The Mormon and Catholic churches and Jewish synagogues should be forced to register with the IRS as political action committees because they have "crossed the line between church and state" and "hate our country" and want nothing less than the "complete overthrow of the us [sic] government."
So bellows leftist comedian Roseanne Barr in a November 6 blog post, citing support for Proposition 8, conservative sexual ethics, and support for the state of Israel as her reasons respectively.
First and foremost Barr flamed against the Mormon church in a post urging her readers to rally in protest outside the Mormon temple in Los Angeles:
Story Continues Below Ad ↓They have crossed the line between church and state and it will be the issue of gay marriage which they so fiercely oppose (as they oppose women's rights and the rights of child sex abuse victims with their fake pro-family bullcrap legislations) that will reclassify this "church" as the political action committee that it is, and therefore make it ineligible for tax exempt status! they intend the complete overthrow of the us government. they intend to destroy civil liberties and institute taliban like polygamy and child marriage. They hate our country, and want to destroy it's constitution. This they do while paying not one cent for the firemen the police the teachers the roads the parks, the hospitals. they build their own infrastructure with your tax money.
Not satisfied to stop her anti-religious bigotry with Mormons, she turned fire on Catholics and Jews next:
catholic church is a PAC as well-actively campaigning against the constitutional rights of birth control for women, and against child sexual abuse victims being allowed the right to sue their molesters. the pope okayed a new law that adds a statute of limitations that prevent adult victims from the ability to sue the priests that molested them.
the jewish religion is a PAC for aipac [a pro-Israel lobby group].
let's give all of that money to the children of america who are sleeping under bridges tonight, and sifting through landfills in pine ridge for wood to burn for warmth. hypocrites are going down fast now-the tipping point has been reached, hoarders!
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I think Roseanne is just
November 6, 2008 - 18:04 ET by bradbenj5952I think Roseanne is just angry that she is a nobody now and is desperate for attention.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31
I see that Roseanne has had
November 6, 2008 - 18:09 ET by msh1973I see that Roseanne has had another face life and is wearing Sarah Palin glasses....interesting.
Hm. Guess that Kabbalah
November 6, 2008 - 18:22 ET by HockeyKidHm. Guess that Kabbalah stuff she was into a few years ago didn't work out so well for Roseann. She should go over and talk it over with Madonna and Guy--oh, wait. Sorry.
Here's an interesting quote:
Who said it? Why, Roseanne of course. Just last year. I guess she's just angry at everybody.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
I vote we register Twinkies
November 6, 2008 - 18:17 ET by BlazerI vote we register Twinkies as PACS. That should shut her up.
Anyone else notice The Bolsheviks have taken' off their masks since Tuesday, even the supposedly centrist-moderate ones?
You'd think these people were getting ready to kill the Czar and his ministers or something.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Slow news day?
November 6, 2008 - 18:25 ET by pgrossjrHow many people care what Roseanne thinks? I think fat annoying loudmouths should be registered.
roseanne who?
November 6, 2008 - 18:32 ET by katainkentroseanne who?
how About theNetworks and CNN?
November 6, 2008 - 18:51 ET by ChasvsThey need to be registered as official spokes people for the Democrat MF!
On Roseanne and prop 8
November 6, 2008 - 19:01 ET by Smoking HotOne of Roseanne's loved ones needs to take away her keyboard before she does herself anymore damage.
Has anyone else heard the legal argument the ACLU is planning to make in order to stop Prop 8? Essentially they're going to declare the California constitution unconstitutional. By the grace of God, I'm no lawyer, but I'd be surprised to hear even a significant minority in that profession could make that argument with a straight face.
Isn't that delicious irony
November 6, 2008 - 19:23 ET by BlazerIsn't that delicious irony SH? The will of the people concerning this proposition should not be made absolute law in a free election, but the same votes that elected Barrack Hussein Obama for president is.
Move along folks, nothing to see here.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I actually agree that they
November 6, 2008 - 19:59 ET by mostlymoderateI actually agree that they should pay taxes too. I don't like Rosanne, but I agree.
I get it, separation of
November 6, 2008 - 20:26 ET by Conservative VoiceI get it, separation of church and state is just a one way relationship ( rolls eyes )
Why should they pay taxes? Because they happen to have a position on morality that has unfortunately became political due to the gross tyranny of the courts? Do you not understand the Bill of Rights at all? Politcal Speech is not to be taxed...Congress shall make no law!
i'll answer CV - no, he
November 7, 2008 - 15:42 ET by TruthMongeri'll answer CV - no, he does not understand (public "education" most likely)...
hmmm - do labor unions pay tax?
could be some big $$$ there...
whattya think rosannadanna?
Churches or any other
November 7, 2008 - 15:30 ET by deerjerkydaveChurches or any other charitable organiztion get their money from donations. Donations come from the earnings of individuals which have ALREADY BEEN TAXED.
Scaring churches into being subject to taxes is just institutionalized censorship.
I have no problem with
November 6, 2008 - 20:23 ET by Roger the ShrubberI have no problem with religious groups paying taxes.
I think Rosanne left out the one religion who wants to influence government the most: the Religion of Peace.
Roseanne would probably be afraid to bring them up. Her neck can be sliced through as easily as anyone elses.
You do realize that most
November 6, 2008 - 20:29 ET by Conservative VoiceYou do realize that most churches are quite charitable, and that it would be a double tax, since all a church is, is a collection of people who happen to hold similiar beliefs?
Yes, I realize that. Why do
November 6, 2008 - 21:24 ET by Roger the ShrubberYes, I realize that. Why do they get special treatment? The corruption of many organized religions are no different than the currption other non-profits like, say, the United Way, or an insitution of higher learning. The burden of taxes gets placed on the shoulders of us while these groups are exempt. I have a problem with that. After watching the Univeristy of Pittsburgh buy up most of the land of the Pittsburgh neighborhood of Oakland, thus removing millions of property tax dollars fro the city's coffers, and then watch the city's taxes go up to compensate, I have a problem with that.
Roger
November 6, 2008 - 22:10 ET by Conservative VoiceWhy do they get special treatment? Boy that is a loaded question, and sounds quite similar to class envy arguments. How about the city of Oakland do with less? How about abolish property taxes? I mean seriously, they tax our income, and we have to pay rent? That is what property taxes are my friend, rent. Because if you don't pay the government landlord, the landlord kicks you out. Oakland already has a sells tax. Roads and bridges already has money from the gas tax.
Can you not see how that is a double tax? I give money to my religion, with my net pay. And now you want to take even more taxes from me because I give to my church? It isn't the church who pays the tax, its me....and then when you couple that with how my Church helps the poor, education, and such...all things the government likes to claim its their responsibility to do so ( when it isn't ) so that they can collect more tithing in the form of taxes? No thank you. I would rather give to my church than to government.
As far as some organizations being corrupt...ya, and so you want to take money from ALL organizations, even the ones that are good, to the mother of all corrupt monopolies -- the government? Here is a free market idea...if you like the charity, give, and if its all corrupt...expose it...the free market works...you can't do that with government. Failure to pay the governments tithing, and they can take my house, garner my wages or throw me in jail, name me one church that has that kind of power.
Man, you are just p-ed off
November 7, 2008 - 08:45 ET by Roger the ShrubberMan, you are just p-ed off because someone dared bring up the "tax the church" bugaboo. You stated "How about the city do with less", but in the next breath bitch about being "double taxed"? YOU are NOT being double-taxed. Kindly show me where YOU are being double-taxed. You DONATE money, and many get TAX BREAKS FOR DONATING THE MONEY. How is that double-taxing? You paid your taxes once. Your argument is illogical.
I never said churches should be paying INCOME TAXES, but they should be paying property taxes. This fringe benefit of non-profits has been abused to the point that I am considering forming the Church of the Holy Shrubbery to get out of paying taxes on my house.
We disagree on this topic. Let's leave it at that. But, geez, stop being such a drama queen.
Good morning Roger
November 7, 2008 - 09:02 ET by cocodrieI agree with you to a point. The church itself should be exempt but money making properties and investments should be taxed.
we could tax all kinds
November 7, 2008 - 15:45 ET by TruthMongerwe could tax all kinds of free gatherings - like picnics, or sitting on the beach - right now they're get away scot-friggin-free
roger has quite a few problems (ahem) CV - i'd steer clear:)
Or we could tax you
November 7, 2008 - 19:42 ET by Roger the ShrubberOr we could tax you everytime to apologize for a child being forced into marriage.
Whoops! Did that hit too close to home, Dhimmi? Is it time to meet your wife at the bus stop?
Roger
November 7, 2008 - 12:42 ET by Conservative VoiceThere is nothing stopping you from creating your own church Roger, or non-profit organization. But go ahead with your psuedo class envy...I mean seriously your taxes will not go down just because Churches have to pay property taxes. All you are doing is proposing we spread the misery...and give power to the government to punish people because of speech!
I noticed that you totally ignored how I argued that instead of getting rid of the property tax for all...you want to soak them "because waa its not fair".
But go ahead and give tribute to your land lord and King...because by golly they certainly have proven they can spend your money better than you.
Ever notice that people like ACORN, Planned Parenthood actually get tax dollars, The LDS church does not...yet people like Roseanne Barr are dead silent on their complaint.
Fact is Roger the government is over bloated, and if it cut that bloat then there would be no reason to charge rent from you at all. They have the income tax, the sales tax, the gas tax, the cigerette tax, then you add fees, etc. The schools are swimming in money. California gets around $10,000 for each student a year...so a moderate class size of 20 kids, that is $200,000. Are you telling me there isn't enough to give teachers a healthy salary from that, buy a computer for each kid, each year, and still have enough to pay for buildings play grounds etc?
Did you know that on the college level, that many of the schools have so much money, from trusts and grants, they could charge nothing for students and still make a profit? Yet its always big oil we hear about, and how we need to suppliment student loans and call it an investment.
How about a volunteer firefighter? Volunteer Deputies? You see, there are plenty of ways for government to cut back, but they never do! Its always they need more money, and they never do more with it. You can't say the same with a Church...because if it doesn't float for you, they lose on their donations. Go ahead and try that with the great monopoly. Go ahead Roger, pay your tithing to that landlord, because you know he will take care of you!
Btw Roger, it will start with property taxes, it won't end there, it never does. Its still a double tax, because its a tax on wealth instead of on income or on sales.
Wow. Somebody took extra
November 7, 2008 - 19:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberWow. Somebody took extra "jump the shit out of conclusions" pills this morning.
I would laugh at this thread's path, but I think you are serious.
Roger
November 7, 2008 - 20:50 ET by Conservative VoiceBy all means Roger please explain to me how I am wrong.
Church of Abortion
November 7, 2008 - 12:58 ET by mbs6Your righteous indignation would be better directed at the Church of Abortion. The government forcibly takes some of my income to fund that Church. There is no Catholic Charities tax on your earnings.
The difference is that
November 7, 2008 - 15:33 ET by deerjerkydaveThe difference is that churches or any other charitable organiztion get their money from donations. Donations come from the earnings of individuals which have ALREADY BEEN TAXED.
Scaring churches into being subject to taxes is just institutionalized censorship.
Legal Opinion
November 6, 2008 - 21:21 ET by JDWCan the appeal go past the state supreme court (assuming they take it)?
JDW
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My 2-year old
November 6, 2008 - 22:15 ET by MPayneMy 2 year old ate a lot more Applesauce than normal the other day. He had the biggest, smelliest Roseanne Barr in his diaper; it was crazy...
" Courage - a perfect sensibility of the measure of danger, and a mental willingness to endure it. " - William T. Sherman
Isn't that woman due back
November 6, 2008 - 22:38 ET by rbosqueIsn't that woman due back at the lab to get her bolts tightened?
More loons come out of the woodwork...
How have the Mormons built
November 6, 2008 - 22:56 ET by sugarandsassHow have the Mormons built their infrastructure with tax money? The Mormon church (proper name Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) does not use public funds to build its churches, temples, etc. And the Mormons DO pay for roads, firemen, police, etc. The members of the church pay state, sales, property, federal, and Social Security taxes. (And whatever else I missed). It would be a double taxation to tax the churches as well.
As a social institution,
November 7, 2008 - 04:20 ET by IamTinmanAs a social institution, the LDS church is the equal of any other. It supports it's ill and disadvantaged, and provides a moral compass for its children. It emphasizes the value of education and you will find mormon youth and adults have among the highest level of learning of any religion. They sacrifice for their church by going on missions and for their country by military service.
The bible that they follow is the same as catholics and protestants, blacks and whites, and it says that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Support for Prop 8 came from all over the public spectrum. Black, white, catholic, muslim all spoke out in favor but for some reason the Mormons were singled out by the anti prop 8 mobs who were worse than the people they were so angry with.
And so it begins
November 7, 2008 - 01:13 ET by Conservative Voicehttp://slog.thestran...
So how many of you are going to go sleepy sleepy, because it "doesn't effect you?"
Honestly
November 7, 2008 - 02:17 ET by mikepatrPlease, PLEASE stop giving these idiots the time of day.
Have you heard that celebrity opinions are like celbrity as... that's right. They've all got one. Fortunately for America, what Rosanne thinks doesn't make one damned bit of difference.
Taxes
November 7, 2008 - 10:23 ET by mbs6A couple points:
1) Prior to the income tax amendment, churches were always allowed to offer opinions. Taxation is now used as a tool of government to silence/influence certain groups, in particular religious ones. I don't think that's a principle we should get behind.
2) Mormons (like myself) donated money as individuals with post-tax money. In other words, I earned an income, had Federal Income Tax, Social Security, Medicare, State Income Tax, and State Disability Insurance withheld from my earnings and sent to the government. With what remained I made my contribution to prop 8. The contributions I made were in no way tax exempt, and the church itself made essentially no direct donation to the cause. The church was nothing more than a private club urging its members to a certain plan of action. I might add that some of the tax I pay to the government goes to fund Planned Parenthood, a group I consider to be downright evil. I would not support a tax funding my church.
Amen brother.
November 7, 2008 - 15:35 ET by deerjerkydaveAmen brother.