Brokaw Goes Brazile: Uses 'Jesus a Community Organizer' To Bash Giuliani

Brokaw Goes Brazile: Uses 'Jesus a Community Organizer' To Bash Giuliani

By Mark Finkelstein (Bio | Archive)
September 14, 2008 - 17:52 ET

How offensive was Donna Brazile's line about Jesus being a community organizer and Pontius Pilate a governor, uttered to make an invidious comparison between Barack Obama and Sarah Palin? Enough that even ardent Obama-phile Chris Matthews rapped Dem congressman Steve Cohen's knuckles for repeating it on the House floor.

But, incredibly, on today's Meet the Press Tom Brokaw used Brazile's line to confront Rudy Giuliani over comments in his GOP convention speech about Obama's community organizing. Brokaw went so far as to display a button [screencap after jump] bearing the phrase. The MTP host might just as well have been wearing it.

TOM BROKAW: Senator Obama, who had an Ivy league education and could’ve gone to Wall Street, went back to Chicago, on the South Side. As you know, his supporters have defended him for working with poor families, many of whom lost their jobs when the Gary steel mills closed. In that mocking fashion, it seemed to a lot of people that you were belittling the role of a community organizer, and it led to this button -- it was addressed to Senator Palin, because she also talked about it -- “Jesus Christ was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.” In retrospect, do you think you had too much sport with his role as community organizer, Mr. Mayor?

Far from quoting the line to criticize its use, Brokaw wielded it as a cudgel against Giuliani. Ironically, it was Brokaw himself who recently called-out Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann for their excessive partisanship. Journalistic probity, like charity, begins at home.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.

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Funny....

September 14, 2008 - 17:57 ET by Prester John

...I thought Jesus was about SAVING people, not organizing them.

Organizing is what Communists, Socialists, and Nazis do.

Jesus

September 14, 2008 - 19:07 ET by joejm65

Does anyone know if this Jesus-Community organizer issue was discussed during any sermons today? I'm wondering if America's religious leaders have had anything to say about this. Just wondering.

socialism

September 14, 2008 - 19:12 ET by mbuel

Yeah we know what they are hawking, the trick is to get the rest of America to realize how dangerous it is and not vote for the guy.

Frankly if the dems and the media keep hawking this line it's going to get worse of Obama. The assumption of this line is obvious. That Obama is their Messiah and Paline is the person trying to crucify him!

ABSURD.

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

Obama the "Community Organizer" - Even worse than you thought

September 15, 2008 - 01:32 ET by Ten7s

Excerpt from http://obamology.blogspot.com/

"Community organizer" is more sinister than it seems

… in the world of Barack Obama ...

The seditious role of the community organiser was developed by an extreme left intellectual
called Saul Alinsky. He was a radical Chicago activist who, by the time he died in 1972, had had a profound influence on the highest levels of the Democratic party. Alinsky was a ‘transformational Marxist’ ... The revolution had to be carried out through stealth and deception. Its proponents had to cultivate an image of centrism and pragmatism...

His creed was set out in his book ‘Rules for Radicals’ – a book he dedicated to Lucifer, whom he called the ‘first radical’. It was Alinsky for whom ‘change’ was his mantra. And by ‘change’, he meant a Marxist revolution achieved by slow, incremental, Machiavellian means which turned society inside out... through systematic deception, winning the trust of the naively idealistic middle class, using the language of morality to conceal an agenda designed to destroy it...

Obama was trained by the Alinsky-founded
Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF) in Chicago and worked for an affiliate of the Gamaliel Foundation,... In fact, for several years Obama himself taught workshops on the Alinsky method…

According to Stanley Kurtz in National Review, ... Kurtz writes of Gamaliel, one of the least known yet
most influential national umbrella groups for church-based community organizers:

Gamaliel specializes in ideological stealth, and Obama, a master student of Gamaliel
strategy, shows disturbing signs of being a sub rosa radical himself. Obama's
legislative tactics, as well as his persistent professions of non-ideological
pragmatism, appear to be inspired by his radical mentors' most sophisticated
tactics. Not only has Obama studied, taught, and apparently absorbed stealth
techniques from radical groups like Gamaliel and ACORN, but in his position as
a board member of Chicago’s supposedly nonpartisan Woods Fund, he quietly
funneled money to his radical allies -- at the very moment he most needed their
support to boost his political career…

If anyone should doubt Obama’s debt to Saul Alinsky, they might ponder this encomium from no less an authority than Alinsky’s own son. In a letter to the Boston Globe, L. David Alinsky wrote of his father’s influence at the Democratic Convention:

All the elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their
situation and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd’s chanting
of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show
instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying
selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people.

Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community organizers is
showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method
of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on
board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy
for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well…

actually

September 15, 2008 - 08:24 ET by mbuel

I knew all that.

Hence I call him a socialist at BEST. He's probably a marxist like his new preacher Jim Wallis.

http://www.ibdeditor...

In the '80s, for example, Wallis and Wright rallied to the cause of the
communist regime in Nicaragua, and protested the U.S. arming of the
Contra rebels. Wallis, in fact, marshaled thousands of "Witnesses for
Peace" and joined them in Nicaragua, making it known they were willing
to take a bullet to stop the anti-communist insurgency.

Down with capitalism? This is the sort of "economic change" he was talking about on Letterman. This is NOT what I want, and I think not what a good majority of current Obama supporters want. They need to wake up.

Wallis put another radical professor, James Cone, on his Sojourners
editorial board. Cone is Wright's mentor and the father of black
liberation theology, a Marxist version of Christianity that worships a
white-hating black Jesus.

"Together," Cone said, "black religion and Marxist philosophy may show us a way to build a completely new society."

Wallis, who once regularly attended black liberation churches in his
hometown of Detroit, has no problem with that. He says his mission is
to "sojourn with others in different faith and traditions" toward a
common goal of "social justice."

There is NO WAY IN HELL, we can afford Obama for president. It wouldn't matter if McCain did pick liberal Lieberman (and thank god he didn't, he picked a true conservative).

We have to work to stop Obama the marxist.

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

didn't you see the new

September 15, 2008 - 08:35 ET by athoughtor2

didn't you see the new bumper stickers on the back of the limo's the liberals are driving, "jesus organizes"?

Jesus is just all right

September 15, 2008 - 11:47 ET by TruthMonger

Jesus is just all right (this week...:)

yes, libs occasionally even see Him as one of their "honorary useful idiots" from time to time

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

Organizers

September 15, 2008 - 08:56 ET by Sergeant ROCK

Don't forget the MSM. They're busy organizing propaganda for Obama - their candidate.

I guess I'm being redundant here.

PALIN/McCain 2008

What was Brokaw thinking?

September 14, 2008 - 18:04 ET by ThisnThat

What was Brokaw thinking? How could any sane person with a national audience in the millions make a statement like that and expect to retain a shred of credibility afterwards? This proves that the entire NBC organization is rotten through and through for this statement had to be approved by top mangement as a way to bash the Republicans.

And whatever in the world started this "community organizer is a primary qualification for president" business anyway? 30 years ago this would have been laughed to death. Not now, though -- I guess grasping at straws in "in" these days.

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I think Brokaw has lowered

September 14, 2008 - 18:30 ET by Gat New York

I think Brokaw has lowered his credibility down to Olbermann with that comment.

I think Rudy kept his cool and was equally shocked that Brokaw brought that up.

I believe that MSM who are in the pockets of Obama and his backers are simply taking direction and talking points.

Journalism has hit the abyss.

brokaw

September 14, 2008 - 19:16 ET by sawing batta

He may have stooped to Olbermann levels, but think of the adulation from his central park west sycophants.

I think

September 14, 2008 - 20:48 ET by DEVILDOCMOM

you have hit the point exactly sawing. I imagine they are high fiving whatever they drink these days over brokaw's going after Sarah Palin. The funny thing is, they don't fully realize what they are saying.

it was truly inspiring to

September 15, 2008 - 11:53 ET by TruthMonger

it was truly inspiring to see Brokaw draw upon his decades of impartial media experience and training to carefully and painstakingly articulate "community organizer" so lovingly it made me well up with tears...

and one day, hopefully, when a Republican community organizer tries to run for POTUS - we will be so priviledged to hear his exact opposite take on the ridiculous hilarity of such a notion...

i always like to collect the complete sets - just like NB!

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

Seems obvious

September 14, 2008 - 20:50 ET by general company

Seems obvious why msnbc demoted Oberdude and Chrissy Matt. Guess they wanted to let the "real pro's" handle the situation

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Credibility?

September 15, 2008 - 05:14 ET by Sergeant ROCK

When did he ever have any to start with?

PALIN/McCain 2008

and you can bet

September 14, 2008 - 19:22 ET by Cape Conservative

Tim Russert was spinning in his grave after this week's show!

NBC might just as well roll up the carpets - MTP is nothing, nada, zero (as my guy, Rudy likes to say ;-) without Russert. Tom Brokaw is losing whatever credibility he had with every one of these little outbursts.

BIAS??? MSM BIAS???? They can deny it until the cows come home, but one day, when their cameras are permanently in the off position and their doors are sealed tight, they will realize that the great unwashed masses weren't buying their lies! We are NOT stupid!!!!!

1 %

September 15, 2008 - 11:29 ET by Red Jeep

Only 1% of the country watches MTP.

check this out...

September 14, 2008 - 22:38 ET by kj.444

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/jginges2

I'm sorry to disagree with

September 14, 2008 - 18:13 ET by motherbelt

I'm sorry to disagree with all these newest "biblical scholars" like Brokaw et al, but Jesus was NOT a "community organizer."

He was NOT into any kind of civic activity! In fact, He refused to even get into an argument about taxes when someone tried to goad Him.

He was about teaching the Good News" which was that God loves us and
sent His Son to die for us so that we might have eternal life. When He did preach about helping others, it was always on a personal, not a community level.

This stupid statement by Brokaw just proves that the media will march in lockstep to whatever beat the Obama campaign is pounding out this week.

Brokaw's credibility is not in the shredder, it's in the dumpster.

mother

September 14, 2008 - 20:52 ET by DEVILDOCMOM

you are correct, as usual...never have I heard Jesus called a "community organizer" except by the ultra left wing during the last few days. If we are not careful, next ,who knows who they will compare michelle ma belle to...

You got that 100% right!

September 14, 2008 - 20:53 ET by RonC

Thanks for stating the obvious! It is funny beyond belief that leftists would attempt to class Obama with Jesus... but that blasphemy is exactly their goal. Poor bastards... but, they deserve their fate.

Right on, mb

September 14, 2008 - 21:53 ET by KC Mulville

Community organizers call for strikes when supermarkets raise prices. Community organizers call for marches when the local cop kicks the crap out of a local kid. Don't get me wrong, that's useful at times ... but if anyone thinks that's what Jesus did, they missed the whole point of Jesus. And the flip side is just as ridiculous: the model for governors is Pontius Pilate. Right.

Once again, the liberals hear another snarky slogan and think it's as deep as Philosophical Investigations. There's a difference between clever and wise. Any smartass teenager can be clever. Wisdom is another dimension entirely.

More of that interview

September 14, 2008 - 18:07 ET by Redrowan2000

Brokaw , also wearing his obama pin behind his lapel, went on to bash who else? Governor Palin. Rudy trumped him and kept the experience topic in the foreground. Barack is no longer running against John McCain, he's running against Sarah Palin. Good job Tommy.

"Don't let the bastards grind you down."

Red

And that is just how the

September 14, 2008 - 18:11 ET by motherbelt

And that is just how the McCain campaign likes it! Having to claim that their Presidential candidate is better than the other side's Vice-Presidential candidate is a bit pathetic.

I haven't chuckled this much since they were comparing Mrs. Clinton to the wives of the other candidates.

Grind you down

September 15, 2008 - 05:13 ET by Sergeant ROCK

Motorhead: Iron Fist?

PALIN/McCain 2008

According to John

September 14, 2008 - 18:16 ET by suburbanite

Pontius Pilate was only acceding to the wishes of the Sanhedrin - the Jewish Senate. Jesus said that Pilate’s authority came from God and the Sanhedrin was guilty of the greater sin (John 19:11). Et tu Barry.

Touche' Ronald Reagan,

September 14, 2008 - 19:16 ET by USA4freedom

Touche'

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

I normally wouldn't respond to this, but....

September 14, 2008 - 20:24 ET by Mr. Kafir

Since Jesus was a Jew, he knew full well the authority of the court:

The Great Sanhedrin dealt with religious and ritualistic Temple matters, criminal matters appertaining to the secular court, proceedings in connection with the discovery of a corpse, trials of adulterous wives, tithes, preparation of Torah Scrolls for the king and the Temple, drawing up the calendar and the solving of difficulties relating to ritual law.

And he knew full well the punishment the court could designate:

It was the final authority on Jewish law and any scholar who went against its decisions was put to death as a zaken mamre (rebellious elder).

But the issue that everyone forgets is that the Romans brought Jesus in front of the court, not the Jews since they lacked the authority to arrest anyone. Remember the Romans controlled Judea and Samaria.

The Sanhedrin judged accused lawbreakers, but could not initiate arrests. It required a minimum of two witnesses to convict a suspect. There were no attorneys. Instead, the accusing witness stated the offense in the presence of the accused and the accused could call witnesses on his own behalf. The court questioned the accused, the accusers and the defense witnesses.

"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bastard, 3/17/08

Jesus' arrest in the garden

September 14, 2008 - 21:26 ET by suburbanite

Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. John 18:1

Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him, And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year. Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people. John 18:12-14

Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. John 18:28

Judas and those arresting Jesus were under the direction of the Sanhedrin. The Jews bore the responsibility for handing over Jesus to Pilate for crucifixion.

But the whole point was that Pilate (Executive Branch - Governor) was not the one who was ultimately responsible for the Jesus' death. God endowed Pilate with authority, as He did with Nebuchadnezzar, to fulfill the Messianic prophecy. Jesus did not chastise Pilate. Instead, He chastised those responsible for handing Him to Pilate - the Sanhedrin (Legislative/Judicial Branch).

"Fight the good fight every moment, It's your only way" Triumph

Sorry, but I know Jewish law....

September 14, 2008 - 22:06 ET by Mr. Kafir

and like I said above, "The Sanhedrin judged accused lawbreakers, but could not initiate arrests." So this:

Judas and those arresting Jesus were under the direction of the Sanhedrin.

Is not correct. But I'm not gonna argue Christian theology since being a Jew, I'm not an expert on it. But I do know a thing or two about Jewish law. :-)

"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bastard, 3/17/08

Shalom

September 14, 2008 - 23:05 ET by suburbanite

I'm simply relating what's said in John's gospel.

We can agree to disagree.

Shavua Tov.

"Fight the good fight every moment
It's your only way" Triumph

Jesus said that Pilate’s

September 15, 2008 - 06:13 ET by motherbelt

Jesus said that Pilate’s authority came from God and the Sanhedrin was guilty of the greater sin

Difference in interpretation: I always read that as Jesus saying that Judas, who betrayed him, had the greater sin.

Never thought about it from your point of view.

Judas didn't "judge" Jesus

September 15, 2008 - 10:49 ET by suburbanite

I think the point that John was trying to make is that the ones who judged Jesus were guilty of the greater sin. Judas betrayed Jesus but he didn't judge Him. Pilate crucified Jesus but he was carrying out the will of those who judged Him.

This doesn't minimise Judas' and Pilate's guilt but it does condemn Jesus' judges.

"Fight the good fight every moment
It's your only way" Triumph

Jesus was NOT a "community organizer!"

September 14, 2008 - 18:18 ET by Indiana Joe

I'm getting tired of people denigrating Christ by trying to compare Obama to Him. Stop insulting my religion! Maybe it's time for a little CHRISTIAN "protest," ala the Danish cartoons. That worked pretty well, didn't it? Barely got out of the gate, those cartoons, huh? The only thing fascists respect is violence. Which says much about them and their motives, IMO.

Christ did not tell people that he would make sure they had a place to live. He told them to leave their lives and follow Him.

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." Not "it's up to Caesar to take care of you, and I'm going to make sure he does."

Christ told individuals to be charitable, he told no one to depend on the state to support them. Never. Did not happen. Famously, the Lord helps those who help themselves. Which probably explains liberals' disgust with His whole philosophy. Sure, they'll "wave the flag" of Jesus, but beyond that, they don't have much use for His Teachings.

What Jesus was about is so far from "community organizing" that only a brain-dead stoat (or Donna Brazile) would even consider a comparison. Oh, and Tom Brokaw now.

Giuliani should have handed him his head. Brokaw got off lucky.

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

Obama registered people to

September 14, 2008 - 18:31 ET by well99

Obama registered people to vote.I dont remember Jesus doing that?I must of missed that lesson.

yep

September 14, 2008 - 19:15 ET by mbuel

You are right on. I had this debate with one of the marxist sojourners last year. They are pompous enough to think that they can practice socialism the "right way".

(I'm serious)

It's not only are they denigrating Jesus to christians (which is REALLY stupid), they are messiahifying Obama, and turning Palin into the person that is crucifying their Messiah! MY GOD, do they really think this line is going to win them over voters?

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

and tonight, ABC

September 14, 2008 - 19:32 ET by Cape Conservative

thought it was very important to visit Sarah Palin's childhood church (you know, where some people might speak in tongues-let's make it real scary to our viewers) to interview her former pastor.

However, for some reason, ABC doesn't want to interview the former pastor of Barack Obama - you know, the one who preached hatred of whites and America as he sat in the pews for 20 ADULTHOOD years!

Wonder where Joe Biden spent his childhood Sundays...comeon, ABC, let's go interview Senator Biden's former pastor.

Wonder where Barack Obama spent his childhood Sundays - hmmm, since his momma was an atheist, I doubt he had a "childhood pastor" - so much for his "Kansas Values" he loves to talk about!

Obama is such an EMPTY SUIT and the media will never admit it! And...it will be the DEATH of media as we know it now. Which will NOT be a bad thing!

How about interviewing his current pastor?

September 14, 2008 - 23:26 ET by mbuel

Sure an interview with Wright would be entertaining, but more telling is that he is sitting in the pews of another anti-american faux preacher, that is following marxism and not christianity. The only difference between the anti-capitalist message Wright "preached" and the one Wallis "preaches", is the lack of Black Nationalism.

If people actually heard what this guy states they might wake up from their Obama loving stupor.

(hey one can always hope!)

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

Brokaw

September 14, 2008 - 19:31 ET by timrfrench61

This could be about the stupidest thing Brokaw has ever said. If I were him I would have wished that I had stayed retired.

Hopefully he is on the

September 14, 2008 - 19:35 ET by Cape Conservative

plane heading west as we post. He just might want to stay out at the ranch for a while - at least until the viewers can put his disgusting biased "reporting" exhibited today behind them.

Cape

September 14, 2008 - 20:55 ET by DEVILDOCMOM

don't you dare send him to the West. He is the East's and you are stuck with him. LOL

Oh DDM....We have been

September 14, 2008 - 21:42 ET by bigtimer

Oh DDM....

We have been stuck with this POS here in Mt. for years now, he had a lot to do with the defeat of Burns in our state during the '06 elections I think it was, heck he used the airwaves with his seniority that was past maddening, most people would not have paid attention unless he lived in their state and had an election for a Senator upcoming, he used he Abramoff Scandal almost daily on msnbc, along with the Firefighters Union, which I had a link to once, plus the had Thomma (sp) whose paper, McClatchey has about taken over at least least half of Montana's papers in the past...

Yeah he's in the NW along with Turner, half of Hollywood and a whole bunch of NE leftists with money...we've been in big trouble for years now with these critters, take too long to explain what all they have done to this state for well over a decade now...court rooms ought to give you a good example to stop progress of our own self dependency or wealth...including small businesses, communities thriving ect.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

You know bt,

September 15, 2008 - 22:57 ET by DEVILDOCMOM

I had forgotten that...I knew you were stuck wih turner and some of the other hollywood libs. Sorry...guess (of course) they already discovered the west and your beautiful part of it.

Unfortunately - Giuliani isn't really Christian informed...

September 14, 2008 - 21:15 ET by RonC

Yes, Brokjaw got off extremely lucky. It is too bad that a real Christian didn't answer his ludicrous question. He should have been told that to compare Christ with Obama was flat-out blasphemy in the eyes of all true Christians.

I saw this segemnt

September 14, 2008 - 18:24 ET by bigtimer

I saw this segment today...

Let me just put this as plain as I can.

Rudy was GREAT!

Brokaw was made a fool of...he is too arrogant to realize that...like most talking head leftists.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Glad to hear it, BT

September 14, 2008 - 19:37 ET by Cape Conservative

I didn't see the show this morning but I have been pleased as punch at how Rudy and Fred are really letting it all out lately! I sure hope they keep those two fellows busy!

Brokaw

September 14, 2008 - 20:25 ET by MaximusBraveheart

I saw this portion too when getting ready to go to Church. One thing I noticed is during the Dem interview first of Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, Brokaw pretty much accepted things he said and did not try to argue to present potential Republican rebuttals. Then Rudy comes on and he is providing a defense like a Democrat. I taped the rest; had to leave during Rudy. Liberal media insults Christians no doubt. DID YOU SEE SAT-Night-LIVE? VERY, very insulting to home school kids. Makes the home-school mom look like a whack-job and the kids dumb as rocks with very stupid beliefs. Hard to imagine them getting away with this. Need to make fun of muslim kids and see the response... Not even accurate is what is so irritating too. The smartest kid our company ever hired was a mormon home schoool kid who graduated from college at like 18 yrs. old.

I wonder how the other 49

September 14, 2008 - 18:26 ET by BuffNBone

I wonder how the other 49 (or 56) governors feel about the comparison to Pilate?

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

I thought Christ organised

September 14, 2008 - 18:27 ET by i b squidly

I thought Christ organised communion.

Not sorry I missed the exchange. Meet the Press lost me as well as Russert.

First, kill all the lawyers.

-Wlm Shakespear

The difference is ...

September 14, 2008 - 18:31 ET by zachlind

The only difference between Tom Brokaw and Keith Olbermann is, is … now that I think about it, none. There may have been a time when there was a difference but no more. Those days are gone.

Obermann has won. The

September 14, 2008 - 18:38 ET by ThisnThat

Obermann has won. The cloning experiment was a success.

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I grew up watching Brokaw

September 14, 2008 - 18:48 ET by bigtimer

I grew up watching Brokaw politically...we are about the same age...he is no different than Olbie in his views, he was always smart enough not to express them, or he wouldn't have achieved the status he has, just keep mum, mask your words all the while using insinuations with intentional bias nightly, like they all did for decades...yep, same difference...just different times, more latitude in the world we live in now...

Only thing happening now is the obvious blatant excess with the left...which I am thankful for....

Pay backs are hell..and I've been waiting a mighty long time.

Desperation and fear is bringing the best (or worst depending on how you look at it) out in all of them...like nothing I have ever witnessed.

I am one Happy Camper...and keep up the good work msm.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I agree, BT

September 14, 2008 - 19:41 ET by Cape Conservative

You can almost smell the sweat!

Couldn't happen to more deserving folks!!

Let them twist and turn - and spin some more - just like Charlie's foot the other night - I almost reached into the tv and broke it off for him, the pompous A$$! Ms. Sarah really held her ground with him, didn't she!

Saw the interview.

September 14, 2008 - 18:35 ET by lotr

Saw the interview. Brokaw, while appearing quite neutral, came playing hardball -- I can't imagine him throwing the same heat to a Democratic candidate. Giuliani held his own, though.

On to another matter, while Jesus certainly called his audiences to repentance, I don't see how this made him a "community organizer." The Apostles Peter and Paul, maybe. And Pilate wasn't elected by those whom he governed.

"I can't imagine him

September 14, 2008 - 18:42 ET by Indiana Joe

"I can't imagine him throwing the same heat to a Democratic candidate." They couldn't handle it. They're too used to soft-ball questions from their MSM "pals."

This is where all the "heat" thrown at Republicans is paying off... for us.

"What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

Jesus was no community organizer

September 14, 2008 - 18:35 ET by nkviking75

You may remember that at one point the crowd of Jesus' followers wanted to make Him an earthly king, and Jesus walked away. Obama would jump at the chance.

Many of Jesus' followers wanted him to lead a rebellion against Rome. That's what a community organizer would do. Jesus just went right on proclaiming the gospel.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Thanks for getting it

September 14, 2008 - 19:05 ET by L.N. Smithee

Thanks for getting it.

If he was as humble as he claims he is, he would say something to quash all this "messiah" talk from his own supporters in the same way that he said he would fire anyone who went after the Palin children.

"Well, I've got nothing against the press...they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true..." -- Joe Jackson, "Sunday Papers"

Instead, he let them

September 14, 2008 - 19:44 ET by Cape Conservative

build him a "temple" complete with styrofoam columns - the better from which to receive their accolades ;-)

Oh well, you know the old saying, "the higher they climb, the farther they fall" - Barack Hussein Obama is in for a rude awakening come November 5!

Valid point!

September 14, 2008 - 20:30 ET by MaximusBraveheart

This was good nkviking!

"You may remember that at one point the crowd of Jesus' followers wanted to make Him an earthly king, and Jesus walked away. Obama would jump at the chance.

Many of Jesus' followers wanted him to lead a rebellion against Rome. That's what a community organizer would do. Jesus just went right on proclaiming the gospel. "

Did Jesus build a $100,000

September 14, 2008 - 18:38 ET by DaBird

Did Jesus build a $100,000 gazebo too?

Jesus built a whole

September 14, 2008 - 18:44 ET by Indiana Joe

Jesus built a whole Kingdom, DaBird.

Estimates vary. ;^)

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

Jesus created the universe

September 14, 2008 - 18:50 ET by suburbanite

John 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

..Amen... "America isn't

September 14, 2008 - 18:53 ET by bigtimer

..Amen...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Well, he does pave the

September 14, 2008 - 19:14 ET by Dan The Man 2

Well, he does pave the streets with gold....so perhaps Obama is trying to be like Him.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Brokaw WASN'T wearing the Obama button?

September 14, 2008 - 19:01 ET by L.N. Smithee

Brokaw WASN'T wearing the Obama button?

TOM BROKAW: Senator Obama, who had an Ivy league education and could’ve gone to Wall Street, went back to Chicago, on the South Side. As you know, his supporters have defended him for working with poor families, many of whom lost their jobs when the Gary steel mills closed. In that mocking fashion, it seemed to a lot of people that you were belittling the role of a community organizer...

Feh. He might as well have been wearing it.

"Well, I've got nothing against the press...they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true..." -- Joe Jackson, "Sunday Papers"

LNS... I agree with you,

September 14, 2008 - 19:16 ET by bigtimer

LNS...

I agree with you, as always it seems.

Now I want to know what Feh means.

I have seen this posted before elsewhere and always forget to ask...

... sorry if it is a stupid question, but heck, I am an inquiring simple mind that needs to know.

Thanks

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

heh, heh...

September 14, 2008 - 20:43 ET by RonC

I noticed no one answered your question about 'feh' - uh, perhaps because no such word exists (as yet anyway) - according to Webster, Merraim that is. But, in Webster's New Millennium it is a Yiddish "expression of disgust, disapproval, or displeasure." Or, might I add, an expression of intense disagreement! LOL....

As some wag opined...

September 14, 2008 - 19:08 ET by Dan LaHood

Pontius Pilate voted "present" eh?

Jesus was our Savior, Obama

September 14, 2008 - 19:12 ET by USA4freedom

Jesus was our Savior, Obama is not Jesus Christ, (even if he thinks he is)

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

followers

September 14, 2008 - 19:16 ET by mbuel

It's becoming more and more obvious that Obama's followers really do think he is the messiah.

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

Amen to that!

September 14, 2008 - 19:18 ET by suburbanite

More like II Cor 11:13 (KJV) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

it never ceases to amaze me

September 14, 2008 - 19:30 ET by ron

it never ceases to amaze me how the Christian faith is denigrated by the msm until they want to use it to try to promote their warped agenda

Taxes and Jesus?

September 14, 2008 - 19:34 ET by dmntd1

Church today had an interesting passage.... and as long as you're sharing that one, this is my favorite for today *grin*

Matthew 9:10-12 NIV

10) While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11) When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?" 12) On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick."

My personal translation just said Jesus called tax collectors bad people *grin* If they want to compare the ONE to Jesus, might as well inform them that Jesus called the tax collectors bad, right?

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

Was Hitler?

September 14, 2008 - 19:25 ET by dmntd1

Would Hitler be a community organizer? In his time in 'office', he did the following:

Regulated factory job conditions regarding start/end times, breaks, paydays, employment terminations, vacations, fines for not meeting production, vacations, 'green rooms' (i.e. living plants in factories to calm the workers under stress).

Formed state-backed vacations such as cruises, beach trips, and nature trips (i.e. hiking and camping).

Instituted education financing for everyone, from tots, through teens and into the professional positions of the day.

Helped engineer public transportation for the workers.

Organized, and agitated, one a majority populace against a minority populace (aryans -v- Jews/Homosexuals/handicapped).

Heck, even Il Duce made the busses run on time, right?!?

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

Hitler the community organizer

September 15, 2008 - 05:52 ET by Sergeant ROCK

lol! You are exactly right! This is a truer statement than what they are attempting with the 'Jesus was a community organizer' talking point.

It's funny that the Obamaniacs think the comparrison is a win when in fact, all it does is feed into what Rush says about him being the 'Messiah'.

This is nothing more than a diversion from the simple fact that being a 'community organizer' hardly qualifies you to be President. The democRATS/MSM are content with having the 'Is Obama Jesus?' argument, evidently. And they.. lol.. think they're winning that one!

PALIN/McCain 2008

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September 14, 2008 - 19:27 ET by dahliatravers

Did someone forget to tell Tom Brokaw that Rudy Giuliani is no longer in the race?

Dalia - Shhhhhh. Don't let the secret out

September 14, 2008 - 19:31 ET by Free Stinker

Did someone forget to tell Tom Brokaw that Rudy Giuliani is no longer in the race?

Dalia - Shhhhhh. Don't let the secret out. ;-)

Every moment they spend going after Rudy is one they can't spend on attack Governor Palin.

Governor Palin - She is the Real Deal !

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September 14, 2008 - 19:41 ET by dahliatravers

... oh, right, Free S. Sorry.

Matter of fact, I'm just making out a contribution to Rudy '08 as we speak ...

LOL! :-)

September 14, 2008 - 19:47 ET by Free Stinker

LOL! :-)

Jesus

September 14, 2008 - 19:27 ET by charlietexas

Jesus wasn't out there getting people jobs.......he told them to follow him. He was witnessing to them, he wanted them to go out and save people form sin. I guess Donna Brazill thinks Jesus was telling women where to get an abortion and having affairs was ok. Susan Sherandan probably thinks Jesus was a pot smoker too.

What we need to do it follow what Pontius Pilate did and wash out hands of the liberals.

Mommy

Brokaw

September 14, 2008 - 19:28 ET by d1carter

So Jesus and Obama are one in the same, huh Tom? Is that a fact or just an MSM rumor/lie? Brokaw is now a religious expert. Heh.

Jesus Was Not a Community Organizer

September 14, 2008 - 19:36 ET by Free Stinker

Jesus Was Not a Community Organizer! How ignorant and lazy can the MSM be?

C.S. Lewis discusses the only possibilities of who Jesus was in his famous Trilemma.

Present

September 14, 2008 - 19:37 ET by Copperhead Ridge

In a thread last week I pointed out that Pilate voted "present" deciding the fate of Jesus. So, Obama is more like Pilate.

I also pointed out that he had a similarity with Herod. Condoning infanticide.

One doesn't get to be a savior by feeding the multitude field droppings.

Obama and the Democrats walk a slippery slope when they start batting around "Jesus" slogans. They actually think that the "community organizer" thing is going to win them votes.

Also, on a side note, the first time I read about a "pilates" work out I thought, "that's got to be one heck of a excercise routine. The flogging would be bad enough, but a crucifixion just to get in shape?"

Obama the Organizer

September 14, 2008 - 19:50 ET by whodat

Jesus Christ IS God!

Pontious Pilate is a dead man.

Obama's church

September 14, 2008 - 20:05 ET by SDS

so Jesus was a community organizer?

does that mean that Obama spent his time recruiting people to go to Trinity United to hear the hate filled racist rants of J Wright?

I doubt the question would be asked again.

um yeah

September 14, 2008 - 20:05 ET by candance

Comparing Sarah to Pontious Pilate is kinda pointless anyway. Christians see Pilate as a sympathetic man caught in the wrong place at the wrong time who tried to save Jesus from the Israeli estalishment.

These people are so stupid and uninformed about the Bible they can't even identify the actual villain.

Brokaw is going to Moderate a Debate????

September 14, 2008 - 20:26 ET by marvl

Shouldn't this pompous, Obama-supporting windbag excuse himself from moderating one of the presidential debates? Seems to me there's a conflict of interest here.

Pleeeaasssee!

September 14, 2008 - 20:35 ET by Steve08080

When will these idiot libs learn? Jesus a community organizer? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!BHO has NO executive experience. BTW....I finally found out what a community organizer does. Read Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and you'll all find out. And how can BHO get a security clearance considering all his past associations?

Hypocrisy - Noun

September 14, 2008 - 20:43 ET by Defector01

1. Screaming bloody murder about references to God made by one candidate then turning around and comparing another candidate to the 'son of God' and the first candidate to the executioner.

2. Wailing about keeping religion out of politics while sending me envelopes telling me how God's plan is for national health care and sustainability

I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it - Voltaire

Hey, ya' know

September 14, 2008 - 20:49 ET by Blazer

Hey, ya' know what ?

Hitler was a community organiser too, and a pretty effective one at that.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

whodat is right on the

September 14, 2008 - 20:54 ET by sam.i.am

whodat is right on the money.

These MSM secularists want to make people think they can "talk Jesus" so they drop His name all over the place. They don't have a clue.

It's easy for them to say who Jesus was.

They would never talk about who Jesus is.

Jesus is Lord.

Nice try Brokaw

September 14, 2008 - 21:10 ET by Teddy

Now give This question a shot.

I don't remember Ever having been taught about how Christ, the "community organizer", made a shady land deal with a sleazy "money changer"?

Care to try and explain that one away, wise-ass?

Ps. Maher said Jesus was The Big C.O on Friday, as well.

Add another Moron to the list.

Brokaw

September 14, 2008 - 21:07 ET by TRH

I say bring it on! Let the MSM desroy themselves and what is left of their already declining reputation. I just wish any conservative who goes on their shows would laugh at them when they ask those questions or make those statements. And when they ask why they are laughing, explain why.

Is this the prevailing wisdom again?

September 14, 2008 - 21:40 ET by pbthinker

Brokaw says Obama could have gone to Wall Street. Says who? Obama? The fact is that he didn't go to Wall Street, for whatever reason, but it's a leap of faith to say he could have gone to Wall Street and become successful. Let's face it, Obama didn't really leave much behind as a community organizer either. What did he do? Is there some poor soul, in the community, that has become successful and tells us it was because he was organized by Obama and helped to improve his life? When you look at the campaigns he's run, he hasn't defeated much, in the way of competition. I seem to remember, in his Senate campaign, the media, somehow, had the sealed court records of his opponents divorce made public and he ended up pulling out of the race. I won't even go into his replacement. Now, do his supporters think they can pull this off again?

NBC has been in the tank for Obama for a long time. Brokaw should be ashamed of himself for the question and the pin, which was obviously an Obama campaign prop.

Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.

Brokaw is no Russert

September 14, 2008 - 21:42 ET by oilcan

Sorry to any Brokaw fans, but the mantle of Tim Russert's standard on Meet the Press is woefully shattered. Brokaw has transformed this show into a show of advancing the liberal agenda.

The USSA is near

September 14, 2008 - 21:43 ET by tonyflo04

Even the most "level headed" his supporters are starting to compare him to a Messia. They are believing he is the Messiah that will deliver the US to the socialist global community...HOW PATHETIC!!! We may become the United Socialist States of America (USSA) under ObaMessiah, with the MSM leading the way.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have" -- Gerald Ford

"The course of history shows that as a government grows,
liberty decreases..."

The difference between Olbermann and Brokaw

September 14, 2008 - 21:45 ET by jefflebowski

is that Olbie can pronounce the letter "L."

You mean to tell me that God sent his only begotten son not to be our savior and redeemer but to be a community organizer? Thanks liberals for straightening that out for me. I guess I had sold community organizing short!

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

It needs to be said

September 14, 2008 - 21:48 ET by Iowa Boy

Comparing Senator Obama to the Son of God, my Redeemer, Lord and Saviour is blasphamy. Plain and simple.

I am sick to death of it and I'm going to call out anyone who tries to drop that on me.

"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa

You should study your bible before you comment

September 14, 2008 - 22:45 ET by jimmyg_1

Yes Pilate was a governor...but it was Barabous who was the community organizer. Barabous fought against the Roman oppression. His fight lead him to murder. He was brought before the crowd with Jesus and Pilate asked who should live. Crowd chanted Barabous.. Barabous... Seems that chanting crowds rarely get it right

Hussein must have been

September 14, 2008 - 22:50 ET by cocodrie

Hussein must have been organizing the gangs in Chicago - there were twice as many murders in Chicago than in the war zone in Iraq. He wants to do the same for America. Jesus was a carpenter and the Son of God. Hussein is a phony ans the son of a bigamist [a man who had more than two wives and deserted them all]. Pontius Pilate was actually the procurator of Judea appointed by Tiberius ceasar. Sarah Palin is governor by the will of the people. Donna Brazile is not smart due to a lack of intelligence.

Wow, so was Jesus also

September 14, 2008 - 23:39 ET by ExZonie

a member of ACORN (Association for Community Organizers for Reform Now)?

Oh and when did Governor Palin

September 14, 2008 - 23:41 ET by ExZonie

become a Senator??

Who's Being Crucified?

September 14, 2008 - 23:39 ET by flyingmonkey

Your absolutely right jimmyg, barabas was the rabble-rousing community organizer that most closely fits the profile of Barack Obama. The person being crucified by the MSM, Sarah Palin, would most closely fit the profile of Jesus Christ.

Of course, you can't expect the secular MSM to get anything right when it comes to religion.

Dems walking on thin ice

September 15, 2008 - 00:23 ET by caiobabe

The comparisons by our democrat friends of Obama (the new savior) to Jesus are appalling and must be to Christ to!

They are reading from the same talking points, in unison saying the same offensive lines and that includes that washed up haggard actress Susan Sarandon.

Hitler started off as a community organizer too but I don't see anyone making that comparison to Obama... but it would be most fitting.

Brokaw got worse further in

September 15, 2008 - 02:02 ET by Cooltom

Brokaw got worse further in the interview (emphasis added)...

MR. BROKAW: Mr. Mayor, let me also share with you something that the former majority leader of the House of Representatives, Dick Armey, who was part of the Republican Revolution with Newt Gingrich, had to say this past week. This is in USA Today on September 3rd. "The `Bubba Vote' and underlying racism will hurt Democrat Barack Obama in key battleground states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, former House majority leader Dick Armey said.

"The Bubba vote is there, and it's very real, and it is everywhere. ... There's an awful lot of people in America, bless their heart, who simply are not emotionally prepared to vote for a black man.' ...

"He said the `Bubba vote' is `invisible' in pre-election opinion polls, because voters do not admit that they would oppose a candidate because of race."

He went on to say that voting because of race is deplorable, but in a close race, he said it will make a big difference. So if Senator McCain wins based on the Dick Armey formulation, does he win because of race and playing the race card?

Dick Armey formulation? Geesh, Hasn't Brokaw heard of the Bradley Effect? Wasn't there just yesterday a well-publicized article about how Dem pros were cautioning Obama that the effect is a minus 4-6% and not to trust his poll numbers?

Brokaw is tring to insinuate that effect as a newly created GOP dirty trick thought up by Armey instead of a effect that was first noticed in the Gubernational race of Tom Bradley in 1980. And how is McCain ''playing the race card'' when he has made no mention of Obama's race -- well, aside from his classily congratulating Obama on his historic nomination.

Whatever you want to call

September 15, 2008 - 05:52 ET by seanrobins

Whatever you want to call what Jesus Christ did during (and after) his time on earth, it did not include working for an organization that promoted voter fraud.

sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com

I thought

September 15, 2008 - 06:06 ET by Immolate

Hitler was a community organizer and FDR was a governor.

Every time the media denegrate Christianity

September 15, 2008 - 06:58 ET by c5then

They drive another few people toward voting for conservatives. The MSM has only a very superficial and cartoonesque knowledge of religion in general and Christianity specifically. They prove that every time they use it to try and make their point and wind up sounding like the morons that they are.

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Obama is Pontius Pilate

September 15, 2008 - 07:07 ET by kiwikit

Neither could make a decision as shown by Obama's voting 'present' 130 times when he was unable to decide between 'yes' or 'no.' Pontius Pilate had the same problem and left the decision on whether to crucify Jesus up to the people. Wasn't Pilate's position appointed rather than elected? That too would seem more Obama-like; he want a coronation by the elites not election by real people with whom he can't relate.

»→ Jesus was not

September 15, 2008 - 08:08 ET by Cool Arrow

Jesus (is) not a community organizer.

Barack! I know Jesus. And you, sir, are no Jesus.

"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters

didn't you see the new

September 15, 2008 - 08:30 ET by athoughtor2

didn't you see the new bumper stickers on the back of the limo's the liberals are driving, "jesus organizes"?

Wall Street

September 15, 2008 - 09:11 ET by flyoverland

Again, the MSM reports "Obama could have gone to Wall Street but chose to become a community organizer". I ask again: what were the names of those Wall Street firms that made the lucrative offers? Why would Wall Street be interested in a government major? A Harvard lawyer, yes, but that was AFTER the community organizer days. Will someone please ask that question.

Govenor Pilate pardoned Jesus

September 15, 2008 - 09:47 ET by Mike

you well know that Pilate found no fault in Jesus and that it was the wright-like 'lawyers' rabble rouser community organizers who shouted for His crucifixion.

So Palin voted for a pardon, but the organizers could not deal with that and thought that Chicago style political payback would work better.

Jesus?obama,Palin/Pilate "analogy"

September 15, 2008 - 11:37 ET by east tennessee john

Last week 2 amazing statements have come from the Obama camp. First, press secretary Bill Burton says John McCain can't define honor, overlooking the obvious fact that his life PERSONIFIES the term. The Obama camps speaks of honor while running a stealth campaign based on the racially anngry, Marxist socially and economic belief system of Black Liberation Theology, which Obama has NEVER DISCUSSED. Is this desperation or what? The next was even more unbelivable, the secularly developed analogy, Jesus was a "community organizer" and Pilate a govenor. This Lakoffian saying is designed to create the following mental association and nothing else, that Obama is like Jesus and Palin like Pilate. This is both historically incorrect and blasphemous. First, in typical leftist moral equivelency fashion, it elevates the actions of curent community organizers to the miracles performed by Jesus. This simultaneously denigrates the purpose of and intent of those
miracles, which were supernatual in origin and designed to turn people towards God. Given organiztions like ACORN where Obama taught seminars, I don't believe their motivations,given their past and objectives, were similar to Jesus'. This analogy rings hollow, untrue. Whether it was an attempt to be clever or a purposeful denigration of Jesus' acts by invalid comparison,blasphemy, is still blasphemy and Obama, as a self professed committed Christian, is the only person who can do anything about it. These secular folks have their 1st Amendment rights, but believers have a right to disagree with and reject this inaccurate comparison as vocally as they proclaim it.