How overmatched were the two lukewarm-at-best Republicans that "Today" tossed in against two partisan Dems this morning? If NBC scheduled this unfair a fight for Sunday Night Football, Al Michaels would be calling the play-by-play between the New England Patriots and the proverbial Little Sisters of Mercy.
The Today show's farce of a "voter panel" was invited to discuss politics and the state of the country this morning. With tens of millions of voters to choose from, NBC can of course contrive any cross-section it wants. So the views expressed by the participants say relatively little about the mood of the country -- but a lot about the network's own political bias.
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Host Lester Holt, accompanied by NBC News political director Chuck Todd, chose as his jumping-off point a poll-finding to the effect that 57% of Americans think the country is in decline. All the panelists -- including the two "Republicans" -- raised their hands in agreement with the notion [though not obvious in the screencap, the panelist in the lower left, a Dem, did have his hand up.] Holt began by asking Dem panelist Brian Gibbs [upper right] what put the country in decline and whether he saw a turn-around. Gibbs predictably blamed everything on the war, and said he didn't see a turnaround "right away" -- presumably meaning not until a Dem gets into the White House.
But when Holt turned to Susanne "Susie" O'Neill, the "Republican" in the lower-right, she essentially echoed the Dem: "I think it's in decline because of the war and our really having almost no understanding of the tribal-ness of Iraq."
Really? Then how did we develop such good rapport with the tribal sheikhs in Anbar that they turned on their fellow Sunnis in al Qaeda and made common cause with us?
Susie the "Republican" then got off a line that would have made Michael Moore proud: "I also think we're in a decline because corporations are totally influencing our members of congress and the senate."
Thanks, Susie. We have a couple complimentary tickets to "Sicko" waiting for you in the green room.
Turning to Dem Umair Khan, Holt set up his question on the economy with the most gloomy statistics he could find.
HOLT: Reading the headlines right now, we know where oil prices are going right now, we know where the value of the dollar is, we know where the stock market is going. Umair, you're in law school, you're going to be graduating soon. Is the economy a big, big issue for you?
Stop right there! We know where oil prices and the stock market are. But Lester apparently also knows where they're "going." If only he would drop me an email with the inside info, I could make a bundle ;-)
Umair was only too happy to take his cue from Holt.
UMAIR KHAN: Absolutely, it's a concern. After putting in so much time, hard work and investment, will there be a job out there? Where will we be a year-and-a-half from now, which is when I'm graduating. And the way things are going, the current seems to be going towards a downward trend.
Really? Based on what? Certainly not on the latest job-creation report, which was much stronger than predicted, or the latest GDP number, which shows the economy growing at a healthy pace.
Finally, it was the last panelist's turn. Sarah Hungerford also turned out to be NBC's kind of Republican. You know, the kind who might vote for a Democrat.
SARAH HUNGERFORD: Honestly, I don't think there's, for me personally any one candidate who has stood out to be like, I have the answer to what the country needs. And, you know, I am a Republican, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm solely looking at Republican candidates. We've heard a lot about Democrat candidates lately, and they've been in the news.
Right. As NB's parent, Media Research Center, has documented, the MSM is offering much more coverage of Dem candidates than their Republican counterparts.
But there was no such spirit of bi-partisanship when it came to the Dems.
Panelist Brian Gibbs jumped back in to say there is a candidate who has the answers. Gibbs proceeded to wax enthusiastic about the wonderful qualities of . . . Joe Biden, while decrying that for whatever reason the Delaware Dem hasn't gotten "traction."
Khan wasn't singing kumbaya either. Holt asked whether he'd consider voting for an independent or Republican.
UMAIR: Not from the current field. You look at the issues that we have today. I'm concerned that you still see within the Republican party a lot of fear-mongering. A continuation of what the policies are in the current administration. Whereas with Democrats there is this renewed sense of hope and this desire to take leadership.
The final comment, by Susie the "Republican," could have comfortably come from the mouth of Nancy Pelosi.
O'NEILL: Terrorism is of course a concern, but it's not at the top of my list, because I think we have an awful lot of safeguards in place, and I think this country has many more things to worry about, like our world reputation. People around the world hate Americans, and it's so unnecessary.
Not to worry. Hillary will be sending Bill out into the world as our "roving" goodwill ambassador.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
















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Hillary will be sending
November 11, 2007 - 11:11 ET by CortillaenHillary will be sending Bill out into the world as our "roving" goodwill ambassador. Great, a "roving" ambassador with a roving eye and pathological lying problem. I'm sure that'll make the rest of the world just love us.
www.rhjunior.com/CC/ Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
Liberals afraid of a battle of ideas.
November 11, 2007 - 12:13 ET by pbthinkerLiberals don't want a serious debate on the issues, which is why they'll pick RINO's instead of real believers, for forums, such as this. Any "Republican" who talks about corporations influencing Congress, isn't much of a Republican. How many times have we all heard callers, to talk shows, say they used to be a Republican and then spout all the talking points of the Democratic Party? It's easy to say you're a Republican, it's a lot harder to act like one.
It's sort of like Hillary planting questions, at a Q & A session in Iowa, they don't want surprises. They want people to say what they want to hear, even Republicans, so they leave out the chance aspect by choosing their Republicans very carefully. Who, among us, doesn't believe they've planted questioners at Town Hall forums, in the past? I know I believe they have because there were certain questions that the media picked up on that didn't appear, at the time, to show up on the radar. Did they have some advance on that? My theory is yes, of course.
With our present media, the Republicans will have to work twice as hard to get their point across as the Democrats. The Democrats have a great propaganda machine, in the MSM, and they use it quite well.
Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.
You know that pretty much
November 11, 2007 - 12:27 ET by sublight68You know that pretty much anyone who begins their statement with, "I'm a long-time Conservative and voted for George Bush twice, BUT..." isn't and didn't.
As the economy tends to be
November 11, 2007 - 12:25 ET by sublight68As the economy tends to be cyclical by nature, the best the politicians can hope to do is maximize the strong periods and minimize the downturns.
So, inevitably, there will come a time when the economy is less robust than it is today. What will be the news then? If, in the minds of Liberals and the MsM (sorry, was just redundant and said the same thing), this is a period of doom and gloom, how will they spin a true slowdown, especially if a Dem. is in the White House (aside from blaming it on Bush, that is)?
If people taking out loans they couldn't afford and now face rising mortgage costs indicates a "crisis," how will a true softening in the market be presented.
Typical MsM lead story: "Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!" Ha, ha, fooled 'em again.
impulse power
November 11, 2007 - 12:46 ET by botgas you allude to the news, as reported by the MSM, on the economy will be determined by the party affiliation of the POTUS.
I listened to a financial investment program on the way to work from 1999 until it went off the air in 2005. The market as reported there was vastly different from the MSM view. The difference?, in one case the persons livelyhood is based on accurately predicting investment stratagies and market direction while the others livelyhood is based on pleasing their editor in a politically motivated culture.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
(sorry, was just redundant
November 11, 2007 - 13:35 ET by motherbelt(sorry, was just redundant and said the same thing)
LOL! Is that like the "Department of Redundancy Department"?
Yes, your factual statement
November 11, 2007 - 13:37 ET by sublight68Yes, your factual statement is accurately correct.
Oh, yeah, that's balanced.
November 11, 2007 - 13:37 ET by motherbeltOh, yeah, that's balanced. A couple of hyper-Democrats and a couple of "even" Republicans. All the "Republicans" did was agree, and even added another reason to agree.
Can you imagine either of the Democrats saying "I'm a Democrat, but that doesn't mean I'm looking solely at Democrat candidates,' nevermind "We've heard a lot about Republican candidates lately and they've been in the news." ?????
Sheesh.
MB
November 11, 2007 - 15:01 ET by saw the light"We've heard a lot about Republican candidates lately and they've been in the news."
I don't think any of us would ever hear someone say how the Republican candidates have been covered heavily in the news. The way the coverage has been, it seems that the November 2008 elections are strictly for the coronation of the next democrat president.
"There is a tendency for the world to say to America, 'the big problems of the world are yours, you go and sort them out,' and then to worry when America wants to sort them out." - Tony Blair
I love the "fearmongering"
November 11, 2007 - 13:50 ET by DaMavI love the "fearmongering" rap from the liberals who tell us that the world's oceans will soon be flooding our cities, exotic diseases will spread throughout the world, the icecaps are melting, and we are all doomed, doomed if we don't raise taxes and elect liberals.
Then we hear of how America has turned fascist, that all our liberties are being shredded, that we are one step away from roundups and mass imprisonment and perhaps even grandma could be waterboarded. The military is broken, cannot defend the country anymore, is worn out with terrible morale, the whole world hates America, and on top of it we are headed for economic disaster any day now.
Then we are subjected to a lecture about how conservatives are using 'fear' to manipulate people. As if the news is not full of actual objectively true stories of terrorist bombs, violent Islamists seeking nuclear weapons, and demands that we give up our freedoms to Sharia.
How pathetic that the media found a "Republican" to give the Democrat's talking points.
EVERYONE !!! read DaMav's post above!!
November 11, 2007 - 16:11 ET by MrShyDM, you wrote exactly what I've been meaning to write, and point out, for a while now. You nailed it!! So darn true, and it's sickening...
Here's my scorecard, with your post as reference of course, of how Dem's and the MSM use fearmongering vs. how the right uses it:
LEFT:
1) Daily reminders of the thoroughly scientifically-unproven "climate crisis" and the potential drowning of major cities and disappearance of coastlines... and again, there is something about this EVERY DAY in the MSM, sometimes several pieces/profiles on it, in fact.
2) Daily articles declaring our liberties are being taken away and the constitution is being discarded.
3) References to us spiraling into a fascist state, with phrases like "BushCo", "Cheney/Halliburton", et al, being spewed so often I'm afraid to Google them.
4) Military doom and gloom, yes, also proclaimed DAILY: military is worn out and stretched too far, troop morale is low, Iraq is still a quagmire, or now they just call it a "mess", we need to pull our troops out, etc..
5) We are told repeatedly that the world hates us (thanks to our PR folks at MSM, if indeed they really hate as nearly as much as we're told they do constantly)
6) No matter how robust our economy is, a recession is right around every corner and a bleak outlook is predicted steadily.... this, too, is drummed home to us almost daily on some news outlet, if not most.
7) We are repeatedly told "we are less safe now then we were 6 years ago." I've heard this so many times by liberal media, politicians, friends, that my head is ringing.
RIGHT:
1) We're reminded/told (and really, not enough, and with not a persuasive enough argument to convince the untold numbers of brainwashed lefties and "truthers"... and "closet truthers" whose numbers are much higher, I fear) mostly by just the President -- our Commander in Chief, lest we forget, and mostly press conferences or state of the union addresses -- and maybe O'Reilly here and there and a few other talking heads, that radical islamists are out there wanting to attack us and kill as many innocent civilians, both here in the U.S. and the west in general.... and... they're warning us because.... SPECTACULAR AND HORRIBLE ATTACKS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
Oh, and, quietly there has been no major attack in any major western (US or EU) city for 2 1/2 years (London, which was pulled off by small-timers, really) and before that, 3 1/2 years in Madrid. Just thought I'd throw in that bit of "HOPEmongering" :)
Oh #2.... the other lib word: "hope".... libs and MSM are the anti-hope. Again, all the news has been dreadful every day during these Bush terms, it's unreal. We're bringing TRUE "hope" to the Middle East, if you ask me.
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
Don't forget.. "Vote
November 11, 2007 - 19:43 ET by JerryDon't forget..
"Vote Republican and more black churches will burn.."
"George Bush is going to re-instate the draft.."
"If we get into a ground war with Sadaam's Republican Guard, we won't be able to count all the body bags coming home.."
"Worst economy, no jobs, homelessness, etc.."
"Bush is going to take women's rights back to the stone age.."
"The oceans are dying.. Polar bears are drowning.. Cats and dogs, sleeping together.."
"Global warming... Ice Age... Hurricanes..."
Blah, blah, blah. Name me one issue where the Democrats have NOT used fear mongering.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
The PHONY Republicans
November 11, 2007 - 19:54 ET by fitzfongSmoke and mirrors. This is the same scam Hillary's campaign has going. Get some flak to load up a straw man with a pre-written question or a talking point response. In Hillary's case, the fake question/questioner is there to tee her up for an assured-sounding, Presidential response...as she's clearly incapable of facing legitimate questions and ad-libbing a Presidential response. The two so-called Republicans in this segment were fakes...NBC's nauseatingly transparent attempt to sway Republican opinion to the left by pretending these phonies represent some "trend" in Republican thinking. And we're supposed to accept that this "trend" exists...then change our minds to fit their agenda because "all the cool Republicans" are doing it. Nice try, scumbags. We're not buying it.
Phony Repubs
November 11, 2007 - 19:57 ET by BlondeWhat I'd like to know is when Diane Sawyer is going to "dems for Fred" or "dems for Mitt" or "dems for Rudy" on GMA.
Just sayin'.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Isn't that Babs Streisand
November 11, 2007 - 19:55 ET by JerryIsn't that Babs Streisand in the red dress? "Memories.. light the corners of my... uh.. my.. mind.. misty democratic talking points... of the Republican I were.."
Republican my butt. Did anyone catch her name. Wish someone would do a background search on her.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Oh yea let's get a panel
November 11, 2007 - 23:17 ET by GregEOh yea let's get a panel together to talk about what worries us about America. Nevermind what's strong about America. There could be freakin gold in the streets, zero national debt, the world owing us money, etc etc etc, but as long as there is a Republican president, there will always be that kind of crap panel they just did there. Did we have the worry panels during the Clinton years? (before the slide of 2000 began)