Matching the theme of NBC Nightly News from the evening before, the Today show on Friday morning portrayed Republican Senator John Warner's call for 5,000 troops to return home by Christmas as “a major defection” and “sharp rebuke” to President Bush, but to the astonishment of co-host Matt Lauer, who described Warner as “a pretty heavy domino” falling against Bush, guest Bill Kristol rejected the media's presumptions about the importance of Warner's stand. On Thursday, NBC anchor Brian Williams had hailed a possible “turning point in the debate over America's involvement in Iraq” because of “a major defection from President Bush's camp.” (NB rundown of Thursday night hype of Warner) Friday morning, Andrea Mitchell echoed Williams as she trumpeted “a major defection from the most authoritative Republican Senator on all things military. It is a sharp rebuke to the President” from “the Senate's most influential Republican on the Armed Services Committee.”
When Kristol made clear he didn't think Warner's comments were such a big deal since he remains opposed to a pull-out timetable, Lauer argued: “What about the signal it sends to moderate Republicans in Congress? You know everybody talks about some sort of large scale defection. Isn't John Warner a pretty heavy domino?” Kristol countered: “No, because it hasn't fallen. He's not going to vote against the President in September, that's the more important thing.” Turning to the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq, which Mitchell had described as “grim,” Kristol highlighted positive findings about defeating al-Qaeda, prompting an incredulous Lauer to wonder: “Are they looking at the same country that you just saw?” Lauer soon insisted: “It paints a much more pessimistic picture than you just painted for me.”
The MRC's freshest news analyst, Kyle Drennen, provided a transcript of the coverage on the August 24 Today show on NBC:
MATT LAUER, 7am tease: On the way out. The out-going Chairman of the Joint Chiefs will reportedly urge President Bush to cut the number of U.S. Forces by almost half, a day after a key Republican Senator said it is time to start bringing troops home from Iraq.MATT LAUER, 7:06am: Now though to the War in Iraq and storm clouds on the horizon for President Bush. There is a new report out today that says the President's top military man will ask him to bring nearly half of U.S. troops home from Iraq in about the next year. NBC's Andrea Mitchell has more on that. Andrea good morning to you.
ANDREA MITCHELL: Good morning Matt. It could be a triple dose of bad news for the President's Iraq strategy. Today's Los Angeles Times says the outgoing Chairman, Peter Pace, may recommend a major troop cut in Iraq next year because the military is so strained. This on top of a grim forecast from the nation's intelligence agencies and a major defection from the most authoritative Republican Senator on all things military. It is a sharp rebuke to the President, who has refused all calls for a timetable to get out. John Warner, the Senate's most influential Republican on the Armed Services Committee, and just back from Baghdad, says the President should order at least 5,000 troops home by Christmas.
SENATOR JOHN WARNER: We simply cannot as a nation stand and put our troops at continuous risk of loss of life and limb without beginning to take some decisive action which will get everybody's attention.
MITCHELL: Warner says Iraq's government has failed the U.S. troops. Criticism that matches the new U.S. intelligence report, which says despite "uneven improvements in Iraq's security situation" since the surge began, "the level of overall violence remains high. Sectarian groups remain unreconciled. Al-Qaeda in Iraq retains the ability to conduct high-profile attacks" and "the Iraqi government will become more precarious over the next 6 to 12 months." Democrats, like Hillary Clinton, have said Prime Minister Maliki should go. But Barack Obama said that won't solve the problem.
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA: We could have one, two, three, four replacements for Maliki, but if the underlying political dynamic has not changed, then we are not going to see progress.
MITCHELL: All this while Iraq's parliament continues to vacation for the whole month, prompting anger in official Washington and sharp satire from the Daily Show with Jon Stewart.
SOLDIER IN PARODY: Hey parliament, I wish you were here. No seriously, I really wish you were here.
SECOND SOLDIER IN PARODY: You guys enjoy your vacation.
THIRD SOLDIER IN PARODY: Yeah. We will keep fighting for your country for you.
FOURTH SOLDIER IN PARODY: Take the time off. I am sure it is well deserved. You get to see your family. You probably only get to see them, you know, 3 or 4 times a week.
FIFTH SOLDIER IN PARODY: Do not forget to bring to bring me back a souvenir.
SIXTH SOLDIER IN PARODY: You go on enjoy yourself. You Know, ride the little jet skis. Do what you got to do. And I will be here, you know, taking care of your country until you get back. Have a good one.
MITCHELL: That reflects what many in Washington won't say out loud, but Senator Warner's defection does send a strong signal to other Republicans, and of course to the White House, that it's now alright to oppose the President. Matt.
MATT LAUER: Alright Andrea, thanks very much. Andrea Mitchell in Washington for us this morning. Bill Kristol is the Editor of the Weekly Standard and a long time supporter of President Bush's Iraq strategy. Bill good to see you, good morning.
BILL KRISTOL: Hi Matt, how are you?
LAUER: From what I, I am fine thanks. From what I am hearing, you do not think that the John Warner statement is such a big deal, such a huge negative, for the President. Why?
KRISTOL: He said he would vote against Democratic efforts to impose a timetable or impose troop limits. He'd prefer if the President began to draw some troops out by Christmas, I don't think that is based on serious military analysis. He wants to send a signal to the Iraqi government. I think the Iraqi government knows that we're impatient with their progress. I don't think it's a real defection.
LAUER: But In terms of sending signals, what about the signal it sends to moderate Republicans in Congress? You know everybody talks about some sort of large scale defection. Isn't John Warner a pretty heavy domino?
KRISTOL: No, because it hasn't fallen. He's not going to vote against the President in September, that's the more important thing. If you had told me three months ago, and I'm a supporter of the President, that John Warner's, the sum of John Warner's great rebellion, would be that he would prefer that the President at his discretion pull out a few thousand troops by Christmas, I would have said that's fine. The fact is the surge is making progress. The great rebellion that was supposed to happen in September is not going to happen and the President is going to prevail for now.
LAUER: But you just came back from Iraq. I know you were there recently and you did come back thinking that the surge is starting to work and making progress. Give me one or two key points to make your case on that Bill.
KRISTOL: Well there's no question that security is better in much of the country and there is no question that from the ground up, there's political progress. The flip in Anbar Province where the Sunni tribes have joined us and have basically expelled al-Qaeda, from what was their stronghold, is impressive. We're defeating al-Qaeda. The Shi'ite militia are a bigger problem. The national political situation is a big problem. But it can only be addressed as security continues to improve. And as the NIE released yesterday says, it can't be addressed, the political situation, if we start to withdraw.
LAUER: Well, and that's true. And I want to talk about this National Intelligence Estimate and I want to start by saying, because I think you are very right to point out they say: we can see more chaos if we pull troops out now. But they do seem to differ with you on a couple of key points. Very little hope for reconciliation among the feuding factions within Iraq. Overall violence remains at a very high level. The Iraqi government will become more precarious over the next 6 to 12 months. They say that Iraqi political leaders remain unable to govern effectively. And they say al-Qaeda in Iraq retains the ability to conduct high-profile attacks. Are they looking at the same country that you just saw?
KRISTOL: Sure. They say they al-Qaeda is weaker than it was. The national political leadership is really challenged. If we can provide continued increased security, they will have to step up to the plate. But the only way to get them to improve, maybe Maliki will be removed by the parliamentary, in the parliamentary system that Iraq has. But the only way that we can have a peaceful transition over there and actually achieve political progress is by continuing to provide more security. I think that's what the National Intelligence Estimate says.
LAUER: But I mean it paints a much more pessimistic picture than you just painted for me.
KRISTOL: I don't agree with that. People should read the estimate. It's a 4-page summary of declassified findings. And frankly, the reporting on it has been misleading. People can go online and read the estimate for themselves. I urge them to do so.
LAUER: So you think most people if they read the entire estimate they're going to come away thinking things are going better in Iraq?
KRISTOL: Things are going better enough that we should sustain the current strategy which is working. Look at everyone's predictions in January: Oh the surge, how ridiculous, you can't improve security. Anbar Province, that was supposed to be lost. You can't get the Sunnis to cooperate. Parts of Baghdad that were in terrible shape, you can't improve the situation there. It is improving. No one really doubts that. Is it improving fast enough? We can debate that, but I think the President has an awfully strong case to say give me 6 more months. Basically continue Patraeus's strategy, let's see where we are in the spring.
LAUER: Bill Kristol. Bill thanks for your time this morning.
KRISTOL: My pleasure Matt.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





ANDREA MITCHELL: Good morning Matt. It could be a triple dose of bad news for the President's Iraq strategy. Today's Los Angeles Times says the outgoing Chairman, Peter Pace, may recommend a major troop cut in Iraq next year because the military is so strained. This on top of a grim forecast from the nation's intelligence agencies and a major defection from the most authoritative Republican Senator on all things military. It is a sharp rebuke to the President, who has refused all calls for a timetable to get out. John Warner, the Senate's most influential Republican on the Armed Services Committee, and just back from Baghdad, says the President should order at least 5,000 troops home by Christmas.
SOLDIER IN PARODY: Hey parliament, I wish you were here. No seriously, I really wish you were here.















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It's hard to shake assumptions, isn't it?
August 25, 2007 - 05:40 ET by KC MulvillePut yourself in Bush's shoes. You have three competing forces, each trying to pull the result in their direction. Imagine three people coming into your office, each representing a different point of view.
Would you describe those three meetings as 'undercutting' Bush's strategy? Seems to me that these competing forces are all properly trying to guide the president. If these three people are correct, then we have to make a realistic guess on [how long our resources will hold out] versus [how long the successful strategy requires]. Second, is there a way we can extend our resources, or shorten the timeframe for success? Will pressure on Maliki speed things along?
Like I say, these decisions are why we give presidents free housing. The media is presenting this as Bush being attacked on all sides, but this is normal presidency. This is why we pay them.
Good points, KC. Perhaps
August 25, 2007 - 09:06 ET by BlondeGood points, KC.
Perhaps the fact that Robert Gates chose not to re-nominate General Pace (a collosal error, IMO) has quite a bit to do with your second point. I don't think Donald Rumsfeld would have painted himself into the corner Gates has.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Can anybody post a link to
August 25, 2007 - 07:37 ET by bacher468Can anybody post a link to the NIE?
}}---> NIE
August 25, 2007 - 07:44 ET by Cool ArrowNo, it's not possible
~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~
I saw Kristol on Fox in the
August 25, 2007 - 08:38 ET by general companyI saw Kristol on Fox in the morning and was thinking how nice it would be if anti Fox folks could here what he was discussing. I am glad that NBC had him on, maybe sanity will finaly prevail. Although, any day now the Dems will start claiming they are the reason for all success in Iraq, just wait and see.
Correct
August 25, 2007 - 08:51 ET by allanfI agree, if things go well in Iraq, the Democrats will take credit for the successes. Those claims will be given credit and credibility by people like Lauer and Andrea Mitchell.
What a funny world we live in.
Anything can and will be held agianst you in the court of Lauer.
August 25, 2007 - 08:49 ET by CrashWhen will the Republicans learn to play as a team? It's like watching a boxer giving himself a black eye. What's worse, they seldom swing back against sissy punchers. It takes a pundit like Kristol to show that Conservatives have balls.
My fantasy response, "Troop withdrawl has been on the table since day one.
Unlike the assertion by most Democrats ... surrender has not. What part of 'surrender is not an option' don't you flakes understand?"
What Part of "First to Fight, Last to Leave" ...
August 25, 2007 - 09:08 ET by josephsamuelson... don't they understand?
Democrats and liberals have an underlying presumption that our troops and our Marines can't handle the job ... they are trying to make our military men and women into quitters.
OUR TROOPS DON'T QUIT ... THEY FINISH THE MISSION.
Unlike D-rats ...
August 25, 2007 - 09:16 ET by josephsamuelson... who would never even begin the mission.
"What part of 'surrender is
August 25, 2007 - 10:25 ET by JohnM"What part of 'surrender is not an option' don't you flakes understand?"
I think you're being a bit harsh on libs. It's not that they don't understand 'surrender is not an option', they don't HEAR it. In fact, they never heard "use of force" or "take a stand".
Their "World View" begins and ends with "Let's sit down and talk about this." And when nothing results, they shrug their shoulders and say "Well at least we tried."
To them, it's not about UNDERSTANDING the necessary use of force (they will never "get it"); it's about making a good show of "being concerned".
Don't expect blood from a turnip...
"[KRISTOL: I don't
August 25, 2007 - 09:53 ET by supercon"[KRISTOL: I don't agree with that. People should read the estimate. It's a 4-page summary of declassified findings. And frankly, the reporting on it has been misleading. People can go online and read the estimate for themselves. I urge them to do so.
LAUER: So you think most people if they read the entire estimate they're going to come away thinking things are going better in Iraq?"]
Sometimes I think Matt Lauer and Andrea Mitchell should be wearing purple hair and big floppy shoes because they are rather clownish sometimes.
When Bill Kristol suggested that some people might want to read the estimate first(four whole pages) he was talking about Matt and Andrea.I doubt either of them have read it and just heard a few snippets of it and filled in the rest.
I also liked the way that Andrea put words into Sen.Warner's mouth and used a few quotes from the report to back that up.
["MITCHELL: Warner says Iraq's government has failed the U.S. troops. Criticism that matches the new U.S. intelligence report, which says despite "uneven improvements in Iraq's security situation" since the surge began, "the level of overall violence remains high."]
That was some nice "fact making".
Lauer and Mitchell don't really care what the report said and they will continue to talk about Iraq in terms of failure.That silly clip they showed from Comedy Central proves my point.
Was that really necessary?
Victory in Iraq.
Newt for President.
The defection of Mr. Elizabeth Taylor
August 25, 2007 - 10:12 ET by ThalpyJohn Warner isn't much of a republican. He is as much of a republican as Arlen Specter; which isn't much. So, his defection from the war and from the President( Warner supported the Brady Bill, by the way) isn't much of a loss. Lauer and Mitchell simply take these perceived mutinies and go with them. The fact that Warner and Specter have been duds all along is not an issue with newspeople unless it serves their world view.
Come to the dark side Bill
August 25, 2007 - 10:26 ET by acumenLauer soon insisted: “It paints a much more pessimistic picture than you just painted for me.”
Another ray of sunshine deflected by the Doom-and-Gloom-R-Us crowd.
Hmmm. I may have just stumbled across a plan for reducing global warming - Suspend demedia journalists in the atmosphere to deflect the sun's rays. Oh Mr. Branson, paging Mr. Branson.....
Warner
August 25, 2007 - 10:53 ET by iveseenitallI agree. Guys like Warner just give ammunition to liberal, ignorant, biased nincompoops like Lauer and Mitchell. Combine the IQs of these two and it will still be less than half that of Bill Kristal. But even with that being true, what ever happened to "journalists" who do a little research before an interview? Obviously, neither Lauer nor Mitchell even read the report to which Bill was referring.What a shallow bunch inhabits our media these days. Modern "journalism" began with Peter Jennings, a high school dropout--scheeze!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
But I mean it paints a much
August 25, 2007 - 11:54 ET by PeskyDaneBut I mean it paints a much more pessimistic picture than you just painted for me.
You see what you want to see, Matt.
Redundant subject title
August 25, 2007 - 12:30 ET by BacchusJust watched this interview over at MSLSD. Kristol looked rather bored with Lauer's attacking tone of voice, unlike the constant grin he always has for whenever Jaun Williams spews his wisdom on Fox News Sunday. Body language adds lots to the context of an interview.
Answering to Lauer's limp-wristed list of negatives (aka, Mitchell's triple dose of bad news) wasn't the main purpose for Kristol's appearance on Today. He was speaking past Lauer, directly to the Today audience. Progress is clearly being made in Iraq and Lauer is misleading his own audience by failing to acknowledge it.
Failed Prophet
August 25, 2007 - 15:25 ET by takingmyconstitutionalThe astounding thing is that Kristol is still on TV talking about this war, considering his track record of bogus statements on the topic.
Lysol Alert
August 25, 2007 - 15:37 ET by BlondeDavid Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
and
August 25, 2007 - 15:42 ET bylight the matches
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Okay Noel ~ Where are the Pics?
August 25, 2007 - 15:45 ET by BlondeDavid Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
constitutional is a coward
August 25, 2007 - 15:46 ET by RJwho obviously cruises the left wing blogs for little bon mots he can steal and pretend are his own. He clearly lacks the confidence to stick around to defend himself or have an actual conversation/debate.
RJ,
August 25, 2007 - 15:52 ET by BlondeWell, since Noel seems to be otherwise occupied....
Here's a little rehash of TMC's last little droppings here....and the totally hillarious replies.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
tmc pontificates. "A
August 25, 2007 - 16:23 ET by MikeBtmc pontificates.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
As far as I can tell,
August 25, 2007 - 17:59 ET by hydrodynDMAs far as I can tell, takingmyconstitutional has never posted more than
one comment under any topic and has never responded to a post directed
at him.
Never.
Just throwing that out there.
Poor leftists are going to
August 26, 2007 - 02:33 ET by bigtimerPoor leftists are going to spin themselves silly before the election...
...they are going to be in real trouble with all their back-tracking and circle jerking before it is over.
Hillary has already been in over her head with her own words...far more to come too...we have only just begun...
The dem's are spinning and digging a hole so deep they won't know who to push in first or have anyone left to help them out....
Just us repub's to cover them up....heheheee
NIE
August 26, 2007 - 14:33 ET by unitaryexecutiveSome key quotes from the NIE that are not often heard:
"The Intelligence Community judges that the term "civil war" does not adequately capture the complexity of the conflict in Iraq, which includes extensive Shia-on-Shia violence, al-Qa’ida and Sunni insurgent attacks on Coalition forces, and widespread criminally motivated violence."
"Coalition capabilities, including force levels, resources, and operations, remain an essential stabilizing element in Iraq. If Coalition forces were withdrawn rapidly during the term of this Estimate, we judge that this almost certainly would lead to a significant increase in the scale and scope of sectarian conflict in Iraq, intensify Sunni resistance to the Iraqi Government, and have adverse consequences for national reconciliation."
"If such a rapid withdrawal were to take place, we judge that the ISF [Iraqi Security Forces] would be unlikely to survive as a non-sectarian national institution; neighboring countries—invited by Iraqi factions or unilaterally—might intervene openly in the conflict; massive civilian casualties and forced population displacement would be probable; AQI would attempt to use parts of the country—particularly al-Anbar province—to plan increased attacks in and outside of Iraq; and spiraling violence and political disarray in Iraq, along with Kurdish moves to control Kirkuk and strengthen autonomy, could prompt Turkey to launch a military incursion."
So we should probably leave as soon as possible. Right, Democrats?
Just Say It!
August 26, 2007 - 22:29 ET by dodecahedronI'm just waiting for the day when one of Lauer's (or Olbermann's, Matthews', Maher's, Stewart's, etc.) guests finally comes right out and says the words: "Those of you in the left-wing media have only been putting out information that supports your left-wing political agenda."
I'm glad Kristol tried to bring the truth to the Today show, but conservatives on that show tend to fall short of what we need for them to do. The Today show is where the truth goes to die.
Vote for "<insert name of conservative who stands up to the media>" for President in 2008.