On today's Morning Joe, Obama fan Mika Brzezinski did her best to defuse the spot of bother Barack is in over the extremist statements made by his personal spiritual advisor, the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr.
Over the course of the three-hour show, Mika variously and repeatedly:
- mentioned that Obama has already distanced himself from Wright.
- pointed out that the Clinton campaign has its own race-related problems, as with Bill in S.C. and the recent Ferraro flap.
- insinuated that the Clinton campaign might be behind the recent emergence of the Wright tapes.
And then there was my favorite. Mika speculated that the sermon in which Wright used the n-word to make an invidious comparison between Hillary and Obama might have been six years old. That's right. Brzezinski imagined that Wright might have taken to his pulpit to excoriate Hillary back in 2001 or 2002, at a time when Barack was a mere Illinois state senator and the presidency not even a gleam in his eye.
View video here.
I've put together an edited tape of Mika's various utterances. As extensive as it is, it doesn't come close to including all of Mika's various interjections on Obama's behalf during the show's 180 minutes.
Here's the transcript of that one highlight:
WILLIE GEIST: These are sermons he's given over the years that have bubbled to the surface and frankly some scary stuff that no doubt Barack Obama is going to have to answer for and answer for his relationship with this man. We'll give you a sampling. In this first one, you might want to run the kids out of the room. Here it is.
JEREMIAH WRIGHT: It just came to me within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folk are hating on Barack obama. He doesn't fit the model. He ain't white. He ain't rich. And he ain't privileged. Hillary fits the mold. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a [bleeped out n-word].
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Again, we need to put perspective on these things. The Obama campaign says he's no longer pastor of the church, that this happened way back. Well, no.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Is this six years old, this video?
Joe and Willie gently set Mika straight.
SCARBOROUGH; No, that one wasn't. That happened right before the Iowa caucuses.GEIST: A couple of months ago.
SCARBOROUGH: That was in December 2007 right before Iowa.
Oh well. It's the spirit that counts. And no one can deny that Mika's heart is firmly in the Obama camp.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.




















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He ain't rich. And he ain't
March 14, 2008 - 11:35 ET by Free ThinkerHe ain't rich. And he ain't privileged. Hillary fits the mold. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people.
Is this guy talking about Ivy League educated United States Senator Barack Obama?
True, but his Princeton and
March 14, 2008 - 11:39 ET by Mark FinkelsteinTrue, but his Princeton and Harvard-educated wife had to scrape by on a salary of $316,962/year.
Wow, talk about living in
March 14, 2008 - 11:47 ET by Clear thinkerWow, talk about living in the gutter. Her color sure has held her back from making a living wage. Where can we send the food and clothing donations?
"Abstain from McCain"
Gee, Mark, we should all have it so tough.
March 14, 2008 - 12:37 ET by R D HelmGood grief.
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Was Obama rich and
March 14, 2008 - 11:52 ET by goldbarWas Obama rich and privileged? Enlighten please.
He is now!!!!
March 14, 2008 - 11:57 ET by BEGRUNT"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
How did he get rich?
March 14, 2008 - 12:04 ET by CaringwhiteguyHow could he do it all on his own in Massa's evil, mean society? And to show his gratitude he/and the lovely Michelle contributed $22,000 to Rev. Wright's "Church" last year.
Your right CWG
March 14, 2008 - 12:10 ET by BEGRUNTThe massa even paid to send he and his wife to Ivy League schools.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
So just answer the
March 14, 2008 - 12:09 ET by goldbarSo just answer the question. Did Obama come from a rich, privileged upbringing like say--George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton? Provide a link.
goldbar
March 14, 2008 - 12:13 ET by BarkerHillary Clinton had a rich and privileged upbringing? Do tell.
Ignorance is golden.
March 14, 2008 - 12:31 ET by NL207Ignorance is golden. Hillary Rodham is the product of a very much upper-crust family.
"Hillary Rodham was born in Chicago, Illinois, and was raised in a Methodist family in Park Ridge, Illinois. Her father, Hugh Ellsworth Rodham, a conservative, was an executive in the textile industry, and her mother, Dorothy Emma Howell Rodham, was a homemaker. "
"As an undergraduate at Wellesley College ... entered Yale Law School ... She joined the faculty of the University of Arkansas Law School in 1975 and the Rose Law Firm in 1976. In 1978, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of the Legal Services Corporation"
Hillary looks like a child of privilege and political influence all the way. She even attended the same university, Yale, as George W. Bush and John F. Kerry. By your estimation, neither of these gentlemen must be privileged rich kids either ...
If ignorance is golden.....
March 14, 2008 - 12:48 ET by Barker....then you, NL207, shine like the purest flakes. ;^)
Barker, NL207 and all:
March 14, 2008 - 12:49 ET by Mark FinkelsteinBarker, NL207 and all:
Feelings understandably are running high and will continue to do so on many issues from here forward. But I would respectfully ask all readers to avoid the at times understandable temptation to flame. I've succumbed myself at times, but really would ask people to make the effort.
Thanks in advance.
Mark
What flames? I called
March 14, 2008 - 13:02 ET by NL207What flames? I called this fellow, 'goldbar', out for his snide, unsupported attack on a previous post and presented a reasoned argument based on the contents of two web published Clinton bios. 'goldbar' has a lengthy history of snide, lefty comments. He received the treatment he earned.
This fellow Barker has just been challenged. He has little history. Let's see what he does.
NL207
March 14, 2008 - 13:12 ET by BarkerNext time, specify the target of your insult.
NL, Just thought you
March 14, 2008 - 13:13 ET by LeonNL,
Just thought you might like to know.
Hillary's father was born in SCRANTON and worked as a laborer in a lace company.
He was an executive of a drapery company, but he started it. It was his company that he built from scratch.
Hardly priviliged.
I haven't seen you here
March 14, 2008 - 12:50 ET by NL207I haven't seen you here before. Would you like to defend the contention that Hillary is something other than a child of privilege?
NL
March 14, 2008 - 13:20 ET by BarkerI consider every child born in America to be privileged.
To paraphrase Orwell, "some
March 14, 2008 - 13:31 ET by NL207To paraphrase Orwell, "some kids are more privileged than others".
HRC is most certainly a member of that group and her stature there has little to do with any achievement on her part.
NL207- I agree with your
March 14, 2008 - 13:39 ET by goldbarNL207-
I agree with your Hillary bio. Scratch her name from my earlier comment.
I stand corrected. On orthopedic shoes.
Then we agree that all of
March 14, 2008 - 14:32 ET by NL207Then we agree that all of HRC, Bush Jr or Sr, and John F. Kerry are products of privilege?
I couldn't say HRC is
March 14, 2008 - 14:43 ET by goldbarI couldn't say HRC is privileged. Bush and Kerry, yes.
HRC's bios clearly place
March 14, 2008 - 15:42 ET by NL207HRC's bios clearly place her family in the top 5% of incomes. Park Ridge, IL in the 1950's was a very fashionable upper middle class bedroom community. Her father is described as a corporate executive ... someone we would describe as very well off $ wise.
HRC was afforded the most expensive education available at that time.
I attended an elite University of the same stature at the same time. I even crossed paths with HRC at one point. The only reason I was able to attend that University was by provenance of the US Military, who were interested in my services in an entirely different capacity. I did not know ANYONE in that environment who was not either from a well-to-do family or was not receiving significant government support. It is clear from HRC's bio she was not receiving government support. Therefore, she is from a well-to-do family.
It was handed to him
March 14, 2008 - 12:13 ET by BEGRUNTObama was handed his success and future by the evil rich white people, just ask his "pastor". What in gods name does some one with prior wealth have to do with someone who had it handed to him? Stop with the poor black man crap, it rings hollow.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Explain what "was handed to
March 14, 2008 - 12:25 ET by goldbarExplain what "was handed to him". President of the Harvard Law Review is an elected position. The State Senate is an elected position. The U.S. Senate is an elected position.
Going to Harvard and Princeton
March 14, 2008 - 12:33 ET by BEGRUNTIs not an elected position, it was GIVEN to him by the evil rich white people......so your point is??
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
You're absolutely right.
March 14, 2008 - 12:41 ET by goldbarYou're absolutely right. You don't get elected to Harvard or Princeton, but admission to these institutions isn't "handed" to anyone. What do you mean it was given to him by "evil rich white people"? Did he not have the grades necessary to enter Harvard Law School?
Two words goldbrick
March 14, 2008 - 12:46 ET by BEGRUNTAffirmative Action!!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Goldbrick, one more point
March 14, 2008 - 12:51 ET by BEGRUNTWhen I joined the police department, I had to score a 95% to get on, minorities only had to score a 65, 70%. You tell me whats fair, and requires hard work? It is far easier on minorities than others...............
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Well Begrunt, What was
March 14, 2008 - 13:00 ET by LeonWell Begrunt,
What was it? 65 or 70%?
It had to be one or the other. Or perhaps you're just making this up.
Yeah, that's more likely. You're just making it up.
It's good to see such a tolerant public servant. It's sad that you feel the need to lie to prove a point.
The testing requirements are the same for all officers in all police departments. There is no difference in requirements based on race.
Sorry.
He's not making it up. My
March 14, 2008 - 13:02 ET by marpelHe's not making it up. My Dad and brother were cops. He's telling the truth. The civil service exam was much easier for minorities in my City.
Marpel, You've been sadly
March 14, 2008 - 13:11 ET by LeonMarpel,
You've been sadly misinformed.
Testing requirements are the same for everyone. Regardless of your brother and father's negative feelings about minorities.
Sorry, Leon, but Marpel is right.
March 14, 2008 - 13:22 ET by R D HelmI have had several police officers in my family (4). In many jurisdictions, minorities, along with women, are held to a lower standard in job qualifications.
We have had several scandals here in Atlanta with local governments grading minorities on a different scale in order to fill certain quotas.
This has been going on for years.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Thanks, RDH... I also have
March 14, 2008 - 13:41 ET by marpelThanks, RDH... I also have my degree in Law Enforcement, and know exactly what is done on the civil service exam.
marpel,
March 14, 2008 - 14:12 ET by R D HelmOne of these days I am gong to have to travel to Leon's planet.
LOL-I'm just dying to see what color the sky is there. Somehow, I don't think its blue.
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Thanks for the laugh, RD! I
March 14, 2008 - 14:21 ET by marpelThanks for the laugh, RD! I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there's no need to be rude like Leon was. No need to call people liars, etc. It just enflames what already is a touchy situation. We should all just have a good discussion, pro and con, without insulting others.
Makes for better contributions to the blog, I think. :o)
Thanks for the humor.
Marpel, Than it's
March 14, 2008 - 15:17 ET by LeonMarpel,
Than it's incredibly strange you didn't know that the testing requirement is the same for everyone, regardless of race.
The minimum score is the same for everyone.
Fact.
Feel free to prove me wrong if you want. For instance, provide a police departments list of requirements where it shows two different test scores required for the civil service exam for two different races.
Every website I've seen has the same testing requirement for everyone.
Now that you've called me a
March 14, 2008 - 15:22 ET by marpelNow that you've called me a liar also, I will not further this discussion. Hopefully, one day, you'll see the light.
Marpel, You claimed that
March 14, 2008 - 15:24 ET by LeonMarpel,
You claimed that minorities have lower testing requirements than whites on the civil service exam.
This is false. I didn't call you a liar, I just pointed out that your spreading wrong (and extremely harmful) information.
The minimum score required to pass the civil service exam is the same for everyone regardless of race.
While your anecdotal evidence is great and all, you'll have to provide some proof to back up the ridiculous assertion that minorities have lower test score requirements.
The minimum score to pass
March 14, 2008 - 16:28 ET by BDThe minimum score to pass MIGHT be the same, but when one comptitor is subsidized a certain percentage of point in the competitoin by the government hiring activity based on race, then it has the same effect.
You will simply acheive the minimum quality possible rather than the highest.
LOL marpel... ...when it
March 14, 2008 - 15:26 ET by bigtimerLOL marpel...
...when it comes to Leon that is wishful thinking.
Honestly, he's totally off
March 14, 2008 - 15:36 ET by marpelHonestly, he's totally off message of this column. Just to be enflamatory. He has no idea that I was told that because my last name wasn't hispanic, it didn't matter what I got on the civil service exam. That was from the monitor of the exam.
marpel I've sworn off also
March 14, 2008 - 16:06 ET by BEGRUNTI will not be gulled into fisticuffs by that twit again. There's no cure for HUA.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Don't count on it, marpel.
March 14, 2008 - 16:10 ET by motherbeltDon't count on it, marpel.
R D, We're talking about
March 14, 2008 - 15:15 ET by LeonR D,
We're talking about the civil service exam requirement.
This is the same for everyone regardless of race (in most cases, it's 70%).
Sorry but this is the truth.
Leon, its not the exam itself.
March 14, 2008 - 16:09 ET by R D HelmEver heard of a grading curve?
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
NOt only grading, and not
March 14, 2008 - 16:11 ET by motherbeltNOt only grading, and not separate tests. Sometimes they just eliminate the parts minorities can't pass. The North Miami Police Dept. eliminated its swimming test because they didn't have enough blacks passing it.
Leon, are you aware that PC nosense gets people killed?
March 14, 2008 - 16:34 ET by R D HelmThere are times, particularly in the areas of law enforcement and firefighting, that putting unquallified people in certain positions can have tragic consequences.
One example: The Brian Nichols case here in Atlanta.
This man showed up for court one day, took his guard's service weapon, then killed her, the court reporter, the judge, a Fulton County deputy, and later a federal customs agent. This did not have to happen.
You know why this happened? Political correctness, that's why.
Fist of all, Nichols, who is six feet tall and over two hundred pounds, was not even cuffed. This was because some bleeding heart moron decided it might prejudice some people in the courtroom if a defendant was cuffed. That was the first act of stupidity.
Secondly, his only guard was a lone female deputy, and don't even tell me that political correctness had nothing to do with this blatant stupidity.
Nichols had no problem overpowering her and taking her gun. Five innocent people are now dead because the Fulton County Government was more interested in being "stylish" than protecting innocent people.
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RD,
March 14, 2008 - 16:37 ET by tracheostomyEven though I'm prone to believe you on this, poor decisions are not proof of a PC conspiracy.
Who made the call on cuffing Nichols? Names and quotes please.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Trach,
March 14, 2008 - 17:13 ET by R D HelmFirst of all, I live in Atlanta, and I saw the whole thing unfold on live TV. This story has been dissected rather completely around here.
But, since you asked, there's this, this, this and this for starters.
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RD,
March 14, 2008 - 17:50 ET by tracheostomyQuote from link #1. "Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard said he did not know what exactly was done in the way of stepped-up security, but said the deputies were receptive to their request. Dreher said that there were no other officers other than the female deputy assisting with taking Nichols to court. The law requires that defendants on trial not be handcuffed as they enter the courtroom, to make sure the sight of cuffs doesn't unfairly influence the jury."
I see this as withheld information on the part of Howard and whoever passed the law. Who's being held responsible? And still the link was not proof the female deputy was unqualified. Simple lack of numbers = not proof of a PC conspiracy.
Reese: Political correctness and incompetence example No. 1 is the rule that prisoners must not be shackled lest it prejudice the jury. Luckily, the jurors weren't present, but if they had been, watching a prisoner shoot a judge and a court reporter would certainly be more prejudicial than seeing him in handcuffs. I expect even the incompetent people in Fulton County will change that rule.
Agreed, but this is not a race issue, it is a "criminals having more rights than necessary" issue. Sure it's PC alright, but not a damning one in favor of race or gender, just criminals.
Reese: Political correctness and incompetence example No. 2 is assigning a female deputy to escort an unshackled prisoner to the courtroom. Feminism is an ideology, not a description of reality. A 51-year-old, 5-foot-tall female was no match for a 6-foot-1-inch former college linebacker. He attacked her and took her gun. What in God's name would anyone expect to happen?
The proof would be that the female deputy was actually allowed to slide through the physical on the entrance exam. If the physical requirements are too lenient in favor of the female, then this needs to be seen in writing. A whistleblower from the inside would also be acceptable. If the physical requirements are just too lenient period, then it's not an issue of gender.
Furthermore, a 51-year-old, 5-foot-tall male is obviously no match for a 6-foot-1-inch former college linebacker either.
The crime here is that she was flying solo in the first place. That's it.
Reese: For a little bit of history, most law-enforcement agencies used to have height and weight requirements for male officers. Then a federal judge decided that that was treating women unequally.
I read this as nothing but a variant of the liberal "some say" statement.
Get me the name of the federal judge and you got the win. Even a man of the same age, height, and weight of Nichols would have a difficult time taking him down quickly. This is clearly an issue not only of numbers, but also of time.
I believe Nichols would have taken the same risk to get to the gun if he had the time to do so. Barrring that his deputy was freakin' Walker Texas Ranger, then a 1-on-1 struggle would have given him that time he needed.
Reese's article weighs more heavily in favor of pure incompetence, which knows no bias, and merely infers the PC as an arbitrary attachment. <--- So regardless, it needs more work.
Ditto Boortz: Anyone who thinks that the political leadership of Atlanta searched far and wide for the absolute best possible person to lead the department, irrespective of questions of color and politics, needs help.
I would surely feel that Neal is right on this one, but this is still inferred. Has any of these policies changed since the incident?
In my opinion, the Doug Powers article makes the best case. But still, this is inferred. And it still doesn't make the case that women and minorities are allowed to slide through.
Powers: Police and security holsters have two or three separate steps involved in order to remove a weapon. Brian Nichols obviously was familiar with these steps, or else the weapon wasn't properly secured by the security officer.
Was there a follow up investigation that proved either way?
Sorry RD. All I see is a fair case for Political Correctness supporting criminals, but nothing in the case of race or gender.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Trach,
March 14, 2008 - 21:24 ET by R D HelmLook, I am not trying to get into a deep scientific analysis here. This is common sense, really.
My point was, and still is, two things:
1) A lone female deputy had no business being the (sole) guard of a 200lb + former football playing defendant who was in court on a rape charge. Her competence, or lack thereof, is irrelevant here. twenty five years ago, Nichol's guard would have been male, and I am sure their would have been more than one.
2) Nichols should have been, at the very least cuffed and/or restrained in some manner. Political correctness was the sole reason that he wasn't.
Yes, the policies of the County have since changed, but it took multiple innocent deaths to bring that change about.
It shouldn't have happened to beging with.
That's all I'm saying.
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RD,
March 15, 2008 - 16:45 ET by tracheostomyRD: Look, I am not trying to get into a deep scientific analysis here. This is common sense, really.
Anything worth discussing is worth carefully thinking about beforehand. I sincerely do not believe you are giving this topic the consideration it truly deserves. How on earth do you think you can beat the liberal on the facts if you haven't sifted through them yourself?
RD: 1) A lone female deputy had no business being the (sole) guard of a 200lb + former football playing defendant who was in court on a rape charge. Her competence, or lack thereof, is irrelevant here. twenty five years ago, Nichol's guard would have been male, and I am sure their would have been more than one.
a.) You are deliberately combining the dual facts that the deputy was both alone and female. This is an arbitrary correlation on your part, and it is totally unfair to the situation at hand. The fact that she was a lone guard renders her gender secondary, and thus invalid to the discussion.
b.) Her competence in this case is totally relevant, because the very links you cited were accusations of the same. If she had any competence, she would have gone up the ladder, pointed out the unbalanced nature of the security, and the fact that he had tried to smuggle in a sharp object on a previous occasion. She was the last line of defense and failed (presumably) because she was cowed by an administration policy that put her in danger. Stupid is as stupid does. Again, her gender comes secondary to this complete cluster foul-up, and the blame falls squarely within the failure of chain-of-command to take initiative, from the bottom all the way to the top. Simple.
c.) Had this been 25 years ago, then yes, she probably would have been male, but the other security measures would have been in place as well, like say a pair of cuffs. Thus, that final statement cancels itself out, because it is an incompetence issue; and not a gender issue.
RD: 2) Nichols should have been, at the very least cuffed and/or restrained in some manner. Political correctness was the sole reason that he wasn't.
I agreed with this. My previous post clearly stated that as well. However, I have been pointing out all along that this is a politically correct issue in regards to "criminal rights" and neither race or gender, which was the main topic to begin with.
RD: Yes, the policies of the County have since changed, but it took multiple innocent deaths to bring that change about.
So women are banned from security detail, then?
I completely understand "all you're saying," but you're not giving any room for the 6'10 amazons of the world. Sure, it's rare, but it is possible to be 100% gender neutral about a policy without adding liberal quotas that threaten to pull down the overall competency standards of the entire department.
Why can't you just say, "Look, screw the quotas and hire anyone who meets the minimum height, weight, lifting requirements, and a little Kung-Fu preferred on the side," huh?
That's all I'm saying.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Leon climbs out from under his rock
March 14, 2008 - 13:06 ET by BEGRUNTI'm in command staff knucklehead, I think I know. What department do you work for? Not!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Begrunt, You're still
March 14, 2008 - 13:10 ET by LeonBegrunt,
You're still making things up. The testing requirements are the same for everyone.
Sounds like you've been buying into the watercooler gossip of your intolerant co-workers looking for excuses to gripe.
Command staff? A guy with nothing short of utter contempt for minorities?
That's great. Just great.
And failing all else, Leon
March 14, 2008 - 16:14 ET by motherbeltAnd failing all else, Leon goes to his "money shot" : accusing others of being racists.
This sub-thread is crap. . .
March 14, 2008 - 16:21 ET by tracheostomyI got nothing but personal accounts and argument from authority on one side and a nonexistent civil service exam on the other.
Can we get some relevant paperwork, articles, quotes, or (I should be so lucky) a comprehensive list from someone to tip the scales here?
Someone? Anyone?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach, here's just one that
March 14, 2008 - 19:02 ET by motherbelttrach, here's just one that I am familiar with; the link in the posting doesn't work any more, but he quotes from the original article. I remember hearing about this at the time.
Police Drop Swim Requirement
Okay, I'll take it on trust
March 14, 2008 - 19:22 ET by tracheostomyOkay, I'll take it on trust that there was an original article. Let's take a look:
Quote: In an attempt to recruit minority officers, the police department in North Miami, Fla., has dropped swimming as a required skill because it says not enough potential black applicants know how to swim well enough to pass the test.
Who said that again?
According to Boyd-Savage, she sees swimming as unnecessary to being a PO.
I agree with the statement by Pitts, and I only see that race is implied here, but not directly stated or nailed down in an official document obtained by the press.
Thus, the headline is either an unsupported or false implication.
Sorry, you know how I am.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Leon, don't know if you
March 14, 2008 - 13:06 ET by Mark FinkelsteinLeon, don't know if you noticed my post above, but I've asked people to avoid flames. Accusing someone else of a lie is not in that spirit. I would appreciate your cooperation.
Excuse me, but we aren't
March 14, 2008 - 13:00 ET by goldbarExcuse me, but we aren't talking about you and your race for the Whitehouse. Did Harvard just "hand" Obama a law degree?
Your words goldbar, not
March 14, 2008 - 13:31 ET by bassndudeYour words goldbar, not ours.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
My guess is you would be the
March 14, 2008 - 13:44 ET by Free ThinkerMy guess is you would be the first to say George W. Bush was handed an MBA from Harvard that he did not deserve. To argue that Obama has come from some disadvantaged place in society is just ignoring facts. The preacher cited is a racist seeking power by telling blacks that they have no hope in the American dream. He is wrong and his words are absurd. Obama is a stark contrast to this message and it seems odd that he would even associate with such a divisive anti-American figure.
Amazing to note that
March 14, 2008 - 16:34 ET by BDAmazing to note that getting a law degree from an institution is considered the mark of intellect and education, but getting an MBA from the same institution is not.....
Leadbar usually has no
March 14, 2008 - 12:41 ET by Clear thinkerLeadbar usually has no point.
"Abstain from McCain"
goldbar
March 14, 2008 - 12:40 ET by BarkerYou don't think many Americans would consider attending private schools in Indonesia and Hawaii, and attending Harvard after that, a privilege?
Just what is your point anyway?
My point is this: Nobody
March 14, 2008 - 12:57 ET by goldbarMy point is this: Nobody just hands you the most coveted position at Harvard Law based on the color of your skin. You have to be not only brilliant, but you have to demonstrate leadership qualities. Are you privileged? Not necessarily. Harvard didn't just "hand" him a law degree. He had to work for it.
Goldbrick what world do you live in?
March 14, 2008 - 13:02 ET by BEGRUNTYou must live a very sheltered life, did you not read the above post? The bar is far lower on minorities. Ya, I'm sure he worked hard, but not as hard as others. Did he get there on merit? I doubt it highly.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Begrunt, You doubt it,
March 14, 2008 - 13:04 ET by LeonBegrunt,
You doubt it, but do you know?
OF course, not. You're just making stuff up this entire thread.
Leon, you dont know either.
March 14, 2008 - 13:34 ET by bassndudeLeon, you dont know either. Your just kinda making it up as you go along. To deny the existince of quotas in areas of law enforcement, schools, ect. and deny the curve used to get them there is pure ignorance. It is mandated by federal law.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bass, The minimum score
March 14, 2008 - 15:18 ET by LeonBass,
The minimum score required to pass the civil service exam is the same for everyone regardless of race.
This is the truth. Sorry.
Then why the quotas, Leon?
March 14, 2008 - 16:14 ET by bassndudeThen why the quotas, Leon? The exam is graded on a curve, you got points for being a minority, duh. The score is the same, but you score lower on the test. Its the bonus points you get for being non-white.
I work for the goverment. I was hired before others, because I had a 10 point advantage going in.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bass: The only example I
March 14, 2008 - 17:05 ET by BDBass:
The only example I can come up with of verified discrimination in the military that I can remember occurred when I was a midrange captain in mid 1990's when an Army promotion board for the rank of Colonel was given racial and gender "Goals".
The Board met, selected the promotables from the candidates in the approriate list and presented the list to the Army G1 personnel folks who were working on that board who promptly presented the list back to the board and told them to redo it as they had not "Met their goals."
The board met for another day, removed a few people from the list and replaed them with what they believed were lesser qualified candidates in order to acheive the "Goal" presented to them.
The list was published and those on the list began being promoted.
Then, members of the board relased that information to the Army Times and other members of previous boards who had received the same guidance came forward and informed the Times that similar things had happened previously.
Those LTC's who competed for promotion in those boards who were not promoted immediately sued the DOD and all hell reigned for several years as the military attempted to solve the problem.
The people MOST aggravated by this were the members of racial and gender minorities who were promoted by this list who forever after that have had to live with the stigma of "Not being the best qualified' but promoted anyway.
What is the lessson I learend from all of this? There can be no justice when race or gender are considered in any way shape or form by the government for promotions whether these be set asides or goals..
I beg you Pardon
March 14, 2008 - 17:19 ET by docbUnder what swamp stump have you been hiding, Geo.Jr. Obama was raised by a single mother most of his life- his grandparents were not affluent.
He earned his place at both schools and had student loans to prove it. Being an alumna of an Ivy -I can tell you that those are NOT given away..they are earned!
The positions he has been elected to are a result of his character, integrity and personal solutions---NOT HIS MARRIED NAME.
You poor man- such a problem with the truth --just like your candidate- Ms. clinton. Additionaly- your candidate has gone from middle class to trailer trash with her conduct in this campaign.
if I am not mistaken,
March 14, 2008 - 17:52 ET by BDif I am not mistaken, wasn't his dad a havard trained Economic Major, His mother a an anthropologist from Kansas and he attended Punahou?
Sorry, but that does not bespeak of someone from the projects....
that being the case, that
March 14, 2008 - 19:29 ET by red_dragon311that being the case, that Barak H-word Obmam overcame adversity and with his single mother living in the streets became the first Black President........isn't everthing his preacher says ....not true then?
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
goldbar, well, you tell us.
March 14, 2008 - 12:49 ET by R D HelmThis was the school Obama attended in Hawaii. Doesn't exactly strike me as a haven for the impoverished.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
So you don't want your
March 14, 2008 - 13:08 ET by goldbarSo you don't want your children to have the best education possible? My kids go to private school because it offers a better education than public school. We aren't rich. Our priorities are a bit different where our children are involved. When Obama went to Punahou he lived in an apartment with his grandparents.
golbar,
March 14, 2008 - 13:44 ET by R D HelmI'm glad to hear that you don't send your children to government school, as that would be akin to child abuse.
I was simply contradicting the assertion of many, that Barack Obama was born, as Steve Martin would say, "a poor black child."
Not even close.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
goldbar, Punahou is the MOST expensive school in Hawaii
March 14, 2008 - 13:48 ET by upcountrywater"Tuition for the 2007-2008 school year for Grades K-12 is $15,725.
Lunches and snacks are not covered by tuition."
So you like the idea of school vouchers?
HUMMMM?
Iranian uranium; Iranian ICBM's; Iranian satellites..CHANGE is comming BELIEVE in that!
Our schools already accept
March 14, 2008 - 14:11 ET by goldbarOur schools already accept students on "scholarship". If they don't pull the grades, they're on academic probation. Generally, when a student flunks a grade, the parents will yank them out and put them in public school.
No he didn't
March 14, 2008 - 14:08 ET by Caringwhiteguy. . . . and that's the point. Some combination of his own abilities and white society's helping hand got him where he is today. Now he IS rich and privleged. His family income is in the top 3%. He's made it! Therefore Wright's statement "he ain't rich & he ain't privledged" is dead wrong. By your logic if Obama gave $22,000 to Wright's church last year imagine what a "rich and privledged" person would give.
Was Hillary?
March 14, 2008 - 12:36 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltNo, she's got what, 20 years on him? How rich was she when she started out? How rich was she 20 years ago?
No defender of Hillary am I, but this "rich white" is absolute rubbish.
Hillery and Bill have lived
March 14, 2008 - 17:46 ET by docbHillery and Bill have lived off the Gov't dole all their lives..They never owned a home till they carpetbagged it to New York for her Senate run and Bill began to get apartments from the Saudi's and $250,000 honorariums for speeches outside the USA. Oh and the house loan was under the radar...and suspicious to say the least.
yes he is rich and yes he is
March 14, 2008 - 13:48 ET by Free Thinkeryes he is rich and yes he is priviledged. I guess I am missing your point. Are we talking about the same guy? I am talking about the Obama who is running for President and is currently a US Senator.
My point is that he wasn't
March 14, 2008 - 14:17 ET by goldbarMy point is that he wasn't born into money like some politicians. He may be wealthy now, but he didn't grow up in a mansion and drive a corvette that was given to him like John McCain.
Anti-Israel
March 14, 2008 - 11:37 ET by Gat New YorkI am going to be honest knowing that I might get hammered here.
I started out a Democrat and my first election was the primaries in '76. I joined my local Dem Club and before going to a meeting that was going to have the reps of each of the candidates I did research in a college library. I am a faithful Jew but not anywhere near orthodox. So Israel is always one important issue with me.
The research I did showed strong anti-Israel sentiment by Jimmy Carter before he ever thought about running for President. I did not vote for him in either election. But was surprised that the other Jewish people did not bother to look past the party affiliation and his campaign rhetoric which was pro-Israel. We have seen since his true beliefs which are consistent with his early writings.
Other than his campaign rhetoric, we have nothing to base an opinion on with Obama other than his limited Senate record which is empty. Therefore we can only project what a President Obama would do on (1) his past associations and (2) his advisors.
Based on that criteria I truly believe that a President Obama would subject Israel to the biggest war it has ever faced. I never felt that way about any candidate since Carter.
Obama’s affiliation with his Pastor will leave too many unanswered questions that he will need to resolve and doubtfully will. I believe it will turn off many Democratic Jews from voting for him again.
Then there is his foreign policy advisors: Zbigniew Brzezinski (Mika's dad), Robert Malley, and Samantha Power. You could not find more anti-Israel foreign policy experts and should cancel out his convenient rhetoric of support for Israel. While he may have “fired” Power from his campaign, does anyone doubt she would play a major role in foreign policy?
I do not know how any knowledgeable and self-respecting Jew could possible place a vote for Barak Obama. Whatever Jew does is either unaware of Obama’s past and his affiliations/advisors or they place Party loyalty over their faith and support of Israel.
Mika may have been downplaying Wright in support of her father.
Well, yeah...
March 14, 2008 - 11:59 ET by greenfairieI do not know how any knowledgeable and self-respecting Jew could possible place a vote for Barak Obama. Whatever Jew does is either unaware of Obama’s past and his affiliations/advisors or they place Party loyalty over their faith and support of Israel.
I am not Jewish, so the loyalty to liberalism is utterly confounding to me. I think much of it is based on mistrust of Christians because the GOP is widely perceived as the party of the religious. Yet Israel looks more and more to evangelical Christians here for support. Oh, the irony.
ITA that a President Obama would spell big trouble for Israel. No wonder he's the favorite across the Muslim world.
Full Disclosure
March 14, 2008 - 11:43 ET by BarkerZbigniew Brzezinski, former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter, is currently a top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama.
Does Mika Brzezinski ever disclose this information?
She does mention that, along
March 14, 2008 - 11:47 ET by Mark FinkelsteinShe does mention that, along with the fact one of her brothers also works for Obama and another works for McCain. She clings to that Republican brother as to a life preserver, as if it suggests she might be anything but the liberal she is.
Ms. Farraro ?
March 14, 2008 - 11:48 ET by cvgbuckeyeMs. Farraro? was not correct a few days ago that Brother Obama would not be where he is today if he was not black. If he is still a candidate for POTUS a week from now, she will have been ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON.
If Billy Cunningham was not correct a few weeks ago to emphasize Brother Obama as Barack HUSSEIN Obama;;; if he is still a candidate for POTUS a week from now, Billy was very correct.
If Hillary Clinton hung in there last week, in a dilemma of mathmatical impossiblity to win the dem nomination for POTUS, she has been quite privy to the colorful (no pun intended) comments of Brother Wright.
If Brother Obama is still a candidate within another week, the MSMs are the biggest prodiginers of racism on the face of the earth and freedom in this country as we know it is in a very fragile condition. It would follow, then, that racial cleansing has proponents in at least one black church, the democrat party, the left and the main stream media.
I wonder if she spends as
March 14, 2008 - 11:54 ET by mattmI wonder if she spends as much time defending Republicans who are perhaps unfairly castigated by apparent association with people who are considered extreme....Something tells me it's 'no.'
epublicans get defended?
March 14, 2008 - 12:22 ET by motherbeltRepublicans get defended? Surely you jest!
I posted on this early this AM, right after Mika said this (Well after I got my head duct-taped LOL)...it was an offshoot of the AC360 thread...I'll bring it here, it fits here better; I agree with you about Republicans and commented on the double standard:
OK, I just caught a few minutes of "Morning Joe." Mika B. just has me reaching for the duct tape every time!! She says that Obama answered questions about his pastor a year ago, and this shouldn't be an issue!! So Joe says well it's different now, he's the frontrunner, so Mika says well that's the only reason it's coming out now, (like it's a dirty trick). She says Obama has "distanced" himself and that should be the end of it.
So why is it that Repbulicans, and even other Democrats are required to not only "distance" themselves but "divest" themselves of folks like Geraldine Ferraro who make far less volatile statements, while Barack Obama is simply allowed to say "I don't agree with him" and keep him on the campaign?????
Good grief!! Do you think for a minute that John McCain would be allowed to have Bob Jones on his campaign, even as an informal advisor and just get away with saying "Well, I don't agree with everything he says...."
Is this guy going to continue to be Obama's spiritual adviser if he is elected President? If so, shouldn't that be of concern to Americans? Does anyone think he won't try to influence him in the White House??? And we're supposed to just let Obama say well I won't listen to him on policy, and let it go at that?
They should be hounding Obama to cut the guy loose from his campaign. And he should be getting asked, "Is this what Rev. Wright has been saying for all the years you've known him? How could this man be your spiritual adviser for all these years, if you disagree with what he says?
But they won't.
OK. Rant over for now. Time to go find another roll of duct tape.
Exactly
March 14, 2008 - 12:36 ET by kenro85Why does anyone think that Obama has as his advisor someone with whom he disagrees? What, are we supposed to believe that Obama asks the Rev. Wright for his opinion so that he can do the opposite? This whole thing defies believe. Obama is advised by Rev. Wright because he believes the 'good' Rev. has valuable insight. That must mean that Obama agrees with him to a great level. How can this relationship possibly not be a deal killer? I am totally at a loss here.
I begin to suspect what I have been saying all these years may be true. The total intelligence of the planet is a constant. The population is growing.
It's funny how bigotry is
March 14, 2008 - 13:41 ET by mattmIt's funny how bigotry is such a one way street in this country of ours, and the biggest practicioners of it are the very ones who complain the most about it and who accuse others of it the loudest.
Although there is little doubt that if a Republican had Bob Jones or Jerry Falwell as an advisor, they'd be browbeaten to death over it, the comparison is not an equal one.
Jeremiah Wright is an actual racist demagogue and bigot, whereas Jones and Falwell were (are) not, although they have been accused of it...
A better comparison would be if one of McCain's advisors was Fred Phelps, of "God Hates Fags" infamy. (a Democrat, BTW)
Disgusting human being
March 14, 2008 - 12:00 ET by BEGRUNTFrom what I have heard from this so-called "pastor", has to be the most hate filled rhetoric I have ever listened to. If Obama doesn't throw him under the bus soon, he can kiss the nomination goodbye. He has sat in the pews of this "church" for over 20 years. So the idea that he doesn't agree with his "pastor" is a bald faced lie. I now understand why his wife has such a HUGE angry chip on her shoulder. If this country is so evil, why doesn't he go to the mother land, Africa, and see how well he is recieved there. Evil and corruption on levels he has never seen before.....friggin hypocrite!!! I wonder how big his mansion is? How much money has he fleeced out of his following? He is the black David Duke!!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
This guy is no minister.
March 14, 2008 - 13:07 ET by kgThis guy is no minister. He is a discussing racist! He has a sick sense of
what the world is really about. I just watched him humping the podium as he
talked about Bill Clinton and Monica. He is part of the problem, not the solution.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
I saw this show this
March 14, 2008 - 11:58 ET by bigtimerI saw this show this morning, Mika I knew would chime right in with every interrupting utterance she could...what cracked me up was her saying later, why do we have to replay this, this has been out there, when earlier she portrayed innocence about some of this, well Tucker came on later and said he had some of this info. on his show about Wright about a year back, with Sharpton as a guest, he said he got pounded about this, well let me see, the msm has had plenty of time to investigate all of this info. about Obama, Wright, his ties to the church, how long he has been with the church, his contributions to the church, his kids being baptized, he and Michelle being married by Wright ect....
If this had been any, and I mean any repub this would of been uncovered, the person questioned to the utmost, questions like why have you stayed with this church and the Rev. for over 20 years if you don't agree with his divisive racist sermons, Hate America first....this is as Jack Bauer said, Hate Preach.
Mika can stutter around all she wants with her silly interjections of support for Obama, but she is a supposed journalist, why didn't she dig into this? Wait some of her family works for Obama....
This had better be non-stop until Obama comes out and does some explaining or denouncing.
I still want to know where all the money donated to this church goes, where it went from Wright, I saw somewhere today that the IRS is looking into this...'bout time.
Really, bt...she had me
March 14, 2008 - 12:19 ET by motherbeltReally, bt...she had me running for the duct tape earlier (see my comment above)....I don't often turn the TV on but did today. Wish I hadn't.
If she had any integrity, she would recuse herself from her position and just go campaign for Obama on her own time and at her own expense. Or volunteer for his campaign, whatever. I don't care if she's just a talker, not a journalist... Obama couldn't pay for the kind of cheerleading she does for him, in the guise of doing her job.
Howdy mb...I just got
March 14, 2008 - 12:32 ET by bigtimerHowdy mb...
I just got done reading your post above too...
This is one morning I was up around four and decided to check all the shows I usually flip to now and then, just to see if this was going to get any coverage...well let me tell you, I was glad they were, they had no choice as far as I am concerned, and said as such somewhere in all of this yesterday (lol)...what angered me more than anything was the Washington Journal, you should of heard the half hour of calls that were mostly a non-stop phone bank of Obama/Wright/Trinity Church callers, I was screaming...the Washington Journal has become a site for the leftists anymore as far as I am concerned, I have been watching/calling for about 18 years or more, it has gone down hill, but today took the cake...talk about Malcom X, Farrakhan followers and the hate filled racist dumb, yes dumb, callers....
I heard Morning Joe, Fox, CNN and even tried to get in Imus too to check this out...
Yep, I needed my duct tape too...
Btw...I also commented on one of the threads here last night before I clicked off about AC 360...I hadn't listened to all of it yet, with the exception of Roland Martin and some of what Gloria Borger had to say...Cooper was just pooh-poohing it all...I was furious...again!
I know you are as glad as I am that this is finally coming to see the light after all this time of both of us posting about the Church, Wright and Obama.
As far as Mika and her support for Obama goes via the msm, her daddy and brother will be proud...she is doing her leftist bumbling job.
Olbermann and Griffin will probably give her a raise.
bt -- thank you for
March 14, 2008 - 13:39 ET by Jack Bauerbt -- thank you for noticing!
I'm trying to get it into the lexicon. Though I'm sure someone will point out some other shlubb first used HATE PREACH in 1978, or something.
Hey Jack...I though your
March 14, 2008 - 13:44 ET by bigtimerHey Jack...
I thought your hate preach was priceless!
I thank you.
JB
March 14, 2008 - 13:53 ET by BarkerGoogled hate preach. Yours is the first reference to show up (scroll 7th down).
Woo-hooo. My dad always
March 14, 2008 - 13:58 ET by Jack BauerWoo-hooo. My dad always said 'd be the first to invent something one day. Just like Homer.
Though I was hoping it'd be something more like GOOGLE and make me billions.
Ho hum. As Spitzer might say.
Plus... damn... that Keifer Sutherland will get all the credit anyway.
Hey Hey Hey Jack! What
March 14, 2008 - 13:59 ET by bigtimerHey Hey Hey Jack!
What Barker found makes you a first....I told you it was priceless!
Can you do something with that, domain name or something?
Just curious.
But the gleam was in Mika's eyes....
March 14, 2008 - 12:00 ET by Gary HallBut the gleam was in Mika's eyes....
Perhaps not in his eye yet, but his the dream of his candidacy was already a gleam in Mika's eyes!
What does it matter where
March 14, 2008 - 12:03 ET by Chris NormanWhat does it matter where this controversy originated from, pray tell? The fact is Obama's long-time spiritual guide is a hate-filled racist - no matter who brought it up. Sheesh.
Mika is like the rest of the MSM - in bed with Obama/Clinton
March 14, 2008 - 12:29 ET by ballwana13Just the facts.....
Mika is deeply supportive of her father. Most people follow the example of one who is close to them. As an advisor for Barack Hussein Obama (that is his full name and I will use it whether he likes it or not), Mika's father is not only supportive, but being paid by him and could be involved in a senior level position if Obama becomes President, so it is in his and by association, her benefit for Obama to win.
Obama has been and is closely tied to Pastor Jeremiah Wright Jr. He married Barry and Michelle and baptised their children. Michelle is only now proud of her country but for the past 20 years has been anti-American. Pastor Wright is close to screwy Louie (Farrakan) and has stated similar anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-white or make that anti-anybody-who-isn't-black. Barry has been following Wright since about 1985 according to his book. Barry views Wright as his "spiritual advisor". Guilt by association implies that Barry either has similar views (likely) and/or would make a terrible leader (also very likely) as he can't even make a decision to move to a different church to get away from all the hate speech or he won't even talk to his "spiritual advisor" to tell him that he is of a different opinion and follows blindly.
Don't forget that Jimmy Carter was not only one of the worst Presidents but had arguably the worst foreign policy for which Mika's father was a key policy advisor. Again, guilt by association implies that Obama is headed down a path to horrible foreign policy.
Oh yeah, despite the fact that Mika is supposed to be "an objective journalist" (hard to say with a straight face for anybody on MSNBC or as Mark Levin calls it DNCTV, so she can't be publicly on board for Obama, but we know who she is cheering for and will vote for if given a chance in November.
After years and years of
March 14, 2008 - 12:13 ET by kgAfter years and years of Bush bashing isn't it refreshing to see the media change it's tune and support as well as defend a potential president?
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Mika Is A Biased Journalist
March 14, 2008 - 12:18 ET by rammingspeedUs unsophisticateds are figuring out Mika and her ilk. Why aren't Mika and her ilk figuring out the unsophisticateds - that we're all on to her?
Hubris. Stupidity. Liberal. Triple threat.
Mika, Like Hillary, has never been called the N..... word
March 14, 2008 - 12:20 ET by JayTeeTherefore, henceforth and Forever, Mika cannot be Qualifed to talk about Obama . . . She just can't relate...just like Hillary, according to the G.D. Reverend.
I've been called a honky -
March 14, 2008 - 13:46 ET by mattmI've been called a honky - can I be president?
No, matt, you have to have
March 14, 2008 - 14:19 ET by motherbeltNo, matt, you have to have been called "n***a" to be considered....mo-fo n***a would be even better.
Mika tries to ad intelligent
March 14, 2008 - 12:30 ET by McGruffMika tries to ad intelligent comments into the discussion. Too bad she can't. Ask your dad or brothers for the campaign talking points Mika.
I watched Morning Joe this
March 14, 2008 - 12:56 ET by marpelI watched Morning Joe this morning. I use Mika to aggravate me so bad that I have to get up out of bed to take my blood pressure medication. I've posted on other items before how I cannot stand this ridiculous woman. First of all, to borrow a phrase from my son when he was 10 yrs old, "She thinks she's cool, but she is sooooo uncool"...LOL And I don't think Joe Scarborough does enough to squash her stupid interruptions. If this program would just get rid of her and keep Willie and Joe, I'd be a very happy woman.
One thing the MSM does, and I watched Anderson Cooper 360 last night, is they downplay this whole Rev. Wright thing like it's a fantasy of the Conservatives. Anderson Cooper, like Mika this morning, was gropeing for some sort of explanation of this preacher's behavior. He also was poo pooing the fact that Obama has to do something to get rid of this guy or lose the nomination.
What's beautiful about all of these video clips of this preacher is that they can't call us whites prejudice anymore. They have a much bigger skeleton in their closet and it's this Reverend. And Barack's holding this skeleton up like he's an icon.
There is nothing that Obama can say that would convince me to trust him after this. And Gerry Ferraro is still my hero at this point.
marpel, if you are fairly
March 14, 2008 - 13:48 ET by motherbeltmarpel, if you are fairly new here, you might not be familiar with my feelings about Mika B. She is the quintessential ditzy blonde. I've said many times, if she had a different last name, the only employment she would have at MSNBC would be waiting tables in the cafeteria.
And I've since decided the same goes for Chris Cuomo at whatever network he works for!
Thank you, MotherB! Glad to
March 14, 2008 - 13:50 ET by marpelThank you, MotherB! Glad to know we are in agreement... Remember the postings when Chris Cuomo started speaking Ebonics to Barack this week? The height of rascism, that was. I have no respect for him either. He's where he is because of Daddy too.
It used to be Soledad O'Brien who was the biggest Dingbat....
March 14, 2008 - 13:01 ET by krendlerIt used to be Soledad O'Brien who was the biggest Dingbat on network or cable news. I predicted her demise and I'll do the same for this Mika idiot. There's no way this chick will last.
Ever notice she's constantly glancing down at the monitor when she's talking with Joe and whomever to see how she looks and then immediately changing her expression or her posture (e.g., moving closer to Scarborough or striking a "thoughful" pose).
I give Ms. Dingbat 4 more months, tops.
I also saw her segment this morning blasting the pro-Hillary bias of SNL and asking whether a comedy show should pick sides.
Ohhhhhhhh, the hypocrisy...on SOOO many levels.
Democrats & Spiritual Advisors
March 14, 2008 - 13:15 ET by Jack BauerDemocrats really have some bad luck with their spiritual advisors.
Remember when Bill (in the Holy District of Columbia) needed some spiritual, heads-up sexual healing during the Monica imbroglio he called in HIS advisor...
That worked out really well. Especially for the Jayster.
Hmmmm....
March 14, 2008 - 13:20 ET by capavDo you think we'll see an Olbermann "special comment" about this guy??? He sure hammered Ferraro. I won't hold my breath.
He sure hammered
March 14, 2008 - 13:27 ET by Jack BauerI sincerely hope this is not some sort of innuendo against the fragrant Geraldine. Though if you believe the gossip it's unlikely Keefy is capable.
Mark, Do you have the
March 14, 2008 - 13:50 ET by Chris NormanMark, Do you have the response of Scarborough to Mika?
Chris, I watched it...I
March 14, 2008 - 14:23 ET by motherbeltChris, I watched it...I don't have Joe's exact words, but he wasn't buying her line..he said it was important (she aked why was this important now) because he's the frontrunner, and the "crazy uncle" excuse just wasn't enough.
But, Mother, did you think
March 14, 2008 - 14:26 ET by marpelBut, Mother, did you think he was forceful enough with her? I think he gives her a pass to often.
I think Joe tries,
March 14, 2008 - 14:30 ET by motherbeltI think Joe tries, especially with Mika, to keep the disagreement on a relatively friendly level. After all, it's a morning show, traditionally somewhat lighter fare, not a "Crossfire" type program.
I know, but I was hoping
March 14, 2008 - 14:31 ET by marpelI know, but I was hoping he'd make her so miserable that she'd quit. Wishful thinking on my part. I understand where you're coming from.
Not as sharp of a rebuke as
March 14, 2008 - 14:29 ET by Chris NormanThanks mb. Not as sharp of a rebuke as I would've wished. Still, on MSNBC, it's as strong as we can expect. I hope that because the story has spread to CNN and MSNBC, even if they dismiss it as much ado about nothing, the major networks will have to address it in some way. I was afraid it was a story that may be confined to FoxNews, talk radio, and Glenn Beck on Headline News.
delete double
March 14, 2008 - 14:31 ET by motherbeltdelete double
My final word on this
March 14, 2008 - 14:53 ET by goldbarWhat Rev. Wright said was not spiritual or redeeming in any way shape or form. Personally, I don't want any politics of any kind preached from the pulpit. If churches want to preach politics, they can be taxed.
Me thinks that is part of
March 14, 2008 - 14:55 ET by bigtimerMe thinks that is part of the reason the IRS is looking into this very thing gb.
And even though I am a
March 14, 2008 - 15:15 ET by marpelAnd even though I am a Catholic, I agree. I feel the Catholic Church gets too involved in politics. I am a Maronite Catholic, the Eastern part of the Catholic Church. But, when I've gone to the Roman Catholic Church, I just don't think having the flag of Mexico at the alter is appropriate. All Roman Catholic Churches in our City has the flag of Mexico up at the alter. What about every other nationality? Where are their flags.
I believe it was Pope John
March 14, 2008 - 15:39 ET by Chris NormanI believe it was Pope John Paul II who took a lot of the secular politics out of the church when he ordered that priests could not hold elected office and turned back "liberation theology" that was encouraging revolution in Central America. I recall that political rhetoric eased in the church at that time but it looks like it's seeped back again - especially on the subject of illegal immigration.
I am curious, did "Rev"
March 14, 2008 - 15:12 ET by ConservativeRexI am curious, did "Rev" Wright help Obama get off of cocaine, or convince him not to sell it to black folk?
McCain
March 14, 2008 - 15:18 ET by DCC1The only thing worse than Obamas "spiritual advisor" is McCains campaign advisor! Did anyone hear Mac sweep this under the rug last night with SH? McCain basically said that it doesn't matter because you can't choose who endorses you. Then went on to say that some pastor endorsed him and he doesn't agree with him.
HEY JOHN,
LISTEN UP JOHN...
this is not a matter of endorsement John, this is a matter of ties to a racist, anti-semite like this for over 20 years!!! Why haven't you asked why he kept going there if he disagrees with him on everything!
It's one thing for someone to endorse you, it's another for you to go to their weekly propaganda meetings for 20 YEARS!!
And on top of that JOHN, you should call for a full investigation into the tax exempt status of this "church". It is against the law to preach for a canidate like this!!! That is not a church it is a political front group!!
WAKE UP JOHN!
Islamofacists want change too
DCC... I too saw the hour
March 14, 2008 - 15:20 ET by bigtimerDCC...
I too saw the hour interview...I could not agree with you MORE!
As an aside...boy that interview really changed my mind about McCain.... LOL...(just had to throw that in there...I've been listening/watching McCain for years on the senate floor)
What the.....?
March 14, 2008 - 15:42 ET by catnamedjake" He ain't rich, he ain't privileged" ? "God damn America"? Uh, I've been to church (different denominations of protestant, even catholic church) and I NEVER heard a "sermon" like that. Go get him, IRS.....
Mikabat
March 14, 2008 - 17:53 ET by acumenThanks Mika for the pefect lesson on defending the indefensible.
ac... Mikabat ROFL! Th
March 14, 2008 - 17:54 ET by bigtimerac...
Mikabat
ROFL!
That's a good one...fits her perfectly.
That wasn't the term in my head BT
March 14, 2008 - 18:12 ET by acumenThat's the most polite term I could post here.
I cannot believe anyone would attempt to defend this hate-filled so-called pastor. Nor can I believe Hussein would remain in his church for 20 some years and/or claim to never have heard these racist, hate-filled rants.
Doesn't this explain a great deal though BT? Hussein refusing to wear the American flag pin. Hussein refusing to put his hand over his heart. Mx. Hussein's claim of first time being proud of her country followed by America is a mean country, yada, yada.
And doesn't it highlight how ignorant so many people are in this country that:
First and foremost - Would support an obviously deeply disturbed racist pretending to be a Christian pastor.
Second - Support someone for President that would select and support such a racist, hate-monger as a spiritual advisor for most of his adult life.
Third - Actually try and make excuses for this relationship between Hussein and Wright.
Fourth - Overlook and/or ignore this revelation and continue to support Hussein failing to see the satan hiding behind golden tongue.
McCain is starting to look REAL good to me now.
acumen... I agree with
March 14, 2008 - 18:28 ET by bigtimeracumen...
I agree with all of your post to a tee.
Well, with the exception of McCain, but it is what it is and he is the republican choice...and of course he is better that Hill or Obama that goes without saying when it comes to fighting the terrorists.
Mika "I Want To Believe Something Else" Brzezinski
March 14, 2008 - 19:11 ET by BondPlainBondMika Brzezinski, based on watching her each morning on MSNBC for quite some time, has this belief system:
"I know the situation is "X", but I want to believe..."
That is the definitive end of the story for Mika and for many others on the left side of the aisle. Reality is completely and deliberately ignored.
I enjoy the complete seriousness with which Mika's delivers her fluffernutter fantasy commentary, her hard and direct look into the camera, her "I'm not kidding" eyebrow lift at the end. It's hilarious!
Please people--I was raised
March 14, 2008 - 19:17 ET by docbPlease people--I was raised in the South as a Southern Baptist...These people are show biz at the local level. I have heard worse in my churches over the years- hell I have heard worse at the beauty shop or the local coffee shop. These people are playing to an audience to get MONEY... I learned at an early age[ I am 62-wht -female- dem]that you take your spiritual and communtiy sustance and leave the zealots to their screed.These people are CRAZY ..I had a preacher who was Navajo- a greek scholar- a Rhodes scholar- a zealot on white supremecy and he split the church because he was screwing half the church.. Go away. Deal with the issues.
Why did you go to that CHURCH!
March 14, 2008 - 19:23 ET by PawpawNWhy did you go to that or any church that does not preach the word of GOD? And I know Southern Baptists don't just sit in the pews and take it, they get up and leave! So your statements seem to do nothing to help BHO's case!
Is that you Granny Moses?
March 14, 2008 - 20:20 ET by acumenSorry doc but I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Maybe you can enlighten this southern born man that has been going to church all his life and has never heard anything in any of his churches even close to what the wrong-rev Wright has uttered.
Are you saying you were suprised at hearing more hateful speech at your beauty shop or coffee shop than at your church?
And just what is this "communitiy sustance" thingy?
Last, just how many serious Presidential hopefuls did you have attending your church? You don't think a Presidential hopefuls spiritual advisor/mentor for twenty years "playing to an audience to get MONEY", publicly uttering racist, anti-American and antisemitic hate-speech is an issue? Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's elect a man that chooses a shyster to be his mentor as President.
Let me make myself perfectly clear. It's damn sure an issue to this southern man.