FNC’s Brit Hume, in his Monday “Grapevine” segment, undermined CBS’s Sunday night 60 Minutes scoop about Karl Rove’s smear efforts to destroy former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman, a Democrat now in federal prison for bribery, “some say, only because of his politics,” CBS’s Scott Pelley framed his story. Hume relayed how “Rove says he does not recall ever meeting the woman who is accusing him of asking her to help dig up dirt on” Siegelman “and he say he was never given a chance to respond to the charges she made Sunday on 60 Minutes.”
Specifically, Jill Simpson “said Rove asked her to get pictures of Siegelman in a compromising sexual position with an aide” but, Hume pointed out, “the Associated Press reports Simpson has never made that allegation before -- despite several hours of interviews with congressional lawyers, reporters and a sworn affidavit.” As for CBS’s claim they had “contacted Rove” for a response, Hume noted:
But Rove and his lawyer, attorney Robert Luskin, say CBS brought up the allegations only in an off-the-record telephone interview last October. Luskin says, quote: "After 60 Minutes made the decision to publicize these charges, no one from 60 Minutes approached Mr. Rove or gave him an opportunity to respond on the record," end quote.
Kyle Drennen’s earlier NewsBusters posting, “CBS’s 60 Minutes: Karl Rove Part of ‘Covert Campaign to Ruin' Democratic Governor,” has much more on the lead story from Scott Pelley on the February 24 60 Minutes.
For much more on the absurdity of CBS’s story, check posts by Quin Hillyer on the American Spectator site, The False and the Absurd, and on the magazine’s blog site, 60 Minutes Sinks Even Lower. A reprint of the latter post:
The 60 Minutes report tonight was even worse than I expected – and I expected it to be awful. In fact, it was execrable: easily the worst journalistic ethics I have ever seen in my life.
First, the “expert” given the most air time to allege that Democratic former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, now serving time for bribery, should never have been prosecuted in the first place was “Republican” former Arizona AG Grant Woods. Two points. First, how the heck would Woods know? He was in Arizona, not Alabama. Second, despite 60 Minutes going to great lengths to stress that Woods is credible specifically because he is a Republican criticizing other Republicans, the truth is that Woods is hardly a GOP stalwart. As long ago as October of 2002, he was publicly threatening to bolt the GOP and become a Democrat. A quick Google search seems to show that he takes the “liberal” side in most of his law cases (I will gladly correct myself if proved wrong on this); for instance, he most recently was in the news for agreeing to prosecute a border patrol agent who shot an illegal immigrant. And in 2006 he publicly supported Democrat Harry Mitchell in his bid to unseat conservative Republican U.S. Rep. J.D. Hayworth. Some Republican Woods is! And again, he is in Arizona, not Alabama. What a joke.
But as a journalistic sin, the prominent attention given to Woods is child’s play compared to the airing of the utterly bizarre allegation by ditzy-sounding Alabama attorney (and supposed one-time Republican “operative”) Dana Jill Simpson that Karl Rove “approached” her at a 2001 “meeting” and asked her to try to photograph Siegelman in sexual acts with an aide. On air at least, though, 60 Minutes did not even bother to ask her the most obvious of follow-up questions to test her story. Such as: Exactly where did this supposed meeting take place? Exactly when in 2001? Was anybody else present? What was the meeting about? Why did Rove have any reason to think she, of all people, could find Siegelman in flagrante, much less photograph him? Did Rove ever follow-up with her to find out if she had been successful? Did she tell anybody else at the time about Rove’s supposed request? And so on….
As I noted in my earlier column, there is absolutely no reason to believe the woman, and not even any logic that would explain Rove’s interest in such a project in Alabama while he was busy getting settled into his first year at the White House, a full year before the Alabama governor’s race.
I mean, the entire story is ludicrous on its face. And 60 Minutes now has good reason to look up to the National Enquirer as a exemplar of journalistic ethics and accuracy to which 60 Minutes can only hope to aspire IF 60 Minutes would spend years improving its product.
Hume’s February 25 Grapevine item in full from Special Report with Brit Hume:
Karl Rove says he does not recall ever meeting the woman who is accusing him of asking her to help dig up dirt on the former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman and he say he was never given a chance to respond to the charges she made Sunday on 60 Minutes. Rove, of course, is the former top political adviser to President Bush and is now a Fox News contributor.Sunday night, an Alabama lawyer named Jill Simpson said on CBS's 60 Minutes that Rove was behind an effort to derail Democrat Siegelman's effort to win back his office in 2006 -- after losing it four year earlier. Simpson said Rove asked her to get pictures of Siegelman in a compromising sexual position with an aide. But the Associated Press reports Simpson has never made that allegation before -- despite several hours of interviews with congressional lawyers, reporters and a sworn affidavit.
60 Minutes said in its piece, quote: "We contacted Rove. Through his lawyer, he denied Simpson's allegations." But Rove and his lawyer, attorney Robert Luskin, say CBS brought up the allegations only in an off-the-record telephone interview last October. Luskin says, quote: "After 60 Minutes made the decision to publicize these charges, no one from 60 Minutes approached Mr. Rove or gave him an opportunity to respond on the record," end quote.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





The 60 Minutes report tonight was even worse than I expected – and I expected it to be awful. In fact, it was execrable: easily the worst journalistic ethics I have ever seen in my life.
60 Minutes said in its piece, quote: "We contacted Rove. Through his lawyer, he denied Simpson's allegations." But Rove and his lawyer, attorney Robert Luskin, say CBS brought up the allegations only in an off-the-record telephone interview last October. Luskin says, quote: "After 60 Minutes made the decision to publicize these charges, no one from 60 Minutes approached Mr. Rove or gave him an opportunity to respond on the record," end quote.














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This was just an
February 25, 2008 - 21:26 ET by SMGalbraithThis was just an awful piece of journalism by "60 Minutes". Sloppy, sensationalistic and tendentious.
As I noted elsewhere, here are three links for details on this story:
1) Opinion piece by Quinn Hillyer who was editorial page editor of the Mobile Press-Register, the paper which broke the story of Siegelman's corruption;
(2) A pre-response to the "60 Minutes" piece by the Register reporter who wrote the stories, Eddie Curran;
(3) A link to the more than 100 stories by Curran on the political corruption of Siegelman's.
That last link is quite extensive.
The accusations against Rove by Ms. Simpson have changed repeatedly. And each time they make less and less sense.
Do you think Hume would do a
February 25, 2008 - 21:31 ET by balboaDo you think Hume would do a similar story if Rove were a Democrat?
Huh?
February 25, 2008 - 21:40 ET by needleHas the MSM produced any such hogwash about a Democrat recently? Say in your lifetime?
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Do you, Bal?
February 25, 2008 - 21:41 ET by BlondeIf so, why?
And if not, why not?
Inane question returned right back atcha.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I have suspicions. Seems
February 25, 2008 - 21:47 ET by balboaI have suspicions. Seems interesting for him to come riding to Rove's defense. Not sure he'd be interested in doing the same for a Democrat because I imagine he sees his role at FNC to be a lot like those here.
Okay, Bal
February 25, 2008 - 21:54 ET by BlondeKindly lay out those sneaky suspicions.
You're still just kind of laying down alot of dissembling.
Get specific for once....please.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
bal
February 25, 2008 - 22:06 ET by MrShyLet me drum this home...
Fox leans right, yes, got it (and... uh DUH!) We all know this. And thank God we have them to tilt the pendulum back just a little -- which is still not nearly enough.
I'm not going to list the litany, yet again, of all other outlets that we all know are fully left-leaning. FNC are so outnumbered, it's not funny. I will also take this further and tell you that Fox works a lot harder than those others at presenting the news down the middle.
Arg.
Thankfully, YES, we have a channel that will call into question all of the Dan Rathers, 60 Minutes, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermans, Bill Moyers, Hollywood, and on...... and on....... aaaaaand ooooon.....
We bid a fond farewell to Professor Talking Points & Cheetos
I don't think I questioned
February 25, 2008 - 22:13 ET by balboaI don't think I questioned any of that, did I? I asked a question.
bal -
February 25, 2008 - 22:30 ET by drillanwrI'll answer you honestly ... and to the best of my ability (in general terms).
Yes.
I don't believe/think you'll find a more honest and responsible news(person) in the MSM new biz these days than Britt Hume. The man has integrity and fairness. I, personally, trust him with the news ... facts, warts and all.
While I cannot cite for you specific stories Hume has covered over the years that relate specifically to your question, being a conservative and by that a republican, I can tell you that I have found myself "cringing", on more than one occassion, at a story Hume has reported regarding a republican.
Hope that helps ... It's all I gots ...
When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy… ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks
bal... & drillanwr
February 25, 2008 - 22:42 ET by MrShyI honestly don't know Hume's record like Drill does, so I'm going to second his emotion/opinion :p He probably would, yes... or, maybe he would not seek out this story as much as he did the Rove one, not sure.
But I, like D, also find Hume, and some others on FNC, to not be blowhards that love their own voice, and appear to be real, down-to-earth news messengers and truth-seekers.
SOCKS THE CAT 2008... for REAL Change
Fair enough. I respect your
February 25, 2008 - 22:48 ET by balboaFair enough. I respect your opinion. Thanks, drill!
bal and MrShy -
February 25, 2008 - 23:06 ET by drillanwrOne more point about Hume ...
Unlike most/many you see front and center on the TV screen on newscasts, he is NOT some "news reader" (see Katie Couric, for example) ... Hume makes himself responsible to work WITH those around him who help gather the news and he knows his story (and any history behind it) has been vetted to the fullest possible extent ... before going to "air" with it ... AND if he happens to report in error, I HAVE seen him make the correction in a following night(s) newscast.
I'm not trying to sway or convince you one way or another, balboa ...
I just know from working in the "business" (yes, several years ago ... but it SHOULD NOT have changed ...) when I am seeing lazy reporting and journalism ... and man-o-man, is the MSM, broadcast and print, soooo filled with that today. It is journalistic malpractice, and sometimes malfeasance.
I can't tell you how many really good stories I wanted to jump on my next newscast with, but my PD and news director both said, "You got two sources? ... Not enough ... Get two more, and then air it ..."
When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy… ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks
Have you ever read any
February 25, 2008 - 23:09 ET by balboaHave you ever read any relevant criticism of Hume?
Such as?
February 25, 2008 - 23:26 ET by drillanwrLook, I'm NOT idolizing the guy ...
I'm only pointing out he actually does his job ... Most in the news industry don't these days. I don't go looking much beyond a blog such as NB for critiques of these people ... (and that's usually only when what they have done/reported/fictionalized has become an issue. And, in general, opinion has subtly replaced cold hard facts.)
Was a time when you really didn't have to do that. But for some reason the MSM felt the need to become the story, instead of reporting it.
When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy… ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks
For instance, I can find something
February 25, 2008 - 23:34 ET by balboaFor instance, I can find something from Media Matters that criticizes Hume, but I don't know if there's a story that you've ever heard solid criticism of Hume for having gotten something wrong or been on the wrong side of an argument.
Again, just curious.
bal -
February 25, 2008 - 23:57 ET by drillanwrWhen I said he's had to correct something in a following broadcast it's usually been something like a detail, or an error in something/someone cited ... nothing major, that I know of ... Certainly NOTHING the likes of Dan Rather ... But as has been pointed out on this site there are many times when news agencies have done things completely wrong and NOT come back to correct it.
Listen, you're getting the "news" via many past "third party" ... There will be mistakes and errors ... But what is going on here is deliberate and calculated.
What I find very interesting is last week, and continuing this week, the media chewing up and spitting out the NYTimes for the McCain fiasco ...
When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy… ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks
How is the heck does one
February 26, 2008 - 09:13 ET by general companyHow is the heck does one measure Brits reputation to this obvious bias garbage? Ridiculous, why don't you watch for yourself Bal, instead of assuming your insinuations to be relevant. Good grief
This crap is completely malicious and you wont find anyone short of Geraldo/Colmes doing it at Fox. Think I am wrong, proove it!
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
I asked a simple question,
February 26, 2008 - 09:51 ET by balboaI asked a simple question, drill responded. That's all.
Close
February 26, 2008 - 01:31 ET by ArcherBMostly right. In order to be completely correct, you must have something to compare Fox to. Fox leans right when compared to the other news networks. Fox leans right when compared to the Berkely local papers. Fox leans right when you tilt your head to the left. And, maybe even, Fox leans right in primetime when O'Reilly is on.
But you can't state that Fox leans right without something to compare it to. Fox does NOT lean right when compared to the general American public. Fox does not lean right when compared to "middle America". No network that leans to the right would have Maria Liasson (SP?) and Juan Williams as talking heads. No right leaning network would employ Geraldo and Colmes. Fox might lean right when it tells the story from the right, but it imediately balances itself back out when it tells the same story from the left.
For the most part, Fox does an excellent job showing both sides of the story, which is exactly twice the story you see on any other network. Because every other network only shows the left side of the story, Fox, who makes and effort to be fair and show both sides, appears to be on the right.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara
I believe he would
February 26, 2008 - 01:13 ET by well99I have seen him say it was nonsense on some attack on a Dem before.Him and Chris Wallace are only journalist I trust to be honest.I like Lou Dobbs but the point is Brit has integrity.
Do you think Hume would do
February 25, 2008 - 21:55 ET by SMGalbraithDo you think Hume would do a similar story if Rove were a Democrat?
If Rove wasn't involved, would Hume have had to do one?
I.e., CBS only did the story because Rove was accused of orchestrating things.
Let's remember who's the guilty party here.
bal -
February 25, 2008 - 22:35 ET by drillanwrSMG makes a very good point here too.
Let's NOT forget CBS has a history of throwing out "fiction" as news stories (See Rather-gate) ... THEY have a responsibility to their viewers ... and they are obviously NOT meeting that responsibility. So, someone such as a Britt Hume on another network is NOT going to just let them get away with it.
It is CBS's and Scott Pelly's faults THEY became the story ... Just as it is/was the NYTimes's fault they became the story last week ... and NOT John McCain.
When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy… ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks
Of course not, and the
February 25, 2008 - 23:52 ET by Sonny LykosOf course not, and the reason is because virtually every segment of the MSM would have done it while circling the wagons.
The journalistic equivalent of avian bird flu
February 25, 2008 - 21:38 ET by needleHoly cow! And this on the heels of the NYT’s fraudulent journalistic hit job on McCain, and then the ghost of Dan Rather actually emerging to bless it – No! Wait! It was the real flesh and blood creep himself!
Jumping Jehoshaphats! We could be in the verge of the journalistic equivalent of avian bird flu!
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
CBS at it as always
February 25, 2008 - 21:44 ET by planetrepublicanLooks like CBS is still using the Cronkite-Rather smear journalism tactics.
60 Deceits
February 25, 2008 - 21:55 ET by needleQuin Hillyer: “As I noted in my earlier column, there is absolutely no reason to believe the woman…”
Oh, yes there is! This vixen is saying just what CBS’s Scott Pelley wants for his next “60 Minutes” outrage. Authenticity? Phth! Who needs that?!
“60 Minutes”? Let’s call it “60 Deceits.”
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
These libs just can't forgive Rove
February 25, 2008 - 22:23 ET by Free StinkerThese libs just can't forgive Rove for helping get GWB elected and re-elected.
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
That pesky Mr
February 25, 2008 - 23:04 ET by FishFace222That pesky Mr Hume--questioning the integrity of a competitor by using facts and stuff. The cojones.
I just love that over-used
February 25, 2008 - 23:31 ET by bigtimerI just love that over-used word ...recall.
this being used ad nauseum by both sides of the aisle when it is a political lying word to obfuscate matters..and this is being used by supposedly the most educated smartest people in the word...that are leading us down the pike to socialism by both sides of the party....
Ooops I don't recall what my point is here...
...anybody follow that?
LMAO!
No excuse
February 26, 2008 - 13:18 ET by chuckoOn the record or off, Rove had a chance to respond to these charges (by Simpson) and knowing his past, I would likely believe Jill more than him. Unlike McCain, I would not give Rove the benefit of the doubt. Regardless of who is responsible, Siegelman does not belong in jail. That's why 52 former attorneys-general of both parties are with Woods on this and want Congress to investigate his case. Heck, if Libby gets pardoned, or should I say commuted, so should Siegelman.
And as for the Spectator article, they have some valid criticism of the 60 minutes report, but not this statement: "And in 2006 he [Woods] publicly supported Democrat Harry Mitchell in his bid to
unseat conservative Republican U.S. Rep. J.D. Hayworth. Some Republican Woods is!" Hayworth was one of CREW's 20 most corrupt congressmen in 2006. Maybe if the Republicans had a Republican alternative to him, Woods would've supported him instead of a democrat, right? I'm glad you answered in the affirmative.
UPDATE: I know this is from the Huffington Post, but if true, this is just nuts, I don't care what party or country you're in: "If you recall, Ms. Simpson testified, under oath, to Congress about Karl Rove’s involvement in politicizing the DOJ.
What you may not know, however, is that her house mysteriously caught fire and she was run off the road in the weeks leading up to her
testimony.
What you may also not know is that Governor Siegelman’s house was broken into twice during his trial as was his attorney’s office."
Siegelman may be a wife cheater, I don't know, but if you're a believer in true justice in this country, what's happened to him and now a whistle blower like Ms. Simpson, whether Rove was involved or not is just plain unAmerican.
Let Them Speak
February 26, 2008 - 01:21 ET by rammingspeedIt would appear that Bush Derangement Syndrome has driven people to extremes heretofore never dreamed of. The Nazi's 1930s propaganda sheet - Der Sturmer - went unchecked, due of course to repression and a logistical inability of people to get the truth out. 60 minutes, and all the others of the MSM, do not have that luxury. These people are messing in their own seats, they've lost the ability to understand that others see things differently, or at least have open minds.
People in America today have access to the whole story, and the MSM is destroying itself by coming up with cockamamie, lying stories that only impress their blind followers..
I’m not conversant with
February 26, 2008 - 01:40 ET by maggieqpublicI’m not conversant with the details of the 60 Minutes Rove allegations. And I don’t know much about the minutiae of Carl Rove’s years in the White House. But I am familiar with the constant drumbeat about Carl Rove coming from the MSM… he has been scapegoated throughout the years of the Bush administration.
When Rove made his first media appearances after leaving the White House, I was expecting an irritable, sinister and arrogant man. Instead, Rove comes across as a pleasant, mild-mannered gentlemen who can break down the voting patterns of a congressional district… and make it interesting. Until the hyper-critics (at CBS and elsewhere) come up with the criminal “goods” on this much-despised man, I will continue to enjoy his well-informed political commentary.
I agree with your
February 26, 2008 - 03:01 ET by rbosqueI agree with your assessment. Every time Rove is brought up by the media it's usually to demonize him. He was the Republican stratagist for Bush and the left hates him with an irrational passion. I can't remember a Democratic stratagist ever get that treatment from the MSM. This is nothing more than a vendictive hit-piece.
Changing Favorites
February 26, 2008 - 05:23 ET by CaringwhiteguySounds like MSM has a new FAVORITE REPUBLICAN from Arizona.
NYTimes and 60 minutes
February 26, 2008 - 05:38 ET by well99Are they competing for worst journalist of the year?No bias here...righttt
Rocky
February 26, 2008 - 09:39 ET by kdizzydazeIt's a fair question.
But for me the issue is the fact that the MSM has yet to do any type of hatchet job on a Democrat to debate the point.
Still - a fair question.
Why Rove..Why Now ?
February 26, 2008 - 10:15 ET by JayTeeI'm sorry, but I just don't understand the MSM focus on Rove...
Perhaps I don't really understand how the MSM feels about Bush and Comapany...but to me, it's sorta NON News...
Rove is on Fox, and he has a HUGE opportunity to Respond. He isn't on the sidelines as a spectator, and it's not a situation where the MSM can Slam him and poor Rove can't get Air time to Respond....I think 60 minutes has screwed up by attacking a semi-retired former political player....now turned pundit with Air time and a HuGe listener audience on Fox.
Slam back, Rove
First of all, if Rove truly
February 26, 2008 - 14:27 ET by goldbarFirst of all, if Rove truly believes he was wronged by CBS then he should take legal measures. I'm sure if he was squeaky clean there would be quite a payday in it for him, without ever having to appear in court.
Second, why does he get to dodge a subpoena?
The dogey laws make it near
February 26, 2008 - 15:20 ET by Dan The Man 2The dogey laws make it near imposible for a politician or public figure to sue. Then if you do it will wind in the courts for many many years. It is clearly a case of he said she said and not much can be proven in the short run. So the easiest route is to refute teh styatements providing facts or asking questions leading to facts. Only the few fight the wronful accusations because they have long term financial interests like Clemmons or some people do it on principle.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
What we're seeing now is
February 26, 2008 - 12:40 ET by FlashmanWhat we're seeing now is just the MSM dinosaur thrashing around wildly as it realises it's irretrievably stuck in the tar pit of history.