NYT Columnist: Don't Test Olympians For Gender

Photo of Mark Finkelstein.

The Cornell golf club championship is next weekend, and I had been planning [brag alert] to defend the senior men's title I won last year.  But now, I just might have to think about entering the women's division instead.  The field is much smaller, not nearly as tough, and playing from the red tees should give me quite an advantage.  But what if tournament organizers balk at my entry, you ask?  No problem.  I'd just toss down a copy of Jennifer Finney Boylan's New York Times op-ed column of today.  The thesis of The XY Games is that "gender is malleable and elusive," and that since "most efforts to rigidly quantify the sexes are bound to fail," the Olympic authorities [and surely the Cornell golf club] shouldn't really bother to try.

Finney Boylan goes so far as to assert that the Olympic medals Stella Walsh won in women's sprint events shouldn't be stripped posthumously despite an autopsy revealing that Walsh had male sex organs [and an ambiguous set of chromosomes.]

Writes Finney Boylan of Walsh [emphasis added throughout]:

She should be celebrated for her accomplishments as an athlete, not turned into an asterisk because of a condition beyond her control.

The triumphant fact of a life lived as a woman made Walsh female, and the inexact measurements performed by strangers cannot render her life untrue.

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Finney Boylan would apply that same self-selection test to the current Olympics:

The only dependable test for gender is the truth of a person’s life, the lives we live each day. Surely the best judge of a person’s gender is not a degrading, questionable examination. The best judge of a person’s gender is what lies within her, or his, heart.

How do we weed out "outright frauds," asks the author? "A quick look at the reality of an athlete’s life ought to settle the question," says she.  

Well, like the candy-bar commercial went, sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.  I just might feel a Mounds coming on.

Sidenote:  arguments should stand or fall on their own merits, not on the identity of their author.  Still, should either the Times or Finney Boylan have informed readers that she is herself a male-to-female transsexual?  Let's imagine, for example, that the Times had run an op-ed by someone arguing that sexual orientation is a choice, and that homosexuals can through therapy be transformed into heterosexuals.  Would the paper have permitted such a column to appear without it being noted that the author was someone claiming to have undergone just such a transformation?

Note: Photo of Finney Boylan © 2007 James Bowdoin.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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Ahhh, logic!

Thank you, Mark for the suggestion of the proper orientation (I guess I have a pun there) that op-eds should reveal and maintain for journalistic consistancy and fairness... or maybe the language shoud "editorial"?

Criticism of the media should make a better media (we can hope) and the NYT editorial staff needs to be taken to task for not revealing this detail.

As regarding the Op-Ed: doctors, athletes, sports medicine scientists, and I think most people know that a lifetime of testosterone doping (in and out of the womb) gives a man a strength, body-mass, and fast-twitch advantage that unbalances this kind of competition and this kind of unfair advantage is what sports regulators are mandated to catch and punish.

it is just afraid

That they might test it!  Look at it.  Is that bulldog a man or a woman?  Sheesh, this is so stupid.

FLY ARMY!

Rotorhead

T hat, my friend is a bisexual built for two.

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"It"

I once had a friend that chose to be a woman. She was really a man named Dave, but we called her Dee. She was silly, vain and loud. I didn't exactly like her when I met her.

But she was a human being, and she chose to be a woman; this is called "freedom." No matter how much I disagreed with her choices - I RESPECTED her and her FREEDOM to choose how to live her life. She came from the Filipines to live in America, so I thought it would be hypocritical of me to come from the "land of the free," and then insult her for her choices.

I like to see how people like you talk about freedom and choice and all these things, but when someone makes a life choice that you disagree with, you disrespect them by calling them "IT." I teach English as a second language, and that is one thing I make clear to my students: It is a grave insult to refer to a human being as "it." Did you not learn that as a child?

You might think I'm making a big deal out of nothing. Am I? Well, "it" is a pronoun we use in English ONLY for inanimate objects - NOT human beings. In other words, for you to have the audacity to call this person "it" is to suggest that she is not just someone you dislike, she isn't even a human being. If you REALLY want to insult her freely made choice to be female, then just call her "him." 

CB, you are funny. 

CB, you are funny.  Because we live in teh land of teh free we have the right to tell some idiot like Dave that he is an idiot.  And in teh same vien we have the right to call you out also.  No matter how much a man thinks he is a woman, he is not, and no matter how much a woman thinks she is a man she is not.  Only those ignorant people who think like you believe so.

My son used to go around barking like a dog and he would eat dogfood, but that did not make him a dog.  Thankfully that phase did not last long.

And people call thier babies it all the time, does it disrespect them?  What are you going to call it is a familiar phrase.  I agree "It" is an improper use of words, we should use more descriptive ones like weird or perhaps more pejoratives.

Your attitude is exactly why this country is in such sad shape now.  The reason we have such a high out of wedlock births and other societal ills.  The lack of stigma associated with improper behavior.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

relieved

Well, the answer to the age-old question,'how high can you stack it?' has now be answered.  We can all move on now.

Renee Richards all over again

Well, we do have men giving birth to babies now, don't we?

And they argue the National Enquirer is a freakshow.

Witness for your perusal. . . exhibit A in this week's episode of "Night Gallery"

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No, no, sorry...

"...a life lived as a woman made Walsh female, and the inexact measurements performed by strangers cannot render her life untrue."

A fast look at the ol' chromosomes and a quick nubbin-check is pretty freakin' exact, there Finney.  I mean, the only answers available are "yes" and "no".  

Kinda makes exactness "doable", ya know what I mean?

 

hmw

I think "she" knows the drill.

Did I say that?

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enough

There's more confusion here than Finney could shake her stick at at.

yikes.  

"everymorning and everyday, I bossa nova with you"

Now I'm confused

This is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. I don't know if I've ever used the word "libtard" but I think it would apply to Mr. Finney Boylan. I wonder how he (or is it she... maybe... it?) would feel if we just did away with gender events and made the women compete against the men in all events. Wouldn't...... it? think it was unfair for women.

Wow, considering all of the arguments here has confused me as much as Finney Boylan is confused about his/her sex.

It's time for

It's time for androgeny.....

It's Pat!

 

if

 So she's cool if Lebron James undergoes a gender switch... then joins the WNBA and scores 100 points a game? 

"everymorning and everyday, I bossa nova with you"

Mark's sidenote

Is a home run regardless of how you feel about the underlying issue, IMO, because in this case the author's identity does matter. The Times needs to ask itself a simple question: "Why did we have to learn about it from Mark?"
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

You Twisted Little Monkey

"The triumphant fact of a life lived as a woman made Walsh female,..."

Umm, no.

No more than if I pretended to be black for the rest of my life, would make me a black man.

Or Stalone playing Rambo for 30 years makes him a Vietnam Vet.

Twisted logic from a twisted individual pushing a twisted agenda.

How much more self-hating can you get? Attempting to alter your basic identity.

 

White              -  does not mean racist

Heterosexual   - does not mean homophobic 

Male                - does not mean sexist 

Not Again

What I object to here is that, once again, a member of the GLT community is demanding special treatment.   That is, after having had a sex change, demanding to be allowed to particicpate in sex defined sporting events in the new gender. Renee Richards, anyone?

There are plenty of sports that are gender neutral (mostly hand to eye coordination) where such individuals could participate competitively without upsetting society's apple cart...equestrian, shooting, sailing, angling.

This is akin to the gay marriage argument.   Special but equal.  No.

Good luck with your golf tournament, Mark.  I really laughed at your "brag alert".

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Consult the manufacturer

As long as were putting out opinions on gender, let's consider this statement from Genesis 1:27: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."  Personally, I'm inclined to believe the designer of human beings.  As far as I know, there's no objective evidence to the contrary.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

The Guy Wins Again

So a guy who wins the Bronze medal in track-and-field every time he races finally gets tired of being the runner-up, switches to the female side, and wins every event from the 100 meters to the hurdles to the long jump to the high jump and everything in between, and thereby sets a new Olympic record with 17 Gold medals.

 I find it difficult to believe that, as long a the guy wears a dress when he's mowing the yard, Boylan would be just fine with that.

I think this is a fight that

I think this is a fight that liberal women can take on for themselves. I will be content to sit back and be "tolerant" of the rights of any man that calls himself a woman or dresses like a woman to go into their bathrooms and compete in their sports leagues. I think it is time to let the women of the view be "intolerant" and "insensitive" and "conservative" on this one.

The conclusions and

The conclusions and hypotheticals drawn by the writer are poor, oversimplified, and it's ridiculous that she didn't mention her own orientation. BUT, there are some genuine good points brought up by the writer that you've chosen to ignore.

 

So, NYT's subscribers are

So, NYT's subscribers are "treated" to this baloney instead of a piece by Senator McCain?

NYT - battling to force their stock price into single digits one editorial at a time . . .

Let's try it her way

Let's try it Boylans' way and let a man enter as a woman. That "woman" would be tested for doping and, since that "woman" has rather high testosterone levels, far more than any natural-born woman would have, "she" would be banned from competition. Ether way, "she's" out.

Sorry, Jennifer...

it is your head that is malleable and your "wisdom" elusive.  Not gender.

We are what we are born.  Yeah, I know there are a few biological glitches, but this illustrates the fuzziness of liberal thought.

The actual two Olympic categories

A long time ago, I remember a question that went something like this:

In the Olympics, they often have two categories for events, one being the women's, such as 100 meter freestyle swimming. OFFICIALLY, what is the other category called?

The obvious answer, "men's", was said to be incorrect. The actual OFFICIAL other category as compement to "women's" is "open".

Thus, the "women's" category is restricted to those athletes with XX chromosomes. The "men's" category contains those with XY chromosomes plus any other human variation out there.

 

 

There is, of course, a better solution

Simply do away with the gender distinctions in sports.  Have one marathon, one gymnastics, and one swimming competition.  When women (real, fake, and constructed-via-surgery) win not a single medal, tell them it really sucks that the they can't compete -- but at least we didn't have anyone demean them by checking out their chromosomes or genitalia.

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Can You Imagine The Great Gnashing Of Teeth

Can you imagine the uproar amongst the women's groups if Title IX was suddenly collapsed and schools only offered one set of teams?  How the Olympics would be gutted?  How there would be no more WNBA, no more LPGA?  And if you think Women's Tennis has a lot of ladies grunting now, wait until the girls start dealing with heavy male service shot coming in at 20 mph faster and with a third more kinetic energy.

Hey, the more I think about it, I'm all for this.  True gender equality and enough liberal whinging to last for decades. 

Seriously though, isn't is a typical liberal thing to drag out the far-flung exceptions to use as examples upon which to form one's judgment.   Gotta love that head full of mush.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

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beach vollyball

Leave that one alone.  Let the ladies play.

 

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.
The MARINES don't have that problem."
President Ronald Reagan - 1985

Actually...

There's something most of you are missing here. Some of you are very close, but you don't seem to have the whole picture.

It's basic anthropology: sex is definite, as long as chromosomes and sex organs are normal. Gender, however, refers to socially defined roles and behaviors. In American culture, we've tried to get to a point where gender roles don't exist - men raise children, and women work in offices.

But in a culture where gender roles are strictly defined, it's very possible for a person to switch, just by changing the way he dresses, speaks or acts. The classical example is the native American bardiche, which gets way overplayed, I think. Still, it stands out as a fine example of a social role where a man chooses to live as a woman, marrying a man and doing woman's work. The bardiche probably doesn't exist anymore, however, because white people politely civilized native Americans. By killing them.

Another classical example we learn in introduction to anthropology is a tradition in an African society (sorry, I've forgotten the region) wherein a woman may marry another woman and take on a man's gender role. Her gender becomes "male" even though her sex is still "female."

Now, you might be laughing - look, this guy's spouting tired, cliched examples from introduction to anthropology class. But that's my point. You guys are at the 101 level, and you're still getting it wrong. There are 18-year-olds out there who have a far better understanding of this issue than you ever will. And it's not a wimpy, touchy-feely social science thing - it's years of research, hundreds of published papers and an entire branch of studies, Women and Gender.

And these old examples have cognates in contemporary American society. They aren't old, unreal, ancient traditions in another world, far, far away from us. They are very real issues, here and now. The problem is that people like you are just kind of clueless about them, and in your clulessness, you just assume that anyone that is different from you is an aberration, an abomination or just plain "it." 

 

You seem to be forgetting something

"here's something most of you are missing here."

The same could be said of you.

The word "Gender" is a Latin descriptive term for the different PHYSICAL classifications for Males and Females, regardless of the “Genus” (another one of those Latin terms) of those Males and Females. To believe the "Gender" is merely a Human behavioral descriptive (which is determined by Human social norms and definitions) is to believe that Genus is one as well.

Do you actually believe that the differences between the numerous genus classifications in the world are merely behavioral and not physical in nature? If so, you REALLY need to go back to Biology 101. If not, then even you understand that Gender is a PHYSICAL description and not a BEHAVIORAL one.

Liberals missing the point as usual...

You are missing the point of this thread.  The argument is that physiologically men are different than women. It doesn’t matter what you cut off or sew on or inject into them they are still fundamentally built like the gender they were born with.  In athletic competition this is a major difference, hence the reasons there are different categories of men’s and women’s competitions for the same sport!  The article states that an autopsy revealed that “she” was a man.  This illustrates the point being made – it is unethical to participate in a women’s sporting event if you were ever a man! It doesn’t matter whether “she” felt like a woman or not. Her body was still put together as a man’s. Her musculature and bone structure was stronger than a woman’s and therefore gave her an advantage above the true biological women in those competitions. This makes it unethical and therefore fraudulent for her to be awarded those medals since she had an unfair advantage just as if someone were doping to enhance their performance abilities.  As has been stated (and apparently ignored by the liberals bent on painting the conservatives here as bigots) if there were no physical difference then there would be no special designation between men’s and women’s sporting events and they would all compete on the same level. Women wouldn’t tee off at different locations than men, scoring would be relatively the same in all competitions across the board if there were no differences. I lived with this asinine, unrealistic farce while I was in the military. Women were given lesser physical training requirements yet were given the same pay and the same rank and respect even when they through example couldn’t perform at the same level as the men. This is seen in various other professions where physical prowess is necessary to perform the duties at hand. Cops, Firemen and military will all tell you that women cannot perform at the same level (and therefore in a more dangerous capacity in dangerous situations) as men.  To ignore that puts everyone in those physical situations in danger. In sports it demeans the men who earn medals and trophies for being the best at something, then have to share those equal awards with women who are ranked the best as well with the caveat of being “the best woman”. This demeans the women as well because they always have that caveat attached to the awards.  Then to have someone who is a man biologically come along and then be awarded the awards that are specifically designated for women BECAUSE of their physical inequality to men, is just an even bigger insult.  This seems like more liberal claptrap to bring everyone to complete and totally utopian parity unnaturally by totally ignoring the physical, biological and human nature related differences in us all. It’s an irony that the liberal mantra of respecting diversity also espouses trying to make us all identical regardless of the repeated outcomes.  Get off this gender bender conversation of being transsexual as being ok. This thread is about dishonesty in sporting competitions not about who’s right about sexual gender confusion!

 

"The moment you give up your principles and your values, the moment you laugh at those principles and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period." - Oriana Fallaci

It is absurd for the writer

It is absurd for the writer to claim that no one may judge this person for competing in an arena where (s)he had a obvious physical advantage, simply because (s)he wanted to redefine the rules. Another fine example of moral relativity.

That said, with regards to men competing in women's olympic sports, I can't believe no one has yet come out with a crack somewhere along the lines of the "East German" Olympic team. That's the first thing that came to my mind when I first saw this, I just couldn't come up a good joke. ;-)