" "disrepectful communist racists" or women who prefer dispectful individuals, communists and racists?  If you mean the latter definition then your statement of "Save a SeAL, club a liberal" really makes you seem like a bit of an ass.

And what does patriotism have to do with any of this?  Most of you wouldn't know patriotism if it hit you in the forehead! 

anamerican...?? Gotta

anamerican...?? Gotta quesiton your name there. After you tried to convolute what I wrote, I must assume, either your IQ is not high enough to comprehend simple english, or, your not really anamerican. And I really could not care less what you think. Nor could I care less what most liberals think. Most of em have the brains of a poped balloon anyway. Neither Communism nor goverment financial benevolence for the populus are mentioned anywere in the Constitution.

Any one that would ask what patriotism has to do with an election of the leader of any nation, cant be to smart. As a matter of fact, that ranks up there with the most stupid questions of all time. And how have you demonstrated your patriotism in your life? What have you done for this country? Talk is cheap. Most of you and your kind do not know patriotism, do not understand it, have never practiced it and would not know how to react to it. And You dont even talk like you understand the meaning.

I suppose you dont like my by line. And I, for one, see that as a good thing.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I don't recall every saying

I don't recall every saying that communism and government financial benevolence are part of the constitution!  You must be confusing my comment with anothr.  My point is that as someone who claims to have a preference for women who dislike disrespectful individuals, you yourself spewing violent and hateful sayings such as "club a liberal" seem a bit hypocritical.  Perhaps our definitions of "disrespectful" are different.

You do not know me.  I am living abroad.  Every day I go out and represent our country.  I have never before encountered as much animosity towards our government as I have over the past 7 years.  So every day I get up and do my best not to give people a reason to dislike America any more than they already do.  What have you done to improve our image abroad?  My guess is that if you went out and talked to foreigners the way you're talking on this board (I'm hoping there's a reasonable person behind these posts, but you never know), then you shouldn't be surprised when people hate you.  I'm out here working to make sure those foreigners you have such low regard for, do not have a reason to hate Americans! 

As to not liking you, I've never met you, so I don't really know you do I?  Do you presume to know me based on my two postings?  

ana... You say you are

ana...

You say you are working abroad trying to convince others to like us here in the USA...are you working on the tax-payers dime?

I could give a rats rear less what our image is abroad.

They sure as hell never have a problem begging for our help when they need it..with the msm making sure we are guilted into it if we don't...which we always do anyway. 

The govt. should just stay out of it...capitalist always give the most aid when needed.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

There you go assuming

There you go assuming again.  Like I said, you don't know anything about me.  You should really stop assuming things.  But then I guess it's easier to just cling to assumtions and prejudices. 

 

ana... Typical

ana...

Typical leftist...I have seen your posts here...you are a leftist...period.

Btw...I didn't assume anything by what I posted in my thread to you...I answered to you regarding what you posted...which you never replied to.

Like I said...typical liberal..divert, deflect.

Where abroad do you work trying to convince others to like us here....Tiajuana?

I also want to throw this in...bass has been here a very long time...I LOVE HIS tag-line!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Thank you for the

Thank you for the compliments.  I believe if you look at some of my previous posts, you'll see I don't divert and deflect, unless you're just throwing those terms out there for anyone who doesn't regurgitate your views?

I like your tag line.  Totally the way I view the current administration!

anamericaninnihon

"Totally the way I view the current administration!"

Don't mean to butt in here, but I certainly hope you don't voice such opinions while abroad.  I've been to a lot of places, and there is no doubt anti-American sentiment out there.  A lot of that has to do with tourist arrogance.  I always try to assume a respectful tone when I'm in a foreign country, as I was taught to be a polite to your hosts when you are a guest.  But one big pet peeve of mine is to witness co-workers knock our President, head the executive branch authorizing their travel, abroad.  This, simply put, is cowardly.

Lotr I'm sure an unamerican does

Her way of getting people to like Americans more is trashing the Country and the Bush Admin. It's a bonding moment for her with the foreigners she so admires.

It reminds me of this bad movie I saw called "2 days in Paris" It was written and directed by a French Woman (Julie Deply) and it's basically about the cultural differences and the problems it can cause in a relationship with an American and a Parisian.

Anyway, there is one scene that is unintentionally key to their dislike of Americans (liberal or conservative). They show this group of Obnoxious American Tourists going around in a group and they are overweight, dressed not so great and a couple are sporting Bush T-shirts and they are carrying copies of "The Davinci Code". They are looking for the Louvre because they are on some Davinci Code tour.

The thing that was unintentionally funny about it was that you wouldn't normally see those two things together. Most Davinci Code lovers are liberals and I don't think any people who support the War go around the U.S. let alone foreign countries wearing Bush T-shirts. They added the shirt because they see American liberals the same way. There is no real difference to them. They assumed these bad tourists they see are conservatives when most likely they are liberals.

The things they don't like about Americans are in no way because of Bush. He's their latest excuse. They dislike everything about us and stereotype us just as we do them. For the most part it's just National pride and no one would be rude to the other in person.

American Liberals are so dying for their love, attention and acceptance, that they will trash their own country just to try and gain favor with them. Foreigners already accept us, they just trash us as a joke because they'll always think they are better just like normal Americans think America is better. Foreigners will always think their country and way of life is better no matter who is in charge here and no matter how much liberals try to imitate them. If liberals ever do imitate them successfully enough, then they'll be making fun of them for the fact that they can only imitate and have no identity of their own.

 

Dee

Pretty much agree with everything you said.  I'll comment that one of the reasons American liberals want to be liked so badly in foreign lands is liberals are typically affluent to afford the luxury of frequent travel abroad.  Heck, I want to be liked too, but not at the expense of being an American Uncle Tom.

"They show this group of Obnoxious American Tourists going around in a group and they are overweight, dressed not so great and a couple are sporting Bush T-shirts and they are carrying copies of "The Davinci Code". They are looking for the Louvre because they are on some Davinci Code tour."

Hillarious.  A wonderfully stereotypical portrait of Americans, viewed from the French POV (but, as with many stereotypes, there are elements of truth about it).  Are you saying this movie wasn't supposed to be funny?  It sounds right out of a South Park episode if you ask me.  And you are right: They don't care if these tourists are also carrying their Da Vinci Hoax books, as if to demonstrate their "enlightenment" -- to them, they are all idiots.

lotr - The movie was a comedy

but a bad one. There were some funny things and even the tourist thing was supposed to be funny. I agree that that part was. Even in the recent Davinci articles here they mention about tourist flocking to the "Davinci Tour" It is true and funny. What's unintentionally ironic in the film though is that these people would never be wearing a Bush T-shirt. They are by and large liberals.

It's also funny because in the film the American boyfriend gives the American tourists bum directions so as to get a quicker spot in the Cab line and they end up in one of the rioting areas. He runs into them again when they are much worse for the ware. The boyfriend is an American liberal and his Parisian girlfriend didn't agree with what he did.
The film unintentionally shows how rotten, mean and stupid American liberals are and how Parisians can't tell the difference between and American Liberal and American Conservative. Even thought they can't tell the difference and make fun of all of us, Parisians are not as nasty as American liberals.

"Parisians are not as nasty

"Parisians are not as nasty as American liberals"...and you're basing this on a movie?  In that case, your argument must be solid.

<sarcasm>

No I've been to Paris and know Parisians you goof

only a silly liberal would base things soly on a movie. Geeze. I do watch lots and lots of Parisian film and they are not nearly as anti-American as Hollywood or American liberals either

Thank you for a really

Thank you for a really reasonable reply.  I'm not much of a tourist.  I actually enjoy living and learning about foreign cultures, so I have learn the language and as best possible the customs of where I live.  I am not working for the US government, so when I express my frustration with our administration, I don't particularly see it as being cowardly. What I have to do is try to explain the not all Americans do support all of our governments policies.  I suppose this site is the wrong place to find Americans who oppose these policies, however many people do.  I even support a few of Bush's policies. 

'welcome

Yes, while I did assume you were working for the federal government, even if you aren't, your travel is nevertheless authorized by the executive branch.  If I recall correctly, every U.S. passport has a "cover letter" from the Secretary of State, a cabinet appointee who works at the pleasure of the President.  It is most certainly OK to "explain the not all Americans do support all of our governments policies."  But I witness outright Bush-bashing by American liberals with foreigners all the time.  As a conservative, I am in a huge minority where I work.  It's like gossip -- let's bash someone else, someone who's not even here to defend himself, and someone whom we've never even met, so that we feel better about ourselves.  It's a form of appeasement, and I refuse to participate in it.  It even happened to me recently (within the last month).  I was having a great time, that is until a foreigner learned we were American, brought up Bush, then my companions laid into him.  It was completely unnecessary.  I said " 'night fellas, see ya tomorrow."  I left disgusted.

lotr - I take it your companions laid into Bush

not the Foreigner right?

Correct.  My bad with the

Correct.  My bad with the English.  Incidentally, they (my companions) also used the opportunity to lay into McCain.  No wonder why the Europeans "prefer" Obama....

I would gladly talk to Bush

I would gladly talk to Bush and have him defend himself!  Problem is he won't face me.  Besides, why be all whiny.  He's not on the same level as Britney Spears, is he?  He's the President for crying out loud!  An appointed official who should be held accountable.  You think he automatically deserves my undying trust and support?  I don't think Republicans were thinking that way when they were trying to IMPEACH President Clinton for lying about an affair.  That was okay, but criticizing President Bush for misleading the American people is not?  Explain that one to me.  Oh right, we're at war.  How convenient.

He didn't mislead anyone any more than President Clinton

and many many other countries whose intelligence all said the same thing. Not one of our allies intelligence agencies concluded anything differently and neither did Russia's or China's. You are so full of bull.

Clinton committed perjury about his sex with an intern in a court case about sexual harassment. It was completely material to the case. People go to jail for lessor cases of perjury. Scooter Libby for example, forgot a conversation that was held many many months prior and ended up being charged with perjury for something that didn't end up even being a crime (the thing he didn't remember).

The real leaker was discovered and they still held him responsible for not remembering a conversation. I think it's a little easier to remember if you had sex with someone than to remember all the words in all your conversations. Please! You guys are so ridiculous

Actually, I feel totally

Actually, I feel totally justified now.  You have no problem criticizing Clinton, but if I'm criticizing Bush, I'm unpatriotic.  That is ridiculous.  What Clinton did is wrong, which is why they tried to impeach him.  I got the feeling it was just political maneuvering by the Republicans, but if Republicans felt it important to spend taxpayer money and their time to make sure we all knew Clinton had an affair and lied about it, okay.  Now when Bush IS misleading people (at great taxpayer cost, not to mention the human lives lost) it's no problem?  And I'm ridiculous?

Do you really believe Libby didn't remember that conversation?  Outing an undercover agent isn't a typical conversation, and I'd be scared of officals who conveniently forget that they did such a thing.

ana... Just out of

ana...

Just out of curiosity ...did you happen to watch the Scotty M. hearings today?

Btw...think Armitage.

Plus...Clinton was Impeached...just not convicted by the gutless whiz kids in the Senate.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

BT anunamerican gave away her hand

It's all about justification. She admits that her behavior is bad because you don't need to justify good behavior. Anyone can justify anything. Hitler justified what he did.

I don't know if you'll ever see this, but if you do, I was wondering if Armitage came up in the hearings. My local news showed clips but surprise surprise, if Armitage was mentioned, they didn't find it relevant to the story. I'm curious if he was. If Republicans didn't hammer McClelan on Armitage then they are complete idiots.

anamerican, as you said,

anamerican, as you said, you dont know anything about us, and you should really assuming things about us. But then again, what you said. Perhaps you have just been abroad so long, you have been brain washed into their way of thinking.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I am a liberal.  And I'm

I am a liberal.  And I'm proud of it!  There is nothing wrong with being a liberal.  Isn't it kind of funny that whenever someone leaves the country they are assumed to be or become liberals?  Must be something about expanding one's horizons that does that. Really interesting how that happens. 

You know, I've lived in some pretty conservative places, so don't think conservative ideals are new to me. Maybe you can tell me why living in those places didn't convert me to the conservative way of life.

  Isn't it kind of funny

  Isn't it kind of funny that whenever someone leaves the country they are assumed to be or become liberals?  Must be something about expanding one's horizons that does that.

 Ever notice that when immigrants from communist countries come to America they become conservatives, Really interesting how that happens.

Maybe you can tell me why living in those places didn't convert me to the conservative way of life.

You sure you want us to tell you why?

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

I actually don't know any

I actually don't know any communists, so I must say I can't say anything for or against your statement.  Looking back to my time in Germany however, I would agree that East Germans were much more "conservative" than West Germans.  I figured it was because communist countries are about suppression.  They aren't used to "liberal" ideals.  (Communism as a philosophy is considered very liberal, but if you know history and therefore the reality of communism in practice, you know that communists are more conservative than liberal - and I'm not talking conservative in the capitalist sense that you see conservatives as.  I mean it more in the sense of someone who adheres to traditional views) 

The government controlled everything for them, so independent thought wasn't encouraged.  Perhaps that has something to do with it. 

Communism and socialism have nothing to do with Conservatives

At all. Liberals are trying to adhere to "traditional views" of communism and socialism. There is nothing progressive about their ideas they are all ideas that have failed in the past.

Conservatives "traditional views" are the American Tradition of free market Capitalism, free expression of religion, and free speech and Democratic Elections. American liberals are Communist conservatives. They want to do away with capitalism, religion and free speech and don't care if Elections are tainted as long as they get their result. American Conservatives would be considered liberal in a Communist country.

Both liberals and conservatives would be considered liberal in a fascist one.

American Conservatives believe in the American way as the best way, not Communism, fascism, Socialism or any other failed way. The term liberal isn't really accurate for liberals. Democratic Socialists would probably be the most accurate even though most socialism usually leads to less Democracy and freedom.

Thank you for your run down

Thank you for your run down on political equivilants....

Out of curiousity, do you support a pure capitalist free market system?

anamerican, yes I do, and

anamerican, yes I do, and to answer your next question, no, I am not thrilled with the way the system works here now. To many hand outs and controls. I have spent a fair amount of time in other countries, myself. And one thing I always noticed about the people of Europe, Asia and Africa was that they all wanted to come here, to work. Not for the hand outs, not for goverment health care, but to work. The simple answer is they were all kept in their place in there home countries. Even Germany. It is very hard for one to escape their "class", even in Germany. They just want the chance to better themselves. That chance dosn't exist in most other places.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

you are welcome anunamerican

because your political equivalents were wacked out and made no sense.

Communists and socialists have no traditional American conservative values. Not one.

 

Enlighten me

I must be getting my definitions mixed up.  What exactly is an  "American conservative" by your definition and what are his/her values?  One post said that American conservatives support free market capitalism, freedom of religion, and freedom of speech.  What else defines your "American conservative"?

exactly right Bass. Even Ireland ,

which started to do much better after it instituted some market reforms and lowered taxes, still can't compare to the U.S.

I have a friend who moved here with his brother before Ireland started turning around it's dismal economy. He started his own small business and does very well. He has a large family there and continues to have to pay for all of them to travel here and he also still sends them money despite their dramatically improved economy.

Wow. I could'a had a V8.

If you seriously could not understand what bassndude stated, I would assume you are stateside in the SF Lounge and not the University overseas.

Have Stones Will Travel.

I read today that the muslim women dis't by the pro-Islam Obama camp "DEMAND an apology." Doesn't the koran forbid women speaking out in public, let alone having their picture taken? "Shut the hell up b*tch!" (some black guy in Atlanta)

Wrong again Rollie!

A Strong Conservative man simply doesn't like a race-baiting, feverishly angry, Marxist cum Stalinist woman with a perpetual case of penis-envy telling him that everything about his country Sucks (and always will) unless she can "Change" it!

"I would never consider making Cindy McCain a campaign issue, and if I saw people doing that - I would speak out against it. And the fact that I haven't seen that from John McCain I think is a deep disappointment." - Barack Obama

"Maybe Barack Obama should vote for John McCain if he's expecting another man to protect his wife." - Tammy Bruce, Wednesday, June 18, 2008, The O'Reilly Factor